Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion Episode 1 Discussion

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Tavor said:

How so?

Because it's just one guy's interpretation of what happened...I could just as easily go around on the internet, research, and create a podcast about it...I'm sure some of it is truth, but at the same time I'm sure some of what was said can just as easily be false, unless it comes straight from the horses mouth, I don't buy it. That, and they could not possibly be that under budget if they were able to push the movie out barely a year after the series finished airing...it takes quite some time to animate a episode, never mind a movie.

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Because it's just one guy's interpretation of what happened...I could just as easily go around on the internet, research, and create a podcast about it...I'm sure some of it is truth, but at the same time I'm sure some of what was said can just as easily be false, unless it comes straight from the horses mouth, I don't buy it.

A lot of what really went behind the production of Evangelion were never made public. However, I would not say that it is "just one guy's interpretation of what happened" I was in Japan when Evangelion had its TV run and then the two movies. What the guy said in the video was indeed what went around among anime fans at that time and I do not see him exaggerating things in the video. The PTA incident indeed happened and of course the Sarin attack on underground took place when the TV series was being aired and there was backlash against violent expressions on public media. Even before the last 2 episodes fans already noticed the drop in animation quality in the series as it entered the second half. Much speculation was made about its cause: Budget constraint (too much was spent in the first half), staff inefficiency and time constraint, Anno's mental state (allegedly got better in time for the movies), or pressure from sponsors/TV station because of PTA incident or the Sarin attack etc etc. It could be any or even all of these reasons, I doubt we will ever get full confirmation by those involved, but one thing that is clear is that the original screenplay for the last 2 episodes had to dropped and replaced by what was shown at the end on TV. According to the booklet attached to the "Air" DVD:

第25話は、TV版制作中に書かれた第弐拾伍話の脚本をベースにしている。TV版第弐拾伍話「終わる世界」は制作期間等の問題もあり、最終話と同様の内的宇宙で展開されるドラマとなり、その脚本は使われる事はなかった。この第25話で、最初に予定されていたその内容が初めてかたちになったわけだ。

This Ep.25 is based on the screenplay written for the ep.25 in the TV production. The TV ep.25 "Owaru Sekai" had problems including production time issue and together with the last episode the story became a drama that took place in an internal world, and the original screenplay was not used. With this Ep.25, the story that was planned at the beginning was able to take shape for the first time.

Venom900 said:
That, and they could not possibly be that under budget if they were able to push the movie out barely a year after the series finished airing...it takes quite some time to animate a episode, never mind a movie.

As the guy said in the video, the popularity of the series shot up skywards after the end of the series, with sales of merchandise/game doing very very well. Gainax/Anno was thus able to get the sponsors to fund the movies (any budget issue during the TV production was something past by then). All happened very quickly but such was the interest on Evangelion at that time that both the interests of the sponsors and the staff in Gainax were all very much engaged, so they were able to make the first movie (where only one third or so was new footage) in one year and then the second movie (which constituted the new Ep.25 and 26) four months later. The fast work and high load of the staff during that 16 months or so was pretty well known.

symbvJun 5, 2013 10:35 AM

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

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symbv said:
I doubt we will ever get full confirmation by those involved, but one thing that is clear is that the original screenplay for the last 2 episodes had to dropped and replaced by what was shown at the end on TV. According to the booklet attached to the "Air" DVD:

第25話は、TV版制作中に書かれた第弐拾伍話の脚本をベースにしている。TV版第弐拾伍話「終わる世界」は制作期間等の問題もあり、最終話と同様の内的宇宙で展開されるドラマとなり、その脚本は使われる事はなかった。この第25話で、最初に予定されていたその内容が初めてかたちになったわけだ。

This Ep.25 is based on the screenplay written for the ep.25 in the TV production. The TV ep.25 "Owaru Sekai" had problems including production time issue and together with the last episode the story became a drama that took place in an internal world, and the original screenplay was not used. With this Ep.25, the story that was planned at the beginning was able to take shape for the first time.

