Guilty Crown Episode 11 Discussion

DraconisMarch said:
This episode was fun to watch at least. Great music and visuals. Picture at the end wasn't equivalent to porn, so that's good.

Daryl killing his father and the bitch: Win.

Inori peeking around the corner and shooting at nothing on the security camera: Fail.

Crowning moment of heartwarming with Shu and his friends: Cute.

Yahiro/Jun resolution: Fail.

Evil Shu: Win.

Shu x Hare moment: Cute.

EDIT: Vallaw rant above: Epic win.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
yah minus the hare part i agree with this, i cant get into the hare ship, its just so tacked in for the sake of being tacked on, plus i dont even have the slightest amount of faith that she will survive this series

Vallaw said:


Yeah, Gai's character makes no sense, I'm not saying that ANY of the characters in GC make sense, so don't infer that.

Hes a 17 leader of an organization that blindly follows him into (what should be) suicide missions for no reason other than "He's the leader". How does he manage to have such influence, connections, and funding when hes only 17, enough to fight toe to toe with a despotic government that NOBODY ELSE even thinks of opposing? Why is there not even a hint of mutiny? (no leader has a 100% approval rating)

But the thing I hate the most about Gai is his logic. I'll give a (kinda) brief (slightly exaggerated) timeline.

>>Before the series starts Gai gets a raging hard-on to have the power of kings so he sends Fanservice in to go steal one of only 3 of the most valuable thing the government has (a useless character managed to steal it from -what should have been- a high security facility, with no help other than a deus-ex-macina mecha).
>>So when he has a chance to get what gave him the raging hard-on, he goes completely flaccid during a brief fight and decides to let some fail@life kid keep it.
>>Gai is then pissed and surprised when fail@life gains the power instead of him, so he forces fail@life to help the cause.
>>After causing hundreds of millions of dollars in damage and (probably) killing dozens of people, Gai decides to let bygones be bygones and lets fail@life leave, who now refers to the slaughter of people as "a once in a lifetime adventure" and looks back on it with nostalgia.
>>OH NOES somebody saw the giant battle between FunparxDespotism, he might tell Despotism, we have to find out what he knows and stop him
>>Turns out he knew everything and fail@life figured it out but didn't do anything about it, getting himself captured.
>>"Guess I have to save him, seeing as I'm an invaluable leader, and, OH YEAH, while I'm in the building wearing a fake beard that they will totally be able to recognize me in but won't do anything about it, BLOW THE BUILDING UP, so we can save a serial killer from getting justice."
>>"HOORAY! We saved a serial killer! I'm gonna go meet with some people about something, try to teach fail@life to fight while I'm gone. Oh, and this character is called Kyo, she gets 10 secs of screentime this episode and then I decide to kill her next episode because we are the only 2 people in the world immune to giant lazors from space. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"
>>"Sup? I'm injured this episode but only when its convenient for character deveopment, when it's not I can kick ass and take Fanservice's blood same as usual.
>>"You know what? I forgot we DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING FUNDING! So I'm gonna go cause a cruise ship to get attacked by Despotism by telling them exactly what I'm doing and hope to GOD that the only person who can save me, fail@life, and our only possible source of funding as well as hundreds more people from getting blown the fuck up, doesn't decide to get laid instead of being on a boat. Oh and I'm going to woo her and convince her to follow me to an empty part of the boat by insulting her, girls like that sort of thing."
>> "Turns out she DID want to get laid...by ME!...Ummm....what next? I forgOH YEAH! We should go get one of the other 2 power of kings so i can finally get rid of fail@li....what? We can't do that? HES THE MAIN CHARACTER?!?! BULLSHIT! Fine, whatever, I'm gonna go vandalize a shrine or something. Wait this isn't a shrine, this is a secret base of Despotism. I suppose we can vandalize it anyway, so long as they don't have any trained guards or security of any sort.
>>"I'm just gonna set my mind to autopilot for a while since everything is pretty much taking care of itself."
>>"Ok, so an op is goin down, hope missing what lead up to this isn't important. Fail@life, what are you doing? Don't just run, we can't do jack shit w/o you, even though we were perfectly find w/o you before, hell, we didn't even have any funding and we were fine. Why do you fail so much at life, fail@life? I lost the best boner EVER in ep1 and I'm doin just fine. You know what, gtfo. Ok everybody, fail@life is gone, now we can actually do things. So lets go attack Despotism and finish this series."
>>"OH GOD WHY!? I walked straight into that trap and now I'm stuck on a plane. Wtf, wasnt I just on a plane? I can teleport? FUCK YES! About time i got some super powers, I really hope I get to use these teleportation abilities for years to come. Hey, Fanservice, start singing so you can heal this stupid virus from me. Why am I not healing? Everybody else is...is it because I can teleport? Totally worth it. Was that fail@life I just saw running up the building? That asshole, I'm gonna have to teleport to the top of the building and have a little chat with him. Hey fail@liWTF?! OW!!! Why am i bleeding so much? Did i just get killed? Saving fail@life no less...fml."

