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| Just watched it, I think Lelouch freaked out that Kallen was captured was mainly because she knew the true identity of Lelouch. It's not like Kallen was in danger at all, she was necessary to "trade" for Tianzi. But that doesn't mean the Chinese Fed won't interrogate her. It's less of a relationship IMHO. And LOL for not knowing C.C. in the picture. zzzz. Overlook much? |
TachiiJun 18, 2008 3:18 AM
| So when are they deploying Shinkirou? Can't wait... 5/5, btw. |
| What a good and confusing episode. A second Lulu or wth? I was surprised and liked that Zero acknowledge Li as a hero and a strategy man, but what they said about his time.... nooooes he is such a good character |
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| Great episode. Plenty of C.C. makes me happy. :) And I'm guessing that there's another geass user at play here. And they do need to get Kallen back. She seemed happy about Lulu saying that he was going to come rescue her. ^.~ Looking forward to the next episode and having some of my questions answered. |
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| I was hoping they'd kill Kallen off in this episode instead of actually kidnapping her, but then I realised doing that would make the writers seem like they actually know what they're doing. |
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Brian333 said: Geass is just getting worse and worse. This was a good episode in terms of production and entertainment but did little for my opinion of the series. First, I think we need to address what's happening with Lelouch. It's as if a totally different crew of writers are dealing with Lelouch. It's like they don't remember who he is or what he's supposed to be at this point. During the first season and through parts of R2, Lelouch was an ends justify the means person. He had his emotions but at the end of the day and when it came to business, he was a ruthless tactician and always made the most of what he was given. If this was the Lelouch of old, he would've just took Schneizel's king instead of backing down because he didn't "like" the victory that was before him. Pride was something that resided in Lelouch's mind and it stayed there. It never crossed the boundary and became an issue with results on the battlefield. Part of why Lelouch was such a charismatic leader was because of his resolve, determination, and his focus on his goals. So what if it meant sacrificing human lives? He had a personal agenda and a vendetta. His relationship with the Japanese was one of mutual benefits. Japan thought they couldn't win without Zero and Lelouch saw the rebellion as a wave he could ride to an opportunity to geass his father. Lelouch this season just seems to be a soft, indecisive, and stupid hypocrite. It's like his dick has gone limp or something. He has totally lost his edge and his determination. I realize that part of his motivation was destroyed in the recent events with Nunnally but the truth is his motives and goals have entirely changed and with very little development behind those changes. His goals went from finding out the truth about his mother, avenging her death, and changing the world into a place where Nunnally could live without a burden to "lets all go back to school and be happy about our lives. Peace, love, and friendship!" It went from "a ship full of innocent Japanese? BLOW IT UP!!!11!!" to "I will save you Kallen! *whip cracks in the background*" This isn't even an issue of seeing a more human Lelouch. We're seeing a totally different Lelouch -- goals, motives, and personality. Skipped episode 8 of R2, didn't you? Coolest comment in this thread: lulu's too scary to appeal to lolis, he should know that ROFL. On another note. Kaguya trying to motivate the Empress to go after Xing-Ke was hilarious. She keeps it up and she'll have an army of lolis going after brilliant tactician bishie characters. :D Anyways. This episode was awesome, though I think what's almost as awesome is looking at this thread and watching all the people call this show horrible even though the only thing that's changed between this season and last season is the introduction of super robots. How did you guys create all this nostalgia for S1? Its only been two years! :P The next episode is...eh. From the previews, it almost looks like its going to have TOO much going on. C.C.'s powers going crazy, Orange, Charles and V.V. in one of those mysterious mystic places that Geass should really start elaborating on, and the big, huge battle of the Black Knights vs. the Eunuch army and the Knights of Rounds. In which I predict Zero will very quickly persuade Xing-Ke to work with him and somehow pull a miracle out of his ass. Oh. If you guys miss tactician, overly-cold, would've-eventually-lost-like-Light Lelouch, consider this: Kallen is the ace pilot. Just having her in the battle they got caught up in earlier would've made a HUGE difference, in that they would've had another person with a float unit able to battle while everyone else was trapped in the mud. Not only that, but losing your ace pilot would've been a GIGANTIC blow to morale. (How can we win when we've lost our best pilot AND her mech?!) Of course he saved her because he's slowly becoming a nice guy, but nevertheless, if you want you can always think he did it because of the reasons I just listed. |
