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DeathfireD said: Once again, I have to disagree with you. The fact that everyone around you is pushing their issues on you and see you either as an active (misaki) or passive (haruka) solution to them doesn't necessarily make you strong. It only makes them weaker than you as they are unable to solve their problems on their own. You don't see Rina bitch and cry to Touya for some reason. She and probably Yayoi still have some strong attitude but the lesser is a bit on the shaky ground.Except his character is portrayed as a strong individual from the start of the series up until now. Everyone in the show sees him as such because each has their own personal issues and the shows been pushing on these issues throughout the whole series (ie. Rina's past, Haruka's brother dieing, Misaki's drama, mana's antisocial behavior), but in actuality he's no different from anyone else. His issues are starting to show up one after another (family problems, failure to just say no to anyone, taking on to much at one time). On the other side of the street, Touya's issues aren't starting to show, they were there right from the start. The way he handles them is what makes him weak and pitiful. DeathfireD said: Not necessarily. It still can be an attachment to his big teenage relationship instead of actual love. At their age with his level of maturity it's quite possible he would cry about it just the same way. However from what I've seen so far I'd say he might as well cried because he was sorry for himself instead crying over the fact that he doesn't understand Yuki's feelings. If he cares so much about her why he cheats on her (or why he cries about all this to the other woman he's sleeping with)? He's channeling his emotions towards the wrong person? That still doesn't solve the issue with his lack of a backbone. And with that we're back to the point where he is weak and pitiful.As for him loving her, I think that when he broke down crying in the car asking what Yuki's true feelings where it showed how much he cares about her. Any man that cries over a girl undoubtedly has some form of love for her especially since he's crying for her and not anyone else. As for making him look weak....well it only shows that he cares for her that much more don't you think? DeathfireD said: I actually agree with this ^^In the end both Yuki and Touya are the problem. It only takes one of them to confront the other and explain what their feeling. If neither does that then it's going to result in a huge cluster fuck. It's already starting to show now that Rina knows somethings up and Yuki think's Touya got the note. |
the_seventh_l said: Dear Touya: Fucking break up with Yuki already. It's not going to work. Argh. Stick with Rina or Haruka, plz. Couldn't agree more with you here. All this messing around and cheating on her will only make it worse. And tbh, I don't think Yuki is good for him. He needs a strong female to keep him in check. Chiperdada said: RAWR Why are the sick ones always so hot...? >_< |
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DeathfireD said: Except his character is portrayed as a strong individual from the start of the series up until now. Everyone in the show sees him as such because each has their own personal issues and the shows been pushing on these issues throughout the whole series (ie. Rina's past, Haruka's brother dieing, Misaki's drama, mana's antisocial behavior), but in actuality he's no different from anyone else. His issues are starting to show up one after another (family problems, failure to just say no to anyone, taking on to much at one time). @noteDhero - but the problem is he's not roactive at all nor is Yuki. He's passive, take a look at what he's done so far. Anytime anyone needs help with something or shows interest in him he just accepts it and goes with the flow. If Yuki doesn't confront him then nothing will happen. On the flip side if he doesn't pick up the phone she wont talk to him in person lol. She's had countless time's where she saw him in person but did absolutely nothing to confirm his feelings for her or find out why he's been avoiding her. It's not all the guys fault! She's clearly made from the same mold and it's no wonder that they hooked up in the first place. Now the problem is she finally did something proactive and wrote him a note conveying some for of affection and expected him to get it. If he doesn't show up to her show this is when things are gonna go downhill. As for him loving her, I think that when he broke down crying in the car asking what Yuki's true feelings where it showed how much he cares about her. Any man that cries over a girl undoubtedly has some form of love for her especially since he's crying for her and not anyone else. As for making him look weak....well it only shows that he cares for her that much more don't you think? In the end both Yuki and Touya are the problem. It only takes one of them to confront the other and explain what their feeling. If neither does that then it's going