Tsundere lead character?

plasma38 said:
Haruhi is a tsundere lead. Maybe just tsun without dere. But it is rare cause tsundere is a sexual fantasy of girls in real life. IRL otakus get rejected by girls and get treated harshly by them. In their escapism entertainment they dream that those bitches actually just fake their hostility to hide their affection. This only works if the tsundere is in a romantic relationship with mc-kun. As an MC of an Anime this wouldn't work.

Paul said:
Kaichou wa Maid Sama. She is a tsundere and the story is from her perspective. While a lot of others named above are tsunderes and main characters, the series does not focus from their perspective.

ItsMaz said:
It depends on what type of tsundere you're looking at.

Victorique from Gosick is a tsundere, I believe, but you'll have to ask @zefyris on that since they're more knowledgeable on this than I am.
She's also far better than the vast majority of them, whilst being the lead character.

plasma38 said:
Haruhi is a tsundere lead. Maybe just tsun without dere. But it is rare cause tsundere is a sexual fantasy of girls in real life. IRL otakus get rejected by girls and get treated harshly by them. In their escapism entertainment they dream that those bitches actually just fake their hostility to hide their affection. This only works if the tsundere is in a romantic relationship with mc-kun. As an MC of an Anime this wouldn't work.

ambrose7 said:
Toradora ? Taiga is a perfect example of tsundere.

DoctorSexy said:


Mikoto Misaka from Railgun.......

Zefyris said:

Railgun works just fine.

omfgplzstop said:

I know lol. You missed the double 'not,' which cancels itself.

Zefyris said:

Victorique is a main character but the protagonist (if I understand what the OP want by "lead character here,because AFAIK in english lead character = protagonist ?) is Kujou, not her.

Same for Zero no Tsukaima,shakugan no Shana and so on. they are main characters and the main girls, but not the lead character.


I love it when haters show their absence of knowledge themselves so blatantly.
Haruhi isn't even a tsundere. To confuse Haruhi with a tsundere, you must have a reaaaally low understanding of that concept. So obviously anything else y usaid in your post is to be considered with this in mind. And hoooh, what do we see. Affirmations that reeks of ignorance and prejudice. Where did you pull that idea from? Wait. Don't answer that part, I don't want to know.


Taiga isn't even a Tsundere to begin with. That's going to be difficult to make her a "perfect example". Granted, there's at least good reasons to confuse her with a tsundere, compared to the mistake done above with haruhi but... Sorry, she isn't. That's a common mistake on English speaking boards.



THIS is a correct answer -if I understood OP's question properly-. She is the lead character/protagonist in Railgun, she is a tsundere.

ambrose7 said:
Say what? Why isn't Taiga a tsundere ?

ambrose7 said:


Say what? Why isn't Taiga a tsundere ?

Zefyris said:


I should really start to save those explanations to avoid typng them again and again lol...

Because "Tsundere" is a japanese slang referring to being unable to be honest with his/her dere feelings toward someone/a group of person, and therefore being harsh toward those persons to hide those feelings with embarrassment.
It's basically an exaggerated version of the young boy who has a crush on a girl and keep pestering her/being harsh toward her because he cannot be honest.
Aisaka Taiga is the exact contrary of this.
She is violent toward anyone that she isn't in love with. She's very honest about her feelings. In fact she even confess to her love target right in the first volume. And then when she hear from her second love target that it's okay to be with him, she jumps immediately in his arms and say she won't ever let him go. Furthermore, she stopped being harsh toward that second love target before realizing she was in love with him. So yeah, she's honest about her feelings, harsh with others but not toward her love target.

The reason peoples confuses her with a tsundere is multiple.
1) She's voiced by the tsundere queen. Doesn't help at all.
2)She has a violent character and fall in love. Peoples on English board easily confuses this as being tsundere because they don't understand the slang. Being violent isn't being a tsundere. And obviously ANYONE can fall in love. This doesn't make those who are violent tsundere. Being violent is a CONSEQUENCE of their embarrassment when they're with their love target, IE being violent (with words or physically) is not the cause of calling her a tsundere, it is a consequence of the character being a tsundere (and not systematic to boot).
Peoples on English boards needs to understand already that if a girl kick you in the balls because she thought you were trying to molest her, and then 3 months later falls in love with you, this won't make her a tsundere. Tsundere is a PERSONALITY trait (and usually an exaggerated one). Not a succession of event. Taiga has a violent personality. But not a tsundere personality.

3) When peoples on English boards explain to others what a tsundere is, they often take Taiga as an example (among others). Which basically means that any fan new to the term will therefore wrongly think for a tsundere definition that "Tsundere is basically a character that act like Taiga "
So obviously if you are taught wrongly like that, then is someone tells you afterwards that she isn't a Tsundere you aren't going to understand what the fuck the guy is talking about.
Let's say you never heard about the word "pink". And then I explain it to you like that "pink is the colour of a tomato". Oh, ok. And then afterwards someone correct you by saying "but tomato aren't pink". WTF is he talking about. Pink is the colour of tomatoes. So obviously tomatoes are pink".

