| Well, I keep a running tab on Vol.1 Preliminary Sales chart myself. So I could just post it from time to time (without the bbcode url link though -- find it time-consuming to add ;-) Also, thanks for the kind words, Ejc :) |
symbvNov 12, 2013 8:29 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Well, I keep a running tab on Vol.1 Preliminary Sales chart myself. So I could just post it from time to time (without the bbcode url link though -- find it time-consuming to add ;-) That's great to hear :) Yeah, I know what you mean with the BBCode here. Even doing all those links in my profile took a while to do, haha. I'm sure there's a userscript around here somewhere that makes forum posting a bit closer to other forums in terms of BBCode (such as an editor, where you only need to click buttons to input urls and stuff instead of manually typing/copying and pasting all the code). |
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Setz206 said: It was not even in last week preliminary chart so there is no chance in the its second week of release it will appear on this week's chart.no kami nomi on those rankings makes me REALLY sad :( |
symbvNov 12, 2013 9:00 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
parfaited said: To me saying "Free is on top where it should be" is the same as if I were saying "I'm happy it's doing well." I fail to see any problem with that. About what I gain: a smile on my face that for once, a show I like is the first thing I see in a list. Am I not entitled to feel happy for a show (or in this case 2) I like? Do you want me to be depressed or something? Everything else just reads like hypocrisy and I'm not even sure about the gangsta rapper comment. Any English teacher will tell you those sentences do not in any way equate to the same meaning nor can you expect them to be interpreted as such. That goes beyond just being ambiguous and into the realm of being unable to communicate clearly what it is you are trying to say. So yeah there's your problem. Also no I don't want you to be depressed, I'd suggest taking time to think if your post is going to be interpreted properly, but then this is MAL so it probably won't help anyway even if you were to be crystal clear so I'd just say don't worry about it. You followed up which is better than most so I think we've come to terms here more or less. |
symbv said: A really sad truth.Setz206 said: It was not even in last week preliminary chart so there is no chance in the its second week of release it will appear on this week's chart.no kami nomi on those rankings makes me REALLY sad :( |
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NeoAnkara said: Well, it did show up last week in the full chart though. Check: symbv said: A really sad truth.Setz206 said: It was not even in last week preliminary chart so there is no chance in the its second week of release it will appear on this week's chart.no kami nomi on those rankings makes me REALLY sad :( http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=685955&show=120#msg26229275 |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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| So the best selling series of the year is a traditional style gar action series with no overt otaku pandering to speak of? That feels so pre-2006 but you know what I can live with that. First year in a long time I don't have to listen to Kyoani and or Shaft fans breaking off about this or that over sales as much. |
rederoin said: And KnK has been outside the top 500 for a while now, once again showing that its pretty much dead(<3k). Knk isn't as good as Free! In my personal opinion I fell in love with the characters as soon as I saw them in Free! and around its halfway point it actually started to get more interesting plot wise and it wasn't just "OMFG fanservice for females" or "OMFG yaoi". People actually started taking it seriously. xD Knk's plot/characters aren't very engaging its already half way through and I only care about that one guy who has a sister complex and the main guy. Meh which is a shame I love KyoAni anime and this one is just lacking in both in the character and plot development with only 5 episodes left. -__- @ topic: Also Hataraku Maou-Sama is another one of the best anime I have seen in a while I really hope they announce a second season to air in 2014 along with Free! Cause we all know KyoAni will make another season come summer since its a seasonal hit! Still wish that people would have bought more Watamote despite it being painfully embarrassing. xD My Neighbor Totoro is forever going to be on the charts its been there almost every week for the past year it feels like. |
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symbv said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: You basically sum up the appeals that I also read on Japanese forums (with the exception of how cute Akatsuki is or how cool Nyanta is). And I think there is good reason why the title has been getting better in Amazon ranking over time. As you said, the potential is there.I beg to differ. Sure, SAO's first episode was done well and made it easy to get into the series, but at episode 6 where we are now I could already feel the decline for SAO while Log Horizon is unfolding more and more potential each episode. The execution is just so much better than SAO in terms of doing the premise justice and also in terms of characters. It's not the same as SAO, it tries to do different things, it's not a survival game kind of show, so expectations needed some adjustment early on, but in the end what counts is how good a show does what it tries to do. And Log Horizon does fairly well in implementing game mechanics (also social mechanics of games) in a sort of semi s-o-l setting. Also the focus on teamwork and strategy instead of simply being an overpowered 'beater' with an emo attitude works wonders for my enjoyment. Well, their respective cute- and coolness is self evident ^^. I just hope it reflects in the sales and keeps getting more popular bit by bit. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Both the lack of "pandering" and lower production value is something you should always expect from a NHK anime. Another good thing about the show is that it spends far less time on pandering than other LN adaptions, be it from the current season or any other. The production value might not be as high and the first episode didn't have that much impact, but it was still good in it's own right and everything after that is just much more promising than SAO. Good to know, I'll try and remember that. |
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jmal said: Roloko said: My Neighbor Totoro is forever going to be on the charts its been there almost every week for the past year it feels like. It's been there almost every week for the past decade =P (Actually a lot of weeks it would have ranked but not been in the top 100 we see, but ever since the list became a more comprehensive Animation Top 30, it's almost never missed.) It'll reach 2.000.000 within the next 2 decades, if it goes on like this. Kinda interesting. It sure does good in the DVD sales department. |
rederoin said: I love how NNB just keeps its spot in the top 100, a really good sign. yes this, really glad to always see it in the top 100, it deserves it! |
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Roloko said: Still wish that people would have bought more Watamote despite it being painfully embarrassing. xD. It's kind of hard to sell a show to people when it pretty much outright makes fun of them and their hobby to a sometimes sobering degree. It takes a level of self-recognition and willingness to roll with the punches that I'm not sure modern otaku have. I mean this is a group that can't even take it's favorite seiyuu and idols having girlfriends so it was already a long shot something like Watamote being a sales hit. rederoin said: I love how NNB just keeps its spot in the top 100, a really good sign. And KnK has been outside the top 500 for a while now, once again showing that its pretty much dead(<3k). lol people really still think this. Considering it's already back in the top 100 for anime hours after airing I'd sooner predict it to be in the top 10 before the day is out. Still 7 weeks to go and plenty of time for a turnaround. It wouldn't take much, even an okay episode would probably trigger things at this point. It is kind of funny how it's flip flopping all over the place on Amazon's charts though. I mean is there any show this season with a weekly spread as large as Kyokai's stalker ranking? edit: Oh there was an event ticket. Okay that explains some things. |
PeacingOutNov 13, 2013 11:08 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I mean is there any show this season with a weekly spread as large as Kyokai's stalker ranking? Does Coppelion's nose dive count? Slightly worrying that that's looking like a mass cancellation from already painfully weak sales. |
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| Even the DVD for Kyokai no Kanata volume 1 is enjoying by far it's highest rank ever. Curious to see where all this plateaus but it's looking good for my predictions. Can it hit the top 25 potentially? I guess we'll see, but this show is ANYTHING but did. So what do the experts say again? 3,000-5,000 and no more? I guess we'll see in the end who is correct, the experts or the guy with the crazy conspiracy theories. By all rights it should be the experts. |
PeacingOutNov 13, 2013 1:22 PM
jmal said: "looking good for my predictions" - fucking dying from laughter here. Vague predictions made on a faulty premise, and a complete misunderstanding of the situation, which if it gets even remotely close will only be by complete accident as an unforeseen factor that in no way validates the core hypothesis (event ticket != hardcore fans rushing in to save the day) comes into play, and which will of course no longer apply after the first volume. Nostradamus reborn. True, I might have to start using Vol 2 as the yardstick now, which admittedly has not budged yet. |
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MajinSaga said: Yes, someone has to rip them and upload them...People still buy music cd's? :O But seriously, merch buyers like myself enjoy the physical media, the pictures, the lyrics, the quality above what iTunes sells. I carry the CDs I will listen to at work with me, I don't rip them and play them off a device. Why? Because I like to look at the artwork every time. This means I always try to buy the anime cover editions rather than the ones with the artist pictures. Those are nice too but 2D >> 3D... right? Same reason why Funimation/iTunes downloadable legal episodes aren't really of interest to me. Even if there is a digital cover art picture available it just doesn't feel the same if you're a real merch buyer. Just not the same... |