to result in a huge cluster fuck. It's already starting to show now that Rina knows somethings up and Yuki think's Touya got the note. He is presented as a strong character, but he is portrayed and characterized as quite the opposite. The reason why I don't have as big of a problem with Yuki is because we are constantly subjected to her thoughs and then her actions being the complete opposite of them. For all I know, Yuuki is fine with the relationship how it is. It's a matter of insight. But you are right in that she shares the blame. I just think that if Touya is going to complain so much, he needs to do something about it and not cheat on his girlfriend. This is playing out much more as a teenage infatuation than it is love. They really are tossing around that word much too much for my comfort. I agree with Kvakond in that Touya is crying more out of self-pity and frustration than he is crying for Yuuki, so that when Yayoi comes on with these advancements, since his view of himself seems to be so low (most likely becasue of the way his father treats him) he give in to the first person who pays attention to at least his sexual desire. |
| I'm just putting this out there....is it that bad to get r*ped by Yayoi? |
| why does yuki wants to be an idol in the first place? I have to agree that their relationship is not even close. if touya can ignore yuki for so long that shows something. if yuki really does loves him. why would she let being an idol get in between them. all touya needs to do is tell yuki to choose him or being an idol. then the yaoi fans can be happy :) |
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noteDhero said: since his view of himself seems to be so low (most likely becasue of the way his father treats him) he give in to the first person who pays attention to at least his sexual desire. hmm.. and something vice-versa has always been on my mind - I think the way Touya's father treats him is because Touya is so low. That is, I think Touya didn't reach his dad's expectations. Do you remeber the conversation between Touya and Zashiki Warashi (gosh, I adore this name ^^) when he came as her tutor for the first time? He tried to explain her why it's important to be good at studying. He used hiw own life as an example. And what she replied was something like: "I don't need to do anything to enter the university you're studying in, cos it's very low-class and no exams are required." or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording. So to my mind, it was Touya's mum who made that big impact on Touya. Or to be more precise, her death made Touya so aloof to his own life. I think his dad is upset and angry because his only son failed as a Man, failed to enter a university, failed to become self-reliable and self-dependant person. |
| Could be true, but I think you're digging deep if you think that he wasn't like this previous to his mother's death, since we have no way of knowing. If were talking pre-Touya's mom kicking the bucket, then I feel like he was always like this, and his mother probably coddled and spoiled him with affection and attention to the point that he really never learned to be self reliant, and always seeking the affection of women. |
| Just got a chance to catch the episode -- great one! It really put the way the characters have been acting in the last few episodes into perspective. In particular, Rina's interest in Touya, even though she doesn't seem to realize it herself, is a lot clearer. And, to top it off, her face at the end was simply priceless! I'm enjoying this show more and more as it goes along. DeathfireD said: I don't understand what was so funny about Touya braking down and crying. Agreed -- though I understand why the seeming unexpectedness of it could create that response, depending on opinion of the show and possibly level of maturity. Shin-kun said: this show is just getting better and better , i love the ways its just twisting and bending so realistically =Ds Doubly agreed. DeathfireD said: I like the show but I hate the "fans" for it lol. So far the series has been decent but all I hear is bitch bitch bitch on the forums about how bad it's been :P. Suck it up guys and stop complaining. If it's so bad then drop it and move on with your lives. I think it's very interesting to read that so many people don't seem to be enjoying it. At the same time, I've also noticed a lot of people seem to be having a hard time following the subtleties of what the characters are doing and going through, asking for explanation, blatantly misunderstanding things, etc. Now, I haven't been keeping track, so I don't know if these two groups match up, but I can certainly say that I'm enjoying it and feeling like I'm watching it on a closer level than others seem to imply they are. Maybe there's a correlation there? (Which is not to say that you can't watch it on a close level and not like it.) Forever said: Moreover we live in a society where a man crying is a sign of weakness and young male teens think that it is a very shameful & embarrassing