Log Horizon
| After watching the first episode it is obvious that the setting is pretty much the same as SAO. Though the same, I highly doubt Log Horizon would become a huge hit and has an extreme fan base with SAO's 'way'.. Why did I came up with that? From what I've seen so far the character designs, scenery are not as neat as what SAO had. It feels like the characters were not in a game and feels like a shounen-magic typed world anime. The interface looks really messed if you don't understand Japanese writings and knowing this the first thing that strike me is that it actually looks like Chinese scribble. Basically, the game doesn't look as tempting as SAO for anime watching gamer's. Secondly, it is probably no secret that Asuna and Kirito is one of the main reason the anime sells. Log Horizon differs from that, they don't have a 'Gary Stu' based character(that some people like to call) with a lazy-i'll protect you personality that gets a lot of girls with a badass design, but with a more clever and probably something along the lines of Lelouch-typed characters. Also, the main Heroine(Akatsuki?), though it's a huge insult if she didn't have a huge fan base, it feels like Akatsuki x Shiroe paring is kinda strange. What I mean't by SAO's 'way' is that, I'm sure everything will develop over time but what I'm saying is this anime has potential to be something like Code Geass with clever strategy and mind blowing plot instead of what SAO did, a bit of harem, eye-candy characters, an unusual but a very tempting love story that most fanboys/girls would dream to have, and not to mention the badass graphics etc. So all in all Log Horizon have potential to be in the top 300 but not how SAO did it, but, like I said with a bit of mind blowing plot twists(since it is Shounen after all), a proper back story and character development and gets the majority of watchers not to hate it and rate the show for what it really is(3 for the haters and 10 for fanboys... Guess I'm in the latter). And another thing that can boost this anime is that the hype from SAO is still there so I'm pretty certain there's a huge amount of SAO lovers who will watch this anime as a temporary replacement thus giving it a chance to become a huge hit. What do you think? |
| they share similarities its just this one isnt as serious so far and the guy who wrote it actually seems like hes played mmo's before while sao's guy seems like he only had a basic understanding of it scytheavatar said: As far as in the West goes, SAO became popular because it looked to be darker and more realistic than your typical moe moe crap. i doubt more than a handful of people did this, especially tha tmoe part cause youd have to know literally nothing about the show to be surprised that it had that |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| The Log Horizon novels were written before SAO came out as an anime. Log Horizon is better than SAO because the MC isnt crying about how scared he is. People who want every anime to be a giant masochistic shitstorm where the MCs are crying and afraid for their life should stop breathing. |
scytheavatar said: As far as in the West goes, SAO became popular because it looked to be darker and more realistic than your typical moe moe crap. The art says different. |
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mitch3315 said: he also seems to think sao was seen as a dissapointment by everyone who watched it, us sao naysayers are just a very vocal minority, so many people think its the 2nd coming of christscytheavatar said: As far as in the West goes, SAO became popular because it looked to be darker and more realistic than your typical moe moe crap. The art says different. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| MAL would be a better place if we don't have people being sensitive over comparisons. Anyway, I liked SAO a lot but I don't say we can judge Log Horizon from one episode just yet. The premise is similar, but from what I see Log Horizon might be taking on a more MMORPG style. Then and again, SAO had indications of MMORPG style before time skips and moving on to a main plot. I also do not expect clear indication and development of romance unlike SAO. I wouldn't compare Log Horizon to SAO to destroy or enhance my own enjoyment and would prefer to enjoy it on its own. SAO 1st episode was certainly more promising IMO, but I feel that Log Horizon is a show with potential once we can see beyond a 'ripoff' or 'lame version' of SAO. |
| I think the major problem with all of these comparisons is that people are expecting way too much out of something that probably had no intention of attempting to be a big hit. Beyond the basic framework for the setting/synopsis, Log Horizon has no real resemblance to SAO. And comparing it to Code Geass is far fetched, since Lelouch didn't invent strategy. I mean, I've been waiting for the "Will White Album 2 be K-On done right?" threads, but apparently they haven't sprung up yet. I'm just watching Log for what it is, and if I notice similarities I'll take note of them but it's not trying to be SAO 2.0 or Code Horizon so I won't judge it based on that. |
