| I've seen a topic with a user saying, "Avatar should be added because it's like an anime" and closed with just a reply from the moderators saying, "No, Avatar is not an anime." Even more so, similar replies from regulars first came before that. One of the FAQ answers is "Avatar is not an anime." Add reasons why Avatar is not an anime. "It's created by an American creator" or something similar. |
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| Avatar is an awesome exception, they should really add it to our anime database. So we can keep track of the episodes/season. Its sad to see myanimelist loosing potential just because some series are not a japaneese animation. |
Znote said: Avatar is an awesome exception, they should really add it to our anime database. So we can keep track of the episodes/season. Its sad to see myanimelist loosing potential just because some series are not a japaneese animation. But its called MyANIMElist, not my MyCartoonlist. D: And when it's not an anime, then why should it be added to the database? |
Music is about enjoying sound~Znote said: Avatar is an awesome exception, they should really add it to our anime database. So we can keep track of the episodes/season. Its sad to see myanimelist loosing potential just because some series are not a japaneese animation. What about South Park? ... |
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Powerpuff_Girls http://myanimelist.net/anime/8795/Panty_&_Stocking_with_Garterbelt Contrast and compare. Which one is anime, which one is not. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
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Luppi said: Znote said: Avatar is an awesome exception, they should really add it to our anime database. So we can keep track of the episodes/season. Its sad to see myanimelist loosing potential just because some series are not a japaneese animation. But its called MyANIMElist, not my MyCartoonlist. D: And when it's not an anime, then why should it be added to the database? same can be said for all the manga on the site, its called myANIMElist right? not myANIME/MANGAlist, both sides of the argument at work. im not saying it should/shouldn't be added to the DB ,just adding fuel to the fire |
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Badhiro said: Luppi said: Znote said: Avatar is an awesome exception, they should really add it to our anime database. So we can keep track of the episodes/season. Its sad to see myanimelist loosing potential just because some series are not a japaneese animation. But its called MyANIMElist, not my MyCartoonlist. D: And when it's not an anime, then why should it be added to the database? same can be said for all the manga on the site, its called myANIMElist right? not myANIME/MANGAlist, both sides of the argument at work. im not saying it should/shouldn't be added to the DB ,just adding fuel to the fire But manga is made in Japan, which positiones it still closer to anime, than Avatar. Anyway kuroshiroi already answered this question. |
rogerwilco said: Question: If Anime can only be made in Japan, does that mean that if a group of Japanese people become expatriates, and animate a show in a different country (say, America), that it is no longer anime? Question: If Anime can only be made by the Japanese, does that mean that a Americans or Russians who have become expatriates in Japan should not take part in the production process, or become Mangakas,for that matter? Is this the best way to define an art form? If it's MAL's policy to define anime as only that which is made in a certain geographical location....then I understand and can accept it. It is an easy way to make the rules, even if a weak definition of an art form. I do not think, however, that we should insult people who disagree. It's the definition that modern global society uses for the term in the context of this site. It's short for Japanese Animation, which was then shortened to Japanime/Japanimation which sounded dumb - so it was shortened to just "anime". If you want to argue the global use of the term, you'll want to take that up with someone other than a fansite like MAL. As for your questions; If Anime can only be made in Japan, does that mean that if a group of Japanese people become expatriates, and animate a show in a different country (say, America), that it is no longer anime? You answered your own question here. A different country is not "in Japan". As for question two, "taking part in production processes" of anime is not truly "making" the anime. It's working on it. Plenty of anime has work done on it outside of Japan. Just like how an American made car might use parts made in China. It's still an American vehicle. |
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| hmm, I think it's not an anime b'cause it's not created in Japan... |
