The most ridiculous prejudices against Isekai

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Grey-Zone said:
A very popular phrase that I see get used more and more often as time goes.

That's because it's applicable to more and more anime as time goes on.

Grey-Zone said:
most anime adaptations of Isekai that are in most cases based on Light Novels haven't even reached the 25% mark of the story yet, so it's quite presumptuous to talk about there being no legitimization for being Isekai when that could happen in the later 75% of the story and since it might lead to some kind of "multiversal" scale of events it makes sense that this would be in a later part of the story.

I'm not even going to legitimize this with a response.

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1. "Isekai can't possibly be complex or have any subtlety to it."
wrong, nothing stops the writer except incompetence.
2. "It doesn't need to be Isekai, you could just turn it into regular Fantasy and nothing would change."
correct. it never has to be isekai.
3. "The Isekai betrayed its own premise."
many anime are like this, not just isekai.
4. "This Isekai is a Medieval setting. Modern appliances existing there is a plot hole."
it's not, if the guy was transported, and he was, it means there were others before him, or tech evolved differently.

1 and 3 are generic claims, they might be correct but can be used many other things.
2 can be applied to anything else too. eva didn't have to be mecha for example, maou 2099 didn't have to be cyberpunk.
already explained 4.

isekai is just trash tier slop, badly executed and written by idiots. treated like a paycheck by the animators, treated like an ad by ln publishers.
it's all around low effort shit.
mushoku s1 looked amazing, thanks to the studio's efforts. kagejitsu was fun as hell because the director gets it. it can be done well.

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Oct 3, 8:22 AM

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These points are as superficial as it gets. 2 has at least a little bit of merit since part of Isekai stories don't use it in a meaningful way. But that can also be said about pretty much every story. And I agree with point 3, headcanon can be really weird sometimes.

Another nonsensical remark is "all Isekai protagonists are neets". Even if I could think of one, it obviously wouldn't be all of them.

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or Shield Hero not being about Naofumi being on a 24/7 revenge tour for the whole story, despite no concrete indications that this would be the case. It's all just a hallucinated premise.

The problem with Shield Hero, is that the Queen turning out to be on his side, did undercut a lot of the tension in the story. The whole premise, is that the SH would have been a hero for the masses, hated by the nobility, and that he was going to have to survive on his own wit, rather than rely on others. Once that ended though, the tension, underdog nature of the story was lost, and overall whatever draw it had, for me at least, decreased. The last few episodes, was kinda interesting, though after S2 got a bad response, that kinda killed my interest in the IP as a whole, beyond Kevin's awesome OSTs for it. Again, yes, you can have shows that can point the plot, in a whole new direction however, it has to be interesting. SH isn't.

Grey-Zone said:
The idea is that because the Isekai setting is aesthetically similar to Medieval Europe it must therefore follow the IRL Medieval European tech-tree, culture, politics and possibly also the overall history. But that ignores the big hole in that logic: It's literally another world, i.e. a different universe, so IRL Medieval history should have nothing to do with it.

This is a pretty bad argument. Now one, of course it's fantasy, you can do whatever you want in theory. Still your world needs to have some degree of sense and more importantly, and this is where most not only isekai, but Japanese Western Medieval fantasy fails, it needs inspiration. Again, I don't like Miyazaki however, he isn't wrong that many otaku, in this industry, only get inspiration from other otaku media. It's creatively dead, and more importantly detached from the human experiance itself. Which is fine, if you are going for an absurdist world however, usually these creators want a medieval setting, that does have the trappings of medieval Europe, however, none of the logic or interesting elements of that history, which significantly hurts their world building. That is why often Western fantasy demolishes anime, in this genre/setting specifically, and why I don't really take it that seriously. Worlds like A Song of Ice and Fire, Witcher, Mistborn or even sci fi works, like Dune, and the current series I am reading, Suneater, play into the political, social and cultural elements that make that period interesting, while keeping their own, often unique worlds, or they are straight up sci fi, while keeping elements of that world alive. If you only use the aesthetic, unless you are doing something completely out there, that is well thought out (basically almost no Med European fantasy in this medium), then you have a pretty hollow world. I will be honest, even in Medieval fantasy isekai works I like, such as Re Zero, it's usually the characters, rather than the world itself, that draws me in. It's rare the setting ever does that, which I don't think is a good thing.