MajinSaga said: People still buy music cd's? :O I buy at least 1 every season unlike anime which I can go most of the year without buying a single volume. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Gar action? Hmm... I don't think Shingeki would ever be described as Gar in Japan. The art style is not gar for one. And pre-2006? Well, Pre-2006 you did not have so many female anime fans spending so much on this kind of genre. Oh wait,, perhaps not, it is actually similar to Gundam Seed (which is pre-2006) in attracting female fans. As for last time when an anime not made by either Shaft or KyoAni making no.1 bestseller of the year was 2008, and again it is because MacrossF managed to win over large number of female fans.So the best selling series of the year is a traditional style gar action series with no overt otaku pandering to speak of? That feels so pre-2006 but you know what I can live with that. First year in a long time I don't have to listen to Kyoani and or Shaft fans breaking off about this or that over sales as much. Kaioshin_Sama said: You are simplifying things too much. Not every otaku cares about seiyuu getting married, but there is a very vocal minority that make all the noise, and many of them care more about seiyuu than anime (and thus despised by most anime fans/otaku). And idols are just something altogether different grouping - idol otaku and anime otaku overlap only to a small extent. It is true that a lot of watchers do not feel like watching those masochist and self-deprecating jokes so much they want to buy the discs, but this does not mean they don't like the anime as a whole, just not so attached to it that they want to spend the (no small amount of) money to buy the discs. It's kind of hard to sell a show to people when it pretty much outright makes fun of them and their hobby to a sometimes sobering degree. It takes a level of self-recognition and willingness to roll with the punches that I'm not sure modern otaku have. I mean this is a group that can't even take it's favorite seiyuu and idols having girlfriends so it was already a long shot something like Watamote being a sales hit.. |
symbvNov 13, 2013 11:12 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
kuuurt said: Free is BEST!>Free! on top of the BD rankings Someone call Hiryu. This is big news for him. I'm glad the Op of Kyoukai ni Kanata is doing quite well. I wonder how the ED will do since I already heard a full version in YouTube. |
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EjcNov 17, 2013 4:00 AM
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Ejc said: Oricon Daily All-Genre Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for Nov 13. DVD *11 *12 *13 *14 *15 *16 *17 週 **3 *15 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | Free！3 *18 *25 *26 *** *** *** *** | -- | Crayon Shin-chan Movie 21 *24 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Tonari no Totoro *30 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 12 BD *11 *12 *13 *14 *15 *16 *17 週 **1 *11 **8 *** *** *** *** | -- | Free！3 *10 *** *13 *** *** *** *** | -- | Madoka Movies Limited Edition **6 *15 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Hataraku Maou-sama！5 **5 *16 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | SymphogearG 2 *14 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Shingeki 4 *16 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Infinite Stratos 2 1 This looks like it'll be a nice week, just look at all those new releases! |
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symbv said: As for last time when an anime not made by either Shaft or KyoAni making no.1 bestseller of the year was 2008, and again it is because MacrossF managed to win over large number of female fans. That sounds incredibly unhealthy for the industry. No wonder things are the way they are my god. Well hopefully this is one year when I finally don't have to listen to their fans arrogance as much. It just can't be that easy for two companies to pander like this and get instant results and so hard for others to generate any profit regardless of what they try and yield a sustainable industry, it just can't. It's funny that you mention 2008 though cause that felt like the last time I was really enjoying anime to it's fullest and things just felt....right to me somehow. A lot has clearly changed since then, some for the better but a lot for the worse. Although now that I think of it Gundam Unicorn has probably had the number 1 overall release since 2009 so it can't be that awful a record can it. Well apparently it can as yet again the trend continues and the awful Kyokai no Kanata achieves it's highest position ever for the 3rd week in a row. I know it's probably the even ticket but still. Anyway symbv, in all honesty dude I really could not care a hint less whatever the heck Japan thinks about Shingeki. I consider it gar, that's what matters to me and Japan is welcome to it's opinions as always, but yeah I think Japan in general has awful taste in it's own product so their opinion means jack shit to me right now. |
PeacingOutNov 14, 2013 9:37 AM
| If you're limiting yourself to the single top seller of the year, then it isn't really even two companies - it's one. With Bake/Nisemonogatari and Madoka, Shaft has had the top seller in 3 of the last 4 years. To get back to KyoAni's second one, you have to give Sunrise two as well. (2013 so far - WIT) 2012 - shaft 2011 - shaft 2010 - kyoani 2009 - shaft 2008 - satelite 2007 - sunrise 2006 - sunrise 2005 - kyoani (data from jmal's thread on mania) Although, of course, who gets the single best seller of the year doesn't actually mean all that much in and of itself. |
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scytheavatar said: What show did you watch? The last 2 episodes were all fighting and blood, save for the last 3 or so minutes where it was just a character talking to a bunch of governmental guysKaioshin_Sama said: So the best selling series of the year is a traditional style gar action series with no overt otaku pandering to speak of? That feels so pre-2006 but you know what I can live with that. First year in a long time I don't have to listen to Kyoani and or Shaft fans breaking off about this or that over sales as much. AoT pandered to Fujoshis, haven't you seen the last 2 episodes? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
