| While some might disagree, it seems very obvious to me that a large chunk of this website's forum is dedicated to arguments and debates. I find this both entertaining and interesting. Not only does it genuinely seem to bring about more generative discussions than degenerative ones, but it dually serves to highlight those who are either intellectually dishonest or outright hypocrites in their ways of thought. This is, obviously, my opinion. I'd like to remain optimistic in assuming users are holding public forums in an even partially open-minded way, despite any façade or persona that may be on display. What say you? |
| Many current users seem more incapable of actually discussing matters of different views without incendiary remarks and threats even on the most mundane topics. |
| ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣸⠋⠀⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⡔⠀⢀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⡘⡰⠁⠘⡀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⣀⠀⠀⡇⠀⡜⠈⠁⠀⢸⡈⢇⠀⠀⢣⠑⠢⢄⣇⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⡟⡀⠀⡇⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⠈⢆⢰⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⣧⠀⢿⢠⣤⣤⣬⣥⠀⠁⠀⠀⠛⢀⡒⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⡆⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢵⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡰⠀⢠⠃⠱⣼⡀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠳⠶⠶⠆⡸⢀⡀⣀⢰⠀⠀⢸ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⣀⠄⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⣼⠋⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠴⠢⢄⡔⣕⡍⠣⣱⢸⠀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡰⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⡜⡨⢢⡀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣄⠀⠀⣠⠀⠀⠀⠐⢛⠽⠗⠁⠀⠁⠊⠀⡜⠸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⠔⣁⡴⠃⠀⡠⡪⠊⣠⣾⣟⣷⡦⠤⣀⡈⠁⠉⢀⣀⡠⢔⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⡗⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣠⠴⢑⡨⠊⡀⠤⠚⢉⣴⣾⣿⡿⣾⣿⡇⠀⠹⣻⠛⠉⠉⢀⠠⠺⠀⠀⡀⢄⣴⣾⣧⣞⠀⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠐⠒⣉⠠⠄⡂⠅⠊⠁⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢠⣷⣮⡍⡠⠔⢉⡇⡠⠋⠁⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ |
| idk, used to be I feel like debates/arguments kind of stopped once most people got banned and current events got shut down which has made things just boring now |
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| I’ve used the MAL forums on and off for about a total of three years now, and in all honesty and humbleness, the only interesting arguments and debates with substance in them that I’ve ever come across here on MAL, all happen to be from the Casual Discussion forum board. Good debates about anime are pretty much almost nonexistent from what I can see lol. Debates and arguments in general can indeed be quite entertaining and interesting though. |
Reply to RunariNoctis
I’ve used the MAL forums on and off for about a total of three years now, and in all honesty and humbleness, the only interesting arguments and debates with substance in them that I’ve ever come across here on MAL, all happen to be from the Casual Discussion forum board. Good debates about anime are pretty much almost nonexistent from what I can see lol. Debates and arguments in general can indeed be quite entertaining and interesting though.
