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Mar 22, 2012 9:45 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Shu arriving late as Mana revived. Mana hugging Shu and badmouthing Inori. Him being mad makes Mana mad for hurting her. Her song (opera) releasing pink light and freezing people.

Gai vs. Shu. Shu lost, but Inori's voice saved him. He defeated Mana using Inori.

Gai also has blackness on his face, and returned to himself (at least he was different with his white hair). He talks about how he became like that, to release Mana from Dart not letting Mana die (about fulfilling one's mission).

Gai entrusting Shu. They are gone again and Inori's back.

Shu took everyone's void and disease away. Place collapsing and Shu in alternative space with Inori. He finally accepted the red thread, and she left him.

In the world of peaceful life. Shu's without Inori (at lease he images the world with her when listening to her song) and his arm (at least with iron arm)...
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Mar 22, 2012 9:45 AM

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From beginning to end was an excellent chapter and all those who were against Shu received his due, but Shu was very generous and managed to save some.
 
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Mar 22, 2012 9:49 AM

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So ends this season of this anime. I have to say that apart from this current episode the whole season got a solid impression on 2 fronts:

1. The melding and excellence of RELIGION + GENETICS pushing boundaries into terms coined such as “Genetic Marriage” a most interesting approach.

2. It got me emotional at the right times and it produced memorable fun times.

That being said I rate this a final 9/10! I truly enjoyed it for what it was despite it’s FLAWS! Despite is’ major PLOTHOLES! Despite all the hatred of much of its elements. Even all that, it still proved that much for my enjoyment and my interest in its terms.

One of my favorites that I can watch all the time is the following one,

SHE SHOULD HAVE DIED! Too bad but I think it goes back to that Jesus fable of a prostitute thing and that she should be sparred even though she did so much bad. I guess regret from her could be one cause. I don’t know what they were thinking. Too bad. May edit later.

BTW Rest of GIFs in the club:
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Decided to leave the variations there and some signatures of the fan service.
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Mar 22, 2012 9:51 AM
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People raging at /a/ hilarious, I knew that flower would bring her back. Didn't figure she wouldn't make it though. Oh well Shu lived which I also figured don't know if I feel trolled or just expected it to be shitty already.

Anyway for the last time.

DROPPED!.... TILL R2

On a serious note though it was a fun ride. I don't think the show is that bad but it has a lot of areas it could improve. 7/10

I think the epilog could of been a bit more cheerful, instead of showing a depressed Shu in the park I would of liked Ayase and him together <_<. Very bittersweet.
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Mar 22, 2012 9:52 AM

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a nice ending indeed. shu saved everyone and I believe the world was rid of voids as shu took everyone's void and their cancer. Inori saved him from dying by sacrificing her life when she told shu to take that cat's eye formation in her hand. It also seemed shu got his old powers back when he defeated gai so he has well had two void genom's in each hand.

the show has had it's ups and downs. give it a 9/10 just for the awesome music
 
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Mar 22, 2012 9:52 AM

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Shuu and Inori played saviour. Gai had his intention all along.

I can't say I like the ending, but it was not far from expected.



Overall, even with lots of irrationality, it still was a very good ride with highs and lows.
 
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Mar 22, 2012 9:54 AM
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I knew they were going to rush things with some kind of infodump. Best parts were Tsugumi fighting Daryl and Arisa getting shot. Was Shu supposed to be blind?

Seriously though, keeping Arisa alive = troll of the season. I want to see a sequel with the Daath dude as the antagonist.
 
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Mar 22, 2012 9:56 AM
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This last episode is sad ..i feel sad for shu he lost inori and become blind.
8/10 (because of music).Animation ,characters 5/10
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Mar 22, 2012 10:05 AM

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Oh production I.G how low have you fallen.
6/10 for keeping Arisa alive
 
Mar 22, 2012 10:20 AM

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Shu is gonna carry that guilty crown.

This show was a fucking trainwreck.
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Mar 22, 2012 10:26 AM

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For me I gotta give em praise for killing off one of the main pair. That doesn't happen often really. It's either both survive or both die.
 
Mar 22, 2012 10:34 AM

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Darklight0303 said:
For me I gotta give em praise for killing off one of the main pair. That doesn't happen often really. It's either both survive or both die.

does this makes Ayase the "winner" for Shu I wonder
 
Mar 22, 2012 10:55 AM

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If Amata loose Mikono I will rage again.
 
Mar 22, 2012 11:02 AM

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Ashikabi said:
Darklight0303 said:
For me I gotta give em praise for killing off one of the main pair. That doesn't happen often really. It's either both survive or both die.

does this makes Ayase the "winner" for Shu I wonder
LOL guess it does in a way
 
Mar 22, 2012 11:03 AM

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game8910 said:
Oh production I.G how low have you fallen.
6/10 for keeping Arisa alive


The same for me.