| Jumping in Headfirst - I hear reading it causes immortality. Warning. Reading may not actually cause immortality. |
Brian333 said: <snip> I am sorry, but Lulu is no Kira. You want some psycho as main character - go search for that. Lulu is exactly who he is and as he was - a person who, while using any means possible, puts the people he care about as priority. He threw away his goal to save nunnaly at the end of R1, and him going for Kallen just proves that he cares about her too. Its not that Lulu's character changed, its just that instead only caring about his own sister, he now has a bit wider circle of people to care about. Lelouch is not insane, he is not psycho, nor is he Emperor. He wants a better world, but not as a big insane ruling head - I wouldn't be surprised if he would place Kaguya to rule USJ after all is done and come back to school to live the normal and peaceful life. Thats what Lelouch is and thats why most of us admire him...He succeeds in factors where other antiheroes failed hard. |
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| Mostly action so not much to comment on. It sucks that Kallen was kidnapped since she's one of the ones that knows that Lelouch is Zero. I'm not sure how he was able to get back to Japan so quickly if that was him in the end but I'll just find out next week anyway. |
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Brian333 said: Seriously, Lelouch, what happened? I can't help but think Taniguchi is trying to set up Lelouch to win in the end. And to do so he's trying to make Lelouch nicer/softer so he doesn't have to deal with the fact that he let someone who has villain-like traits wins. The result leads to our dark prince making some fairly unwise decisions. Or I could be completely wrong :). |
RolexJun 19, 2008 2:47 PM
Brian333 said: <snip> The entire R1 has shown us that Lulu would NEVER sacriffice those he cares about, and it took long enough for him to open his eyes. it took him loosing his sister. It took him his sister being on the "baddies side"", to understand that he cares for more people, than he thought. He understood what Student council meant to him, what Kallen meant to him and etc. Lulu still would not hesitate to take the life of those he does not care about, but the ones he is fighting for are out of question. After all Kallen is part of his "future vision" - living normal life back in ashford, he just can't let a precious person slip away again. Just like he let Nunnally be taken away from him in that "rescue nunnally" episode, just like his quest for power accidentally took away yufie from him. His development was taking place through the entire R1, its just that he understood all that only after loosing the strongest reasoning. After all, the only way to see smaller lights is after the strongest one goes away. And yep,I have no doubts that Lulu will get a happy end |
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| I guess somebody went bawww over the fact that Lelouch prioritizing his emotions to tactical ingenuity. I can argue about that, but I'm too lazy for that now :iiam: |
| Hoo, boy, where do I start. Super long post, beware. tl;dr, has Lelouch changed? No. As he himself said, even if our tactics and strategies differ, our goals are the same. Has the writing team and the execution of the plot screwed some things up in his portrayal? Yes. |
| Moar long post, ahoy. Do keep in mind that I agree with more than 50% of what you assert; I'm just debating for the sake of it. You make great points; I admire you. |