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Shinseiryuu said: MAL would be a better place if we don't have people being sensitive over comparisons. Anyway, I liked SAO a lot but I don't say we can judge Log Horizon from one episode just yet. The premise is similar, but from what I see Log Horizon might be taking on a more MMORPG style. Then and again, SAO had indications of MMORPG style before time skips and moving on to a main plot. I also do not expect clear indication and development of romance unlike SAO. I wouldn't compare Log Horizon to SAO to destroy or enhance my own enjoyment and would prefer to enjoy it on its own. SAO 1st episode was certainly more promising IMO, but I feel that Log Horizon is a show with potential once we can see beyond a 'ripoff' or 'lame version' of SAO. Thank you for actually understanding. Gosh, talk anything about SAO and somebody just had to start a ruckus. Anyways OT: A lot of people has been saying that SAOs first episode was better and we already saw what it turns out into. Pretty sure this one will develop into something more intense given the characters in the opening. Wouldn't be surprised if they actually stop comparing both anime as time goes on. |
| Both series are based on Novels that are out and can be freely read by anyone who can read japanese. Why do people act like the story isnt out there to be seen? Log Horizon features an MMO. SAO features people in Medieval Europe if it was a giant castle. |
| Log Horizon and SAO are two different anime..comparing the two is just stupid. |
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gotmessed101 said: Log Horizon and SAO are two different anime..comparing the two is just stupid. Tell that to the dozens of people out there that are comparing them just because the synopsis and setting is really f*cking similar, though I couldn't blame them since I was too, influenced to watch this because of that. I realized they are both different just by watching the opening and the first episode confirmed it. |
| I don't think there's anything stupid or wrong with comparing SAO or Log Horizon. Top anime are often used as benchmarks when comparing the qualities of other anime. An anime is sad? Often scenes from Clannad: After Story is used as a comparison to measure the degree of 'sadness' in an anime. However, judging an anime purely because the two anime share a similar premise is stupid. It's just not right to rule something off as a ripoff if you haven't even seen what the show has to offer. That's the main problem I have with people who avoid Log Horizon because 'it's an SAO clone'. Similarly, it's also a little premature to think Log Horizon is a better show than SAO in one episode simply because you didn't like SAO and anything should be better than that. It's plain disrespect to Log Horizon as you're comparing all its qualities to an anime that might not even be similar. |
| Log Horizon did have a kind of boring start, but the characters were left to figure out their situation instead of being told what's going on and what to do. SAO isn't as great as you make it out to be(the first half was pretty enjoyable though), that shitty second half pissed a lot of people off. If Log Horizon doesn't have a second half or go to shit then it'll already be better than SAO. It's too early to judge SAO vs. Log Horizon because the only thing that's similar so far is the premise. |
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| Log Horizon is based on books that were made before SAO Anime came out. It isn't a rip off. That said, I can say one thing for sure. The art in log horizon sucks. |
MEanimaniac1 said: If Log Horizon doesn't have a second half or go to shit then it'll already be better than SAO. It's too early to judge SAO vs. Log Horizon because the only thing that's similar so far is the premise. Contradiction |
Shinseiryuu said: MEanimaniac1 said: If Log Horizon doesn't have a second half or go to shit then it'll already be better than SAO. It's too early to judge SAO vs. Log Horizon because the only thing that's similar so far is the premise. Contradiction I contradict myself a lot. |
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Crassa said: Thats what I did.. its not directed to you. Anyway the two have similarities but that doesn't mean they are the same.gotmessed101 said: Log Horizon and SAO are two different anime..comparing the two is just stupid. Tell that to the dozens of people out there that are comparing them just because the synopsis and setting is really f*cking similar, though I couldn't blame them since I was too, influenced to watch this because of that. I realized they are both different just by watching the opening and the first episode confirmed it. |
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| If you think that SAO and Log Horizon shouldn't be compared then you're wrong. Don't pretend like they have nothing in common because it just makes you look like an idiot. |
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LevailRenn said: So if two anime have something in common they should me compared?? That would only lead to expectation...and later (maybe)disappointment.If you think that SAO and Log Horizon shouldn't be compared then you're wrong. Don't pretend like they have nothing in common because it just makes you look like an idiot. |
