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Jan 5, 4:44 PM
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For me, I find Fruits Basket a very progressive anime because of the main theme of kindness. I also think that the diversity of cultures, nations and ethnicity in Fullmetal Alchemist really progressive. I also find Frieren, Kusuriya, HunterxHunter, JoJo and Fate series progressive as well. |
Jan 5, 4:46 PM
#2
interspecies reviewers is about diversity and progressive especially sex positivity |
Jan 5, 4:56 PM
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interspecies reviewers is about diversity and progressive especially sex positivity
I would actually make this argument unironically as the show uses its absurd premise in clever ways to add in some social commentary. I like how the show has an episode actively talking about how important communication is in relationships which is a rarity for shows Western or Eastern to do. |
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Jan 5, 5:30 PM
#4
One Piece has some pretty progressive undertones to its writing and narrative themes. While some early attempts at representation can be a bit iffy by today's standards, there's an overall theme of accepting others even if they are different to who you are. The series is pretty well liked in some LGBT spaces for some positive queer characters. Bentham/Bon Kurei is a bigender character in the Japanese version of the manga and is a very well written character even if his appearance does play into some stereotypes. Ivankov is a genderfluid character who can change their physical appearance to both a male and female form by changing the hormones in their body, and they can change other people's hormones too and is shown to do that to willing people to help them transition, or in combat as a fun ability as there are so many things that are affected by one's hormones. Kiku is an a trans woman introduced rather recently in the run of the series who is actively respected for her gender identity by the characters in the story. There is another character who is implied to be trans and has their identity respected, but I wont talk about them because some nasty people get really upset when you talk about them and get actively transphobic. Another part of One Piece that is progressive is the way in which the characters actively fight back against oppression. The World Government in One Piece is actively totalitarian and militaristic, with many people in positions of power using it to hurt others. A lot of the characters who are portrayed to the audience as heroic actively do things that go against the World Government and show a rebellious spirit in the face of oppression. A lot of the pirates are essentially anarchists and the Straw Hats use this rebellious spirit of freedom and adventure to actively help out people in need along their journey. They have even been shown to be against slavery which is practiced by some of the elites in the world of One Piece Shaman King is also a pretty diverse franchise, but I would say it does have some flaws with its representation. Joco is probably the biggest example as in the original printing of the manga and in the 2001 anime, he is portrayed with big lips as a black character, which has an unfortunate comparison to racist depictions of black people. Later adaptations of the series and sequels drawn by the original author remove the lips to get rid of those connotations. Shaman King has a lot of representation of different cultures and religions through the shamans and spirits being from different cultures. HoroHoro is an Ainu character which is an indigenous tribe located in Hokkaido who have historically struggled with discrimination in Japan. He is a member of the show's main cast after he first fights Yoh and ends up becoming a pretty reliable ally. The Patch Tribe are a fictional Native American tribe that appear throughout the series and officiate the tournament to determine the Shaman King. There are entrants to the tournament from all over the world with characters from countries like Mexico and Germany making an appearance, as well as areas like the Middle East having combatants too. There are also references to various elements of classic literature, religions, and myth all over the series from all the countries that are involved. There are some stereotypes but it generally isn't handled in a negative way and it can be pretty fun to see characters from cultures you do not often see represented in Japanese anime |
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Jan 5, 5:32 PM
#5
Reply to LSSJ_Chloe
I would actually make this argument unironically as the show uses its absurd premise in clever ways to add in some social commentary. I like how the show has an episode actively talking about how important communication is in relationships which is a rarity for shows Western or Eastern to do.
@LSSJ_Gaming ye true i think i remember about that communication is important in ships episode |
Jan 5, 5:49 PM
#6
In its own bizarre way, Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure. Hard to describe, but it strikes its own brand of unabashed masculinity that the lesser educated would discount as gay undertones, all while also having gay undertones. The perfect anime. |
Jan 5, 6:06 PM
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Jan 5, 6:15 PM
#8
There are two definitions of progressive here, that usually (Though not always) tend to overlap: The first has to do with something being "avant-garde" in talking about or showing things that are usually "hidden under the rug" or that people" usually don't talk about, sensitive topics. The second pertains to an anime being socially progressive. For instance, should Oshiete Galko-chan be classified as progressive for it's positive representation of different body-types, anti-stereotype themes and putting girls talking about stuff you usually wouldn't expect girls to talk to in anime? Should Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete be considered progressive for it's sex-positive nature and neurodivergent coded main-characters? Should Mushoku Tensei Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu be considered progressive since it's author is pretty open about it dealing with sexuality in a way that doesn't treat it as "sinful" nor "spectacularized"? Should Made in Abyss be classified as progressive for it's naturalist presentation of it's world that go against prudish western sensibilities? I can also see Vueko as a character that both SA victims and sapphics could relate to. Which brings us a very interesting question: Is "progressive anime" and "anime that progressives like" the same thing? Leaving philosophy aside and going for the most "common sense" definition of progressive, my picks would be: Hisone to Maso-tan (Deals with the struggles of women in male-dominated spaces, and is quite explicit at that. I think it would also check the "diverse cast" box.) Shinsekai yori (I don't think I need to explain this one) Hakumei to Mikochi (No actual explanation in this one, it just has 'the vibes') Araburu Kisetsu no Otome-domo yo (Deals with the contradictory nature of prudish