Now that I'll believe because it's official, however production is different than budget, I would blame being understaffed/overworked more of the reason than budget

symbv said:

As the guy said in the video, the popularity of the series shot up skywards after the end of the series, with sales of merchandise/game doing very very well. Gainax/Anno was thus able to get the sponsors to fund the movies (any budget issue during the TV production was something past by then). All happened very quickly but such was the interest on Evangelion at that time that both the interests of the sponsors and the staff in Gainax were all very much engaged, so they were able to make the first movie (where only one third or so was new footage) in one year and then the second movie (which constituted the new Ep.25 and 26) four months later. The fast work and high load of the staff during that 16 months or so was pretty well known.

To have been released July of the following year, and to have made it within those time constraints the movie would have had to have been in production before the series ended, therefore they had to have had money to begin it all. Standard animated films (90 mins) generally take 3 years to make, but that also includes script writing, characters, and voice acting...all of which were pretty much prepared, so dock maybe a year and a half off and you have a year and 6 months. Being engaged and hard working is great and all, but you have to have money to pull it off and they had to have it to have started it...I don't see the possibility, at least not in the 1990s, to pump out an animated film that decent that fast, which is why I think understaffed sounds more like the real reason than under budget.

To be honest, it's been years...and whether or not the fanbase accepted what or what as truth doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the TV series is what we got, and the movie is what we got as a result, nothings really going to change no matter whose right or wrong about what really happened, because regardless of what happened behind the scenes, the TV series is what it is, regardless of what it was supposed to be.
Technically the movie series is what we got as a result of the TV series and the movie...so as far I can tell it's all opinion rather than fact.

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Venom900 said:
Now that I'll believe because it's official, however production is different than budget, I would blame being understaffed/overworked more of the reason than budget

If could be understaffed; it could be staff not working efficiently; it could be resource allocation not done well; it could be money resource constraint; it could be time constraint. The thing is we do not know enough details about what happened that caused the change in the last 2 episodes. We can believe what we choose to believe, but the bottom line is we cannot dismiss any of these factors as possible cause.

Venom900 said:
To have been released July of the following year, and to have made it within those time constraints the movie would have had to have been in production before the series ended, therefore they had to have had money to begin it all. Standard animated films (90 mins) generally take 3 years to make, but that also includes script writing, characters, and voice acting...all of which were pretty much prepared, so dock maybe a year and a half off and you have a year and 6 months. Being engaged and hard working is great and all, but you have to have money to pull it off and they had to have it to have started it...I don't see the possibility, at least not in the 1990s, to pump out an animated film that decent that fast, which is why I think understaffed sounds more like the real reason than under budget.

Well, the fact is IT CAN BE DONE. And anyway most of the money needed would not have come from Gainax itself but the sponsors, and the sponsors decided whether to go for such project by the reception in the market and tangible evidence that the project is good. Popularity after the TV series was aired was indeed very very high and merchandise (which were released during the TV series was broadcast) was very very good, so it was not surprising to see the money for the project was made available soon after the TV series finished.

Venom900 said:
Technically the movie series is what we got as a result of the TV series and the movie...so as far I can tell it's all opinion rather than fact.

Not sure what you are trying to say here, but between opinions and facts there are views that are based on facts and observations. If we base all our belief in only things that can be rigorously proven and confirmed as "fact" then I guess we may not be able to find too much thing to believe.

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Not sure what you are trying to say here

I'm saying exactly as it reads, its quite obvious to me when writers remake and change quite a bit of the original script they weren't happy with the way it went the first time...but as stated there's nothing official about it, so generally what I perceive as a universal truth, is recognized as an opinion by others. Much like some perceive the budget issue as universal truth, while I recognize it as an opinion. So, as a result of what happened with the TV series and the movie, the movie rebuild series was born, as said in the podcast Tavor used, the Gundam series did it with Zeta.

symbv said:
If we base all our belief in only things that can be rigorously proven and confirmed as "fact" then I guess we may not be able to find too much thing to believe.