thing. Excellent point. Triply agreed. Forever said: I also think the term "raped by yayoi" is not really appropriate. Of course I know it sounds funny and all, but he is only getting constantly seduced by her until he was too weak to resist any more one day (though I couldn't understand in the first place why he would still let her drive him home when she was doing all those despicable things like bribing him). Now they have a common sex relationship (with motivation on both sides) , though I'm still not sure what I should think about Yayoi and her moves. It's actually really exciting to see how this will turn out. If you insist we can call Touya her love slave! :P I think this is a good assessment of the situation, though personally I had been assuming at least a third base sexual relationship in the earlier encounters -- I mean they are both adults and this is the 80's. That may or may not concur with what you're saying though. In any case, based on this, I definitely wouldn't characterize this as rape. |
chicanerousMar 19, 2009 11:33 PM
| Well, in a drama scene if something like that happened it should be assume as having sex. I don't think they actually need to show what exactly happened there for us to understand that they are having sex. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Finally got around to watching this. Was an alright episode, Touya crying was a little unexpected though. I liked Haruka and Mana's scene (you could really hear the !Nagi in her voice). |
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| Crying itself isn't pathetic, and I can understand why Touya was crying, but he did sound kind of funny when he was crying. I don't know why, it might be because I know someone who kind of cries and yet tries to talk at the same time like Touya did. Some people seem to take issue with the unexpected nature of the tears, but I thought it was quite well done. He was talking about all that other nonsense (regarding Haruka, the little girl, his Senpai, etc) because he was trying to forget about Yuki, and then when Yayoi asked him about her, he couldn't ignore it any more. That's why he started crying at that moment. Despite some obvious flaws, I'm still enjoying this show to some degree. It seems realistic yet kind of surreal at the same time. |
OranSolusMar 22, 2009 9:00 PM
| Your search on "Oran Solus" returned the following quotes: "Oran Solus? I know him. What a wanker. He still owes me a tenner." Oscar Wilde "Oran, you're so intelligent and awesome <3" Bakayaro "Oran's sexy." LolitaDecay "Oran is a sophisticated penguin." Drybananna "Oran is a Hand-Eye you faggots." EddieSpaghetti "Oran for Prime Minister." the_prime_one "Oran is all that is stated in his sig and more." orbitzz |
| Yayoi FTW! Touya's crying makes me lol for some no reason. I will watch this series until the final episode. |
| Whoa! Last time I checked this anime was only supposed to consist of 12 episodes! And it's getting a 2nd season as well? :O Well no wonder that the storyline seemed so feeble and slow paced... Anyway, Rina's shocked face was something ^^ FF said: The crying made me laugh because it was pathetic. Yea sorta... |
| Shinozuka-san... Ogata Rina.. I wonder how things will turn out... |
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| Just when I started to think that Rina was trying to help Yuki and Touya's relationship. Appartently no one in this series wants them to be together. Touya actually broke down and cried because he misses Yuki and Yayoi just took advantage of that when she clearly knows Yuki is trying to get in touch with him. But what right does Touya have to get upset about not knowing Yuki's feelings. He's all upset because she hasn't gotten in touch with him or told him about her concert, but how she is suppose to when he's never home to answer his phone. First, he was off 'helping' Misaki with her costumes. Then, he's always off with Yayoi till late at night or early in the morning. And now, he's off prouncing around being Rina's audience. He annoys me to a crazy level. But then again, everyone in this series except for Yuki does. |
| Fuck Touya, I feel like punching his face in. In the end Rina is like wtf man? He is so messed up even Naruto can't believe it. |
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| I didn't know that the show is based in 1986!!? |
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| Seriously, I'm the only one here who found disgusting that Yaoi licked Touya's tears? :/ Anyway Touya is so fucked up in the head now, just right now when he needs Yuki the most he gets seduced by such a fucking devil woman; he got him right in the weak spot. |