EDIT: Spelling mostly

GodlyKyon said:


This made me laugh so much. Yes, that's right, the plot has so much(because it cannot be counted) plot holes that it's to the point I don't care what happens next sometimes.

I always wanted to know WHY the hell does Gai let Shu do those things and how did he make a terrorist organization at the age of 17, which is complete BS, he looks at least 22. he doesn't even have geass......

Trying too hard to copy Lelouch+Kamina much?

Vallaw said:



Yeah, I think the only real way that could happen is if his parents were killed by Despotism shortly after Lost Christmas. He was orphaned at the age of 7-9, then either taken in by the man who would later start Funpar, or joined Funpar and the leader decided to take him in. So years later after the original leader has shown Gai everything he knows, he dies during an op trying to save others, but ultimitely fails. So Gai does something to save the rest of Funpar and manages to win their affection/trust.

That would also explain why Kyo even exists, because all she is is a sad attempt to evoke emotion. Hold old was she, like 10? Why would anyone let a 10 year old join a resistance force? Gai was trying to do the same thing with her as what happened to him as opposed to the writers going, "You know what you guys? We should make a character, give him 15 secs of screentime, call him a main character, and then kill him off so our viewers think that anyone could die at anytime and that our scripts aren't written in crayon." "Oh, that sounds great, but we should make him a her, men don't die." "Oh shit, your right, they don't." "Maybe we should make her into a child }:3" "God man, your sick, lets do it."

iCab said:
So since this episode was actually pretty good. The next one will be shitty.

That seems to be the pattern of this show.

Articman said:
It has struck me during several episodes that Gai has a Deathwish. It's only a matter of time before the AV taskes his life. He didn't just want the Void Genome for it's power to draw voids, but because it would stop the advance of the AV, if not cure it. Without the Void Genome, Gai wants to die in a Blaze of Glory, hence his solution to the falling Kill Sat. Doing this will inspire Funeral Parlour to continue on.

Unfortunately, there is no one to take his place. Kenji Kido, might be able to step up, but how many FP members trust him like they do Gai? At a couple of points, I thought that Gai might be preparing Shu to become his replacement. Then, I came to senses. Gai has done nothing but Manipulate and Use Shu. When Shu was having his Heroic BSOD, Gai couldn't be bothered and interrupted Ayase's attempt to reach/help Shu.

GodlyKyon said:


So you are saying Gai is trying to make a failure of his organization?

Shu should've killed Gai by episode 6 to take over :p or not actually... But I think people may trust Shu is he demostrates himself in someway

Redzinx said:
Haters gonna hate, hipsters gonna hip, nerds gonna nerd.

That text walls are so much ridiculous. I wish i could find a forum with normal people that i can talk about animes.

Yes cliche anime, cliche episode, cliche everything. Still it was very enjoyable, and that's what matters.

Articman said:


Not really, Not intentionaly. But with what we saw in episode 10, before the start of the mission, Gai appears to be very aware of his own mortality and that it will be soon be impossible to hide his condition from Funeral Parlour and those supporting it. He may be seeking Death on the Battlefield before the AV leaves him like Jun and those others at the Clinic from episode 4.

As I said before, I suspect that part of Gai's reason for wanting the Void Genome, is that he believed that it could stop the spread of the AV in his body, if not Cure it. With it, he gains a new lease on life, God like powers and is one step closer to his true goal. Without it, he's facing a slow death, eventual loss of his Leadership of Funeral Parlour and his goals go unfullfilled, someone else takes his place.

mystik said:
err singing fixes everything? STUPID

the American dude died?

Shuu's father is the evil one right? with Segai?

and a last boss appears...

Shuu explaining to his friends was kinda nice, but the whole singing to stop the weird virus thing followed by who knows what else was kinda lame.