There's a difference between proving something as fact like Science, and something that involves having nothing but belief as Religion.
Generally, people acknowledge Snicker doodle as the better tasting cookie than chocolate chip, but that can't be proven with truth at all, because people's tastes are different. Perhaps we're two different people, because if there is fact behind the opinion and facts can back up the opinion, then yes I will look for facts because why would one blindly follow an opinion they don't know much about...but could know a lot more about?

That may/may not have made any sense, but it doesn't really matter since it's digressing from the original topic. In any case, that's my opinion and that is all it is. Nobody has to accept other people's opinions as true or false, they just have to accept that everyone has one, and it may or may not be what you believe.

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I'm saying exactly as it reads, its quite obvious to me when writers remake and change quite a bit of the original script they weren't happy with the way it went the first time...but as stated there's nothing official about it, so generally what I perceive as a universal truth, is recognized as an opinion by others. Much like some perceive the budget issue as universal truth, while I recognize it as an opinion. So, as a result of what happened with the TV series and the movie, the move rebuild series was born, as said in the podcast Tavor used, the Gundam series did it with Zeta.

It is an odd way you use the term "universal truth" because as I said we don't know exactly the cause(s) and so it would be hard to argue as "universal truth", be it your "universal truth" or others' "universal truth" regarding why the two TV episodes were made that way.

Venom900 said:
There's a difference between proving something as fact like Science, and something that involves having nothing but belief as Religion.
Generally, people acknowledge Snicker doodle as the better tasting cookie than chocolate chip, but that can't be proven with truth at all, because people's tastes are different. Perhaps we're two different people, because if there is fact behind the opinion and facts can back up the opinion, then yes I will look for facts because why would one blindly follow an opinion they don't know much about...but could know a lot more about?

You just quote the three obvious examples: Science, Religion, Taste of cookies. What I am saying is that there are things that fall between something that can be rigorously proved, like Science, and something that is pure opinion, like Taste of Cookies. It all goes back to why you said what you said "so as far I can tell it's all opinion rather than fact". What facts you still need besides what was being said already? To the extent you said it is "all opinion"?

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It is an odd way you use the term "universal truth" because as I said we don't know exactly the cause(s) and so it would be hard to argue as "universal truth", be it your "universal truth" or others' "universal truth" regarding why the two TV episodes were made that way.

You're not exactly reading and understanding what I meant by universal truth, nor what I used it to describe. I didn't use it to describe the two episodes, you can read, it is stated about the movie series. What I meant by universal truth is something I perceive that everyone else generally understands, because i'm not the only one I know that understands what I mean, therefore I, like many others, take it for granted, so instead of simply calling it "truth" I call it "universal truth" because truth is something proven, while universal truth is something thought to be generally agreed upon, which is how most people use that word.

symbv said:
You just quote the three obvious examples: Science, Religion, Taste of cookies. What I am saying is that there are things that fall between something that can be rigorously proved, like Science, and something that is pure opinion, like Taste of Cookies. It all goes back to why you said what you said "so as far I can tell it's all opinion rather than fact".

Sometimes the best answers lie in the most obvious places. For you, it seems like it's going straight over your head.

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What facts you still need besides what was being said already? To the extent you said it is "all opinion"?

You confuse heresay with facts, that is why you don't understand what I'm saying. Facts aren't simply mouthed by someone near you, facts are things given directly from the source, ever heard of Telephone? (too obvious for you?) What you hear at the end of the line, is likely not to be the whole truth, rather only a small fraction of it.

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You're not exactly reading and understanding what I meant by universal truth, nor what I used to it describe. I didn't use it to describe the two episodes, you can read, it stated about the movie series. What I meant by universal truth is something I perceive that everyone else generally understands, because i'm not the only one I know that understands what I mean, therefore I, like many others, take it for granted, so instead of simply calling it "truth" I call it "universal truth" because truth is something proven, while universal truth is something thought to be generally agreed upon, which is how most people use that word.