Brian333 said: SageShinigami said: Skipped episode 8 of R2, didn't you? Nope. and what part of my post would lead you to such a conclusion? Lelouch is a totally different person from season 1 and early season 2 with no good reason other than inconsistent and bad writing. Episode 8 didn't prove otherwise or change anything. If anything, episode 8 made matters worse as, like I said in that episode discussion thread, it took the series away from two things that made it so brilliant up to this point. Its not inconsistent and bad writing. Its the next logical point in his development if Lelouch is going to actually win. You say he was more determined in S1? That's funny. He had VICTORY in his grasp but ran off to go save Nunnally. There's NO determination in that. Like he said in episode 2 of this season. He lost to his past. What happened in episode 7 (and 8) was necessary to put him on the path to becoming the victor of this war against Britannia. Before, as we already saw, he was so obsessed with putting Nunnally above EVERYTHING that he was willing to throw away his entire army (and thus, his chance at creating a peaceful world for her) just to make sure she was with him again. As he is now, he's realized that its not just her he should be creating this peaceful world for, and thus he's more determined than ever. But all this is moot. If, at the end of S1, you saw a man determined, rather than a man desperate, and don't think the guy we're seeing now is way better off, nothing I say will get through to you. And what happened as a result of Lelouch's rushed and ill-advised actions was any better? They didn't save Kallen or her nightmare, they lost massive ammounts of soldiers and nightmares, they exposed their cannon trump card, Lelouch was exposed by Diethard and consequently brought his decision making into question in front of Black Knight leadership, was embarrassed by the Chinese Federation, and ended up retreating anyways. GIGANTIC blow to morale? laughable. really. like what happened instead wasn't an even bigger blow to not only their morale but to their chances at winning this battle (and ultimately, their unity as an organization). Heh. Come on. You've seen the show. You KNOW what's going to happen next episode. Or in the next two episodes. He's going to do some amazing thing that will not only win this battle, but improve his standing against Britannia for the rest of the season. Its like that fight against Cornelia way back in S1. When you pull a miracle out of your ass (which Lelouch has been doing since S1, so I'm sick of people pretending like its something new), your people tend to believe in you more. At the end of all this, Diethard will probably think of Zero as more of a "god" than ever, and the Black Knights will become even larger saviors, not only in the eyes of Japan, but in the eyes of the world itself. They will be the army that, under the leadership of the great and mighty Zero, not only beat back the forces of China, but Britannia and three Knight of Rounds. Something like that is the stuff legends are made of, and word travels fast. Instead, he's too caught up with making foul and stupid decisions in response to Kallen getting captured. What happened to the resolve he gained when he was forced to geass Shirley and have her forget everything? What happened to the resolve he gained when he shot Euphemia? What happened to his promises to CC? What happened to his vow to walk the path of carnage when he first met with Kyoto? What happened to the Black Knights being the partners of Justice and opposing all who incorrectly use and abuse force over the weak? He just held Tianzi, a helpless little girl, at gun point. Right. The gunpoint thing was a fake. But there's about as much justice in that as there is in shooting Euphemia. Edit: Also. Just 'cause you don't like it, doesn't make it "bad writing". Just wanted to say that. |
| Jumping in Headfirst - I hear reading it causes immortality. Warning. Reading may not actually cause immortality. |
| This episode was meh. |
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| The second half of this episode was awful. I didn't get what happened to Kallen at all. Did they leave her behind? Weird...-_- |
| This was a good episode, back to the Code Geass we've all come to love! Within Anya's pictures there was a picture that had Lelouch right beside C.C, which means she has the evidence to prove that Lelouch has found his identity again. Though, Suzaku didn't seem to realize... What was with Lelouch at the school at the end? |
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| yeah, there you go, actions! i'm quite suprised seeing Lulu's desperate expression when Kallen got captured, i was like.."did Lulu care that much for Kallen after all? is Lulu in looovee with Kallen?"...nah, i thought to myself, he wouldn't rite? (i'd become a girl with NO further expectation for Lulu to be in love with anyone else after euphie~~..he gives me the same vibe like Kira where "woman just get in the way") i tried to think other possible reasons for it, mm well maybe..maybe he got this super-smart-future-plan that he will need Kallen to be in it? and without Kallen, it will ruined all the preparations for that super-smart-future-plan that he has planned up to this stage?...mm ...i'm in denial...actually i still hope Lulu will shows some love and care for someone else beside his sister oo; just my wagamama wish~~ oh whatever, love this epi!~~ |
