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| Damn, another case of Nokkers making trouble, this time related to Mizuha's mother, Izumi. This episode tested Fushi on an emotional level as he's faced with the threat. We do get some interesting background story about Izumi, Mizuha, and their family connections. Felt like Mizuha is among the most prominent character this season so it was great to know more about her. |
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| Fairs, we all owe Izumi an apology for being so harsh on her because holy shit anyone growing up in that environment would have a few screws loose. If anything, she did an outstanding job with Mizuha considering what her parents put her thru. That flashback made me sick to my stomach, her parents didn’t even view her as a human being, just someone to carry on the Guardians mission. When the dad came up to her with an arranged fiancé at her mom’s FUNERAL, I got so annoyed. Then the husband hiding that he was in the guardians??? Is that not rapey?? Like withholding such important facts about yourself means she didn’t properly consent to that relationship. She was done bold and failed by so many people in her life. Then her own body failed on her as the Nokker was taking it over. I can’t blame her at all for being done with life, just saying fuck everything and walking out of that restaurant. The way she cooked Fushi “you don’t even have it in you” is frying me too ๐ญ I think I’d have hesitated to kill Izumi’s Nokker as well given how emotionally attached Mizuha is! I think that just shows how kind Fushi is. I feel like the dad has to know that’s not really Izumi then and he just doesn’t care because all this allows the guardians to accomplish their mission. Awful, great episode tho and I can’t wait for the next one. |
Marinate1016Dec 13, 1:04 PM
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| Was a great episode with Izumi's backstory and her comments about Mizuha lastest scenes. Yuki existence need to payoff big huge time. Such bothersome. Look how nice is the Black Robe kid is, just quiet doing his exercises, eating, being there for the ride. |
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| Damn a lot of nice lore on this episode. Probably it was said before but I like that we confirmed that Nokkers are just some sort of foreign entity that is trying to release humans from suffering but they are NOT human souls. I was a little confused since they both live in paradise, so I really thought it was humans that just wanted to go down and help people die and enjoy paradise faster or something. In fact when we meet Mizuha's Nokker I was petrified, I thought Hayase became a Nokker and was planning all of this (which in my defense makes sense, I still don't get why Kahaku's Nokker would serve as a leader). I guess if you think about it, there's only a few episodes where Fushi is learning what being human is without any problems, but as soon as he is able to speak Nokkers should up and they've been a problem ever since (sure the guardians and that one religion also opposed him but meh). I'm really curious how they'll deal with the Nokkers in this era...like I doubt we'll have another time skip, I'm really intrigued about the future of the show once Fushi is able to solve this arc. I'm guessing his ascend to godhood would be next? |
| certainly frustrating to be Izumi surrounded by her weirdo parents and husband. |
| Sad backstory rationalizing a disliked character's actions. |
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| The nokker inside Izumi really knows how to put on a play. What an unbelievable acting that was ! But since Mizuha already decided to coexist with Nokkers, there's nothing to do about it. After knowing about Izumi's past..what a tragedy that befell her !! Poor woman ๐๐ Losing her mom who I felt was at least a sane person of her family, a manipulative sanctimonious piece of shit father who decided to marry her off to an asshole, escaping such a life only to end up with a lying husband. The husband seems to be okay but he shouldn't have lied to her. We thought that Izumi was taking pictures of Mizuha's achievements to brag on social media but it turns out she was just trying to keep track of things 'cause a nokker was fucking with her brain..๐ญ๐ญ It felt like the husband isn't pleased with this new wife and daughter but has no other option lol Mizuha embracing her Nokker and kissing it ๐คฎ๐คฎ She's a lost cause now. |
| Damn Nokkers plotting some shady stuff! |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
Reply to Greek12
Damn a lot of nice lore on this episode. Probably it was said before but I like that we confirmed that Nokkers are just some sort of foreign entity that is trying to release humans from suffering but they are NOT human souls. I was a little confused since they both live in paradise, so I really thought it was humans that just wanted to go down and help people die and enjoy paradise faster or something. In fact when we meet Mizuha's Nokker I was petrified, I thought Hayase became a Nokker and was planning all of this (which in my defense makes sense, I still don't get why Kahaku's Nokker would serve as a leader).