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If Amata loose Mikono I will rage again.


As long as Kagura and Zessica live Im fine with it.

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Mar 22, 2012 11:15 AM

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Shu really has been pissed over throughout the whole show. Now he not only lost the girl that he loves, but is also blind. You gotta feel for him.
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Mar 22, 2012 11:34 AM

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No matter how much i hated everything, liked it's partially what got me out of bed on friday mornings. 8/10
 
Mar 22, 2012 12:00 PM

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it such a sad ending, wish that things turned out differently, but what would you expect from the director that created Death Note. I hope that there will be another season since this is a ready awesome anime
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The final episode was horrible. I expected an epic battle, more Mana, Inori using her fighting skills once more, but none of that happened in a satisfying way. Even music and animation felt way out of place this time.

The anime could have done much better with a few episodes more, but still it was good and entertaining overall for most of the time. 7/10
 
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Ashikabi said:
Darklight0303 said:
For me I gotta give em praise for killing off one of the main pair. That doesn't happen often really. It's either both survive or both die.

does this makes Ayase the "winner" for Shu I wonder
I would say yes since she survies. TBH I think what makes Ayase famous is the following,

and it's subesequent other parts like that. What's really ironic is that they put it in the last episode.

Even more Ironic of Tsugumi in the following,

and in the spoiler
oh the irony that makes her a winner. I don't know what people think of the obvious higher fan service but personally I found it appealing to leave for males some S.S.D. neural saved ecchi memories of them. It's another way of showing they are winners. Well a way of seeing things on the ecchi side.

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Mar 22, 2012 12:30 PM
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Aw shit
 
Mar 22, 2012 12:32 PM

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The ending was good, but would have been excellent if Shu died as well, and if it was not so rushed :< I give it 8/10

Mana's dancing scene was awesome
Gai vs Shu fight sucked >:(
Missed that song <3
Ecchi moment of Ayase and Tsugumi = fail, cancer that almost killed anime
Cant' say any more since I saw RAW version :(
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Mar 22, 2012 12:34 PM
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It's such a bittersweet ending...
He lost Inori,Gai and Mana(again)..
He'll never be able to see Inori again...
Really bittersweet..
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I can't believe I wasted my time on this..6 Months..
Seriously Shu and Arisa should have died along with Mana,Gai,Inori and Kenji.
Happy End.
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Mar 22, 2012 12:35 PM

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It's such a bittersweet ending...
He lost Inori,Gai and Mana(again)..
He'll never be able to see Inori again...
Really bittersweet..

Hey, he still has Ayase
 
Mar 22, 2012 12:40 PM
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Ending cud have been so much better >_>
 
Mar 22, 2012 12:54 PM

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The ending was okay. But i expected something else :/
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I expected Inori to die but I wasn't satisfied with the ending at all. The series could have been better if it had 26 episodes than 22.
 
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Alvster said:
It's such a bittersweet ending...
He lost Inori,Gai and Mana(again)..
He'll never be able to see Inori again...
Really bittersweet..


He will never be able to see anyone again.
 
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*Ahem*

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

3/10
 
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How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.
 
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I expected Inori to die but I wasn't satisfied with the ending at all. The series could have been better if it had 26 episodes than 22.
I Agree it was too short and didn't ended great.
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How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.


Seriously? He absorbed an entire city's worth of the apocalypse virus. Its a miracle he *only* went blind. Its a miracle he's alive at all.

I was quite happy when Shu went to die with Inori. That seemed like the perfect ending to me...as both them bore the guilt for their actions, and would atone through death. Unfortunately, Inori tricked Shu into living while she went off and died. Sweet on her part, but IG goes and punishes Shu anyway by making him blind as well and missing a limb. I really think they just enjoy punishing their main character. I get the whole "guilty crown" concept, but Shu isnt the only guy that should have to bear it.

Gai got to go off and die. Everyone else got to go off and die. Why couldn't Shu have his heroic death?? As it stands, Gai had a better ending than Shu did lol
 
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Subs where are you ?! D:
 
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"You're really a good boy, aren't you!?!?" IS WHAT THAT GUY SAID TO DARYL. THE TEARS. THIS LAST EPISODE. ASL:DKFA:LSDKFA:LSDKFA:KSD:LAKSD:KASLDF

I wonder what Tsugumi said to him.

DAMMIT. INORI DIED. -sob- ALSDF:ALSDKF:LAKSDF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! D': And she was such an awesome person too. I cried so hard. ALSDFASKDFL:ASDF

Hare's birthday? D':
 
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T^T why it ending!!!
 