Where did you say you were using "universal truth" to mean the movie series? Yeah, I know how you use "universal truth" but what I meant to say is that the word "universal truth" is a confusing term you are using because it is hard to argue what you perceive as really universal or as truth. And I do not agree that it is how most people use that word. Perhaps it is the case in your circle, but from where I am it is not used that way.

Venom900 said:
Sometimes the best answers lie in the most obvious places. For you, it seems like it's going straight over your head.

Or you just assume people understand what you say and take it for granted (guess it is a universal truth to you?).

Venom900 said:
You confuse heresay with facts, that is why you don't understand what I'm saying. Facts aren't simply mouthed by someone near you, facts are things given directly from the source, ever heard of Telephone (too obvious for you?)? What you hear at the end of the line, is likely not to be the whole truth, rather only a small fraction of it.

No, there is a difference between hearsay and views that are more founded on facts and observations. If you can only believe things that you can confirm only at the source by yourself, why there are a lot of things you might as well call hearsay because it is mouthed by some other person instead of you get it directly from source. Perhaps all this is just too obvious to you.

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Where did you say you were using "universal truth" to mean the movie series?

It's italicized for you. First time refers to the TV series, remake was referring to the movie series.

Venom900 said:
I'm saying exactly as it reads, its quite obvious to me when writers remake and change quite a bit of the original script they weren't happy with the way it went the first time...but as stated there's nothing official about it, so generally what I perceive as a universal truth, is recognized as an opinion by others.

symbv said:
Or you just assume people understand what you say and take it for granted (guess it is a universal truth to you?).

Naturally, if you cannot understand the obvious, you won't understand what is not obvious...I can't help you understand my opinion if even the most obvious examples aren't getting through to you.

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No, there is a difference between hearsay and views that are more founded on facts and observations. If you can only believe things that you can confirm only at the source by yourself, why there are a lot of things you might as well call hearsay because it is mouthed by some other person instead of you get it directly from source.

I'll use some things you wrote yourself earlier in our amazing debate:

symbv said:
A lot of what really went behind the production of Evangelion were never made public.

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I doubt we will ever get full confirmation by those involved.

Here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay here is the definition, first line
"Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience."

In short, how are the views you expressed founded on facts and observations if
A) Much was hidden from the public
B) We don't have full confirmation

As stated, it's hearsay, and hearsay is nothing more than an opinion one formed on what they thought actually happened.

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It's italicized for you. First time refers to the TV series, remake was referring to the movie series.

Reading it does not make it more comprehensible. I understand the first sentence but what you were referring as "it" in your second sentence is not clear. Is it the change of the original script meaning the change that eventually became the TV ending? Or the change that eventually became the movies?

Venom900 said:
Naturally, if you cannot understand the obvious, you won't understand what is not obvious...I can't help you understand my opinion if even the most obvious examples aren't getting through to you.

Or when you assume things you said are automatically obvious then surely you can't and won't be able to help people understand your opinion.

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I'll use some things you wrote yourself earlier in our amazing debate:

symbv said:
A lot of what really went behind the production of Evangelion were never made public.

symbv said:
I doubt we will ever get full confirmation by those involved.

OK, so what are we arguing about?? You are using those quotes of mine that I said about the actual causes of the change to TV ending and I have never disagreed that what caused TV ending could have many causes. But of course we would also base our reasoning on common sense. So I don't think the idea of budget problem can be easily dismissed but that does not mean just because someone told that the TV ending was changed because of some crazy otaku sabotaging the work of Gainax I would accept it. According to your definition, budget, time constraint, overload, and otaku sabotage are all hearsay, why would you pick just one to be the cause of the TV ending change?

And if we follow that definition to an absurd level, since you cannot confirm the source yourself (in fact you could not understand it), what I told you about the booklet of DVD "Air" is thus "hearsay" (no direct experience) and so the information about the TV ending not based on a screenplay already written is thus opinion not fact.