I guess if you think about it, there's only a few episodes where Fushi is learning what being human is without any problems, but as soon as he is able to speak Nokkers should up and they've been a problem ever since (sure the guardians and that one religion also opposed him but meh). I'm really curious how they'll deal with the Nokkers in this era...like I doubt we'll have another time skip, I'm really intrigued about the future of the show once Fushi is able to solve this arc. I'm guessing his ascend to godhood would be next?
I guess if you think about it, there's only a few episodes where Fushi is learning what being human is without any problems, but as soon as he is able to speak Nokkers should up and they've been a problem ever since (sure the guardians and that one religion also opposed him but meh). I'm really curious how they'll deal with the Nokkers in this era...like I doubt we'll have another time skip, I'm really intrigued about the future of the show once Fushi is able to solve this arc. I'm guessing his ascend to godhood would be next?
Greek12 said: I thought Hayase became a Nokker and was planning all of this (which in my defense makes sense, I still don't get why Kahaku's Nokker would serve as a leader). I don't get what you mean. Kahaku's Nokker was Hayase's Nokker and it's running things until now. |
Reply to Gavinmercer
So why are nokkers bad again?
| @Gavinmercer Well, for starters, one of them (Mizuha's nokker) stabbed to death a kid last episode; justified with "she wanted to die anyways". Not to mention all the body manipulation of people they inhabit against their will. Nokkers are basically pro-suicide. Life is tough? Jump from a building and I'll take your place. Mom is abusive? Stab her to death and we'll replace her. Which one of these sounds good to you? :D |
| First Kahaku and now it's Izumi... I swear the author did them dirty. She didn't deserve any of this to begin with. Don't know, I just want her to find some sort of salvation, at the end of it all. Don't you fumble again, Fushi. |
| How many times has winter given away to spring? —Ryokan |
Gavinmercer said: Can't disagree. Some people seem to be suspicious of her after everything we saw, but I think she wasn't acting when Fushi was trying to kill her. And yet, knowing Izumi's past now, I don't think it'll be better if nokker stays while real Izumi leaves for the "heavens". Izumi is still THE mom.You are right, but I was just thinking the Nokker replacement for Izumi seems pretty nice. Dunno, we can argue Izumi would've never learned her lesson if she never got killed and replaced by nokker, but unlike real life in this universe you can come back thanks to Fushi. Second chance is a thing. Nokkers prevent such people from second chance in life. Same issue was with Mimori. We already saw Mimori change her mind about staying dead. As I said before, nokkers basically let the suicidal people do the deed. Average human would try to convince such person NOT to do the deed but nokkers seem to be pro-death like previously. Die so you no longer suffer. In Izumi's case, die so Mizuha no longer suffers. It just feels very wrong since it makes seem like problematic humans can't change and should die (Mizuha's mom), or suicidal people (like the naginata girl and Mimori) should also just give up and die (not to mention they're still very young). At the end of the day nokkers are still imposters and pretenders. So yeah, I would agree that nokkers don't seem to be all evil. Izumi's seems decent, while Mimori's was crazy. Mizuha's one is still messed up too. |
| Woah, now I kinda feel sorry for Izumi, what a crazy cult backstory and great lore. I can see why shes pretty much given up, Nokker or not Mizuha is "happier" now. Must be similar to Mr. Black's approach, which I am still puzzled to how unfazed and quickly accepting he is to this Nokker take over. Nokkers trying to make out our boy Fushi to be the bad guy. Surely it's not gonna be a simple slay the queen to beat all the Nokker scenario. |
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| I get the mum... the father got her... she was lost and was not really there for her child that she wanted to protect... |
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Reply to Gavinmercer
So why are nokkers bad again?