| Still disappointed in Fujii... 100% my hypothesis... Yayoi doesn't care one bit about Fujii. She is kissing him and these stupid late night car sessions to make him stray from Yuki. It's her duty to protect Yuki, but I think she's got the wrong idea... My guess is that she is only doing and messing with his head so he stays out of Yuki's way and her becoming an idol. I think Rina finally knows somethings going on. Why she ripped up the note... I think Rina knows that Yayoi's trying to keep Yuki's relationship under the covers and 'out of her way'. That 'I've got a meeting with Shinozuka-san.' Was a dead giveaway. I hope Rina slaps him. I'm starting to like Rina. ^_^ As for Fujii's current feelings... I think he doesn't quite understand what the heck he is doing with Yayoi and finding an answer while wondering about what Yuki's feelings are. I mean, her feelings would be definite if Yayoi wasn't doing this... So basically, his head is in a spin because of the manager. So basically... what I am saying... Shinozuka-san must die... -_-. |
| more afffari! |
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| Is he totally dump ? wtf Dude either brake up or don't cheat.. i can't watch this any longer. He got perfect chick, even idol, he seems to love her yet he's going around and doing that and this with plenty of other girls. Facepalm Sent with Mal Updater It's like cheap porno mixed with drama " yo, I'm Touya" "Nice to meet ya, I'm manager of your GF and i'm too obvious in waht im doing , trying to separate you two, look at licking skills " *censorship* 5 mins later - new chick same thing just different positions The end + drama - he cheats here with her , she lies to him , her, them , He realized his feelings but then he realized that what he realized 1st time wasn't it so he needs to realized something new just so he can realize that 1st thing actually was "it" |
greenmartyFeb 5, 2012 10:43 AM
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| Why is he not dead yet? =_= |
| Touya is like a fkin child. Easily influenced and cries like a little bitch! LOL |
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| Dat manager in a nutshell: |
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| It'll be interesting to see where this is going. I expect to see more drama. |
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| Rina's my favorite character but it's hard not to get a kick out of her reaction at the end when Touya tells her he has a meeting with Yayoi. |
| My tear lick was pretty hot. |
| While it did start out ok, they way that it's going is just so bad that it's good. Let me paraphrase the part where Touya starts crying: "Oh no, my gf didn't tell me her feelings while I was hooking up with my childhood friend and her manager. How could she do that to me?!" I'm really only watching for the christmas cake action right now since I'm not really interested in anyone else. Rina is even feeling bad that he't not hanging out with her but with Yayoi. I also don't know why Yuki doesn't say anything about all this. Maybe she really is that dependent or weak but it's really sad. I really have to think hard about whether I'll continue watching the 2nd part. |
| -Nothing can stay unchanged. Even so, can you still keep on loving this place? -Be still my soul; when change and tears are past, all safe and blessed we shall meet at last. |
phantom19 said: While it did start out ok, they way that it's going is just so bad that it's good. Let me paraphrase the part where Touya starts crying: "Oh no, my gf didn't tell me her feelings while I was hooking up with my childhood friend and her manager. How could she do that to me?!" I'm really only watching for the christmas cake action right now since I'm not really interested in anyone else. Rina is even feeling bad that he't not hanging out with her but with Yayoi. I also don't know why Yuki doesn't say anything about all this. Maybe she really is that dependent or weak but it's really sad. I really have to think hard about whether I'll continue watching the 2nd part. kind agree, each time i finish a episode im asking myself, should i stop to watch this show? HOW pathetic is this guys? its so annoying, someone will be mad if i say i laugh to him while he was crying? p.s touya is so much a disgrace for lot of guys watching this |
firstbloodNov 25, 2013 6:10 PM
| Weird development this anime feels strange. |
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| I couldn't help but laugh a little at Touya's crying. Then Yayoi licked his tears. YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS! Then that kiss with tounge! Hot! So Touya has a meeting with Yayoi? For what? I wonder if they did what I think they did in that car... |
| LOl he doesn't even care about cheating anymore. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Rina is a really good friend and woman in general. I thought that she will be typical bitch in the beggining of the series, but she is the best character in this series. |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| "tears were delicious" has never been hotter well let the chaos begin... rooting all the way for yayoi now zashiki warashi xd |
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Wooo go Touya and Manager-san! Touya nicely managing the harem. Just keep stringing along Yuki and get to her when you can. She's boring anyway.  |
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