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cyborgt100 said: You already said it, anime has tons of styles, there is no set style, they draw what they want the same as every other country. So what is this anime style that you say that if they fit then they should be in the site?As long as it has the same sort style of the japanese "Manga" then i think it should be allowed on the anime listed no matter what country it comes from !!!!!!! cyborgt100 said: Power puff girls isn't in a "manga style" so I don't know why you mentioned it. Powerpuff Girls Z was made in Japan so it's considered anime, while what it was based off of wasn't. There are anime based off of other country's books, should Shakespear be considered "manga style" since a couple of anime focus on it?there are loads of animations studio that are in "manga style" that are not from japan i cant believe going to say this Powerpuff Girls Z (yes i said power puff girls) is the japanese rip of the Powerpuff Girls which was the American animation quote=cyborgt100 said: It's already on this site, it must have fit the guidelines.Ōban Star-Racers French / japan anime would that be a yes or no And like how it's been discussed alot, this is a confusing subject. You can just read the site's anime database guidelines to see what they willl allow on here, there is no leeway, they will not add an anime that does not fit the guidelines no matter how much you ask. This is a site for keeping track of anime, they have to have some sort of rules. You can consider avatar an anime or whatever off this site. rogerwilco said: They are only defining it on this site for reasons of consistency. You can think of anime however you want, but that doesn't mean they will add it. Get over it.I guess that's fair...it's just not a great definition for art. We may sometimes define art by a geographical location for convenience, but it's usually the culture and style that really defines it. |
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| If a bunch of Japanese expats in the U.S. made an animation and its target market was the U.S. that wouldn't be an anime. If a bunch of Japanese expats in the U.S. made an animation and its target market was Japan that would be an anime. |
cyborgt100 said: That's the thing, you are saying if it feels like anime then it should count. Feels are not measurable and people don't have the same feels, so what you think feels like anime some people will not agree. That's why there are guidelines, if it follows them then it's in, if it doesn't then it stays out, no feels involved.Introver turtle as long as it has the same feel as manga such classic as odin prefect blue or new style like thundercats 2011 version then i think she should be to the list in my opinion It's the anime community that recognizes anime as Japanese made animation. Anime is just animation shortened. There is no set style, no set language, it's just who it's made by and who it's made for. |
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Brand said: If a bunch of Japanese expats in the U.S. made an animation and its target market was the U.S. that wouldn't be an anime. If a bunch of Japanese expats in the U.S. made an animation and its target market was Japan that would be an anime. If a bunch of japanese in the Japan made an animation and its target market is every country in the world except japan then is it anime or not? |
| same reason teen titans are not on this site. because it was made in the United states |
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| How about this: Any animation whose original language, voice cast, airing location, production staff, and production location is Japanese or at least mostly Japanese (because many anime studios hire Korean animators and occasionally Westerners) will be considered "anime" and included in the MAL database. Any animation whose primary language, voice cast, staff, and airing location is NOT in Japan or at least mostly Japanese, is not considered anime. This would obviously include Avatar, despite its anime influences. The same goes for manga and light novels. |
Adair said: There are anime on here whose original voices are not Japanese.How about this: Any animation whose original language, voice cast, airing location, production staff, and production location is Japanese or at least mostly Japanese (because many anime studios hire Korean animators and occasionally Westerners) will be considered "anime" and included in the MAL database. Any animation whose primary language, voice cast, staff, and airing location is NOT in Japan or at least mostly Japanese, is not considered anime. This would obviously include Avatar, despite its anime influences. The same goes for manga and light novels. And it's pretty simple, we have anime database guidelines and manga database guidelines, that's all. |