| Now, more than ever, suddenly a lingering thought entered my mind; I'm afraid that this 'justification' will transform Lelouch from a magnificent bastard to a Mary-Sue. That may be an oversimplification, but maybe one that will suffice to describe him. Also, the more Lelouch becomes idealistic, the more Suzaku becomes pragmatic. |
| Lulu's strategy was beaten by Xing Ke's strategy. I was very surprised that Anya have a pic of young Lulu. Good episode. |
| Cheese-chan? |
wtfyourface said: MistaCloudStrife said: OVER 9000!!!From 100-1000, how much do you love LWL? |
| o.O Woah,Lelouch surely is impressive,being able to be in two places at once...my turn to ask:what's he doing in school? o.o I predict a new geass user... lostty said: Within Anya's pictures there was a picture that had Lelouch right beside C.C, which means she has the evidence to prove that Lelouch has found his identity again. Though, Suzaku didn't seem to realize... Yeah,that's what I thought too! Suzaku's so retarded... ._. Interesting ep,moving on to the next. :] Hopefully they'll get Kallen back... |
| i know everything has already been said but i noticed noone has put up this: |
  "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
| Gotta agree with Brian in this thread, it's just bad writing plain and simple. They ruined the interesting divide between Lelouch and Suzaku by making Lelouch's driving force more emphatic (although they're thankfully still having him laugh maniacally while he kills people mercilessly). Bad writing, because they spent basically one episode to transform Lelouch's motives for continuing as Zero. One episode. In a very hackneyed manner, that made Brian hurl his lunch, and featuring one of the most worthless characters in the series, a character I keep hoping will die but never does: Kallen. But what can we expect from a series that's ever-increasingly consisting of nothing but slow panning shots of tits and arses every five minutes? Regarding the plot holes, I dont mind them too much. I fill in the gaps myself with my wonderful imagination, but this series probably has the highest amount of deus ex machinas I've seen in my life, its ridiculous. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Has anyone noticed that Xing Ke is just like Eagle Vision from Magic Knight Rayearth? They both have problems with health. |
| okay after seeing that pic of lelouch as a kid in Anya's possession is making me wonder how old she is ._o so anyone know? |
| I was fairly disappointed with this episode. and at the end, wtf lelouch double? |
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cantius said: I was fairly disappointed with this episode. and at the end, wtf lelouch double? I am just as shocked as you are, I really want to know how he pulled that off :O! |
| Wow the Enuch generals are going to kill off Xing-Ke when he helped so much. -_- Idiots. Wth... Zero er Lulu is back at his place? |
| HEY! |
| what the?!?! how did lulu get to school??? i'm confused now.. hahaha.. anyway... i hope that xingke would just join the order.. since he is being abused by those eunuchs, and its not like they're torturing tianzi right??? hahaha.. she has kaguya as a friend and she gets to see the outside world... so i hope he'd just join the order... :D that little lulu from the pictures!! too cute! |
WAHa_06x36 said: Man, a lot of things sure happened in this episode for no other reason than that the writers said that they happened. There really was no logical flow of the story from one event to another. Pretty much all of season 2 has been like that, but it was especially bad in this episode. agree, season 2 is not good as season 1 |
| This ep was great! I love big epic mech battles! |
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| I'm looking forward to seeing Lulu's so called trick. |
| More twists and turns. And Zero get owned. What will they do know? And now Britania is preparing to attack. I just can not stop watching. And I have terms papers to do. LOL |
| Not much on this one. Just generic militaristic mumbo jumbo. So the heavens blessed Xing-Ke with Lelouch's strategic intelligence and Suzaku's heroism. I guess it was obvious he had to have some terminal disease =_=; |
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| Wow, Lelouch is back at the academy. Wtf? |
| Zangetsu should have just used getsuga tenshou and the battle would be over! |
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| This episode was fast. But I loved the mech battle, although Lulu kinda "lost" to Xingke. I lol'd at the sticker Cheese-kuns in the truck and the scene that Lloyd was hiding at Milly's back. :)) |
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