I love Medieval European history/culture, and yet, I almost never find a work, that actually embraces it's cultural inspiration, in this medium, which is ridiculous considering how many Medieval European fantasy works we get. And the reason why, is many Western writers, who write in this setting get their inspirations from mythology, history, faith etc, anime and LNs get it from video games. And that is why, they largely are always going to feel superficial.

It's not like fantasy writers, in this medium are incapable of interesting world building, characterization etc. Of course not, it's just rarely ever found in this setting, and why I prefer genres like contemporary fantasy, in anime/manga, even though I don't really care for it as much in other mediums.

The only points I would agree with are 1, though I think people just feel kinda bitter regarding the quality of the writing, which TBF, most of them aren't good. Of course though, isekai can be subtle. 2 to some degree, though I think you should at least demonstrate early on, why you want to do an isekai story. Re Zero and The Vision of Escaflowne, both highlight that early on in their stories, for their own benefit.

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or Shield Hero not being about Naofumi being on a 24/7 revenge tour for the whole story, despite no concrete indications that this would be the case. It's all just a hallucinated premise.

The problem with Shield Hero, is that the Queen turning out to be on his side, did undercut a lot of the tension in the story. The whole premise, is that the SH would have been a hero for the masses, hated by the nobility, and that he was going to have to survive on his own wit, rather than rely on others. Once that ended though, the tension, underdog nature of the story was lost, and overall whatever draw it had, for me at least, decreased. The last few episodes, was kinda interesting, though after S2 got a bad response, that kinda killed my interest in the IP as a whole, beyond Kevin's awesome OSTs for it. Again, yes, you can have shows that can point the plot, in a whole new direction however, it has to be interesting. SH isn't.

Grey-Zone said:
The idea is that because the Isekai setting is aesthetically similar to Medieval Europe it must therefore follow the IRL Medieval European tech-tree, culture, politics and possibly also the overall history. But that ignores the big hole in that logic: It's literally another world, i.e. a different universe, so IRL Medieval history should have nothing to do with it.

This is a pretty bad argument. Now one, of course it's fantasy, you can do whatever you want in theory. Still your world needs to have some degree of sense and more importantly, and this is where most not only isekai, but Japanese Western Medieval fantasy fails, it needs inspiration. Again, I don't like Miyazaki however, he isn't wrong that many otaku, in this industry, only get inspiration from other otaku media. It's creatively dead, and more importantly detached from the human experiance itself. Which is fine, if you are going for an absurdist world however, usually these creators want a medieval setting, that does have the trappings of medieval Europe, however, none of the logic or interesting elements of that history, which significantly hurts their world building. That is why often Western fantasy demolishes anime, in this genre/setting specifically, and why I don't really take it that seriously. Worlds like A Song of Ice and Fire, Witcher, Mistborn or even sci fi works, like Dune, and the current series I am reading, Suneater, play into the political, social and cultural elements that make that period interesting, while keeping their own, often unique worlds, or they are straight up sci fi, while keeping elements of that world alive. If you only use the aesthetic, unless you are doing something completely out there, that is well thought out (basically almost no Med European fantasy in this medium), then you have a pretty hollow world. I will be honest, even in Medieval fantasy isekai works I like, such as Re Zero, it's usually the characters, rather than the world itself, that draws me in. It's rare the setting ever does that, which I don't think is a good thing.

I love Medieval European history/culture, and yet, I almost never find a work, that actually embraces it's cultural inspiration, in this medium, which is ridiculous considering how many Medieval European fantasy works we get. And the reason why, is many Western writers, who write in this setting get their inspirations from mythology, history, faith etc, anime and LNs get it from video games. And that is why, they largely are always going to feel superficial.

It's not like fantasy writers, in this medium are incapable of interesting world building, characterization etc. Of course not, it's just rarely ever found in this setting, and why I prefer genres like contemporary fantasy, in anime/manga, even though I don't really care for it as much in other mediums.

The only points I would agree with are 1, though I think people just feel kinda bitter regarding the quality of the writing, which TBF, most of them aren't good. Of course though, isekai can be subtle. 2 to some degree, though I think you should at least demonstrate early on, why you want to do an isekai story. Re Zero and The Vision of Escaflowne, both highlight that early on in their stories, for their own benefit.