moralism) Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na (Diverse) Wonder Egg Priority (Queer-positive, explicit gay and trans characters) Koukyoushihen Eureka Seven (Counter-cultural aesthetics) Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans (Diverse) Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku (Possibly the first instance of a male mahou-shoujo being taken seriously, explicitly gay couple) Nomad: Megalo Box 2 (Deals with immigrants/refugees. Possibly in the most heavy-handed way possible, but hey, at least it does.) Kusuriya no Hitorigoto (Just watch this video) Mahoutsukai Tai (Vibes + explicitly gay character) Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou (Gay gay homosexual gay) Magi Sinbad no Bouken TV (Deals with the subject on how different societies have different cultures, like one society were the gender roles are reversed) I could also mention Appare-Ranman and Hoshiai no Sora, but I think they kinda suck, lol. Also, I personally view the defense of incest as progressive, in which case I would add anime such as Selector Infected WIXOSS and would give extra points for WataOshi for letting it be quite explicit that homosexual and incestuous relationships are of the same nature, but people don't tend to agree with em on that one. |
Jan 5, 6:21 PM
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Jan 5, 8:13 PM
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Jan 5, 9:17 PM
#11
Dungeon Meshi, from the stuff I watched recently. The main cast is very diverse, but I just enjoy how they play off of each other and work together, even when they get annoyed with each other all the time. Every day they have to deal with the different sets of strengths and weaknesses of different races; some have a keener sense of hearing, others are more resistant to mind control, and others flip a switch when the fighting starts and refuse to listen to anyone. They have to overcome or accommodate differences in customs and values. Sometimes they have deep-seated distrust or hatred of other races, but often with good (or at least interesting) reason. Even ignoring the relationships between races, their race and culture gives the characters distinct and interesting background and worldview. Senshi comes from a completely different world from Marcille. The very setting of a dungeon brings all kinds of people from around the world. There are some political shenanigans going on in the background, with different interest groups (often grouped by race) pursuing their own goals, often at the expense of other groups. Even though it's always there, I like that the show doesn't really make that big a deal out of race relationships. It's just a way of life, and like it or not, they have to party up with whomever they can to survive and make a living. |
perseiiJan 5, 9:21 PM
Jan 5, 9:20 PM
#12
Gundam-the only anime franchise to canonically feature autistic characters (and many more that can easily be argued) and touches on the topic of disabilities either directly or indirectly more than once, features truly strong girls and women (not just physically, ones that actually have character and are important because of who they are) since 1978 and features LGBTQ undertones since Char and Garma and diverse ethnicities Digimon -okay this is half a joke but for a boys children anime to actually treat it's female characters with tons of respect wasn't and still somewhat isn't obvious Revolutionary girl utena -there's the obvious commentary about feminism and LGBTQ support but I want to add that how the series does it is very important since the story never forgets that in the end everyone, men and women suffer from society's expectations and gender roles and in the end in one way or another we are all victims of the structure but it never takes away responsibility from people who hurt others Evangelion -obviously dealing with mental struggles but I'd argue for Rei, intentionally or not being a very good neuro divergent metaphor, also Shinji and Kowaru and the gender commentary Code geass-I guess there is more to it but I just want to shout out Nanali (it's the name right?) which is one of my favourite treatments of a physically disabled characters and if I ever finish it jt's because of her Nadia and the secret of blue water-maybe just vibes but I have the vibe Anime has a lot of diversity and it does it better than the west a lot of time, I specifically focus on disabilities and autism due to it being personal for me and I feel it's left out unless one of us talks about it but anime has some great representation and characters that are probably ones without it feeling fake like so much western representation *cough cough* the good doctor *cough cough* |
Jan 6, 4:42 AM
#13
Doesn't get much more diverse and progressive than The 100 Girlfriends
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Jan 6, 5:28 AM
#14
https://myanimelist.net/anime/5220/Shangri-La?q=shangri-la&cat=anime This one from 2009 is very "progressive" for its time. It has a trans character that isn't treated like a comedic relief. Edit: actually it has two. I didn't know the fat guy was a trans woman lmfao. |
Jan 6, 7:38 AM
#15
Kindness being progressive? What? By OP logic, any shounen protagonist who forgives the villain is a "progressive" lol. Goku progressive? Huh. Since when having LGBT+ characters is synonym of being progressive? a sexual orientation existence isn't progressive per se, same with race and sex. Do you people know LGBT+ conservatives, black conservatives and women conservatives exist? You don't even know the character political affiliation in the first place to claim they are "progressive". Anime is mostly a conservative media, even the most sexual or the average hentai Anime follow conservative ideas. FMAB which OP somehow claim is "progressive" is actually one of the most obvious examples of a conservative Anime: strong military, strong Leader and nationalism being the most obvious aspects. People here are confusing being diverse and progressive, they are not the same thing. Anime IS diverse and predominantly conservative. The rest is apolitical in nature. |
ToumaTachibanaJan 6, 7:54 AM
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Jan 6, 8:01 AM
#16
Reply to ToumaTachibana
Kindness being progressive? What? By OP logic, any shounen protagonist who forgives the villain is a "progressive" lol. Goku progressive? Huh. Since when having LGBT+ characters is synonym of being progressive? a sexual orientation existence isn't progressive per se, same with race and sex. Do you people know LGBT+ conservatives, black conservatives and women conservatives exist? You don't even know the character political affiliation in the first place to claim they are "progressive". Anime is mostly a conservative media, even the most sexual or the average hentai Anime follow conservative ideas.
FMAB which OP somehow claim is "progressive" is actually one of the most obvious examples of a conservative Anime: strong military, strong Leader and nationalism being the most obvious aspects. People here are confusing being diverse and progressive, they are not the same thing. Anime IS diverse and predominantly conservative. The rest is apolitical in nature.