@kusairo  Agreed. Even though I think most people here have the most outrageous opinions on say, age of consent laws, I can at least say that most people in casual discussion can construct actual sentences, and every so often there are generally well-written and thoughtful opinions here. Any media discussion is nonexistent; most people are not interested in anything but the most surface level analysis if even that. In fact, the anime community is not especially notable for being a fandom that is seemingly allergic to actually talking about the artistic directions and liberties of anything in lieu of powerscaling characters talking about plotholes rather than how any of those things relate to the thematic messages and artistic choices a work has made. I see no difference between Anime Discussion and Twitter, and all the idiocy means that the only fruitful discussion happen through PMs or video essays. |
Reply to Cneq
idk, used to be
I feel like debates/arguments kind of stopped once most people got banned and current events got shut down which has made things just boring now
I feel like debates/arguments kind of stopped once most people got banned and current events got shut down which has made things just boring now
| @Cneq Current events was pretty terrible for debating anything. It was better when things took place in CD and AD. In CE you would run into the problem of like five threads at the same time having the same topic with the same people which made it really a pain to actually discuss anything. |
| ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣸⠋⠀⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⡔⠀⢀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⡘⡰⠁⠘⡀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⣀⠀⠀⡇⠀⡜⠈⠁⠀⢸⡈⢇⠀⠀⢣⠑⠢⢄⣇⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⡟⡀⠀⡇⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⠈⢆⢰⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⣧⠀⢿⢠⣤⣤⣬⣥⠀⠁⠀⠀⠛⢀⡒⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⡆⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢵⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡰⠀⢠⠃⠱⣼⡀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠳⠶⠶⠆⡸⢀⡀⣀⢰⠀⠀⢸ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⣀⠄⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⣼⠋⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠴⠢⢄⡔⣕⡍⠣⣱⢸⠀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡰⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⡜⡨⢢⡀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣄⠀⠀⣠⠀⠀⠀⠐⢛⠽⠗⠁⠀⠁⠊⠀⡜⠸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⠔⣁⡴⠃⠀⡠⡪⠊⣠⣾⣟⣷⡦⠤⣀⡈⠁⠉⢀⣀⡠⢔⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⡗⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣠⠴⢑⡨⠊⡀⠤⠚⢉⣴⣾⣿⡿⣾⣿⡇⠀⠹⣻⠛⠉⠉⢀⠠⠺⠀⠀⡀⢄⣴⣾⣧⣞⠀⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠐⠒⣉⠠⠄⡂⠅⠊⠁⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢠⣷⣮⡍⡠⠔⢉⡇⡠⠋⠁⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ |
Reply to Cneq
idk, used to be
I feel like debates/arguments kind of stopped once most people got banned and current events got shut down which has made things just boring now
I feel like debates/arguments kind of stopped once most people got banned and current events got shut down which has made things just boring now
| @Cneq I wouldn't call whatever happened in the Current Events section "debates" but yeah, it's currently a bit sterile. I think it's not entirely a matter of moderation actually, just that current internet trends are not used to hosting long debates and there's not much of a healthy discussion culture. Nowadays, when somebody asks for a debate, you can be 99% sure there's ill intention behind. |
Reply to RunariNoctis
I’ve used the MAL forums on and off for about a total of three years now, and in all honesty and humbleness, the only interesting arguments and debates with substance in them that I’ve ever come across here on MAL, all happen to be from the Casual Discussion forum board. Good debates about anime are pretty much almost nonexistent from what I can see lol. Debates and arguments in general can indeed be quite entertaining and interesting though.
| @kusairo It is largely because you arent supposed to talk series specific on the main anime board which leaves practically nothing deep to discuss especially with current rules where even bringing up Japanese culture is technically a rule violation. |
| ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣸⠋⠀⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⡔⠀⢀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⡘⡰⠁⠘⡀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⣀⠀⠀⡇⠀⡜⠈⠁⠀⢸⡈⢇⠀⠀⢣⠑⠢⢄⣇⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⡟⡀⠀⡇⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⠈⢆⢰⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⣧⠀⢿⢠⣤⣤⣬⣥⠀⠁⠀⠀⠛⢀⡒⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⡆⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢵⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡰⠀⢠⠃⠱⣼⡀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠳⠶⠶⠆⡸⢀⡀⣀⢰⠀⠀⢸ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⣀⠄⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⣼⠋⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠴⠢⢄⡔⣕⡍⠣⣱⢸⠀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡰⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⡜⡨⢢⡀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣄⠀⠀⣠⠀⠀⠀⠐⢛⠽⠗⠁⠀⠁⠊⠀⡜⠸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⠔⣁⡴⠃⠀⡠⡪⠊⣠⣾⣟⣷⡦⠤⣀⡈⠁⠉⢀⣀⡠⢔⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⡗⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣠⠴⢑⡨⠊⡀⠤⠚⢉⣴⣾⣿⡿⣾⣿⡇⠀⠹⣻⠛⠉⠉⢀⠠⠺⠀⠀⡀⢄⣴⣾⣧⣞⠀⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠐⠒⣉⠠⠄⡂⠅⠊⠁⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢠⣷⣮⡍⡠⠔⢉⡇⡠⠋⠁⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ |
| Good enough, I find it entertaining when diverse opinions clash. PlasticRobot said: Honestly, who isn't?those who are either intellectually dishonest or outright hypocrites in their ways of thought |
| When it's not unhinged, it's fine, I guess. When it's about a bunch of degenerates trying to justify things like pedophilia and incest, not so much. |
 This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes |
traed said: Exactly thisMany current users seem more incapable of actually discussing matters of different views without incendiary remarks and threats even on the most mundane topics. DreamWindow said: When they can't even use the definitions from the DSM and/or ICD correctly and just turn to insults because they strongly disagree even with the slightest derivation of their own position even over something as insignificant as a random forum posting by a pseudonymous user whom they will likely not even meet or hear about in personWhen it's not unhinged, it's fine, I guess. When it's about a bunch of degenerates trying to justify things like pedophilia and incest, not so much. |
Reply to Noboru
traed said:
Many current users seem more incapable of actually discussing matters of different views without incendiary remarks and threats even on the most mundane topics.
Exactly thisMany current users seem more incapable of actually discussing matters of different views without incendiary remarks and threats even on the most mundane topics.
DreamWindow said:
When it's not unhinged, it's fine, I guess. When it's about a bunch of degenerates trying to justify things like pedophilia and incest, not so much.
When they can't even use the definitions from the DSM and/or ICD correctly and just turn to insults because they strongly disagree even with the slightest derivation of their own position even over something as insignificant as a random forum posting by a pseudonymous user whom they will likely not even meet or hear about in personWhen it's not unhinged, it's fine, I guess. When it's about a bunch of degenerates trying to justify things like pedophilia and incest, not so much.
| @Noboru When you suggest and actively argue that 14 year olds can consent with adults then don't be surprised when people call you a degenerate. If that's the hill you want to die on, good for you, but people don't need to be respect you for it. I'm not getting into this with you, again. |
DreamWindowApr 7, 2024 5:10 AM
This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes |
Reply to DreamWindow
@Noboru
When you suggest and actively argue that 14 year olds can consent with adults then don't be surprised when people call you a degenerate. If that's the hill you want to die on, good for you, but people don't need to be respect you for it. I'm not getting into this with you, again.
When you suggest and actively argue that 14 year olds can consent with adults then don't be surprised when people call you a degenerate. If that's the hill you want to die on, good for you, but people don't need to be respect you for it. I'm not getting into this with you, again.