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I love Medieval European history/culture, and yet, I almost never find a work, that actually embraces it's cultural inspiration, in this medium, which is ridiculous considering how many Medieval European fantasy works we get. And the reason why, is many Western writers, who write in this setting get their inspirations from mythology, history, faith etc, anime and LNs get it from video games. And that is why, they largely are always going to feel superficial.

You are better off watching something by Uehashi if you want an anime "that actually embraces it's cultural inspiration." Japanese people simply do not have the firsthand exposure needed to write a comparable story in a European setting.

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Oct 3, 11:57 AM

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MOdern Isekai discourse or "criticism" is just extended SAO trauma syndrome for Low IQ mouthbreathers, absolute peak of cynicism

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Oct 3, 12:06 PM

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Most of your defenses don't even have actual examples of the anti-isekai talking points being inaccurate. I've never heard of a isekai story going "multiversal" and retroactively justifying its own premise. Most of these stories are light novels written by amateurs appealing to an easily satiated audience who only want shallow power fantasies. When an isekai is good, people tend to actually talk about it--like Re:Zero, which I don't like but is extremely popular and beloved for actually using the isekai premise.

Oct 3, 2:45 PM

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There's more isekai trash arguably than any other genre, but there's plenty of fantasy trash that's not isekai as well. lol

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Oct 3, 5:31 PM

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BilboBaggins365 said:
I love Medieval European history/culture, and yet, I almost never find a work, that actually embraces it's cultural inspiration, in this medium, which is ridiculous considering how many Medieval European fantasy works we get. And the reason why, is many Western writers, who write in this setting get their inspirations from mythology, history, faith etc, anime and LNs get it from video games. And that is why, they largely are always going to feel superficial.

You are better off watching something by Uehashi if you want an anime "that actually embraces it's cultural inspiration." Japanese people simply do not have the firsthand exposure needed to write a comparable story in a European setting.

@Lucifrost Moribito is something I am going to knock out soon. Though yeah, settings like that, in anime, at least are what I prioritize. Secondly, hey like I am not saying cultural distance doesn't matter, granted we in the West often don't understand the Middle Ages, well either thanks to the Enlightenment and Victorian Period.

Still, I am just saying, if I was going to create a fantasy world, that IDK, features Japanese mythology, samurai etc, you would think I would read about Japanese history a bit to understand their culture, mythology etc, so that when I play with it, to create my own world, while it's fantastical, it also feels "authentic" in it's inspiration. Like, I don't think that is a big expectation from a professional writer. Which you know, TBF, a lot of isekai's are coming from web novels, from authors, that aren't much different from glorified fan fiction writers. While I won't look down on people being creative like that, and can even argue that it is possible to write good stuff, it does also explain why the isekai "genre" is in this state as well.

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@Lucifrost Moribito is something I am going to knock out soon. Though yeah, settings like that, in anime, at least are what I prioritize. Secondly, hey like I am not saying cultural distance doesn't matter, granted we in the West often don't understand the Middle Ages, well either thanks to the Enlightenment and Victorian Period.

Still, I am just saying, if I was going to create a fantasy world, that IDK, features Japanese mythology, samurai etc, you would think I would read about Japanese history a bit to understand their culture, mythology etc, so that when I play with it, to create my own world, while it's fantastical, it also feels "authentic" in it's inspiration. Like, I don't think that is a big expectation from a professional writer. Which you know, TBF, a lot of isekai's are coming from web novels, from authors, that aren't much different from glorified fan fiction writers. While I won't look down on people being creative like that, and can even argue that it is possible to write good stuff, it does also explain why the isekai "genre" is in this state as well.

BilboBaggins365 said:
Like, I don't think that is a big expectation from a professional writer.

I agree.

BilboBaggins365 said:
Which you know, TBF, a lot of isekai's are coming from web novels, from authors, that aren't much different from glorified fan fiction writers.

I can't help but wonder why anybody reads those.

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Oct 3, 5:47 PM

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Isekai doesn't have to be bad, it's just that most of them are.

Most isekai ARE simple, surface level turn your brain off formulaic garbage or plain mediocrity, the ones that aren't are the exceptions, not the norm.