FMAB which OP somehow claim is "progressive" is actually one of the most obvious examples of a conservative Anime: strong military, strong Leader and nationalism being the most obvious aspects. People here are confusing being diverse and progressive, they are not the same thing. Anime IS diverse and predominantly conservative. The rest is apolitical in nature.
@Nurguburu Depiction is not endorsement. I'm not a huge fan of FMA but I feel the series stance on militarism and nationalism is quite clear. Arakawa said she based the Ishvalens on the Ainu, who were heavily oppressed and forced to culturally assimilate after the Japanese annexation of Hokkaido. The final battle is also not against some external force but instead banding together with people of many nations and backgrounds to destroy the enemy that was always at the head of the military apparatus. Imperialism is the literal monster. |
Jan 6, 8:04 AM
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Jan 6, 8:37 AM
#18
Reply to thewiru
There are two definitions of progressive here, that usually (Though not always) tend to overlap: The first has to do with something being "avant-garde" in talking about or showing things that are usually "hidden under the rug" or that people" usually don't talk about, sensitive topics.
The second pertains to an anime being socially progressive.
For instance, should Oshiete Galko-chan be classified as progressive for it's positive representation of different body-types, anti-stereotype themes and putting girls talking about stuff you usually wouldn't expect girls to talk to in anime?
Should Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete be considered progressive for it's sex-positive nature and neurodivergent coded main-characters?
Should Mushoku Tensei Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu be considered progressive since it's author is pretty open about it dealing with sexuality in a way that doesn't treat it as "sinful" nor "spectacularized"?
Should Made in Abyss be classified as progressive for it's naturalist presentation of it's world that go against prudish western sensibilities? I can also see Vueko as a character that both SA victims and sapphics could relate to.
Which brings us a very interesting question: Is "progressive anime" and "anime that progressives like" the same thing?
Leaving philosophy aside and going for the most "common sense" definition of progressive, my picks would be:
Hisone to Maso-tan (Deals with the struggles of women in male-dominated spaces, and is quite explicit at that. I think it would also check the "diverse cast" box.)
Shinsekai yori (I don't think I need to explain this one)
Hakumei to Mikochi (No actual explanation in this one, it just has 'the vibes')
Araburu Kisetsu no Otome-domo yo (Deals with the contradictory nature of prudish moralism)
Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na (Diverse)
Wonder Egg Priority (Queer-positive, explicit gay and trans characters)
Koukyoushihen Eureka Seven (Counter-cultural aesthetics)
Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans (Diverse)
Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku (Possibly the first instance of a male mahou-shoujo being taken seriously, explicitly gay couple)
Nomad: Megalo Box 2 (Deals with immigrants/refugees. Possibly in the most heavy-handed way possible, but hey, at least it does.)
Kusuriya no Hitorigoto (Just watch this video)
Mahoutsukai Tai (Vibes + explicitly gay character)
Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou (Gay gay homosexual gay)
Magi Sinbad no Bouken TV (Deals with the subject on how different societies have different cultures, like one society were the gender roles are reversed)
I could also mention Appare-Ranman and Hoshiai no Sora, but I think they kinda suck, lol.
Also, I personally view the defense of incest as progressive, in which case I would add anime such as Selector Infected WIXOSS and would give extra points for WataOshi for letting it be quite explicit that homosexual and incestuous relationships are of the same nature, but people don't tend to agree with em on that one.
The second pertains to an anime being socially progressive.
For instance, should Oshiete Galko-chan be classified as progressive for it's positive representation of different body-types, anti-stereotype themes and putting girls talking about stuff you usually wouldn't expect girls to talk to in anime?
Should Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete be considered progressive for it's sex-positive nature and neurodivergent coded main-characters?
Should Mushoku Tensei Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu be considered progressive since it's author is pretty open about it dealing with sexuality in a way that doesn't treat it as "sinful" nor "spectacularized"?
Should Made in Abyss be classified as progressive for it's naturalist presentation of it's world that go against prudish western sensibilities? I can also see Vueko as a character that both SA victims and sapphics could relate to.
Which brings us a very interesting question: Is "progressive anime" and "anime that progressives like" the same thing?
Leaving philosophy aside and going for the most "common sense" definition of progressive, my picks would be:
Hisone to Maso-tan (Deals with the struggles of women in male-dominated spaces, and is quite explicit at that. I think it would also check the "diverse cast" box.)
Shinsekai yori (I don't think I need to explain this one)
Hakumei to Mikochi (No actual explanation in this one, it just has 'the vibes')
Araburu Kisetsu no Otome-domo yo (Deals with the contradictory nature of prudish moralism)
Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na (Diverse)
Wonder Egg Priority (Queer-positive, explicit gay and trans characters)
Koukyoushihen Eureka Seven (Counter-cultural aesthetics)
Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans (Diverse)
Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku (Possibly the first instance of a male mahou-shoujo being taken seriously, explicitly gay couple)
Nomad: Megalo Box 2 (Deals with immigrants/refugees. Possibly in the most heavy-handed way possible, but hey, at least it does.)
Kusuriya no Hitorigoto (Just watch this video)
Mahoutsukai Tai (Vibes + explicitly gay character)
Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou (Gay gay homosexual gay)
Magi Sinbad no Bouken TV (Deals with the subject on how different societies have different cultures, like one society were the gender roles are reversed)
I could also mention Appare-Ranman and Hoshiai no Sora, but I think they kinda suck, lol.