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| Oh please if you cant compare Sao to Log Horizon than you cant compare anything. The premise isnt even similar its identical, and so far the first episode has no big difference to SAOos first ep, except the last 3 min of SAO with the game creator announcing shits gonna happen. |
baki502 said: Its not that you can't. Actually you can..but you shouldn't.Oh please if you cant compare Sao to Log Horizon than you cant compare anything. The premise isnt even similar its identical, and so far the first episode has no big difference to SAOos first ep, except the last 3 min of SAO with the game creator announcing shits gonna happen. |
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gotmessed101 said: baki502 said: Its not that you can't. Actually you can..but you shouldn't.Oh please if you cant compare Sao to Log Horizon than you cant compare anything. The premise isnt even similar its identical, and so far the first episode has no big difference to SAOos first ep, except the last 3 min of SAO with the game creator announcing shits gonna happen. Why shouldn't we compare shows that are similar? |
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| the similarity of the two is that you can't log out |
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mitch3315 said: Like I said if you compare Log Horizon to SAO it might lead you to expect very good things on Log Horizon since SAO was very good (as said by the majority of MAL users)...in short your view of the two would become biased. Well its not like I'm ordering y'all not to compare them.gotmessed101 said: baki502 said: Its not that you can't. Actually you can..but you shouldn't.Oh please if you cant compare Sao to Log Horizon than you cant compare anything. The premise isnt even similar its identical, and so far the first episode has no big difference to SAOos first ep, except the last 3 min of SAO with the game creator announcing shits gonna happen. Why shouldn't we compare shows that are similar? |
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gotmessed101 said: mitch3315 said: Like I said if you compare Log Horizon to SAO it might lead you to expect very good things on Log Horizon since SAO was very good (as said by the majority of MAL users)...in short your view of the two would become biased. Well its not like I'm ordering y'all not to compare them.gotmessed101 said: Why shouldn't we compare shows that are similar? That's judging how good Log Horizon will be based on how good you think SAO was. That is not the same as comparing which show does certain aspects better. |
AversaOct 7, 2013 7:21 AM
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mitch3315 said: Comparing the two on which does certain aspects better would still be biased depending on that person's view of SAO.. Why would you guys want to compare them anyway?? Log Horizon isn't even done yet.gotmessed101 said: mitch3315 said: Like I said if you compare Log Horizon to SAO it might lead you to expect very good things on Log Horizon since SAO was very good (as said by the majority of MAL users)...in short your view of the two would become biased. Well its not like I'm ordering y'all not to compare them.Why shouldn't we compare shows that are similar? That's judging how good Log Horizon will be based on how good you think SAO was. That is not the same as comparing which show does certain aspects better. |
AversaOct 7, 2013 7:20 AM
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| There aren't many anime (or manga for that matter) whose plot takes place in an MMORPG. Which is probably why people are exited and want to compare them. Just let them. OT: I'm pretty glad Log Horizon seems to be different, except for the premise. It seems to be focusing more on group fights and guilds than solo adventuring which is a good thing. I have high hopes for the different areas in the game although from the first episode it looks like it will be all city and forest area. I hope not. |
gotmessed101 said: mitch3315 said: Comparing the two on which does certain aspects better would still be biased depending on that person's view of SAO.. Why would you guys want to compare them anyway?? Log Horizon isn't even done yet.gotmessed101 said: That's judging how good Log Horizon will be based on how good you think SAO was. That is not the same as comparing which show does certain aspects better. Competition is in human nature, we like comparing ourselves and others (also things). It is fun to compare and I like seeing and finding the differences, and discussing them. Its something very natural and the anime community here on MAL seem to be the only ones who are so strictly against comparing anime with each other. |
AversaOct 7, 2013 7:19 AM
| Thread moved Thread moved from the anime board to the Log Horizon board. Please refrain from quote chaining, if you quote on a post with more then 3 quotes please delete the first few quotes or use a spoiler button. There is no reason to post the same comment over and over again. |
| .....This thread is pointless . Maybe this anime cannot surpass SAO in term of Popular but at least it will better in story ,character and setting |