| @DreamWindow It's legal to do so where I'm from (with restrictions, though), just not the ideal situation imho Was just talking about how buzzwords get thrown around easily without being aware of what the terms actually mean. I don't want to continue this with you, either. Since the thread was locked and I didn't want to PM or leave you a comment, I had edited my last posting there |
NoboruApr 7, 2024 5:15 AM
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@DreamWindow It's legal to do so where I'm from (with restrictions, though), just not the ideal situation imho
Was just talking about how buzzwords get thrown around easily without being aware of what the terms actually mean. I don't want to continue this with you, either. Since the thread was locked and I didn't want to PM or leave you a comment, I had edited my last posting there
Was just talking about how buzzwords get thrown around easily without being aware of what the terms actually mean. I don't want to continue this with you, either. Since the thread was locked and I didn't want to PM or leave you a comment, I had edited my last posting there
Noboru said: Was just talking about how buzzwords get thrown around easily. I Sometimes it's just a matter of reading the room. There are some things where people shouldn't be surprised that people get angry about. Legality is not morality. |
DreamWindowApr 7, 2024 5:29 AM
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there should be a serious discussion section and if you use insults there then you get banned immediately
| @deg Insults aren't allowed anywhere, see https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=516059&id=18240023 Instant ban is overblown imo |
DreamWindow said: No, more of a matter of having over-sensitive, vocal people in the room who cannot even acknowledge that morality is far from being universalSometimes it's just a matter of reading the room. There are some things where people shouldn't be surprised that people get angry about. Legality is not morality. PeripheralVision said: No, if they are factually wrong, then they are factually wrong. And if they get another impression then all that's left to say here is that "that's how it seemed" to themIt is akin to pointing out spelling errors and grammatical issues in an opponent's rebuttal. deg said: I would be up for having such thing, but would be more in favor of more user-based control that they could put their own blacklist of what kind of content they don't want to see instead of having it over-regulated. And if AI is used to check potential violations, then I would prefer if they check graphic contents (pictures) first and foremostthere should be a serious discussion section and if you use insults there then you get banned immediately |
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@Zarutaku
I am pretty sure as someone who has on occasion used results it is 100% mod's discretion depending on the circumstances. I remember insulting a number of users in "that thread", but I doubted I would get a ban considering the arguments I was responding against anyway.
@DreamWindow
To be fair DreamWindow, I was just fucking around. I don't have younger sisters, and I abhor the thought of my elder sisters. Me, a regular on various sites, having an incest fetish is a meme I play into often. I actually am opposed to incest, and support laws against incest, since these basically doubly criminalize sexual abuse within families. Just thought I would clear that up.
It is weirder since the only people who called me "Onii-chan" have been women older than me, but I think imoutodom is a spiritual thing.
I am pretty sure as someone who has on occasion used results it is 100% mod's discretion depending on the circumstances. I remember insulting a number of users in "that thread", but I doubted I would get a ban considering the arguments I was responding against anyway.
@DreamWindow
When it's about a bunch of degenerates trying to justify things like pedophilia and incest, not so much.
To be fair DreamWindow, I was just fucking around. I don't have younger sisters, and I abhor the thought of my elder sisters. Me, a regular on various sites, having an incest fetish is a meme I play into often. I actually am opposed to incest, and support laws against incest, since these basically doubly criminalize sexual abuse within families. Just thought I would clear that up.
It is weirder since the only people who called me "Onii-chan" have been women older than me, but I think imoutodom is a spiritual thing.
| @PeripheralVision It's just weird, man. It doesn't do you any favours. I had a friend who used "lolicon" as a meme, but outside your ingroup it stops becoming funny, and becomes awkward. I get that incest is one of those "haha quirky" things about anime, I don't usually care in that context, but when I think of "imotou" I think of characters like Shiro and Kirino, who are like 10-14 and I think that's what most imoutos are to my understanding. Like sure, it can be cute and quirky in the anime, but it's not something that leaves a good taste in my mouth when someone is talking about fucking their sister irl. You know? And it's not even just you, there are others who genuinely are into that. @deg @Zarutaku AI can barely even recognize context with super sophisticated models, yet you want it here to ban people for using insults? Nothing can possibly go wrong there... Banning people for hurting your feelings is pathetic anyway. It usually gets edited out by mods, but an instant ban is really messed up. @Noboru Sounds like you're just using that as a shield, man. Would you say this to someone in your home country? Would you go to the bar and have this discussion? If not, then why? |
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@Zarutaku ye even a simple word censor feature can do wonders for sure and if users bypass the word censor like the character limit then instant ban
| @deg Ew, I hate that stupid character limit so much and getting warned/banned for bypassing it, is probably the most redundant rule on this site. As if short replies were an actual problem, they aren't. DreamWindow said: Nope, I said it should prevent sending, not banning the user.AI can barely even recognize context with super sophisticated models, yet you want it here to ban people for using insults? Nothing can possibly go wrong there... |
ZarutakuApr 7, 2024 6:56 AM
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@deg Ew, I hate that stupid character limit so much and getting warned/banned for bypassing it, is probably the most redundant rule on this site.