Also, I personally view the defense of incest as progressive, in which case I would add anime such as Selector Infected WIXOSS and would give extra points for WataOshi for letting it be quite explicit that homosexual and incestuous relationships are of the same nature, but people don't tend to agree with em on that one.
thewiru said: Shinsekai yori (I don't think I need to explain this one) Yes you do, because if you are talking about the bonobo thing, that was part of the exact same regime that promoted "extreme late term abortion". |
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Jan 6, 8:48 AM
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Jan 6, 11:37 AM
#20
Reply to JaniSIr
thewiru said:
Shinsekai yori (I don't think I need to explain this one)
Shinsekai yori (I don't think I need to explain this one)
Yes you do, because if you are talking about the bonobo thing, that was part of the exact same regime that promoted "extreme late term abortion".
@JaniSIr Am I supposed to know what this refers to? |
Jan 6, 11:47 AM
#21
Yeah, FMA: Brotherhood is always a good one to look at for being progressive. Clear anti-genocide and anti-war messages. People from different races and ethnicities teaming up to fight a fascist government, the show's literal commodification of people as more or less a metaphor for greed & money, etc. Pretty much any show where people are fighting totalitarian regimes or oppression is almost certainly going to possess some progressive-y viewpoints, and even shows where there are merely challenges to the status quo could easily have some. Shows where compassion, cooperation, empathy, or being oneself are emphasized or valued are other anime that are probably going to have some progressive messaging hiding in them somewhere. With that in mind I'd say Code Geass, Zombieland Saga, Gurren Lagann, Fate/Stay Night, The Promised Neverland, and Wonder Egg Priority are a few progressive-leaning shows. A lot of these are pretty surface level, but in this day and age that's all they'd probably need to be considered progressive: Black Lagoon has a black character and killing of neo-nazis Gundam: Witch From Mercury has the lesbos. Ghost Stories, cuz, ya know |
Jan 6, 11:49 AM
#22
Reply to thewiru
@JaniSIr Am I supposed to know what this refers to?
@thewiru Well yes, if you watched the anime. Sort of the whole plot is how their dystopian society tries to maintain order, including the state legally killing kids until they are 17, various forms of mind control and memory manipulation, and genetically programming kids to resolve conflicts in a sexual way like bonobos, instead of open conflict. |
Kimochi Warui |
Jan 6, 12:21 PM
#23
Reply to JaniSIr
@thewiru Well yes, if you watched the anime.
Sort of the whole plot is how their dystopian society tries to maintain order, including the state legally killing kids until they are 17, various forms of mind control and memory manipulation, and genetically programming kids to resolve conflicts in a sexual way like bonobos, instead of open conflict.
Sort of the whole plot is how their dystopian society tries to maintain order, including the state legally killing kids until they are 17, various forms of mind control and memory manipulation, and genetically programming kids to resolve conflicts in a sexual way like bonobos, instead of open conflict.
@JaniSIr Oh, I thought you were referring to some IRL country. I maintain my point, lol, it's not like they ever portray that as a positive thing. If something, it is especially progressive because Saki is the one pointing out the systemic problems in that society, including the treatment of the rat-people. |
Jan 6, 12:53 PM
#24
Many shows by these directors, each of whom broke taboos and the rules and by this contributed to diversity and dissenting views in the post-war, very conservative Japanese society. Here are the leading lefties of the anime industry ...
Honorable mentions to Cardcaptor Sakura (1998) which establishes the equality of all sexual orientations. It goes a little bit too far with age difference at times. Also to the no-nonsense, dignified depiction of challenging sexuality such as age-gap incest (Koi Kaze (2004)) or trans-sexuality (Hourou Musuko (2011)). |
inimJan 6, 1:53 PM
Jan 6, 1:10 PM
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Most Gundam entries, are pretty diverse cast wise, while having a typical we need to hate authoritarianism, hate war profiteering, and save the earth from environmental decay messaging. Tomino also did try to have female characters be more prominent in his stories, though TBF, that had mixed results and could go completely in the opposite direction of "progressive". @LSSJ_Gaming I would actually make this argument unironically as the show uses its absurd premise in clever ways to add in some social commentary. I like how the show has an episode actively talking about how important communication is in relationships which is a rarity for shows Western or Eastern to do. Outside of how they treat bird girl, yeah it's pretty good on that. Kinda unfortunate too, because it avoids most of the trappings that I hate in ecchi anime, outside of like that one. At least it's just a few jokes, at the beginning of a few of the episodes. @Nurguburu Huh. Since when having LGBT+ characters is synonym of being progressive? a sexual orientation existence isn't progressive per se, same with race and sex. Do you people know LGBT+ conservatives, black conservatives and women conservatives exist? As someone who is LGBTQ, who also can have quite a few positions that lean right (mostly just on foreign policy/immigration), you would have to pretend that LGBTQ rights were not largely won by left wing parties in the West. To this day, in places like the USA most right wing groups, would like to push back LGBTQ rights, if they could get away with it, and even where they aren't actively doing this it's more like grudging acceptance or a have your rights however, don't be public about it, unlike hetro couples. LGBTQ rights are a largely progressive/left wing position, in most countries. You would have to identify a case where a largely conservative group pushed for those rights, because I can't think of any. FMAB which OP somehow claim is "progressive" is actually one of the most obvious examples of a conservative Anime: strong military, strong Leader and nationalism being the most obvious aspects. People here are confusing being diverse and progressive, they are not the same thing. Anime IS diverse and predominantly conservative. The rest is apolitical in nature. Did you miss the messaging of FMAB? The whole point is Amestris was an evil state, founded on military conquest, blood and imperialism. Now if the West, wrote FMAB, they probably would have Amestris at least dissolved as a state, to fit the progressive nature. It's being written in Japan, so it has this we will reform vibe, similar to what Japan has tried to do. Still I don't think Arakawa would be loved by Japanese conservatives because the Ishvalans, have cloth that is very Ainu in nature. So, once again using the more typical Nazi Germany framing, you have another Japanese artist subtly criticizing their own history. Secondly, hardly lol. I would argue conservative anime are way more in the minority, though they do exist like Irregular at a Magic HS. Also while apolitical fiction can exist, and does exist in anime it is very rare. A lot of really big shows in the medium do have some political messaging for the consumer. They just don't lay it on thick. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 6, 1:18 PM
Jan 6, 1:27 PM
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For it's time period, "Cutie Honey" was an extremely progressive and diverse Anime which challenged gender identity, sexual agency, and female empowerment the way no other animated series ever has before and this was released in the early 70s. Though by today's standards it's seen as more reflective than progressive due to it's heavy sexualization of the protagonist. Still "Cutie Honey" was seen as groundbreaking in it's treatment of gender and identity even up till the 90s. It's also the precursor to Anime later released in the 90s that promoted overt feminism with progressive themes such as "Sailor Moon" and "Revolutionary Girl Utena". Where the growing exposure of Anime in the West in the 90s eventually helped spawn continuations and Alternative Versions of the "Cutie Honey" franchise. Most notably my personal favorite "Shin Cutie Honey" OVA from 1994. |
ColourWheelJan 6, 1:32 PM
Jan 6, 1:30 PM
#27
Shoujo Kakumei Utena Oniisama E... Shin Dousei Jidai: Hawaiian Breeze Gotou ni Naritai. Happy Birthday: Inochi Kagayaku Toki JoJo Momoiro no Crayon Chironup no Kitsune Gankutsuou Koe no Katachi Josee to Tora to Sakana-tachi Banana Fish Fruits Basket AoT Senpai wa Otokonoko Shinseiki Evangelion Runway de Waratte Cardcaptor Sakura Kaze to Ki no Uta Sanctus: Sei Naru Kana Yuu☆Yuu☆Hakusho Level E Patalliro Dorohedoro Kanashimi no Belladonna Devilman: Crybaby Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Samurai Champloo Hellsing Ultimate Boku dake ga Inai Machi Made in Abyss Dounika Naru Hibi |
Jan 6, 1:37 PM
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Cardcaptor sakura had LGBT crushes and also a non binary character |
Jan 6, 1:57 PM
#29
Onimai: MC went from male to female and besides the color scheme, actually comes to accept this change in order to continue a fulfilling life. Birdie Wing: Girlboss MC dominates in a sport dominated by rich white males (Golf) Lycoris Recoil: Two interracial gay men adopt a daughter in a seemingly tolerant modern Japan. Said daughter is okay with the idea that love comes in many forms. Of course, I'm referring to progressive in a western sense which I personally define as "minorities of all kind triumphing over the majority". Some can be revolutionary and bloody but most are just in theme of "I can do whatever I want man". I'm leaning to the idea that the shows I mentioned were not made with western progressivism in mind and only happened to turn out as such. |
six20Jan 6, 2:27 PM
Jan 6, 2:07 PM
#31
Progressive is all just a big sham. The left vs right is all just a false paradigm. It is all in support of the status quo aka capitalism |
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Jan 6, 2:25 PM
#32
Almost all literature and media can be labeled progressive in some form so I won't go over that but as for diverse I like how JoJo is diverse in showing different cultures (negatives and positives) and ethnicities as well. I'm not going to be one of those people that are going to throw a temper tantrum about most anime having primarily Japanese people in the story but I really liked the way Araki incorporated diversity into the show. |
Go read Berserk and One Piece they're the best thing ever |
Jan 6, 2:41 PM
#33
Imagine being stupid enough to think the depiction of Amestris of FMA to be wholly positive one. They literally called their leader by the title of Fuhrer. The Ishvalans were stated to be based on the Ainu. You cannot be any more media illiterate than to think that the nationalism and dedication to the militaristic state of Amestris depicted in FMA was supposed to be depicted as a good thing. Now it could be argued that it may not be particularly progressive as the state is not torn down or systematically reformed, but instead replaces its leaders (Fair enough, I actually agree), which I suppose could be a type of reform, but the military-ruled government that focused on warfare instead of peace is treated as the wrong approach. You have to be the goddamn stupidest ass motherfucker to think the previous iteration of the state of Amestris was the one being promoted by the author or the anime. I am legitimately very angry that anyone could be this fucking stupid. |
removed-userJan 6, 2:49 PM
Jan 6, 3:10 PM
#34
Reply to removed-user
Imagine being stupid enough to think the depiction of Amestris of FMA to be wholly positive one. They literally called their leader by the title of Fuhrer. The Ishvalans were stated to be based on the Ainu. You cannot be any more media illiterate than to think that the nationalism and dedication to the militaristic state of Amestris depicted in FMA was supposed to be depicted as a good thing.
Now it could be argued that it may not be particularly progressive as the state is not torn down or systematically reformed, but instead replaces its leaders (Fair enough, I actually agree), which I suppose could be a type of reform, but the military-ruled government that focused on warfare instead of peace is treated as the wrong approach.
You have to be the goddamn stupidest ass motherfucker to think the previous iteration of the state of Amestris was the one being promoted by the author or the anime. I am legitimately very angry that anyone could be this fucking stupid.
Now it could be argued that it may not be particularly progressive as the state is not torn down or systematically reformed, but instead replaces its leaders (Fair enough, I actually agree), which I suppose could be a type of reform, but the military-ruled government that focused on warfare instead of peace is treated as the wrong approach.
