Tokyo is trying to ban drawings

Gogetters said:
Is it wrong to just want to slap him?

Deathtonavi said:

me? ;_;

Gogetters said:
No not you :)

Hypeathon said:

Right how? Would it kill to not just aimlessly agree with one person's words and explain why exactly you would agree and thus contribute to the argument?

Deathtonavi said:
I already did, scroll up
and adding to the arguement is just gonna piss people off more.

Deathtonavi said:
Nobody is gonna get convinced of anything, they're just going to get angry and offended.

Drunk_Samurai said:


Because only intelligent people know that lolicon isn't child porn.

Deathtonavi said:

it actually helps by releasing sexual tension the 'readers' could build up and use to assult someone.
that's why countries with better access to porn usually have lower rape cases.

Kimura said:
And as a confirmed 35 year old lolicon, I can definitely say this law is complete nonsense (just like Dubya's term in office, but that's a whole other can of worms).

I've lost track at how much loli porn I've watched and read. And guess what? I still find real children to be smelly, disgusting, annoying little twats.

ezikialrage said:
Last I checked a loli is a depiction of a prepubescent child.

Hypeathon said:

You know what though, that's bullshit! And it's not because of the argument in this whole thread. It's because every thread you of all people contribute to has to involve you passing judgment on whether or not someone qualifies as "intelligent" as if you were granted the omnipotent ability by majority vote to do so, when not everyone honestly gives a mountain of 14 K gold shit! Seriously, get over yourself! You aren't concluding to squat in threads such as this other than that you have an infamous trait to insult someone who's opinion doesn't sit right with you as you see fit. And there's especially no point in contributing if you bring such a ridiculous, deliberate attitude to the thread.

Drunk_Samurai said:
This is pretty ironic coming from a guy who got mad when I proved you wrong in the piracy thread.

Hypeathon said:

So what? Why does everything have to sprial to this uneccesary "I'm right your wrong and thus [insert insult]" crap with you every thread you get involved in?

Drunk_Samurai said:

Maybe because people are fucking stupid?

GreatEmperor said:
Prepare for trouble
And hide your child porn
To protect the children from perversion
To unite all lolis within our nation
To denounce the evils of loli love
To extend our reach to personal lives
Tokyo
Japan
Government reforms at the speed of light
Surrender now, or prepare your flight
Uguu, thats right

Hypeathon said:

Stupid about what? No, really. What exactly can people be stupid about, and why would they be stupid about those things?

Drunk_Samurai said:
Maybe because people are fucking stupid?

Drunk_Samurai said:
In this thread's case it would be not knowing the difference between a pedophile and a lolicon and the difference between real and fake.

Drunk_Samurai said:


In this thread's case it would be not knowing the difference between a pedophile and a lolicon and the difference between real and fake.

Deathtonavi said:

it's all a matter of opinion D S, you aren't always right.
in this situation you are IMO, but you can't always be right.

-puts hand on hypeathon's shoulder-
don't let him get to you, he's just one of those Self-Righteous trolls on the interwebs~

Kaiserpingvin said:
Yeah, okay, DS, this takes the cake.

Do you know what makes someone intelligent?

Not being correct, but having good reasons for it.

And you, kind lad, never give any reasons at all for what you think. Half your posts - which is still at most two-three words - are insults, the other half are reiterations on the theme "I am right because I say so".

It can convince no one, and rightly so. Whoever is convinced by so little does not have rational knowledge, they have pure faith. Maybe you do have good reasons for thinking what you do, I frankly can never tell, so if you do, you should really start actually arguing with them - and if you don't, you are no better than the words you shout.

The politeness is another matter, being more polite couldn't help making people agree with you, though.


Now go back to the topic at hand, that of drawings being banned and lolis being a truly magnificent Godsend. :c

Kaiserpingvin said:
Yeah, okay, DS, this takes the cake.

Do you know what makes someone intelligent?

Not being correct, but having good reasons for it.

And you, kind lad, never give any reasons at all for what you think. Half your posts - which is still at most two-three words - are insults, the other half are reiterations on the theme "I am right because I say so".

It can convince no one, and rightly so. Whoever is convinced by so little does not have rational knowledge, they have pure faith. Maybe you do have good reasons for thinking what you do, I frankly can never tell, so if you do, you should really start actually arguing with them - and if you don't, you are no better than the words you shout.

The politeness is another matter, being more polite couldn't help making people agree with you, though.


Now go back to the topic at hand, that of drawings being banned and lolis being a truly magnificent Godsend. :c

siokan said:
It is the severe situation.
There seem to be the comics that serialization disappears.
The government regulates the classical literature.

If an assembly approves it, let's cry to one all of you cord.

Gogetters said:
Mind translating the picture? D:

Shur said:
@Ezikialrage

A pedophile is an adult sexually attracted to children. Lolicons however, are not (always) attracted to real children (1), can you really call a person like that a pedophile?

And if you could, why would it matter if a person who does not want anything with real children to be a pedophile?

And that a drawing does not have feelings is relevant.

The main reason that real child pornography is banned is to protect real children of getting harmed.