As if short replies were an actual problem, they aren't.
As if short replies were an actual problem, they aren't.
DreamWindow said:
AI can barely even recognize context with super sophisticated models, yet you want it here to ban people for using insults? Nothing can possibly go wrong there...
Nope, I said it should prevent sending, not banning the user.AI can barely even recognize context with super sophisticated models, yet you want it here to ban people for using insults? Nothing can possibly go wrong there...
| @Zarutaku Fair enough, I still think AI lacks the comprehension of context, though, and would still cause more problems than it would benefits. |
This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes |
DreamWindow said: I wouldn't go to a bar and talk to random people in the first place. And the discussion would be probably not even be raised anywhere in person, because the occurrence rate would be too low to have any statistical significanceSounds like you're just using that as a shield, man. Would you say this to someone in your home country? Would you go to the bar and have this discussion? If not, then why? |
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DreamWindow said:
Sounds like you're just using that as a shield, man. Would you say this to someone in your home country? Would you go to the bar and have this discussion? If not, then why?
I wouldn't go to a bar and talk to random people in the first place. And the discussion would be probably not even be raised anywhere in person, because the occurrence rate would be too low to have any statistical significanceSounds like you're just using that as a shield, man. Would you say this to someone in your home country? Would you go to the bar and have this discussion? If not, then why?
| @Noboru It's just an example, man, I don't mean it has to be a bar. I'm just saying, if the circumstances of our discussion were recreated, would you say the same thing to your countrymen? And if they objected, what would you say? They are obviously living under the same set of laws as you, so if they object to that, you can't use the law as a defence. So what do you do then? Just say they are being sensitive? |
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@Noboru
It's just an example, man, I don't mean it has to be a bar. I'm just saying, if the circumstances of our discussion were recreated, would you say the same thing to your countrymen? And if they objected, what would you say? They are obviously living under the same set of laws as you, so if they object to that, you can't use the law as a defence. So what do you do then? Just say they are being sensitive?
It's just an example, man, I don't mean it has to be a bar. I'm just saying, if the circumstances of our discussion were recreated, would you say the same thing to your countrymen? And if they objected, what would you say? They are obviously living under the same set of laws as you, so if they object to that, you can't use the law as a defence. So what do you do then? Just say they are being sensitive?
| @DreamWindow I would refuse to even enter such conversations in the first place unless I would be sure that there wouldn't be people in the room or place who couldn't handle a different view. So I wouldn't say anything if I happened to hear about such a conversation in person and would just think that "that's how it seemed" to them edit: @DreamWindow: DreamWindow said: Then stop responding to me on thisAnyway, I don't want to derail this any further. |
NoboruApr 7, 2024 7:16 AM
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@DreamWindow I would refuse to even enter such conversations in the first place unless I would be sure that there wouldn't be people in the room or place who couldn't handle a different view. So I wouldn't say anything if I happened to hear about such a conversation in person and would just think that "that's how it seemed" to them
edit: @DreamWindow:
edit: @DreamWindow:
DreamWindow said:
Anyway, I don't want to derail this any further.
Then stop responding to me on thisAnyway, I don't want to derail this any further.
| @Noboru There are plenty of people who can tolerate alternate views, but would not be open to something like this. I can't imagine any context where this discussion would fly by except with people who are openly pedophiles. So you know... maybe the problem is not that people are too sensitive. Maybe it's just not a good thing to discuss. Anyway, I don't want to derail this any further. Noboru said: Then stop responding to me on this Good riddance. |
DreamWindowApr 7, 2024 7:26 AM
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| I like spreading misinformation. . |
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| Is there even a debate culture here? Anime discussion's debate culture is just mobbing on different opinions and regurgitating threads made from appeal to feelings. Most people on the internet don't know how to debate and MAL, like many places, doesn't actually enforce rules to better the quality of its arguments. There's no rules stopping people from arguing the morality of pedophilia or justifying something like Nanjing massacre. You can degenerate people's arguments as much as you want with no repercussion, and in general, the community isn't very mature. The general discussions tend to be better at handling discussions, but I think the best way to actually have discussions is through Comments/DMs. |
  𝐇𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐦𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐡, 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠. |
| Top reasons for when people are bad at debating or forming beliefs and opinions: In no particular oder.