SolviteSekai said: The Log Horizon novels were written before SAO came out as an anime. Irrelevant, SAO first came out as a webnovel in 2002. In any case, comparing these two only because they both use "Trapped in a game" is bullshit. You're comparing apples to potatoes here. - You respawn in Log Horizon. You die in SAO. - The MC is calm and collected, he also relies on strategy and he's a mage (which is exactly the opposite of being a swordsman). Kirito is a swordsman, he thinks then acts but not every time, to me it looks like Kirito would start a war cry even when doing homework - One relies on comedy and action, the other relies on drama and romance. Similarities: - Trapped in a game - Oh look, it's an MMO. Herp derp, why didn't they use a single player game guiz, they're copying each other. |
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| This is a response to your first half: Jesus, just because it takes place in an MMORPG setting doesn't make it the same. I've read books from Scholastic in elementary school that took the whole VR game setting. Three things made SAO popular, the MMORPG setting, the art/animation and the LN fans. The LN fans created the hype, the 'if you die in game you die in life' thing gave it more excitement(until the second arc) and finally, the art and animation being how good it was carried it. I've had friends tell me SAO was so great just because it looked good and while it does have superior art/animation, it doesn't mean LH has terrible art either, it's actually not bad. Kirito and Asuna on the other hand, aren't exactly the best characters either. The romance was mediocre and so were they, in fact, I'd say that Klein was a better character.(At least until they actually 'developed a bit more') The characters in LH are different and so are the roles, worlds, setting, etc. and so far the first episode hugely differentiated from SAO's first episode, which captured you with the "Oh my God, we're trapped and could die!" In Log Horizon, no one is answering the question of what's going on so far, by the looks of it, the players have to find out themselves. I'm also going to scoff at you for saying that the game elements it had are nowhere near SAO's level and doesn't seem like a game. LH, has shown more game like attributes in that one episode then SAO did in the whole series. We've already seen the UI, guilds, combat system, 'in-game voice chat', maps, teleporters and they even added that little sound when a monster dies and drops loot. We've got different classes, abilities and from the PV mounts as well. What SAO did was introduce you to the game-world, but after that treated the rest of the show like a fantasy anime, when realistically it was a fantasy game, not an actual world. They touched back on a few things dealing with the game of course, but not to the extent of what it should have been. I agree with you on the rest though, if they do this right, it will most likely be all from a more group-oriented, strategic point of view and hopefully have a good plot along with some good-settle romance. SAO fans will probably be watching this, but to say if it will help in the end or not will differentiate. SAO is pretty controversial, people debate on it all the time, some saying it's the best anime ever, others saying it's utter crap. To say the least, there will definitely be people whom are just going to blindly love or hate this series, purely because of SAO. Finally, I doubt it will make it in the top, as you said, the amount of people watching this is nowhere near the amount SAO had. Anyways, that being said, we've only got one episode, but it's already set itself to try and be something else. If it will be able to do that throughout the series? We'll have to wait and see. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
| Claiming x is ripping off y just because they have a similar main story element means you'd consider K-ON a ripoff of Nana because they both involve a band as a main element. |
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| can i ask about SAO was there team work have like these |
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| no. kirito too op and gets the girls |
- I've always... always been watching you... This whole time... Because you were there... That's why I was able to try hard. So you could have some balance! So you wouldn't treat me like a kid! So you would see me as an actual girl! Even while you were gone... You were right here! You were right here in my heart! |
almozayaf said: can i ask about SAO was there team work have like these No teamwork . no strategy in battle . Only plot armor for Kirito |
Ignis_Scientia said: almozayaf said: can i ask about SAO was there team work have like these No teamwork . no strategy in battle . Only plot armor for Kirito Switching in SAO, I have no idea where you found the plot armor. |
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Immahnoob said: Ignis_Scientia said: almozayaf said: can i ask about SAO was there team work have like these No teamwork . no strategy in battle . Only plot armor for Kirito Switching in SAO, I have no idea where you found the plot armor. You can found after meet Silica |