scytheavatar said: Kaioshin_Sama said: symbv said: As for last time when an anime not made by either Shaft or KyoAni making no.1 bestseller of the year was 2008, and again it is because MacrossF managed to win over large number of female fans. That sounds incredibly unhealthy for the industry. No wonder things are the way they are my god. Well hopefully this is one year when I don't have to listen to their arrogance as much. It just can't be that easy for two companies and so hard for others and yield a sustainable industry, it just can't. http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=111958 It's really just SHAFT dominating with Monogatari and Madoka, Kyoani only topped 2010 with K-On!! in a year that didn't have a SHAFT juggernaut. You are crazy to think that companies need to hit the SHAFT/Kyoani numbers to have a "sustainable industry", the industry is in way better shape currently than it is in the mid 00's. This year already have 11 titles having >10K average sales, equal to last year, and there'll be a few more added to that list. Compare that to 2006 with 7 titles having >10k sales. Also be prepared to be disappointed, because there's a decent chance of Monogatari exceeding SnK. Some of the later volumes are predicted to sell crazy amount of copies. Oh probably. Sucks that I find Monogatari absolutely wretchedly awful and that it and it's fanbase represent everything I find wrong with anime and the community these days in a nutshell. It's hyper-concentrated though so no wonder it's popular and an easy seller. Also no wonder SHAFT fans are so damn arrogant at this rate, they haven't had to deal with what they fanboy over having anything close to approaching a financial failure so feel content to throw it in everybody's face all the time, brag and live vicariously through those numbers and everybody is so damn fanboyish about Monogatari they can basically just circle jerk all day long and gang up on anybody that is critical of what they enjoy and get them banned or ostracized from threads. I feel physically sick right now. The two companies I find have the least desirable most cynically pandering output imaginable pretty much dictate what is to be popular and what sells at this point. Not looking good for my future as a fan of this stuff. kuuderes_shadow said: Although, of course, who gets the single best seller of the year doesn't actually mean all that much in and of itself. Oh trust me it does to diehard Kyoani and Shaft fanboys. It's extremely important to them and they love going on and on and on and on about it and trying to throw it in everyones face. It's not so much the content itself (I mean they look like total asshats doing it and at the end of the day who really cares besides them right?) as they never shut up about it, start thread shitting over it and it ruins otherwise good threads. |
PeacingOutNov 14, 2013 10:07 AM
| Kaioshin ruined his streak on not talking about SHAFT or Monogatari :/ |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Oh trust me it does to diehard Kyoani and Shaft fanboys. It's extremely important to them and they love going on and on and on and on about it and trying to throw it in everyones face. It's not so much the content itself (I mean they look like total asshats doing it and at the end of the day who really cares besides them right?) as they never shut up about it, start thread shitting over it and it ruins otherwise good threads. No, it really doesn't matter to them either. At least to the KyoAni fans. Otherwise why would people not be shouting out about Air all the time? It's Clannad's 2 seasons, Haruhi season 1 + movie and K-on in general (and not season 2 in particular) that get the love - followed in the past by lucky star, although all the stats suggest that people are gradually forgetting about that. Sure K-on!'s movie was sort of record breaking, which gets brought up occasionally, but even that looks like it will fall to the 3rd Madoka film. If anything with KyoAni stuff it's the number of high sellers they've had (mixed in with a few that were less successful or outright bombed), and certainly not the rankings of those series in their respective seasons/years that get the comments. Shaft, on the other hand, are sort of the opposite. They've had a lot of series that really didn't sell well at all, and in amongst the mass of failures, there's been just two beacons of success. It's fairly safe to say that "shaft fanboys", as you like to call them, have an influence on sales figures of approximately zero. Instead you have just those two mega-hit franchises, that basically keep shaft in a comfortable enough position to not mind if they throw out a dozen or so flops. And if you look at these two series, the fact that it was shaft doing the animation really doesn't factor into it much - the people are fans of the series themselves more than the studio. The monogatari series was a bestseller before shaft ever touched it. And Madoka would sell well from any half-decent animation studio. |