A few cognitive biases to be aware of but also incomplete. Some others were actually listed above among the logical fallacies
Zarutaku said: MAL could use extern Text AI to check if a reply violates any rules and prevent sending if it does. deg said: ye even a simple word censor feature can do wonders for sure and if users bypass the word censor like the character limit then instant ban FUCK NO and it is not AI it is just a list. Ive been banned five times already with it as is and always have to hassle to get back on and many others have, why do you think people keep disappearing? That is the dumbest laziest way to moderate. If mods just stopped focusing on topics and actually ban people maybe theyd eventually learn something. Instead current rules make it so any topic and every topic will get reported by someone. Being banned because no no word is obviously an issue, there is so many ways to accidentally trip such a system and intentionally get around it. If they want ever user on MAL to permanently leave then that is how you do it but at that point just shut down the whole site why beat around the bush? Although filters that change users words are sometimes amusing but it causes problem of hiding how toxic a user is by making them sound more polite and again they can get around the filter all sorts of ways. |
traedApr 8, 2024 6:03 AM
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@kusairo
Agreed. Even though I think most people here have the most outrageous opinions on say, age of consent laws, I can at least say that most people in casual discussion can construct actual sentences, and every so often there are generally well-written and thoughtful opinions here. Any media discussion is nonexistent; most people are not interested in anything but the most surface level analysis if even that.
In fact, the anime community is not especially notable for being a fandom that is seemingly allergic to actually talking about the artistic directions and liberties of anything in lieu of powerscaling characters talking about plotholes rather than how any of those things relate to the thematic messages and artistic choices a work has made.
I see no difference between Anime Discussion and Twitter, and all the idiocy means that the only fruitful discussion happen through PMs or video essays.
Agreed. Even though I think most people here have the most outrageous opinions on say, age of consent laws, I can at least say that most people in casual discussion can construct actual sentences, and every so often there are generally well-written and thoughtful opinions here. Any media discussion is nonexistent; most people are not interested in anything but the most surface level analysis if even that.
In fact, the anime community is not especially notable for being a fandom that is seemingly allergic to actually talking about the artistic directions and liberties of anything in lieu of powerscaling characters talking about plotholes rather than how any of those things relate to the thematic messages and artistic choices a work has made.
I see no difference between Anime Discussion and Twitter, and all the idiocy means that the only fruitful discussion happen through PMs or video essays.
