The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2 Episode 13 Discussion

xxjanism said:

3 things pissed me off:
-haruhi for just passing over the line, doing all those things to mikuru (even if she was jealous)
-mikuru for being such a push over, not being able to do anything herself, she always has to get rescued (I have to say that she's my least favorite character, I dislike weak- damsels in distress characters)
-and kyon for almost hitting haruhi >.< (also dislike that he's attention is always on mikuru)

shellybell said:


You just said exactly what I was thinking. Although I thought Haruhi passed the line way back in the first couple episodes of Season 1, bu yeah. Haruhi, Kyon, and Mikuru are all so annoying this episode.

naikou said:
It was more of an expression of rage that had built up over the past few months rather than Kyon getting angry at that particular situation.

Purplephaze said:
Would you let things go on unpunished, or would you dare to put millions upon millions of lives at risk? Now, this question would be very hard to answer, or even understand completely, since most, if not, all of us, wouldn't even begin to comprehend the question itself, as none of us will ever have that decision to come upon us. One could give an answer, but would you have truly weighed all the consequences of such and so then?
With that said, would you let things go, or would you put the lives of many at risk? Would you have truly done so?

clannad4ever said:
man haruhi really asked for a bitch-slap lol xD,she annoys the hell out of me

tk_rout said:

Ya, Haruhi was annoying.

Animefanx3 said:
Haruhi is só screwed in the head. I mean you don't usually order to throw someone in (frking dirty) water do you? And then you order someone to make her drunk so you can have an erotic/love scene while the acteress isn't even aware of what is happening?! I really hate Haruhi, she's so fucking selfish and arrogant. The movie is pure crap and it's just an excuse to bully Mikuru. I really would've slapped that stupid annoying giggling girl and Haruhi if I were Kyon... But I guess there are people who actually like Haruhi -_-

Haruhi_Suzimiya said:


yes!

Askman23 said:
This episode has to be the first episode that can put me in a crappy mood within 5 minutes. It's for the simple fact that Haruhi simply takes things too far and doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. She even goes as far as to say I can treat mikuru like a toy if i want to. Smh that simple statement earned a slap then she kept pushing and kyon was about to falcon punch her. Now I understand that just from haruhi being in a depressed or bad mood the world would end. But hey she her powers don't make her unstoppable if nagato could drain her powers and change reality like in the movie. Haruhi was much better in the normal world and well mannered. I'm just surprised with the trouble she causes noone has tried to come from space or the future to kill her. She can't destroy the world if she dead. lol But her personality needs serious work and itsuki is annoying,telling kyon to say something to her so she won't be depressed forget that let her come to him and apologize. I'm just glad someone new came along with similar powers. It would probably be the end of the series if haruhi became mature and apologized she really has a lot of redeeming to do with her fans. The only way she would be fully redeemed is if she fights to protect the one she loves and saves the world and gives up her life in the process.

x4m said:
Don't like Kyon anymore. How dares he to rise fist against a girl and senior rank on top of that?

All he was supposed to do is just follow Haruhi's orders, not going against her! Everyone know's what kind of character Haruhi is and if they don't like it - why are they in SOS brigade at all!? Haruhi orders - you follow.

Why Kyon make things so complicated? He's not in any position to act the way he acted, he's just a camera-man!

Haruhi wanted to make a little love scene. Taking in account Mikuru's personality - there's no way she could possibly deliver what Haruhi demands to, unless there'd be a way to make Mikuru relax a bit. All that is left is just following Haruhi's lead and filming all scene, but then some cameraman decides that it's all
wrong and goes swinging fists against director! Is it ok? I don't think so.

Tiago97 said:

Yeah, how dare he raise his fist against someone who throwed an inoccent girl on a dirty river just because?
Let's think a bit. I'm a new guy in your school. I tell you I'm not interested in normal humans like you, but rather aliens and shit. I order you to be a part of my new club. Since you're a pacific person, you agree. "Why not?", you think. Then I grab the cutest girl in your school, make her my bitch and harass her all the time. Then throw her on a river and make her drink saké and kiss a boy. Would you still follow me around and not get mad at me? Unless you're a retard, the answer is no.
Why do you make things so simple? He's just a camera-man? Yeah. He's not human. He has no emotions, therefore no compassion for Mikuru.
Oh, I agree, it's not OK. But, then again, it's fine to throw a girl on a river just because of a D-grade movie, as well as harassing her all the time. 'Cause that's what normal people do, right?