BTW, because just saying that tsundere is "this and not that" and then saying that " X character isn't this so she's not" could be considered personal opinion, I'll add to this the proofs I used on wikipedia.
For the little story, until December 2015, the english WIkipedia page for tsundere was using wrongly Taiga as an example.
Obviously none of what I say above would have convinced them otherwise, yes? What they need to change it is proofs, IE reliable sources showing that taking Taiga as a Tsundere example wasn't correct. Here is what happened behind the scenes :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tsundere
(look at the "Removing Aisaka Taiga as an example" in the bottom of the page). I provide several links and proofs. As the result, they immediately removed Taiga as an example and put Louise and Nagi as an example instead.
Those proofs include an extract from the official book of Toradora called <<とらドラ!>> おつかれさまでした!.


I'll add to finish that this mistake is only that frequent on non-japanese anime boards. If you try going to Japanese boards, you'll see that Taiga is far more logically viewed as a non-tsundere by anime otaku.
And who are the better at knowing what a japanese slang means? Japanese anime otaku or English anime fans?

Zefyris said:


I should really start to save those explanations to avoid typng them again and again lol...

Because "Tsundere" is a japanese slang referring to being unable to be honest with his/her dere feelings toward someone/a group of person, and therefore that character keep being "harsh " toward those persons to hide those feelings due to their embarrassment.
It's basically an exaggerated version of the "young boy who has a crush on a girl and keep pestering her/being harsh toward her because he cannot be honest".
Aisaka Taiga is the exact contrary of this.
-She is violent toward anyone that she isn't in love with.
-She's very honest about her feelings. In fact she even confessed to her love target right in the first volume (how many non-tsudnere characters are that quick and honest actually?). And then when she heard from her second love target that it's okay to go out with him, she jumps immediately in his arms and say she won't ever let him go. Furthermore, she stopped being harsh toward that second love target BEFORE realizing she was in love with him. So yeah, she's honest about her feelings, harsh with others but not toward her love target.

The reason peoples confuse her with a tsundere are multiple.
1) She's voiced by the tsundere queen. Doesn't help at all. But as a reminder, lots of non-tsundere characters are voiced by her too).
2)She has a violent personality and fall in love. Peoples on English boards easily confuses this as being tsundere, because they don't understand the slang's meaning. Being violent isn't being a tsundere. And obviously ANYONE can fall in love. This doesn't make those who are violent tsundere. Being violent is a CONSEQUENCE of their embarrassment when they're with their love target, IE being violent (with words or physically) is not the cause of calling her a tsundere, it is a consequence of the character being a tsundere (and not systematic to boot).
Peoples on English boards needs to understand already that if a girl kick you in the balls because she thought you were trying to molest her, and then 3 months later falls in love with you, this won't make her a tsundere. Tsundere is a PERSONALITY trait (and usually an exaggerated one). Not a succession of event. Taiga has a violent personality. But not a tsundere personality.

3) When peoples on English boards explain to others what a tsundere is, they have a tendency to take Taiga as an example (among others). Which basically means that many fans new to the slang will therefore wrongly have as a tsundere definition that "Tsundere is basically a character that act like Taiga "
So obviously if you are taught wrongly like that, then is someone tells you afterwards that she isn't a Tsundere, you aren't going to understand what the fuck the guy is talking about.
Let's say you never heard about the word "pink". And then I explain it to you like that "pink is the colour of a tomato". Oh, ok, I get it! And then long afterwards someone suddenly correct you by saying "but tomatoes aren't pink". WTF is he talking about. Pink is the colour of tomatoes. So obviously tomatoes are pink".

BTW, because just saying that tsundere is "this and not that" and then saying that " X character isn't this so she's not" could be considered to be merely my "personal opinion", I'll add to this the proofs I used for wikipedia.
For the little story, until December 2015, the english Wikipedia page for "tsundere" was using wrongly Taiga as an example.
Obviously none of what I say above would have convinced them otherwise, yes? What they need to change it is proofs, IE reliable sources showing that taking Taiga as a Tsundere example wasn't correct. Here is what happened behind the scenes :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tsundere
(look at the "Removing Aisaka Taiga as an example" in the bottom of the page). I provided several links and proofs. As the result, they immediately removed Taiga as an example and put Louise and Nagi as an example instead.
Those proofs include an extract from the official book of Toradora called <<とらドラ!>> おつかれさまでした!.


I'll add to finish that this mistake is only that frequent on non-japanese anime boards. If you try going to Japanese boards, you'll see that Taiga is far more logically viewed as a non-tsundere by anime otaku.
And who are better at knowing what a Japanese slang means? Japanese anime otaku or English anime fans?

JustALEX said:
I don't get the hate for Tsunderes around here....

OK....they are not the most likable, but they are intriguing, if only for their bipolar attitude....

Actually, growing up, one of my favorite shows was Nickelodeon's Hey Arnold....I didn't know it back then, but it had one of the BEST tsunderes to ever be animated...