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Reading it does not make it more comprehensible. I understand the first sentence but what you were referring as "it" in your second sentence is not clear. Is it the change of the original script meaning the change that eventually became the TV ending? Or the change that eventually became the movies?

I don't really see how you don't understand still which I am referring to, the TV series was the first time the show ran right? So how can the "remake" of the "first time" not refer to the movie EoE? the unverisal truth I believe in is that the writer didn't know how to end it off and I used the movie series Rebuild to back up the claim because why else would a writer change up the script to a story he originally did. Why change your work when you were satisfied with it, which is what I said in Post #1, and again in several other posts.

symbv said:
Or when you assume things you said are automatically obvious then surely you can't and won't be able to help people understand your opinion.

You yourself stated the examples I used are too obvious...so yeah, I would assume you know it IS obvious.

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OK, so what are we arguing about??

You're the one that started the debate about my opinion that I gave to someone else, but you have no idea what we are debating over?...only you yourself can answer why you jumped into the discussion...not me

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According to your definition, budget, time constraint, overload, and otaku sabotage are all hearsay, why would you pick just one to be the cause of the TV ending change?

You may need to go back and reread, I believe you may have lost things in transition here. I was addressing someone who used the budget as a sole reason why the TV series ended the way it did, he was asking about it. I myself even stated it was because of numerous reasons, when I verified those reasons to be truth, but I personally believe it to be more of some of the reasons and less of other reasons.

symbv said:
And if we follow that definition to an absurd level, since you cannot confirm the source yourself (in fact you could not understand it), what I told you about the booklet of DVD "Air" is thus "hearsay" (no direct experience) and so the information about the TV ending not based on a screenplay already written is thus opinion not fact.

Once again you need to go back and reread, I conceded that tid-bit as official because it's not something written by a third party; it's a DVD bundle officially released, it's not a bootleg DVD by a third party, as you just stated it apparently is according to me, which no...it's not...and is therefore fact. I also used production issues and overworking as part of my opinion as well.

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Venom900 said:
I don't really see how you don't understand still which I am referring to, the TV series was the first time the show ran right? So how can the "remake" of the "first time" not refer to the movie EoE?

"the first time" could be the first time the screenplay was wrtten and the "writers remake" is referring to writers remaking the script for another TV ending. As I said you assume what you said to be obvious and cannot accept that it can be less clear to other people.

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symbv said:
Or when you assume things you said are automatically obvious then surely you can't and won't be able to help people understand your opinion.

You yourself stated the examples I used are too obvious...so yeah, I would assume you know it IS obvious.

Assuming what you said is obvious again I reckon?

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symbv said:
OK, so what are we arguing about??

Because you were using my quotes as if I did not know what I am talking about. Hence my question back to you. If you cannot tell, then we might as well end the debate. At least I can tell, though by this point I am no longer sure it is the points that you are trying to debate: The reason why I started my reply to your post was aimed only to tell you 1) why your belief that budget issue is not a reason (but overload is) unless it came from some official sources is not really that much of "universal truth" 2) why there is good reason behind the making of the movies so soon after the TV series ended even if the budget issue was indeed true, and thus why it was going too far to just brush aside the video as "one guy's interpretations" and thus "all opinion and not facts".

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You may need to go back and reread, I believe you may have lost things in transition here. I was addressing someone who used the budget as a sole reason why the TV series ended the way it did, he was asking about it. I myself even stated it was because of numerous reasons, when I verified those reasons to be truth, but I personally believe it to be more of some of the reasons and less of other reasons.

So do you agree the two points I wrote above? Because what I got from the exchange is that that person was using the budget as the main reason (anyway he quoted only that as the reason) while you dismissed that, and the impression is that you would not believe any proposed cause as a possible reason until you can verify it yourself. However, you also said "overload" is a more likely reason. My point is why do you dismiss "budget" as a reason so quickly? And "overload" could just as well be a "hearsay" according to your definition, what made you think it is a reason but "budget" is not?