You have to be the goddamn stupidest ass motherfucker to think the previous iteration of the state of Amestris was the one being promoted by the author or the anime. I am legitimately very angry that anyone could be this fucking stupid.
PeripheralVision said: I am legitimately very angry that anyone could be this fucking stupid. You're going to spend your entire life very angry if you let people believing stupid things make you mad. |
Jan 6, 3:17 PM
#35
Probably world end harem you don't often see so many big titty women who are not only interested in men but in a none chad just reduce your competition proven again. |
I've looked to make a real anime waifu, Too spin my world around like a typhoon, Why do people keep calling me a raccoon, Maybe because I keep stealing anime girls hearts like gru steals the moon. |
Jan 6, 4:46 PM
#36
I think FLCL Progressive is very prog- what do you mean, I'm out? |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Jan 6, 6:21 PM
#37
BilboBaggins365 said: Outside of how they treat bird girl, yeah it's pretty good on that. Kinda unfortunate too, because it avoids most of the trappings that I hate in ecchi anime, outside of like that one. At least it's just a few jokes, at the beginning of a few of the episodes. yeah that is like the one major thing that didn't sit right and could have been handled better, but I definitely feel like there's a lot more positives than negatives especially compared to other ecchi shows which made it a much more enjoyable watch for me |
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Jan 6, 6:42 PM
#38
Reply to mo_lave
Gundam: Witch From Mercury comes to mind
@mo_lave One yuri (baited) pair =/= progressive. You could argue for most mecha shows post-Gundam, but I don't think the Old Left of the 80s is considered to be progressive anymore. Some mention Utena, but that show's so universal about the idea that nobody is perfect that it straight up is ahead of it's time. |
Hot Blood saves lives. |
Jan 6, 8:34 PM
#40
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@kutuya I don’t think you should be saying the “N” word on MAL
@Old_School_Akira And I don't think you should be getting your spit all over me when you speak, yet here we are. |
kutuyaJan 6, 8:39 PM
Jan 6, 8:39 PM
#41
Reply to KittenCuddler
Yeah, FMA: Brotherhood is always a good one to look at for being progressive. Clear anti-genocide and anti-war messages. People from different races and ethnicities teaming up to fight a fascist government, the show's literal commodification of people as more or less a metaphor for greed & money, etc.
Pretty much any show where people are fighting totalitarian regimes or oppression is almost certainly going to possess some progressive-y viewpoints, and even shows where there are merely challenges to the status quo could easily have some. Shows where compassion, cooperation, empathy, or being oneself are emphasized or valued are other anime that are probably going to have some progressive messaging hiding in them somewhere. With that in mind I'd say Code Geass, Zombieland Saga, Gurren Lagann, Fate/Stay Night, The Promised Neverland, and Wonder Egg Priority are a few progressive-leaning shows.
A lot of these are pretty surface level, but in this day and age that's all they'd probably need to be considered progressive:
Black Lagoon has a black character and killing of neo-nazis
Gundam: Witch From Mercury has the lesbos.
Ghost Stories, cuz, ya know

Pretty much any show where people are fighting totalitarian regimes or oppression is almost certainly going to possess some progressive-y viewpoints, and even shows where there are merely challenges to the status quo could easily have some. Shows where compassion, cooperation, empathy, or being oneself are emphasized or valued are other anime that are probably going to have some progressive messaging hiding in them somewhere. With that in mind I'd say Code Geass, Zombieland Saga, Gurren Lagann, Fate/Stay Night, The Promised Neverland, and Wonder Egg Priority are a few progressive-leaning shows.
A lot of these are pretty surface level, but in this day and age that's all they'd probably need to be considered progressive:
Black Lagoon has a black character and killing of neo-nazis
Gundam: Witch From Mercury has the lesbos.
Ghost Stories, cuz, ya know
KittenCuddler said: Gundam: Witch From Mercury has the lesbos. @KittenCuddler Number of lesbians in Kidou Senshi Gundam: Suisei no Majo: 0 (having short hair or being fat isn't what makes someone a lesbian) Number of outspoken homophobes in Kidou Senshi Gundam: Suisei no Majo: At least 1 |
Jan 6, 9:55 PM
#42
Fuckin uhhhhhhhhhh Hugtto Precure is easily the most "progressive" iteration of Pretty Cure. Challenged the shit out of their norms. and then uhhhhh the manga for Card Captor Sakura was super progressive for it's 1996 release. |
Jan 6, 10:05 PM
#43
Reply to Chandela
Fuckin uhhhhhhhhhh Hugtto Precure is easily the most "progressive" iteration of Pretty Cure. Challenged the shit out of their norms.
and then uhhhhh the manga for Card Captor Sakura was super progressive for it's 1996 release.
and then uhhhhh the manga for Card Captor Sakura was super progressive for it's 1996 release.
Chandela said: nd then uhhhhh the manga for Card Captor Sakura was super progressive for it's 1996 release. Cardcaptor Sakura is if anything proof that being progressive can be bad. |
その目だれの目? |
Jan 6, 10:13 PM
#44
Reply to Lucifrost
Chandela said:
nd then uhhhhh the manga for Card Captor Sakura was super progressive for it's 1996 release.
nd then uhhhhh the manga for Card Captor Sakura was super progressive for it's 1996 release.
Cardcaptor Sakura is if anything proof that being progressive can be bad.
@Lucifrost I think today's "progressives" might take issue with CCS, rethinking it now... with the age gap shit and whatnot. Idk bro I don't have a window into that circle; my friends aren't pussies. |
Jan 6, 10:16 PM
#45
Reply to kutuya
@Old_School_Akira And I don't think you should be getting your spit all over me when you speak, yet here we are.