Anyway, the episode was OK. Not as moeshit as I was expecting. The "raise tha fist scene" was ruined when Itsuki stopped him, and when Haruhi talked (after Kyon almost punched her), IMO.

Tiago97 said:

Yeah, how dare he raise his fist against someone who throwed an inoccent girl on a dirty river just because?
Let's think a bit. I'm a new guy in your school. I tell you I'm not interested in normal humans like you, but rather aliens and shit. I order you to be a part of my new club. Since you're a pacific person, you agree. "Why not?", you think. Then I grab the cutest girl in your school, make her my bitch and harass her all the time. Then throw her on a river and make her drink saké and kiss a boy. Would you still follow me around and not get mad at me? Unless you're a retard, the answer is no.
Why do you make things so simple? He's just a camera-man? Yeah. He's not human. He has no emotions, therefore no compassion for Mikuru.
Oh, I agree, it's not OK. But, then again, it's fine to throw a girl on a river just because of a D-grade movie, as well as harassing her all the time. 'Cause that's what normal people do, right?

Anyway, the episode was OK. Not as moeshit as I was expecting. The "raise tha fist scene" was ruined when Itsuki stopped him, and when Haruhi talked (after Kyon almost punched her), IMO.

Leon-Gun said:
Well, it all makes sense once you realize Haruhi's constant mistreatment of Mikuru stems from jealousy, hence Kyon is partly to blame.

Andyis said:
Making Mikuru drunk and then hitting her was just too far. However kyon should learn to let out anger gradually then exploding and learn from the esper to let things out nicely like saying mean things with a smile

Vyudali said:
Finally someone stands up to Haruhi over all the crap she does. Thanks to this episode, my dislike of her turned into hatred.
Jealousy over a guy is NO excuse for harassment.
I just wish Kyon had taught her a lesson (i admit a punch might be too much, but a slap i would have totally been okay with) and at least made her apologize for her behavior than just waltz in there later and encourage her more.
Even if Mikuru agreed to it, drugging her drink? Really? What the f-. Most of the crap Haruhi does is totally illegal. She needs to learn limits, regardless of how godly she may be. Being 'human' is no excuse for her mistakes because she's done more than the average human for the sake of her enjoyment.

AO968 said:
People keep saying it's the bobbing on Mikuru's head that made Kyon snap, but I think it's all the stuff she forced Mikuru into doing and the way she's treated her since they first met that finally made him go "enough is enough".

The problem with Haruhi is what others said before: she gets away with everything, because most of the SOS members fear it will have grave consequences if they oppose her. I think it's pretty obvious that Mikuru doesn't like the way she's being treated by Haruhi most of the time, but of what she believes Haruhi to be, she swallows it. No one dares to step up and tell Haruhi to tone down her erratic behavior and as such, she keeps pushing the limits. Kyon is watching all this go by without anyone doing anything and it pisses him off and eventually, all that built-up rage has to go somewhere - Haruhi's face preferably.

I don't really care what Haruhi's motivation for treating Mikuru as a toy is. If she's jealous of her, especially considering that Kyon seems to be quite fond of her too (though that might mostly be mere sympathy for her being treated as a toy rather than true affection), she could've found better ways at showing that than abusing her in every possible way. What Kyon pretty much wanted Haruhi to understand is that there are things she can't get away with, even if all the others don't stand up. And if the scenes after that are any indication, I think that message got through to her quite clearly.

Yes, Haruhi is the product of her own environment. But that's because no one ever gave her any backtalk, let alone a slap on the wrist if she screwed up and as a result, she doesn't know her own limits. It doesn't serve as an excuse to justify her behavior whatsoever. She does more harm than good to those she supposedly cares about (and Mikuru in particular), so there HAS to be someone to put her back in place and that role has befallen on Kyon. His reaction (to me) is perfectly understandable and justified.

And the "guys should not hit girls" statement is a load of bull, but I won't go into that.

Minagatachi said:
Anyone noticed that when Kyon busted through the door Haruhi was holding her hair in a ponytail? Good touch.