Venom900 said:
Once again you need to go back and reread, I conceded that tid-bit as official because it's not something written by a third party; it's a DVD bundle officially released, it's not a bootleg DVD by a third party, as you just stated it apparently is according to me, which no...it's not...and is therefore fact.

Yeah, but you cannot confirm it by yourself, right? And you cannot read the text even if you have access to it, right? So no direct experience. You only heard it from another person. What I am trying to say is that using your definition of "hearsay", a lot of things could be dismissed as "hearsay" and thus "opinion" if the definition is pushed too far.

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"the first time" could be the first time the screenplay was wrtten and the "writers remake" is referring to writers remaking the script for another TV ending. As I said you assume what you said to be obvious and cannot accept that it can be less clear to other people.

True, I suppose I can see that, but I have never gone in depth with anything I've said, I've kept things simple and to the surface which is why I used "obvious" examples at least in my eyes, about the TV series and the movies.

So recap so no confusion, I meant the remake of the TV series final moments using EoE.

symbv said:
Assuming what you said is obvious again I reckon?

To that, I have a quote “Making itself intelligible is suicide for philosophy.” I won't explain what that means.

symbv said:
why your belief that budget issue is not a reason (but overload is) unless it came from some official sources is not really that much of "universal truth"

They're both opinions, they're not facts. Therefore I don't debate them as facts, I debate them as opinions. I already stated that numerous times. Why do I think budget is less of a reason than overloading work on people? Experience and what I've learned from things that happen to employees and studios. Where else do people formulate opinions if they cannot completely prove it? They use what knowledge they have to come up with it, but it's not necessarily true, nor is it necessarily false. I have stated that I don't think budget is a main reason, but it may still be a reason, no matter how small I think it may have been.

symbv said:
So do you agree the two points I wrote above? Because what I got from the exchange is that that person was using the budget as the main reason (anyway he quoted only that as the reason) while you dismissed that, and the impression is that you would not believe any proposed cause as a possible reason until you can verify it yourself.

I didn't dismiss it, I stated my opinion, I didn't write to argue my point over his, I wrote to explain my reasoning, I never once said anything I said is truth (fact) it's opinion, because he asked for insight. It seems to me, that you think that I believe what I say is fact, rather than opinion, which it is not and I never once implied that at all.

symbv said:
Yeah, but you cannot confirm it by yourself, right? And you cannot read the text even if you have access to it, right? So no direct experience. You only heard it from another person. What I am trying to say is that using your definition of "hearsay", a lot of things could be dismissed as "hearsay" and thus "opinion" if the definition is pushed too far.

I suppose I got to copy and paste it again....
"Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience."
Read the italicized part...As long as the first person was directly involved, hearsay can be truth, but if what you said was true, most things weren't actually revealed to the public, so then it's all speculation. I can easily google that booklet and read it myself if I wanted to. To answer your question no you don't know what I'm debating about, I'm debating my opinion, not what I perceive to be truth, but what I perceive to be my opinion. What I wrote about universal truth and opinions, was how to distinguish fact from opinion, something I think you're deeply confused about.

In conclusion..in case you like short, sweet and to the point, I've been debating about people who see their opinions as fact, rather than for what they are, simply opinions.

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There really is no greater reaction to a film.

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The movie was better than the last 2 episodes of the anime but it still left me confused, especially in the last minutes.

Anyways, good movie.

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Rei is the creepiest character I've ever seen. Look at that smile of hers. I thought Asuka was dead when her Eva was destroyed.
So basically, the only humans alive were Asuka and Shinji since everyone died during the Third Impact. Rei's face was still in there. D:
9/10

Jun 18, 2013 1:55 AM

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Man this anime deserves a -1

lmfao

all i got out of this anime was RABBLE RABBLE RELIGION, PSYCHOLOGY, PSEUDO SCIENCE/PHILOSOPHY, BIG FUCKING GUNS EVERYONE EVAPORATES SHIZZZZZZZZ I JUST PULLED SHIT OUT OF MY ANUS

2deep4me (that's what she said.......)