| @PeripheralVision personally, I rarely ever read reviews or watch video essays, so I'm not too sure how often people talk about things like powerscaling, plot holes, artistic directions, thematic messages, etc. But yeah, I think that most Anime Discussion topics do tend to get pretty repetitive, and it doesn’t really seem like there’s much that people haven’t already said a whole lot of times in the past. Most of the topics in Anime Discussion are very much like one and done topics for me, but I'm okay with that. traed said: It is largely because you arent supposed to talk series specific on the main anime board which leaves practically nothing deep to discuss especially with current rules where even bringing up Japanese culture is technically a rule violation. I haven't actually explored much of Series Discussion, but it does seem like it would have more interesting topics due to being series specific. As for Japanese culture talks being a rule violation, I actually didn't know that was a thing lol. I guess I just learned something new today then 👌 |
deg said: @traed word censors without banning is good too im just saying that people can get creative and bypass the word censors like how ishinashi is doing it when he was active He/she is still around kusairo said: I haven't actually explored much of Series Discussion, but it does seem like it would have more interesting topics due to being series specific. As for Japanese culture talks being a rule violation, I actually didn't know that was a thing lol. I guess I just learned something new today then 👌 How the site is set up these things go unnoticed so people dont put many effort posts except in episode discussion of airing series. Usually if someone wants a deep dive they try to post on AD till it gets shut down or moved. |
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DreamWindow said:
It's just weird, man. It doesn't do you any favours. I had a friend who used "lolicon" as a meme, but outside your ingroup it stops becoming funny, and becomes awkward. I get that incest is one of those "haha quirky" things about anime, I don't usually care in that context, but when I think of "imotou" I think of characters like Shiro and Kirino, who are like 10-14 and I think that's what most imoutos are to my understanding. Like sure, it can be cute and quirky in the anime, but it's not something that leaves a good taste in my mouth when someone is talking about fucking their sister irl. You know? And it's not even just you, there are others who genuinely are into that.
It's just weird, man. It doesn't do you any favours. I had a friend who used "lolicon" as a meme, but outside your ingroup it stops becoming funny, and becomes awkward. I get that incest is one of those "haha quirky" things about anime, I don't usually care in that context, but when I think of "imotou" I think of characters like Shiro and Kirino, who are like 10-14 and I think that's what most imoutos are to my understanding. Like sure, it can be cute and quirky in the anime, but it's not something that leaves a good taste in my mouth when someone is talking about fucking their sister irl. You know? And it's not even just you, there are others who genuinely are into that.
I mean, I understand that. Jokes about certain topics are not "jokes" in this community, especially if the joke is something like "I am a lolicon" that is more or less creatively bankrupt, "haha, I am a degenerate". Which I admit, applies to what I said in that thread.
Though I personally see a difference in some threads here regarding how seriously one should take them, I do want to clear this up because these last few threads have left an awful and rather cynical taste in my mouth as well, and likely have with other forum users besides us. Like holy shit. Sometimes I underestimate just how morally bankrupt and depraved some people are, and it hurts my soul.
| @PeripheralVision Yeah, ironic lolicon is pretty much dead at this point. The aura surrounding it is just too much. When I see discussions on loli shit, I can usually filter it out, it's not a big deal because it's usually just that, and mostly harmless. If I were to do that in every thread, I'd not have any peace of mind. But now we are seeing people actually justifying or playing devil's advocate for real pedophiles. That is where shit goes too far. And even beyond that it's just fucking annoying that everyone makes a big deal out of the kind of fetish they have. Like can't you just keep that shit to yourself? It's hard not to be cynical in a place like this. I've seen some of the worst takes imaginable here. Everything from radical communists / fascists, to pedophiles, incels... there's just an aura of degeneracy and patheticness too it all. People are so demoralized. The fact that basic human decency and personal responsibility is considered more taboo than posting anime girls spreading their ass and showing everyone their fetishes shows how far gone it is. Maybe I'm just focusing too hard on the negatives, but I can't really help it. I have a laissez-faire disposition on most things. But there's some things I can't get behind. |
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PlasticRobot said: While some might disagree, it seems very obvious to me that a large chunk of this website's forum is dedicated to arguments and debates. I find this both entertaining and interesting. Not only does it genuinely seem to bring about more generative discussions than degenerative ones, but it dually serves to highlight those who are either intellectually dishonest or outright hypocrites in their ways of thought. This is, obviously, my opinion. I'd like to remain optimistic in assuming users are holding public forums in an even partially open-minded way, despite any façade or persona that may be on display. What say you? I honestly love debates on MAL, debates are one of the best ways to see many different opinions, it's enjoyable even when heated |
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PlasticRobot said:
While some might disagree, it seems very obvious to me that a large chunk of this website's forum is dedicated to arguments and debates. I find this both entertaining and interesting. Not only does it genuinely seem to bring about more generative discussions than degenerative ones, but it dually serves to highlight those who are either intellectually dishonest or outright hypocrites in their ways of thought.