Mar 22, 2012 1:38 PM

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it's a pity but it was the worst ep. of this show.
why the f***g hell is shu blind now???
 
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FakeDeath93 said:
How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.


Seriously? He absorbed an entire city's worth of the apocalypse virus. Its a miracle he *only* went blind. Its a miracle he's alive at all.

I was quite happy when Shu went to die with Inori. That seemed like the perfect ending to me...as both them bore the guilt for their actions, and would atone through death. Unfortunately, Inori tricked Shu into living while she went off and died. Sweet on her part, but IG goes and punishes Shu anyway by making him blind as well and missing a limb. I really think they just enjoy punishing their main character. I get the whole "guilty crown" concept, but Shu isnt the only guy that should have to bear it.

Gai got to go off and die. Everyone else got to go off and die. Why couldn't Shu have his heroic death?? As it stands, Gai had a better ending than Shu did lol


Well, how did Inori save Shu???By taking that red band?
Why make him blind? Major plothole. It doesn't matter now that the show has ended.
 
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FakeDeath93 said:
amradio said:
FakeDeath93 said:
How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.


Seriously? He absorbed an entire city's worth of the apocalypse virus. Its a miracle he *only* went blind. Its a miracle he's alive at all.

I was quite happy when Shu went to die with Inori. That seemed like the perfect ending to me...as both them bore the guilt for their actions, and would atone through death. Unfortunately, Inori tricked Shu into living while she went off and died. Sweet on her part, but IG goes and punishes Shu anyway by making him blind as well and missing a limb. I really think they just enjoy punishing their main character. I get the whole "guilty crown" concept, but Shu isnt the only guy that should have to bear it.

Gai got to go off and die. Everyone else got to go off and die. Why couldn't Shu have his heroic death?? As it stands, Gai had a better ending than Shu did lol


Well, how did Inori save Shu???By taking that red band?
Why make him blind? Major plothole. It doesn't matter now that the show has ended.


You must seriously be the type to want every single detail explained to the letter in a work. Honestly *rolls eyes*
 
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Daryl being saved!!! That part!!! I almost cried!!!
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A wasted potential, lot of plotholes / illogical , awesome music, great art, fun to watch. 8/10
Sigh... it could have been better
 
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sad but sweet ending.
 
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FakeDeath93 said:
amradio said:
FakeDeath93 said:
How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.


Seriously? He absorbed an entire city's worth of the apocalypse virus. Its a miracle he *only* went blind. Its a miracle he's alive at all.

I was quite happy when Shu went to die with Inori. That seemed like the perfect ending to me...as both them bore the guilt for their actions, and would atone through death. Unfortunately, Inori tricked Shu into living while she went off and died. Sweet on her part, but IG goes and punishes Shu anyway by making him blind as well and missing a limb. I really think they just enjoy punishing their main character. I get the whole "guilty crown" concept, but Shu isnt the only guy that should have to bear it.

Gai got to go off and die. Everyone else got to go off and die. Why couldn't Shu have his heroic death?? As it stands, Gai had a better ending than Shu did lol


Well, how did Inori save Shu???By taking that red band?
Why make him blind? Major plothole. It doesn't matter now that the show has ended.
YOU WANT IN ONE WHOLE THING?

Basically it's Inori sacrifices herself to take all the shit from Shu that was bad else he would die. There are side effects to that BTW. Thus him blind. There, DID THAT HELP?

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Too much plotholes and questions unaswered, 2 season is coming???
 
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NOOO T__T IT ALL ENDS TODAY *Goes watch now*

Honestly, though. There should be another season. I'd like another season to elaborate on Tsugumi's backstory (the fact that she stated how she grew up all alone got me kind of curious)
 
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I'm not sure what they were trying to do with the Inori dieing at the end thing. I guess I do understand that in order to release Mana and make her destructive nature disappear, Inori herself would need to be sacrificed.

If it was to garner emotion, it didn't. If they wanted that they should have done a better job giving her more personality and screen time earlier in the show.

The whole episode was super rushed. They tried to fit an entire multiple battle sequence in 20 minutes with at least two long winded flashback scenes.

Arisa survived. I actually thought that was interesting. I always felt that her fragile scared emotions was understandable. Her action for the most part given her being manipulated was also understandable. I didn't get the raging hate that some had felt for her. Would be interesting what they did with her character.

Ayase and Tsumugi survived. Thank god. the world needs fan service girls.

Seriously, did they have to go all Neon Genesis Evangelion with the Daryl and Lt guy scene at the elevator? I thought the scene in Evangelion was stupid.. This one was just as bad. How about shoot out the floor control panel and YOU BOTH GET IN THE ELEVATOR, STUPID.