Jun 20, 2013 10:53 PM

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Zeally said:
Man this anime deserves a -1

lmfao

all i got out of this anime was RABBLE RABBLE RELIGION, PSYCHOLOGY, PSEUDO SCIENCE/PHILOSOPHY, BIG FUCKING GUNS EVERYONE EVAPORATES SHIZZZZZZZZ I JUST PULLED SHIT OUT OF MY ANUS

2deep4me (that's what she said.......)

3deep5you lol

anyway, besides 2.0, this remains my favorite part of evangelion, and i dont know exactly why. of course, being the movie it is, and the age it is, its OOP, and finding an R4 copy is essentially impossible, if youre lucky theres maybe 1 a month going on ebay for 120+
managed to find a guy on a local trading site in another state who was asking $25 for a like new copy, said he'd only sell local, shame, because i lived over 600km away in another state, messaged him and offered him $50 for the deal.
and thats that.

OT.
theres something about this movie that makes it amazing, but i cant pinpoint exactly what it is. maybe its the whole thing.
and even to this day, that MP eva vs 02 battle gives me chills.

Jun 24, 2013 3:13 AM

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The first half was awesome but I don't understand why Asuka died wasn't I thought she will take only psychical damage.

The second half was even more confusing and at the ending why only Asuka and Shinji came back it was Shinji's wish or they come back because they had a strong bound with their EVAs.

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Xer0117 said:
Okay....I don't understand. At all.

I guess the symbolism is too deep? But I still liked it for some reason. It felt epic, yet really confusing. Just wish that I could understand it (more).

I didn't understand the regular TV ending either...sigh.

I watched this before the 25,26 TV episodes and I guess I made the right choice .

Jul 7, 2013 10:14 PM

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So did Shinji get laid with Misato or no?

Jul 7, 2013 10:49 PM

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IntervisioN said:
So did Shinji get laid with Misato or no?

Jul 7, 2013 11:07 PM

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Forgetfulness said:
I have no idea how to rate this because I barely have a fucking idea what went on.

So from what I've read, EoE is basically Ep. 25/26 except slightly different and you can actually see what happened?
Also, the Human Instrumentality Project is to merge all human conscious together?

I don't even know how it reached this conclusion.
For now, I'm going to just put it at the same score as NGE until I figure out what actually happened(and when I do, I think there's a higher chance that I'll drop points than add them)

see you in 20 years

Jul 8, 2013 12:11 AM

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Forgetfulness said:

eldest said:

see you in 20 years

Mmm...I'm back after like 45 min. After reading tons of paragraphs, I think have a general understanding of what happened and what the move was trying to show.
I dunno. Overall, it's pretty good but it would've helped if it wasn't so confusing the first time (yeah, call me lazy/won't think. whatever).
The Human Instrumentality Project was introduced pretty suddenly and at first appears to have little to do with episodes 1~24. Also, from what I've read, some knowledge of religious stuff would have helped a lot with some terms like "Chamber of Guf".
I boosted the score by 1 point for an 8/10. Perhaps to other people it seems like a masterpiece and intelligent, but I didn't really take that much of a liking to it so I can't give it 9+

fair enough

Jul 8, 2013 1:58 PM

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DEMOLITION_D

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Well, yeah. Seems like it actually was too deep for you. You joke around like this is an impossibility. When it's pretty obvious that any point this film was trying to make went right over your head.

So yes. 2deep4u

Jul 8, 2013 6:20 PM

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Shoryu

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Forgetfulness said:

The Human Instrumentality Project was introduced pretty suddenly and at first appears to have little to do with episodes 1~24.

Re-watch NGE. I was in your shoes as well after watching EoE, but after seeing a second viewing of NGE, they introduce the HIP fairly early (at least in the first half iirc).
Basically, it's not sudden as you think it is.

Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is.

Jul 9, 2013 1:23 AM

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