Articman said:


Not really, Not intentionaly. But with what we saw in episode 10, before the start of the mission, Gai appears to be very aware of his own mortality and that it will be soon be impossible to hide his condition from Funeral Parlour and those supporting it. He may be seeking Death on the Battlefield before the AV leaves him like Jun and those others at the Clinic from episode 4.

As I said before, I suspect that part of Gai's reason for wanting the Void Genome, is that he believed that it could stop the spread of the AV in his body, if not Cure it. With it, he gains a new lease on life, God like powers and is one step closer to his true goal. Without it, he's facing a slow death, eventual loss of his Leadership of Funeral Parlour and his goals go unfullfilled, someone else takes his place.

thekiller99 said:


Lol its scifi its not suppose to be all physic shit.. so no its not stupid...

DraconisMarch said:
This episode was fun to watch at least. Great music and visuals. Picture at the end wasn't equivalent to porn, so that's good.

Daryl killing his father and the bitch: Win.

Inori peeking around the corner and shooting at nothing on the security camera: Fail.

Crowning moment of heartwarming with Shu and his friends: Cute.

Yahiro/Jun resolution: Fail.

Evil Shu: Win.

Shu x Hare moment: Cute.

EDIT: Vallaw rant above: Epic win.

thekiller99 said:


Lol its scifi its not suppose to be all physic shit.. so no its not stupid...

DraconisMarch said:
I'm not saying I support that pairing. I'm just saying it was cute at any rate.

NinjaoftheFog said:
I highly doubt Gai is going to die here. Hare happy void can repair anything from the looks of it, so i'm sure Shu will use it to save Gai. It's predictable and cliche, but what are you going to do.

DraconisMarch said:
Yeah. The powers of Deus Ex Machina are strong in this series.

NinjaoftheFog said:


I highly doubt Gai is going to die here. Hare happy void can repair anything from the looks of it, so i'm sure Shu will use it to save Gai. It's predictable and cliche, but what are you going to do.

GodlyKyon said:
that was the end of the first season? WOW. Do not change directors ep to ep -_-

Karura_Jiinsaru said:

Amen. The constant trade in direction-writing definitely didn´t work in favour to this series...

GodlyKyon said:
If this was 1 seasoned, it would be labeled as most disappoint anime I have EVER watched

Karura_Jiinsaru said:
GC is 22 episodes long (thus making it a two season noitaminA aired anime). Why the question?

GodlyKyon said:
Ok time for my Lengthy post that I promised.(Thought probably no one remember/cares)

So, the plot so far is this. Ouma Shu, the son of Ouma Haruka, a key researcher in the so called "apocalypse Virus"(true nature still unknown), in the post apocalypse Japan after overtaken by the international organization know as GHQ. the GHQ has a unit known as the Anti-bodies, known for their cruelty and jurisdiction to kill any person they deem inflicted with the virus.

A Terrorist organization, headed by a 17 year old for unknown reasons(CODE GEASS!!! this makes me mad) tries to obtain one of the 3 only "Void Genome", But some how Shu obtains it instead. So, he is some what dragged into joining Funeral Parlor, the organization. They operate for a few episodes, do a bunch of shit. And uses his friend's genes to steal stuff for Funeral Parlor. Though this sounds interesting, all I saw was action and not reasons WHY they were doing all of this. By the clamax, a former Colleague of Shu's father steals something before Funeral Parlor. This is followed by their next missions, and Shu's father's colleague, the head of Anti-bodies, releasing the virus through a SONG?(What.) then turning a bunch of people into crystal(?? True nature of this virus still yet to be confirmed.), sending them to the sky. This is followed by Inori, the "main heroine" singing and magically stops the disease. Then a Guy, with Void Genome, takes the void out of Inori who possibly has the genome to increase other genomes' powers.

By the end, we are left with 10 times more questions than the beginning of the series unanswered and not giving a damn about Inori, Funeral Parlor(except maybe a few) members, Gai, or ANY other characters besides MAYBE Shu due to how much he angers the audience over the course of the series. And this is all hated by "fans" due to it's initial hype.

That is what I concluded, this show is such a disappointment, I will watch, but GET YOUR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER PRODUCTION I.G.!!!

JoshOfRJNN said:
Saying Guilty Crown needs Gai alive is like saying Gurren Lagann . He's a major supporting character for the main character's progress, then their death will be a big shock and a wake up call for the main character. Towards the end of the anime the main character will begin growing into the "older brother" character who died towards the beginning/middle. Makes sense to me.