And it is true that, most isekai barely take advantage of... being an isekai. You can say it's because they haven't finished yet, but like come on, there is a reason most of the good ones consider the fact that the main character is from another world from the very start, and properly explore it.

The frustrating thing about isekai isn't the fact that there CAN'T be good isekai shows, or the fact that the premise is inherently flawed. Neither of those are the case.

The issue is that it's the genre with a HUGE load of subpar trash every season, and for some reason, they still do well enough to be more successful than a number of a far more original shows.

A ton of them are safe and generic, but for some reason they are still successful. Which I get it, we all have our guilty pleasures of turn your brain off media. For me, my cup of train your brain off fun would be death game anime, which I genuinely enjoy even when knowing I'm watching subpar trash.

But Death game anime hasn't over taken the industry the same way isekai has. And idk, maybe I'm biased, but even though a ton of Death game anime are in the same grade as your average isekai, they tend to be a LOT less "samey".

Mirrai nikki, Gelipnir, King's game, Platinum end.... these aren't good, but they are noticeably more "unique" than 5 random seasonal isekai.

And honestly, that's the biggest problem. The fact that so many of them barely try to do anything even remotely different. I'm fine with bad media, but overly safe, generic media that consistently does well, is just bad for the industry. It's the type of media, that I think AI could easily replace without it getting any "worse".

Again though, that doesn't mean ALL isekai are like that, just most of them are.

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Point 0: new isekai is generic and all the retelling of "hard" game/rpg mechanics gets boring fast. It works when an amateur is writing it in a site because they are warming up their writing.
2. Uma musume is an isekai that should not need to be an isekai, it gives some props to the base horse souls only with that. And we get a weird first episode.
2. Except, the thing that would change in 99% of the isekai is that the isekaied protagonist inner heart won`t monologue about its situation. This is a big plus on things like https://myanimelist.net/anime/52359/Isekai_de_Mofumofu_Nadenade_suru_Tame_ni_Ganbattemasu . That if changed out of isekai, would only lose that. And it is not even core.
Other points is that it loses the ~I am special because of this.
One of the things I liked most in https://myanimelist.net/anime/5197/Dragon_League and Slayers is that they are in that world already, you don`t need the comments taking you out of this of this protagonist that is a surrogate for another viewer commenting on it, like Tensei shitara slime datta ken.
Pokemon, when I was a kid was a story I was expecting to be an isekai, because there were so many isekai about going to a magic world and exploring it. And it is what I think it has better than Digimon.

4 is perfectly summed, I would add it is not medieval europe, it is RPG European world, the only story that did the medieval european setting roots matter to me is Book Worm.

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Your points are all hypothetical. The reality is most isekai are generic, shallow shows with the only reason they're isekai is because the main character dies in the first 5 minutes of the first episode (and some moments the main character has flashbacks every now and then).

There are some good isekai don't get me wrong, but with how many shows we're getting every season, very few can even be called decent imo.

Also, medieval setting is overrated af. Make an isekai anime where the story takes place in a modern time. That'd be interesting.

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Oct 3, 6:29 PM

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About point #2, ""It doesn't need to be Isekai, you could just turn it into regular Fantasy and nothing would change.""

The people who support this sentiment are generally valid in their own way. But that's mostly because they are not primarily seeking isekai shows for the 'vibe' but for the plot instead, like you would do with most other anime. Yet, I would argue that the strength of the isekai 'genre' is how it allows/engages the viewer to insert themselves in an escapist manner, or simply have fun imagining an interesting scenario, instead of just offering a mere plot line to follow.

Basically... Yeah, of course 90% of isekai don't actually need to be isekais! But 90% of other fantasy shows also don't need be fantasies to get their message across either.
The reason why it's good that an isekai is an isekai, even if it's just for the sake of it, is because it establishes a connection between the viewer and the fantasy. And sure, it may be cheap, but it's fun nonetheless!

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The "doesn't need to be isekai" is pretty valid, though.

What could be interesting in an isekai would be the cultural shock, seeing a character from modern day trying to fit in a medieval society, but no, most of the time the main character doesn't feel anything because the new world is just like the MMO he was playing before he died.

If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

Watch more movies, please.

Perhaps, this is hell.

Oct 3, 11:23 PM

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Anything can be complex and high quality no matter what the genre is, even if it is hated.