You don't force children to have sex or pose when making loli porn nor do you harm any children. It's a victimless crime

ezikialrage said:

Again lolis are depictions of children. If adult gets off on that kind of stuff then yes they are still pedos. As far as you know every person who gets sexually gets aroused on depictions of little kids most likely get off on the real thing too as well and are lying their ass off when they say that they do not.

ezikialrage said:
If you are a straight man would you get off on watching gay porn,gay hentai, or look at drawings and photos of nude in sexually suggestive poses? No straight man. So those pedos are lying when they say they only get off on only watching depictions of children engaging in sex or in sexually suggestive poses.

ezikialrage said:

So you would be cool with someone decided to cute and paste little childrens faces onto some midgets in a porn or nude flat chested models.

ezikialrage said:

IF children are bribed then it could argued that they were not forced and therefore victimless. So I think you should add it is also to make sure that children are not taken advantage of.

Gypsy said:


Let's make broad generalizations. Horray!

I disagree. I've read a bit of strong yuri, and I am not a lesbian. No attraction to women.

lolwut?

Wrong. Wrong. It still has a victim. Since a woman forgets to lock her door and ends up getting robbed and shot, does that mean she isn't a victim due to carelessness? No. Not at all.

To you, I say. LOLI IS NO CHILD PORN.

ezikialrage said:
STUFF

Gypsy said:


Pornography involves humans. Living breathing humans. Loli or henti involves drawings. Not living, unharmed drawings. No connection in a moral or danger sense.

What you have, is some real moral issues you're trying to argue into facts. That doesn't work.

Gypsy said:


Pornography involves humans. Living breathing humans..

What you have, is some real moral issues you're trying to argue into facts. That doesn't work

Drunk_Samurai said:


Plus as I already said before. "Because everybody knows children have blue, purple, green, and silver hair."

Gogetters said:
Hentai is anime porn.

Porn is porn.

Loli has some H but not all is.

Liking loli does not make you a pedophile.

Liking lolis does not mean you like or want anything to do with real kids.

Loli isn't real therefore it is not child porn.

Child porn needs to have real kids or it isn't child porn.

Is it really that hard to understand?

Tell me if i missed anything...

ezikialrage said:



My niece sometimes has purple hair.So hair color is irrelevant.

Cottonrabbit said:
And if you are fantasizing about children, you should be seeking out professional help.

Saviuz said:
And then.. I don't understand this paedophilia-gibberish at all. What's wrong with being sexually attracted to underage people? Do humans suddenly become able to give their 'consent' overnight when they turn 18 (21) ? It just doesn't make any sense. 'Age' should not matter.. never. Aging is a continuous gradient. How can there be any specific age, that enables people to suddenly become able to drink alcohol, have sex, drive a car, et cetera.. ? It's all based on prejudices, nothing more.

Alpha-kudasu said:
Well I can understand why people would find these images offensive and traumatic, especially for those who have lived through abuse. A lot of people seem to be defending the artists or the buyers, but not a lot of thought goes into the fact that these types of imagery is like bragging about something that happens to real people, who have suffered through these terrible acts. It's like gloating about getting away with a terrible crime, and people jump to defend these authors of such material. I find it a bit strange. I wonder how many people on this site would react if their life story about being raped was glamorised and a source sexual fantasy for men who both do and do not commit these crimes against people, and when trying to speak out against how offensive it is are met with much hatred from what seems to mostly be highly sexual, but under active individuals.

So far not a lot of people seem to be admitting that, despite the fact it may be a few who actually do go out and commit such crimes, it is this type of material that is spread that infests the mind with ideas and fantasy, detaching the person from being a grounded whole person capable of real and caring relationships in life.

reading doujin on loli sex simply stunts the emotional growth of the person to be able to look at women with anything other than sexualised fetish for sex games and pleasure.

There a big difference in a mature sexual fantasy between adults, who are capable of seeing the joke for what it is, but quite another to have this be the guiding force behind children growing up aspire to become men who subjugate women for their own selfish desires.

Alpha-kudasu said:
Well I can understand why people would find these images offensive and traumatic, especially for those who have lived through abuse. A lot of people seem to be defending the artists or the buyers, but not a lot of thought goes into the fact that these types of imagery is like bragging about something that happens to real people, who have suffered through these terrible acts. It's like gloating about getting away with a terrible crime, and people jump to defend these authors of such material. I find it a bit strange. I wonder how many people on this site would react if their life story about being raped was glamorised and a source sexual fantasy for men who both do and do not commit these crimes against people, and when trying to speak out against how offensive it is are met with much hatred from what seems to mostly be highly sexual, but under active individuals.

It's very hard to understand because most of the people who read these don;t seem to understand it from the point of the person it is happening to. A lot of the post seem to defend the thought about dominating a young girl against her will by manipulation to get her to satisfy their unmet sexual fantasy, not what it is like to be that child being manipulated against her will and forced to participate in acts she is both too young to understand or enjoy.

Baman said:
Pedophilia is attraction to sexually immature persons, that is; kids. Sexually mature teenagers, whether they are 15 or 17 is another matter entirely, and has nothing to do with pedophilia, but there seems to be a common misconception that pedophilia encompass the attraction to anything under whatever arbitrary "legal age" any given area might have.