Overall, I gave the show a 6 of 10. Way too much plot inconsistency and annoying character development for my taste. I think they tried WAY to hard to make everything about the show mega epic and failed spectacularly. The series could have been much better if the storyline was more simpler.

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Shu going blind would've held more weight if it was a consequence that was specifically built up to ahead of time.

Seriously, that's depressing. He's a blind guy who's a shell of his former self, who lost his sister(albeit weird) and best friend, and love interest. His great comfort is listening to recordings of Inori sing and sitting in parks.

His life is over, he might as well be dead.


Christ, your so right. They make it look like all he has are memories of lost loved ones. He would have been better off dead.

The birthday party for Hare on top of it.
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Shu going blind would've held more weight if it was a consequence that was specifically built up to ahead of time.

Seriously, that's depressing. He's a blind guy who's a shell of his former self, who lost his sister(albeit weird) and best friend, and love interest. His great comfort is listening to recordings of Inori sing and sitting in parks.

His life is over, he might as well be dead.
 
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I'm surprise Mana's void is Inori's sword lol. Inori's death was expected by me, and what happened to gai?? I'm also really happy that they were at Hare's B-day party, they all remembered the best character in the show.
 
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Well It was a good ending but Kenji die TAT
And I still don't know did Daryl die or not ? I know that Rowan saved him but ...
So did he ?
Inori die too ...
And I think Ayase end up with Shu since she cried when they think he die !
Or Shu forever alone ? ( You know Hare and Inori )
I don't think there will be S2 =/
 
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Yumekichi11 said:
FakeDeath93 said:
amradio said:
FakeDeath93 said:
How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.


Seriously? He absorbed an entire city's worth of the apocalypse virus. Its a miracle he *only* went blind. Its a miracle he's alive at all.

I was quite happy when Shu went to die with Inori. That seemed like the perfect ending to me...as both them bore the guilt for their actions, and would atone through death. Unfortunately, Inori tricked Shu into living while she went off and died. Sweet on her part, but IG goes and punishes Shu anyway by making him blind as well and missing a limb. I really think they just enjoy punishing their main character. I get the whole "guilty crown" concept, but Shu isnt the only guy that should have to bear it.

Gai got to go off and die. Everyone else got to go off and die. Why couldn't Shu have his heroic death?? As it stands, Gai had a better ending than Shu did lol


Well, how did Inori save Shu???By taking that red band?
Why make him blind? Major plothole. It doesn't matter now that the show has ended.
YOU WANT IN ONE WHOLE THING?

Basically it's Inori sacrifices herself to take all the shit from Shu that was bad else he would die. There are side effects to that BTW. Thus him blind. There, DID THAT HELP?


Okay it did help but still the ending felt so rushed.They did not give us enough closure basically.
 
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FakeDeath93 said:
Yumekichi11 said:
FakeDeath93 said:
amradio said:
FakeDeath93 said:
How the hell did Shu go blind??Major plotholes man.
I can understand him losing him arm but losing his sight?Seriously.
The ending was bittersweet although i think that Shu should have died along with Inori would be better.


Seriously? He absorbed an entire city's worth of the apocalypse virus. Its a miracle he *only* went blind. Its a miracle he's alive at all.

I was quite happy when Shu went to die with Inori. That seemed like the perfect ending to me...as both them bore the guilt for their actions, and would atone through death. Unfortunately, Inori tricked Shu into living while she went off and died. Sweet on her part, but IG goes and punishes Shu anyway by making him blind as well and missing a limb. I really think they just enjoy punishing their main character. I get the whole "guilty crown" concept, but Shu isnt the only guy that should have to bear it.

Gai got to go off and die. Everyone else got to go off and die. Why couldn't Shu have his heroic death?? As it stands, Gai had a better ending than Shu did lol


Well, how did Inori save Shu???By taking that red band?
Why make him blind? Major plothole. It doesn't matter now that the show has ended.
YOU WANT IN ONE WHOLE THING?

Basically it's Inori sacrifices herself to take all the shit from Shu that was bad else he would die. There are side effects to that BTW. Thus him blind. There, DID THAT HELP?


Okay it did help but still the ending felt so rushed.They did not give us enough closure basically.
NO and I agree but look forward to the BDs maybe they might extend the last episode. They do that sometimes with some animes. If they want RESPECT and $$$ obvious is obvious. They should do it. So far this series is selling like candy. Seems loads of students can come with a identity to most characters in this series and I think that was the poignant aspect of this series while in stuff like Symphogear it's harder due to its more fictional approach then this series's fiction.

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