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The "doesn't need to be isekai" is pretty valid, though.

What could be interesting in an isekai would be the cultural shock, seeing a character from modern day trying to fit in a medieval society, but no, most of the time the main character doesn't feel anything because the new world is just like the MMO he was playing before he died.

@Phosphophyllita
Digimon Adventure did it right. Even Alice in Wonderland from 1865 had more convincing culture shock than anime being made today.

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i like the idea of going to another world. But when I imagine an isekai, i see a low budget mostly 'meaningless' show. (this is a feeling, not a fact or even opinion)
This doesn't apply to all isekai obviously, but whenever I find a good isekai, I don't think of it as an isekai, I think of it as a good story with going to another world being a part of it.

I initially didn't see how isekai could be a genre when it seemed more like a plot point that could lead into a genre like romance, but i realised that it often plays a similar role as slice of life in practise. A way to relax. Still seems weird that isekai is called isekai when the purpose could be fulfilled without 'going to another world' imo, but it's probably a consequence of how isekai came to be. This relaxing effect didn't really work on me when I tried a most 'low-quality' isekai (like the vending machine one), but one or two did do it somewhat.

So i wouldn't mind isekai, unless there were so many of them, kind of like rogue-likes when it comes to indie games. I can see a clip, be interested, then go ah!, it's a rogue-like/isekai and lose interest because i know i dont generally enjoy the genres. It stings all the more because i can see how they could be story / even sandbox games with the rogue-like example, but because of budget and easy profit they won't be. This makes me biased against them somewhat

Otherwise the only thing bothering me is them not fulfilling the 'going to another world' potential. It could be a fever dream world or the 4th dimension or anything strange and wonderous, but the base setting (general averaged out medieval europe) gets diluted because of the sheer volume. I like medieval settings a lot, but even isekai I like (ascendance of a bookworm etc.) seem generic at least at the start. A world doesn't NEED to elevate a story, but it definitely can (Dark souls series, Witch hat atelier, Dungeon meshi (Good example for the isekais)).

Oct 4, 8:28 AM

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The "doesn't need to be isekai" is pretty valid, though.

What could be interesting in an isekai would be the cultural shock, seeing a character from modern day trying to fit in a medieval society, but no, most of the time the main character doesn't feel anything because the new world is just like the MMO he was playing before he died.

@Phosphophyllita that's another reason digimon is the best

Oct 4, 8:30 AM

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Digimon shows there can be good isekai (also hear about Re:zero and konusuba being good), but most aren't

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>The most ridiculous prejudices against Isekai
>unoriginal retarded replies

>most "discussion" is arguing with a hivemind (even sheeps are smarter and less of a hivemind) and talking to a wall
>most criticism of isekai (specifically targeted) is just based on elitist buzzword slop and anti-intellectualism,
just on this thread alone
I. x show is isekai just because (SAO, Digimon, Uma Musume) im a moron btw,
II. is it good?Wuuahh,( elitist pretension is just a performance)
III. uncaring for novelty: these rating on mal don't anything at all
IIII. "all the same" idiocy (same with every genre like ever), (but who cares, when i'm just bio-mass who consumes)
V. muh low budget, money laundering, advertising to losers (wow, what a profound understanding of the world)
VI. it's all trash, except everything i like (incompetent and badly executed, but i like dogshit kagejitsu, i can justify it without knowing anything: listen to retarded morons like me i
know what's best for everyone)
VII why is it donig great? instead of all the trash i ilke, instead actually searching for an answer, i just will validate it by saying nothing specific don't actually go into the
arguments and suck my own dick
VIII isekai don't ever talk about being isekai or use it, re: zero fucking doesn't either, you mindless drone,what does this even?
VIIII. Worshipping Europe, gatekeeping and cocksucking professionals like the elitist caricature (Isekais also aren't medieval european worlds)
X. All your points aren't real actually, i will just repeat everything my handlers told me about the entirety, i will just repeat memes. oh! and also make something that already
exists plenty

So yeah, watching anime for the "plot" and perfomative points kinda makes you an idiot, not dialectically mixing it with "vibes" which is a significant precentage of this medium, just screams being "i care about internal consistency and character development ahh" midwit

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Well it looks like you've kind of answered your own question, phrased a certain way to suggest there's no valid criticism of Isekai.
Maybe there isn't any critical merit to those arguments, but I don't see much critical merit to most isekai.
My problem with isekai isn't the idea of going to another world; that in itself is a very interesting concept that's been with us for centuries.. like CS Lewis and all that. Narnia, and Alice in Wonderland is another, lots of others. A lot *could* be done with that concept...
The problem is that (isekai) they're all the same; just these very repetitive, juvenile harem-fantasies that are just full of archetype characters, and tropes.