@kutuya why are anime fans so openly racist these days? 😔 |
HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Jan 6, 10:57 PM
#46
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@kutuya why are anime fans so openly racist these days? 😔
@Old_School_Akira Those are not fans, we have a different word for them, and that word is tourists. |
Jan 7, 1:05 AM
#47
Reply to BilboBaggins365
Most Gundam entries, are pretty diverse cast wise, while having a typical we need to hate authoritarianism, hate war profiteering, and save the earth from environmental decay messaging. Tomino also did try to have female characters be more prominent in his stories, though TBF, that had mixed results and could go completely in the opposite direction of "progressive".
@LSSJ_Gaming
Outside of how they treat bird girl, yeah it's pretty good on that. Kinda unfortunate too, because it avoids most of the trappings that I hate in ecchi anime, outside of like that one. At least it's just a few jokes, at the beginning of a few of the episodes.
@Nurguburu
As someone who is LGBTQ, who also can have quite a few positions that lean right (mostly just on foreign policy/immigration), you would have to pretend that LGBTQ rights were not largely won by left wing parties in the West. To this day, in places like the USA most right wing groups, would like to push back LGBTQ rights, if they could get away with it, and even where they aren't actively doing this it's more like grudging acceptance or a have your rights however, don't be public about it, unlike hetro couples. LGBTQ rights are a largely progressive/left wing position, in most countries. You would have to identify a case where a largely conservative group pushed for those rights, because I can't think of any.
Did you miss the messaging of FMAB? The whole point is Amestris was an evil state, founded on military conquest, blood and imperialism. Now if the West, wrote FMAB, they probably would have Amestris at least dissolved as a state, to fit the progressive nature. It's being written in Japan, so it has this we will reform vibe, similar to what Japan has tried to do. Still I don't think Arakawa would be loved by Japanese conservatives because the Ishvalans, have cloth that is very Ainu in nature. So, once again using the more typical Nazi Germany framing, you have another Japanese artist subtly criticizing their own history.
Secondly, hardly lol. I would argue conservative anime are way more in the minority, though they do exist like Irregular at a Magic HS. Also while apolitical fiction can exist, and does exist in anime it is very rare. A lot of really big shows in the medium do have some political messaging for the consumer. They just don't lay it on thick.
@LSSJ_Gaming
I would actually make this argument unironically as the show uses its absurd premise in clever ways to add in some social commentary. I like how the show has an episode actively talking about how important communication is in relationships which is a rarity for shows Western or Eastern to do.
Outside of how they treat bird girl, yeah it's pretty good on that. Kinda unfortunate too, because it avoids most of the trappings that I hate in ecchi anime, outside of like that one. At least it's just a few jokes, at the beginning of a few of the episodes.
@Nurguburu
Huh. Since when having LGBT+ characters is synonym of being progressive? a sexual orientation existence isn't progressive per se, same with race and sex. Do you people know LGBT+ conservatives, black conservatives and women conservatives exist?
As someone who is LGBTQ, who also can have quite a few positions that lean right (mostly just on foreign policy/immigration), you would have to pretend that LGBTQ rights were not largely won by left wing parties in the West. To this day, in places like the USA most right wing groups, would like to push back LGBTQ rights, if they could get away with it, and even where they aren't actively doing this it's more like grudging acceptance or a have your rights however, don't be public about it, unlike hetro couples. LGBTQ rights are a largely progressive/left wing position, in most countries. You would have to identify a case where a largely conservative group pushed for those rights, because I can't think of any.
FMAB which OP somehow claim is "progressive" is actually one of the most obvious examples of a conservative Anime: strong military, strong Leader and nationalism being the most obvious aspects. People here are confusing being diverse and progressive, they are not the same thing. Anime IS diverse and predominantly conservative. The rest is apolitical in nature.
Did you miss the messaging of FMAB? The whole point is Amestris was an evil state, founded on military conquest, blood and imperialism. Now if the West, wrote FMAB, they probably would have Amestris at least dissolved as a state, to fit the progressive nature. It's being written in Japan, so it has this we will reform vibe, similar to what Japan has tried to do. Still I don't think Arakawa would be loved by Japanese conservatives because the Ishvalans, have cloth that is very Ainu in nature. So, once again using the more typical Nazi Germany framing, you have another Japanese artist subtly criticizing their own history.
Secondly, hardly lol. I would argue conservative anime are way more in the minority, though they do exist like Irregular at a Magic HS. Also while apolitical fiction can exist, and does exist in anime it is very rare. A lot of really big shows in the medium do have some political messaging for the consumer. They just don't lay it on thick.
@BilboBaggins365 BilboBaggins365 said: Most Gundam entries, are pretty diverse cast wise, while having a typical we need to hate authoritarianism, hate war profiteering, and save the earth from environmental decay messaging. Tomino also did try to have female characters be more prominent in his stories, though TBF, that had mixed results and could go completely in the opposite direction of "progressive". Yeah the impression I got of Zeta Gundam is that Tomino really wanted to write complex, flawed, independent female characters but he also had very odd ideas about human behaviour, especially women, which rather got in the way. To the people arguing about whether Witch from Mercury is progressive because it has lesbians, I would like to draw your attention to fact that the main thing that series is actually about is how the younger generation needs to break free from cycles of violence and discrimination perpetuated by the older generations, particularly in how they manifest as exploitative military and economic intervention in poor countries by rich countries and corporations. |
Jan 7, 1:05 AM
#48
Reply to BilboBaggins365
Most Gundam entries, are pretty diverse cast wise, while having a typical we need to hate authoritarianism, hate war profiteering, and save the earth from environmental decay messaging. Tomino also did try to have female characters be more prominent in his stories, though TBF, that had mixed results and could go completely in the opposite direction of "progressive".