| SAO was just a bad adaptation of a real mmorpg. I like this one better, LH has every elements which a mmorpg game should have: classes and subclasses, skills, good explanations. And even the elder tale's worlds are built with so much details, we will see in later episodes. |
Ignis_Scientia said: Immahnoob said: Ignis_Scientia said: almozayaf said: can i ask about SAO was there team work have like these No teamwork . no strategy in battle . Only plot armor for Kirito Switching in SAO, I have no idea where you found the plot armor. You can found after meet Silica That's called being higher level. In most MMORPGs level equals less damage from lower levels because of items and passive stats that increase per level. |
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| The anime made Kirito looks like he wears plot armor, but he was actually not in the novel. It was bad presentation, especially at the final battle between heathcliff and kirit. But yeah, kirit certainly has a plot armor which made him survived that long cause hes the main character. On the other hand, just stop comparing LH with SAO, they hardly have any similarities, only the mmorpg elements but different approaches. SAO -> more about solo player(kirit), story revolves around kirit and his harem team. LH -> more about teamworks, story is about every player and I really like their interactions, world's details, explanations, etc. I expect good things to come. |
Takana_no_HanaOct 12, 2013 9:59 AM
| There's no harem there, there's not even plot armor. You guys don't know your terms. |
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Immahnoob said: Ignis_Scientia said: Immahnoob said: Ignis_Scientia said: almozayaf said: can i ask about SAO was there team work have like these No teamwork . no strategy in battle . Only plot armor for Kirito Switching in SAO, I have no idea where you found the plot armor. You can found after meet Silica That's called being higher level. In most MMORPGs level equals less damage from lower levels because of items and passive stats that increase per level. Having Plot armor that is the reason why he has ridiculous Higher Level and unbalance skill Immahnoob said: There's no harem there, there's not even plot armor. You guys don't know your terms. Don't try to defend it . it too obvious . |
| "Plot armor" is when a character by sheer luck, survives something that should really be bad for the character, or simply falls short. There's no "luck" there, he was a beta player so he knew exactly where to go to level up. So yeah, you don't know your terms. Also, a harem is a group of three or more females that surround the character almost all the time, there's no actual need for them to be romantically involved. From what I can see, he never has three or more characters that are female that surround him, they all love him sure, but that's called a love triangle, or a love square, or a love pentagon. Learn your terms, thanks. |
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Immahnoob said: "Plot armor" is when a character by sheer luck, survives something that should really be bad for the character, or simply falls short. There's no "luck" there, he was a beta player so he knew exactly where to go to level up. So yeah, you don't know your terms. Also, a harem is a group of three or more females that surround the character almost all the time, there's no actual need for them to be romantically involved. From what I can see, he never has three or more characters that are female that surround him, they all love him sure, but that's called a love triangle, or a love square, or a love pentagon. Learn your terms, thanks. That was your own meaning, try to learn it from facts and the internet. Plot armor = kirito survived when he was stabbed to death but he still managed to kill heathcliff at the last minute thks to "will power". Ive read the novel as well and it was purely will power. harem: A genre in manga and anime where a single (often ordinary) guy is liked and followed by bunch of girls (3 or more) who are all madly in love with him. What do we have in SAO? suguha, sachi(not sure if the death counts), lizbeth, silica, asuna, shino, etc. Its like every female character was made just to fall in love with kirit. Although I like SAO but I only like the adventure aspect, not the whole harem team. Immahnoob said: there's no actual need for them to be romantically involved. Yes it does, they wouldnt call it harem if the girls hadn't fallen for him. Now learn it right, thanks. Or you should take a look at this side story. Please don't try to teach people your very wrong meanings. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online:There_is_but_one_ultimate_way |
Takana_no_HanaOct 12, 2013 8:43 PM
| ^ Immahnoob Isn't Kirito have too much luck .He get all the girl he meet after save them one times . There are many pro player out there and only him get the Dual blade , He survive the battle with Kayaba after his HP fall to zero . In ALO his old stat is carry to the game , Asuna drop a mini Card on the sky and he catch it , even Kayaba appear and give him admins control at the final battle. About Harem ,that is your own definition |
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