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>The most ridiculous prejudices against Isekai
>unoriginal retarded replies

>most "discussion" is arguing with a hivemind (even sheeps are smarter and less of a hivemind) and talking to a wall
>most criticism of isekai (specifically targeted) is just based on elitist buzzword slop and anti-intellectualism,
just on this thread alone
I. x show is isekai just because (SAO, Digimon, Uma Musume) im a moron btw,
II. is it good?Wuuahh,( elitist pretension is just a performance)
III. uncaring for novelty: these rating on mal don't anything at all
IIII. "all the same" idiocy (same with every genre like ever), (but who cares, when i'm just bio-mass who consumes)
V. muh low budget, money laundering, advertising to losers (wow, what a profound understanding of the world)
VI. it's all trash, except everything i like (incompetent and badly executed, but i like dogshit kagejitsu, i can justify it without knowing anything: listen to retarded morons like me i
know what's best for everyone)
VII why is it donig great? instead of all the trash i ilke, instead actually searching for an answer, i just will validate it by saying nothing specific don't actually go into the
arguments and suck my own dick
VIII isekai don't ever talk about being isekai or use it, re: zero fucking doesn't either, you mindless drone,what does this even?
VIIII. Worshipping Europe, gatekeeping and cocksucking professionals like the elitist caricature (Isekais also aren't medieval european worlds)
X. All your points aren't real actually, i will just repeat everything my handlers told me about the entirety, i will just repeat memes. oh! and also make something that already
exists plenty

So yeah, watching anime for the "plot" and perfomative points kinda makes you an idiot, not dialectically mixing it with "vibes" which is a significant precentage of this medium, just screams being "i care about internal consistency and character development ahh" midwit

@Flick_on Here fix this https://www.cuemath.com/numbers/4-in-roman-numerals/ IV, IX

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>The most ridiculous prejudices against Isekai
>unoriginal retarded replies

>most "discussion" is arguing with a hivemind (even sheeps are smarter and less of a hivemind) and talking to a wall
>most criticism of isekai (specifically targeted) is just based on elitist buzzword slop and anti-intellectualism,
just on this thread alone
I. x show is isekai just because (SAO, Digimon, Uma Musume) im a moron btw,
II. is it good?Wuuahh,( elitist pretension is just a performance)
III. uncaring for novelty: these rating on mal don't anything at all
IIII. "all the same" idiocy (same with every genre like ever), (but who cares, when i'm just bio-mass who consumes)
V. muh low budget, money laundering, advertising to losers (wow, what a profound understanding of the world)
VI. it's all trash, except everything i like (incompetent and badly executed, but i like dogshit kagejitsu, i can justify it without knowing anything: listen to retarded morons like me i
know what's best for everyone)
VII why is it donig great? instead of all the trash i ilke, instead actually searching for an answer, i just will validate it by saying nothing specific don't actually go into the
arguments and suck my own dick
VIII isekai don't ever talk about being isekai or use it, re: zero fucking doesn't either, you mindless drone,what does this even?
VIIII. Worshipping Europe, gatekeeping and cocksucking professionals like the elitist caricature (Isekais also aren't medieval european worlds)
X. All your points aren't real actually, i will just repeat everything my handlers told me about the entirety, i will just repeat memes. oh! and also make something that already
exists plenty

So yeah, watching anime for the "plot" and perfomative points kinda makes you an idiot, not dialectically mixing it with "vibes" which is a significant precentage of this medium, just screams being "i care about internal consistency and character development ahh" midwit

Flick_on said:
VIIII. Worshipping Europe, gatekeeping and cocksucking professionals like the elitist caricature (Isekais also aren't medieval european worlds)

I assume this is aimed at me, since I brought it up. Uh where I am worshiping anything lol? I am saying it's good to have real world inspiration, when you write anything, because looking at reality informs you about reality lol. Miyazaki isn't wrong about that.