@LSSJ_Gaming
Outside of how they treat bird girl, yeah it's pretty good on that. Kinda unfortunate too, because it avoids most of the trappings that I hate in ecchi anime, outside of like that one. At least it's just a few jokes, at the beginning of a few of the episodes.
@Nurguburu
As someone who is LGBTQ, who also can have quite a few positions that lean right (mostly just on foreign policy/immigration), you would have to pretend that LGBTQ rights were not largely won by left wing parties in the West. To this day, in places like the USA most right wing groups, would like to push back LGBTQ rights, if they could get away with it, and even where they aren't actively doing this it's more like grudging acceptance or a have your rights however, don't be public about it, unlike hetro couples. LGBTQ rights are a largely progressive/left wing position, in most countries. You would have to identify a case where a largely conservative group pushed for those rights, because I can't think of any.
Did you miss the messaging of FMAB? The whole point is Amestris was an evil state, founded on military conquest, blood and imperialism. Now if the West, wrote FMAB, they probably would have Amestris at least dissolved as a state, to fit the progressive nature. It's being written in Japan, so it has this we will reform vibe, similar to what Japan has tried to do. Still I don't think Arakawa would be loved by Japanese conservatives because the Ishvalans, have cloth that is very Ainu in nature. So, once again using the more typical Nazi Germany framing, you have another Japanese artist subtly criticizing their own history.
Secondly, hardly lol. I would argue conservative anime are way more in the minority, though they do exist like Irregular at a Magic HS. Also while apolitical fiction can exist, and does exist in anime it is very rare. A lot of really big shows in the medium do have some political messaging for the consumer. They just don't lay it on thick.
@LSSJ_Gaming
I would actually make this argument unironically as the show uses its absurd premise in clever ways to add in some social commentary. I like how the show has an episode actively talking about how important communication is in relationships which is a rarity for shows Western or Eastern to do.
Outside of how they treat bird girl, yeah it's pretty good on that. Kinda unfortunate too, because it avoids most of the trappings that I hate in ecchi anime, outside of like that one. At least it's just a few jokes, at the beginning of a few of the episodes.
@Nurguburu
Huh. Since when having LGBT+ characters is synonym of being progressive? a sexual orientation existence isn't progressive per se, same with race and sex. Do you people know LGBT+ conservatives, black conservatives and women conservatives exist?
As someone who is LGBTQ, who also can have quite a few positions that lean right (mostly just on foreign policy/immigration), you would have to pretend that LGBTQ rights were not largely won by left wing parties in the West. To this day, in places like the USA most right wing groups, would like to push back LGBTQ rights, if they could get away with it, and even where they aren't actively doing this it's more like grudging acceptance or a have your rights however, don't be public about it, unlike hetro couples. LGBTQ rights are a largely progressive/left wing position, in most countries. You would have to identify a case where a largely conservative group pushed for those rights, because I can't think of any.
FMAB which OP somehow claim is "progressive" is actually one of the most obvious examples of a conservative Anime: strong military, strong Leader and nationalism being the most obvious aspects. People here are confusing being diverse and progressive, they are not the same thing. Anime IS diverse and predominantly conservative. The rest is apolitical in nature.
Did you miss the messaging of FMAB? The whole point is Amestris was an evil state, founded on military conquest, blood and imperialism. Now if the West, wrote FMAB, they probably would have Amestris at least dissolved as a state, to fit the progressive nature. It's being written in Japan, so it has this we will reform vibe, similar to what Japan has tried to do. Still I don't think Arakawa would be loved by Japanese conservatives because the Ishvalans, have cloth that is very Ainu in nature. So, once again using the more typical Nazi Germany framing, you have another Japanese artist subtly criticizing their own history.
Secondly, hardly lol. I would argue conservative anime are way more in the minority, though they do exist like Irregular at a Magic HS. Also while apolitical fiction can exist, and does exist in anime it is very rare. A lot of really big shows in the medium do have some political messaging for the consumer. They just don't lay it on thick.
@BilboBaggins365 BilboBaggins365 said: Most Gundam entries, are pretty diverse cast wise, while having a typical we need to hate authoritarianism, hate war profiteering, and save the earth from environmental decay messaging. Tomino also did try to have female characters be more prominent in his stories, though TBF, that had mixed results and could go completely in the opposite direction of "progressive". Yeah the impression I got of Zeta Gundam is that Tomino really wanted to write complex, flawed, independent female characters but he also had very odd ideas about human behaviour, especially women, which rather got in the way. To the people arguing about whether Witch from Mercury is progressive because it has lesbians, I would like to draw your attention to fact that the main thing that series is actually about is how the younger generation needs to break free from cycles of violence and discrimination perpetuated by the older generations, particularly in how they manifest as exploitative military and economic intervention in poor countries by rich countries and corporations. |
Jan 7, 4:45 AM
#49
Reply to mo_lave
Gundam: Witch From Mercury comes to mind
@mo_lave Yes presenting a girl as the prize of a duel is so progressive. |
Jan 7, 5:00 AM
#50
Reply to Maou_heika
@mo_lave Yes presenting a girl as the prize of a duel is so progressive.
@Maou_heika This is presented as a bad thing. It's unpleasant and traumatising for Miorine for her to be reduced to a commodity. Her primary motivation for much of the series is being able to control her own life and this ultimately expands outwards to trying to obtain this level of agency for more people. What the fuck is it with people these days looking at things happening in cinema and assuming the creators must be endorsing it, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. |
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