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rogerwilco said: If you want to have an intelligent discussion about what is anime then you do it on the anime discussion board, where it belongs. Which there are already threads about that, so search.IntroverTurtle said: rogerwilco said: They are only defining it on this site for reasons of consistency. You can think of anime however you want, but that doesn't mean they will add it. Get over it.I guess that's fair...it's just not a great definition for art. We may sometimes define art by a geographical location for convenience, but it's usually the culture and style that really defines it. Is this forum not the appropriate place to have an intelligent discussion about what is or is not anime? Is this section of the forums not the correct place to have an intelligent discussion about the policies of the site? I don't think I was throwing a fit or anything....just trying to have an intelligent conversation. This board (or section of the forum) is a place to request changes to the database and to figure out if a show fits the guidelines. And guess what? It doesn't fit the guidelines, so there should be no reason to further discuss this. And it's been asked so many times it has it's own entry in the FAQ. |
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rogerwilco said: Who is we? Only two people have responded to you and one of them is me. If you want to know the rationale behind the guidelines then you ask a DB Mod. And this thread isn't' about discussing the rationale behind the guidelines, it's about deciding whether Avatar is an anime and can be admitted to the database or not. And the guidelines say no it does not fit, that should be the end. Changing the purpose of the thread is considered derailing, if you want to discuss the rationale of the guidelines then you can ask a mod or make your own thread.IntroverTurtle said: This board (or section of the forum) is a place to request changes to the database and to figure out if a show fits the guidelines. And guess what? It doesn't fit the guidelines, so there should be no reason to further discuss this. Guess what, we're trying to have an intelligent discussion about the rationale behind the guidelines. If you don't like it, you can politely ignore us while we carry on. Thank you :) So follow the site's rules and you can discuss whatever you want. Thank you |
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| Well, I would certainly be interested in seeing where exactly the line is drawn between what to be includ and what not to. For instance, Manhwa are Korean and are included along with mangas, afaik. Without reaserching them, I might have not realized they were not Japanese ever on my own. What would happen if there was a "manga" made in Europe, but practically indistinguishable from other "genuine" mangas? |
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UPPMeech said: Avatar is an anime, but not an orthodox one. Anime means a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality. (dictionary.com) Avatar is definitely a Japanese style animation. Nope, it's not an anime |
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UPPMeech said: How is Avatar similar to Shin chan who is a famous anime character?Avatar is an anime, but not an orthodox one. Anime means a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality. (dictionary.com) Avatar is definitely a Japanese style animation.  And this site's guidelines just go by who it's made by and who it's made for and Avatar doesn't fit those guidelines. Evanescant said: Why don't you read the site's guidelines to figure it out, that's what they are there for. Only if it's made in Japan, Korea, or China and aimed at one of those audiences. Read the rest to learn more.Well, I would certainly be interested in seeing where exactly the line is drawn between what to be includ and what not to. For instance, Manhwa are Korean and are included along with mangas, afaik. Without reaserching them, I might have not realized they were not Japanese ever on my own. What would happen if there was a "manga" made in Europe, but practically indistinguishable from other "genuine" mangas? |
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| Just my 2 cents on the Shin-chan example used here (again). It bolsters my claim of Shin-chan being comparable to that of American cartoons, in terms of visual style. === As for Avatar, I used to argue this series as an anime 7-years ago. However, things changed: I actually watched it and found myself disappointed in this department. For starters, Avatar needed to tone down on the goofiness -- and actually get a bit more serious. The story premise actually demanded it, but the execution of the series did the premise no justice. Of course, that doesn't mean goofiness and comedy would exclude something as being anime. Currently, I am watching Ixion Saga, which is chock full of comedic goofiness. So, to me, it was just 1-2 steps shy of being argued as anime. Though, I don't mind how this topic pops up again and again. Anyways, I may have to watch Avatar again, in order to make some kind of analysis here. Unlike all these "anime from Japan" parrots, I would prefer to use a more thorough analysis, because categorizing media (let alone animation) is complex to begin with. It is just that people refuse to put any kind of effort in doing so. If I were to do a compare and contrast analysis, it would be Avatar against itself. There are some features, that compares it to anime. However, there are features that compares it to cartoons as well. IMO, this is a good example of a "borderline" series. |