Even fantasy works, are just reflections of our reality. Unless you entirely establish different norms, people do expect an internal logic/authenticity that you could reasonably see in the real world, if certain conditions were met. I mean that is why we engage with media is it not? To escape? And you can only escape if it could feel real. What is so gatekeeping about this lol? I mean if you want people to pay money for a story, you should put thought into it. Do research etc, hey Bakuman talks about this too.

Flick_on said:
VII why is it donig great? instead of all the trash i ilke, instead actually searching for an answer, i just will validate it by saying nothing specific don't actually go into the
arguments and suck my own dick

I think you are doing that more here, since you don't engage with people, and wax about how we are all stupid, when you can't even format your own paragraphs properly and don't know how to use roman numerals either (just use normal numbers pretentious one lol).

Instead of going on a schizo rant, you can engage with people and talk to them about their views, and disagree respectfully, however, if you want rage bait trolling, well feel free. I always love to fling a good insult. It can be a good way to vent.

Personally I am not an elitist, because i don't insult people over their preferences in media, unlike you my good elitist, I just insult them based on their actual character. And yours kinda sucks dude. IDK why you are triggered about people not liking certain concepts. The anime community gets so triggered about this lol. It's fine if people don't like things you like.

BilboBaggins365Oct 5, 2:14 PM

Oct 6, 5:33 PM

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Isekai "discourse" is just one circlejerk out of at least a dozen and in five years it will still be circlejerking the same talking points in the manner of "It just isn't worth talking about, man" as with everything,
if its so important that there needs to be a thread and videos about it every month, then you would expect more than surface-level shit but that's just anime "engagement" in general. yes if it's surface-level dumbassery and all the people with it i'm gonna call it stupid, i mean it's just disillusionment to not call it that

I don't engage with people because pretty much all points and pathologies layed out here aren't even just theirs, it goes beyond personal manifestation of this (I'm not gonna say NPC, but it's really close to it)

I'm also don't believe if anime fans actually engaged with the media they suppossedly love as it is instead forming its engagement based on mythologies, hearsay, conformity and preemptive narrative analysis based on tropes, isekai would suddenly liked more but at least it would enlighten their mind about the medium in general and a lot of these maxims would effectively disappear

Oct 6, 5:45 PM

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Isekai is even worse than worshipping Europe, it's worshipping the worthless non-art that is video games

Oct 6, 9:35 PM

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Isekai "discourse" is just one circlejerk out of at least a dozen and in five years it will still be circlejerking the same talking points in the manner of "It just isn't worth talking about, man" as with everything,
if its so important that there needs to be a thread and videos about it every month, then you would expect more than surface-level shit but that's just anime "engagement" in general. yes if it's surface-level dumbassery and all the people with it i'm gonna call it stupid, i mean it's just disillusionment to not call it that

I don't engage with people because pretty much all points and pathologies layed out here aren't even just theirs, it goes beyond personal manifestation of this (I'm not gonna say NPC, but it's really close to it)

I'm also don't believe if anime fans actually engaged with the media they suppossedly love as it is instead forming its engagement based on mythologies, hearsay, conformity and preemptive narrative analysis based on tropes, isekai would suddenly liked more but at least it would enlighten their mind about the medium in general and a lot of these maxims would effectively disappear

Flick_on said:
Isekai "discourse" is just one circlejerk out of at least a dozen and in five years it will still be circlejerking the same talking points in the manner of "It just isn't worth talking about, man" as with everything,

Yet you read, and make posts, how interesting. I do agree it is a waste of time, yeah should do that less. Still though why are you here, if you admit that? Don't bother defending the precious isekai, from said so called NPCs lol. It's a waste right?

Plus it's not like I just made generic responses either, I talked about Shield Hero, since it was one of the examples the OP used. I gave specifics...what more do I have to do, for it to not be "generic" in your mind lol?