| @Gavinmercer They are soulless. They are just piloting a body like a robot. The human soul is the true essence of life. A fake, idealized version of someone is not their true self. |
Reply to holdingnothing
@Neneaux They're kind of souls themselves, though probably not the same, assuming lore has ever really explained it in the series. I'm getting vibes like the parasite aliens from Parasyte, they'd literally just take over, it's not the same situation, but it's just as disturbing when you see how they advance to a point where it might just be indistinguishable
| @holdingnothing The concept of a soul is exclusive to humans. An alien thing having a personality doesn't give it a soul or make it human. If you think they are the same you've been compromised by the inhuman propaganda. |
Pretty clever directing of this scene. At first, I thought... "Ha! She's a ghost! She's not supposed to to get wet from the rain."  Then I realized... "Those are not raindrops trickling down her face." Damn... That hit me quite different now. |
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Reply to holdingnothing
@Neneaux The Nokkers can exist in something akin to paradise, they likely have at least some kind of disembodied existence, though they may just be like the Goddess clan from Seven Deadly Sins post sealing, only able to fully manifest in some way by possession of a body like a parasite
| @holdingnothing You are going out of your way to denounce humans and the beautiful culture and world they made. This is my last post. You hate beauty. |
| I liked that moment when Izumi questioned the scriptures. That damned cult rewrote Tonari's records of Fushi. Yes, Izumi was like that because she didn't want Mizuha to join the cult that she escaped from. The husband was one of them too. The pictures she kept taking with Mizuha weren't entirely because of her viewing Mizuha as a trophy, but to counteract her stress-induced memory loss. Like her daughter, the Nokker was likely taking over in those moments she forgot, that's why she ended up taking the family to her father's house unexpectedly. She wants all that erased from her PC now Mizuha has a new mother. Izumi has seen the Nokker that entered her body when she was depressed is being a better mother to Mizuha better than she could have. Now, Mizuha's human soul is accepting the Nokker inside her body. |
Fortress_MaximusYesterday, 6:49 AM
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| So Mizuha has gone full-crazy now and is basically our new Hayase, fully siding with Nokkers. But as I said before: I don't even get what would be the consequence of the Nokker conquering Earth. We KNOW that an afterlife, a paradise even, exists. Why not give up on Earth, let Nokkers play with it, and enjoy the afterlife? That's the question this anime ows us at this point. |
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| This Season just keeps getting more peak with each episode I can't believe it. I almost believed Fushi would kill both Izumi and Mizuha but of course it didn't happen. He pussied out when he saw the Nokker Izumi crying and lying. Couldn't he consider Idk that maybe it was pretending? Anyway, it was still hard to go against Mizuha at that point. Poor girl suffered enough. She loves her fake mom more than her real mom. When I saw Izumi's ghost crying I thought that maybe she'd realize the errors of her ways and change herself. Wasn't expecting a full-on backstory for Izumi. And I kinda changed my mind about her. Looks like the parental abuse runs in the family. She also had a terrible childhood. Probably worse than Mizuha. And Mizuha's just 14. Ngl I thought she was older. So there's still time to fix things for her. But it's already over for Izumi. A lot of the bad things she did to Mizuha were probably influenced by Nokkers. So it's harder to blame her considering every single thing she went through. Especially her dad and her joke of a husband. But despite that, I think the dad was in the right when he recognized his daughter wasn't being raised right. Her parenting was so bad she ended up creating the very thing she swore to destroy. And after all that I didn't expect Izumi to just give up. I expected more from her. Things are really looking hopeless now. Really wondering how they're going to deal with the Nokkers next. This was another excellent episode. |
0451Yesterday, 6:25 AM
| Wow... it was so sad to finally get Mizuha's mother full backstory and what happened when Mizuha was a kid... now things make more sense :( |
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| Honestly, I don't see any moral dilemma here: Izumi's nokker was part of her being bad mother. Guardians even more so. Nokkers were the source of this evil all along. |
| No, dont make me sympathise with Izumi at this stage! What do you mean all the selfies were not for social media but because she has memory loss?! Damn this story is twisting back and forth, I cant even say there is a clear enemy. If anything Fushi seems like the bad guy of the story.. the nokkers dont even do anything bad. I feel like the black one came to the same conclusion, the nokkers evolved and are no longer a threat. They simply are part of life. Soo Mizuha likes the nokkers now? Huh.. Apparently the nokkers are split into 2 groups, the ones following the guardian nokker and the rest who dont really have a goal. I still think Izumi was a terrible mother, the backstory is a reason, not an excuse. But also I respect her for saying fuck it, Im out. |
Comander-07Yesterday, 3:28 PM
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Reply to SomeMage
Honestly, I don't see any moral dilemma here: Izumi's nokker was part of her being bad mother. Guardians even more so. Nokkers were the source of this evil all along.
| @SomeMage nah man, nokkers really hadn't done anything wrong, the only exception is Mizuha's nokker, killing her mom and probably the one who beat up that senpai guy also "evil" bro there's cults even without nokkers, and you're confusing nokker = cults, only some of the guardians are nokkers, the dad, the husband aren't nokkers, mimori is a nokker but not part of the cult see, the guardian cult and nokkers aren't interchangeable |
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