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| I completely agree, I mean who's it going to hurt? so many people have asked for it it, it's just pointless not to be there, I mean there's Korean animation on this site why not add avatar, which was made with the soul purpose of being like an English anime, I would love to be able to rate it and keep track of it, It would be so enjoyable, I really hope they consider adding it |
| And why not series ? Why not books ? IntrovertTurtle must be so tired repeating the same thing over and over again... xD Anyway, Avatar is really american-style in my opinion, but that we don't care. |
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Rinshansan said: Why is this thread still around when the question has been answered? Why are these threads not auto deleted? It's like the mods enjoy watching people argue about something that has been debated since the show came out. On this site it's clear what the guidelines are, and IntroverTurtle has already linked to them. Avatar is not an anime according to this site's guidelines, and it never will be. |
FatherAnderson said: No they leave this one here because this question is asked so many times. It's here for people to search avatar in the forum search and come to this thread and learn why it's not allowed, hoping to reduce the amount of people asking why elsewhere.Rinshansan said: Why is this thread still around when the question has been answered? Why are these threads not auto deleted? It's like the mods enjoy watching people argue about something that has been debated since the show came out. On this site it's clear what the guidelines are, and IntroverTurtle has already linked to them. Avatar is not an anime according to this site's guidelines, and it never will be. Also MAL has recently begun to not delete threads unless they are trolling attempts or they combine them. |
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Rinshansan said: FatherAnderson said: Rinshansan said: Why is this thread still around when the question has been answered? Why are these threads not auto deleted? It's like the mods enjoy watching people argue about something that has been debated since the show came out. On this site it's clear what the guidelines are, and IntroverTurtle has already linked to them. Avatar is not an anime according to this site's guidelines, and it never will be. My thoughts exactly. It's getting old and annoying. Moreover moderators should be more active in repetition of threads so they should put firm limits. Just what I'd do to avoid this ruckus. Y'know, I hope this question continues to pop up (not constantly of course), especially from younger viewers not yet corrupted by the "anime from Japan only" view. I couldn't ask for a more neutral perspective, other than someone from who is old. |
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IntroverTurtle said: UPPMeech said: How is Avatar similar to Shin chan who is a famous anime character?Avatar is an anime, but not an orthodox one. Anime means a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality. (dictionary.com) Avatar is definitely a Japanese style animation. And this site's guidelines just go by who it's made by and who it's made for and Avatar doesn't fit those guidelines. Evanescant said: Why don't you read the site's guidelines to figure it out, that's what they are there for. Only if it's made in Japan, Korea, or China and aimed at one of those audiences. Read the rest to learn more.Well, I would certainly be interested in seeing where exactly the line is drawn between what to be includ and what not to. For instance, Manhwa are Korean and are included along with mangas, afaik. Without reaserching them, I might have not realized they were not Japanese ever on my own. What would happen if there was a "manga" made in Europe, but practically indistinguishable from other "genuine" mangas? I never said anything about avatar being similar to Shin chan. Is there any reason why you brought that up? |
UPPMeech said: You said Avatar is a japanese style animation. Which style are you talking about? Shin chan is an anime, but Avatar looks nothing like that.I never said anything about avatar being similar to Shin chan. Is there any reason why you brought that up? UPPMeech said: Yes, at least by this site's rules, I do have evidence. Here's the anime guidelines, and in the FAQ it says.You have no evidence to support that statement. FAQ said: I think Avatar should be added to the anime database. No, Avatar is not an anime. |
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| God, how many more of these "Is avatar an anime" threads? There are plenty of explanations all over MAL why it's not anime. Also, majority of MAL users don't see it as an anime, the moderatos as well. |
| GOSH, NOT AGAIN !!! |
| Would be easier if some admin answer the question and close the thread. |
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| It's not anime. Thank you IntroverTurtle and the rest of those who read the guidelines and the FAQ for being patient with some of the newcomers. We won't be changing the guidelines anytime soon to accommodate any other animation so for those who are so keen on Avatar, it is listed here. |
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