Flick_on said:
I'm also don't believe if anime fans actually engaged with the media they suppossedly love as it is instead forming its engagement based on mythologies, hearsay, conformity and preemptive narrative analysis based on tropes, isekai would suddenly liked more but at least it would enlighten their mind about the medium in general and a lot of these maxims would effectively disappear

What are you just butthurt people don't like specific tropes lol? There is no mythologies here, I have watched some, and there are things I don't like universally in many....it's that simple dude. You don't need to watch every single major show in a genre to give opinions on it. I don't listen to anitubers, people online, and I really only just post here, and it's rarely about isekai. Sure maybe everyone shares a certain opinion because they are NPCs, or just maybe, it's because there is an element of truth, for a lot of people regarding these works eh?

Flick_on said:
I don't engage with people because pretty much all points and pathologies layed out here aren't even just theirs, it goes beyond personal manifestation of this (I'm not gonna say NPC, but it's really close to it)

Nah it's mine actually, and nice excuse to run away from views that challenge yours.....boring and cowardly in my opinion. If you just want to sneer at others, don't make posts at all. What is the point, of making a post on a public forum, if you don't interact? Taking a highly righteous, "I am above everything" approach is also very generic dude, it's not an original take.

BilboBaggins365Oct 6, 9:42 PM

Oct 6, 9:41 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
3. "The Isekai betrayed its own premise."
Another popular phrase, though not as much as the previous two. This one, in my opinion, is usually caused by people who make up premises about an Isekai that don't come to pass, then get angry about them not coming to pass and accusing the Isekai to have "lied" about the premise even though the whole premise was just that person's own hallucination from the start. Obvious examples are people complaining that Reincarnated as a Slime isn't about the desperate struggle of a weak slime despite Rimuru never being portrayed as weak, or Shield Hero not being about Naofumi being on a 24/7 revenge tour for the whole story, despite no concrete indications that this would be the case. It's all just a hallucinated premise.

That one is just cope.
The Tate no Yuusha author literally chose major events via forum polls, it's laughable to say that they had long-term plans.
It's common for narou-kei isekai to just abandon their premises and become generic at some point, it's just how it is.

Oct 6, 10:24 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
3. "The Isekai betrayed its own premise."
Another popular phrase, though not as much as the previous two. This one, in my opinion, is usually caused by people who make up premises about an Isekai that don't come to pass, then get angry about them not coming to pass and accusing the Isekai to have "lied" about the premise even though the whole premise was just that person's own hallucination from the start. Obvious examples are people complaining that Reincarnated as a Slime isn't about the desperate struggle of a weak slime despite Rimuru never being portrayed as weak, or Shield Hero not being about Naofumi being on a 24/7 revenge tour for the whole story, despite no concrete indications that this would be the case. It's all just a hallucinated premise.

That one is just cope.
The Tate no Yuusha author literally chose major events via forum polls, it's laughable to say that they had long-term plans.
It's common for narou-kei isekai to just abandon their premises and become generic at some point, it's just how it is.

thewiru said:
It's common for narou-kei isekai to just abandon their premises and become generic at some point, it's just how it is.

I dropped the spider isekai when it stopped being about a spider. It actually took longer than I expected; the anime doesn't get that far.
I dropped Konosuba when it stopped being funny.

その目だれの目？

Oct 6, 10:43 PM

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Most of the prejudices are right. I have read my fair share of isekai mangas and these prejudices apply to a large chunk of the stuff that I read.

-Tohka is better than Kurumi. You can't change my mind.

Oct 6, 10:50 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
3. "The Isekai betrayed its own premise."
Another popular phrase, though not as much as the previous two. This one, in my opinion, is usually caused by people who make up premises about an Isekai that don't come to pass, then get angry about them not coming to pass and accusing the Isekai to have "lied" about the premise even though the whole premise was just that person's own hallucination from the start. Obvious examples are people complaining that Reincarnated as a Slime isn't about the desperate struggle of a weak slime despite Rimuru never being portrayed as weak, or Shield Hero not being about Naofumi being on a 24/7 revenge tour for the whole story, despite no concrete indications that this would be the case. It's all just a hallucinated premise.

That one is just cope.
The Tate no Yuusha author literally chose major events via forum polls, it's laughable to say that they had long-term plans.
It's common for narou-kei isekai to just abandon their premises and become generic at some point, it's just how it is.

thewiru said:
The Tate no Yuusha author literally chose major events via forum polls, it's laughable to say that they had long-term plans.

What really lol? Honestly now I judge the readers more for that.

Oct 6, 10:58 PM

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