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rederoin said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Oh probably. Sucks that I find Monogatari absolutely wretchedly awful . So that explains why you keep picking up the new monogatari seasons even though you dropped the previous seasons, it all makes sense now. I like to keep some tabs on what the community seems to feel is the absolute pinnacle of anime at any given point in order to form my own opinion. Sometimes I actually find decent shows like Madoka or Haruhi Season 1, other times I get Monogatari where I cannot for the life of me understand how people think it's a masterpiece let alone tolerable. I've actually made several attempts to finish Bakemonogatari for sheer reference on what it's content is about but just cannot push through it. I've been able to push through tons of series I find subpar in quality or even outright bad at times so that I have a comparative standard of what I find awful in anime, but that one eludes me in just being so revoltingly pandering with it's setups, featuring awful excuses for characters engaging in droll conversations, awkward and unnecessary jump cuts that break up tension and/or tone and just a whole bunch of other things that lead to a complete loss of attention and the realization that I can no longer follow or care in the slightest about what's going on. and to some degree admittedly it fascinates me. How can something so reprehensibly bad in my eyes be this popular. It's like a new frontier almost. As for the sequels, well I try a sample of any show with a decent budget at the start of a season and Monogatari often airs in seasons where I have a lot of free spots in my playlist cause there's just little else I find good on (I wonder if that's done that way on purpose by the producers by the way). I basically just follow each one until it becomes completely unwatchable to me just to see where what much of the community considers the pinnacle of anime is at at any given point and what I can learn about it and their tastes by watching it. I keep hoping too that maybe one day, even if I don't agree I can at least grasp what it is people see in it too. But yeah you got me, it's meant to be anything but a truly enjoyable experience for me. kuuderes_shadow said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Oh trust me it does to diehard Kyoani and Shaft fanboys. It's extremely important to them and they love going on and on and on and on about it and trying to throw it in everyones face. It's not so much the content itself (I mean they look like total asshats doing it and at the end of the day who really cares besides them right?) as they never shut up about it, start thread shitting over it and it ruins otherwise good threads. No, it really doesn't matter to them either. At least to the KyoAni fans. Otherwise why would people not be shouting out about Air all the time? It's Clannad's 2 seasons, Haruhi season 1 + movie and K-on in general (and not season 2 in particular) that get the love - followed in the past by lucky star, although all the stats suggest that people are gradually forgetting about that. Sure K-on!'s movie was sort of record breaking, which gets brought up occasionally, but even that looks like it will fall to the 3rd Madoka film. If anything with KyoAni stuff it's the number of high sellers they've had (mixed in with a few that were less successful or outright bombed), and certainly not the rankings of those series in their respective seasons/years that get the comments. Shaft, on the other hand, are sort of the opposite. They've had a lot of series that really didn't sell well at all, and in amongst the mass of failures, there's been just two beacons of success. It's fairly safe to say that "shaft fanboys", as you like to call them, have an influence on sales figures of approximately zero. Instead you have just those two mega-hit franchises, that basically keep shaft in a comfortable enough position to not mind if they throw out a dozen or so flops. And if you look at these two series, the fact that it was shaft doing the animation really doesn't factor into it much - the people are fans of the series themselves more than the studio. The monogatari series was a bestseller before shaft ever touched it. And Madoka would sell well from any half-decent animation studio. Repeat what you just said to Shaft and Kyoani fans because I actually agree with you. There's needs to be less of "only Shaft could do x" or "only Kyoani has the talent to do y" in discussions about them because a lot of the time I think it's the farthest thing from the truth. |
PeacingOutNov 14, 2013 10:27 AM
| >Monogatari/Madoka fanboys = Shaft fanboys Your delusions are getting really pathetic. People calling themselves Shaft fans don't do it because of Madoka/Monogatari. They do it because of SZS, Arakawa, ef, Natsu no Arashi, Denpa Onna, Hidamari, MariaHolic, Paniponi Dash and others. Shaft has TWO 10k selling franchises in this century. TWO. That's nothing compared to Sunrise which has six. Or to be exact, seven, because 00 and SEED aren't really the same show. Sure, they have top seller possibly 4 years out of last 5 but it's just two different anime and sequels (I'm still not sure if SnK will have better average than Monogatari 2nd, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Neko was the worst selling arc). Rest of Shaft's shows are between 500 and 10000. Really, nothing exceptional. |
ProgeuszNov 14, 2013 10:43 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I've actually made several attempts to finish Bakemonogatari I can't fucking believe this, you mean all the time you were bitching about Monogatari you didn't even finish one installment of the Monogatari series? Jesus, no wonder your ''criticism'' was vague and empty as hell. Kaioshin_Sama said: SHAFT/MONOGATARI FANBOY I would love if one day you actually proved that those are the majority of the fanbase and how they are and I quote ''it's fanbase represent everything I find wrong with anime and the community these days in a nutshell.'' |
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