This is, obviously, my opinion. I'd like to remain optimistic in assuming users are holding public forums in an even partially open-minded way, despite any façade or persona that may be on display.
What say you?
While some might disagree, it seems very obvious to me that a large chunk of this website's forum is dedicated to arguments and debates. I find this both entertaining and interesting. Not only does it genuinely seem to bring about more generative discussions than degenerative ones, but it dually serves to highlight those who are either intellectually dishonest or outright hypocrites in their ways of thought.
This is, obviously, my opinion. I'd like to remain optimistic in assuming users are holding public forums in an even partially open-minded way, despite any façade or persona that may be on display.
What say you?
I honestly love debates on MAL, debates are one of the best ways to see many different opinions, it's enjoyable even when heated
| @DigiCat It isn't at all a good way to see different opinions how it occurs here. I listed common reasons why. I also didn't mention the problem of how some people make certain views look bad by their behaviour which isn't something that actually says much about the views themselves because more modest people of certain views just entirely refrain from being in conversation. Then all sorts of false ideas emerge. |
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It isn't at all a good way to see different opinions how it occurs here. I listed common reasons why. I also didn't mention the problem of how some people make certain views look bad by their behaviour which isn't something that actually says much about the views themselves because more modest people of certain views just entirely refrain from being in conversation. Then all sorts of false ideas emerge.
It isn't at all a good way to see different opinions how it occurs here. I listed common reasons why. I also didn't mention the problem of how some people make certain views look bad by their behaviour which isn't something that actually says much about the views themselves because more modest people of certain views just entirely refrain from being in conversation. Then all sorts of false ideas emerge.
| @traed Oh i was reffering to the sane population of MAL Of course MAL like any other place (both online and irl) also has those people who are repulsed by differing opinions and will do anything in their (not so much) power to ridicule and shut them down, but i've never really let them bother me, i see them more as comic relief Will take a look at your list in a min 😁 |
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Top reasons for when people are bad at debating or forming beliefs and opinions:
In no particular oder.
A few cognitive biases to be aware of but also incomplete. Some others were actually listed above among the logical fallacies
FUCK NO and it is not AI it is just a list. Ive been banned five times already with it as is and always have to hassle to get back on and many others have, why do you think people keep disappearing? That is the dumbest laziest way to moderate. If mods just stopped focusing on topics and actually ban people maybe theyd eventually learn something. Instead current rules make it so any topic and every topic will get reported by someone. Being banned because no no word is obviously an issue, there is so many ways to accidentally trip such a system and intentionally get around it. If they want ever user on MAL to permanently leave then that is how you do it but at that point just shut down the whole site why beat around the bush?
Although filters that change users words are sometimes amusing but it causes problem of hiding how toxic a user is by making them sound more polite and again they can get around the filter all sorts of ways.
In no particular oder.
- Arguing in bad faith is NOT a proper way to make an argument. One should try to understand what actually was said and ask clarification if needed. Though this can happen easily be mistake but it should be kept in mind.
- Making an intentional misrepresentation of someone's views claiming that is what they believe in order for onlookers not following to misunderstand is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Arguing it is either-or, only two sides to an argument is NOT a proper way to form an argument
- Denying validity of counter examples to an argument suggesting they do not count is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Asking a question in the form of assuming the answer can only be one thing limiting how someone can respond is NOT a proper way to form an argument
- Arguing that if a trait of one thing exists in another they must also possess other traits of that thing is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Arguing based on current convention or tradition or progressiveness is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Ignoring relevant statistical information or ignoring data collection biases or ignoring the hidden variables and how correlation is not automatically causation is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Arguing based on popularity of an opinion is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Just trying to get an emotional reaction out of someone instead of providing arguments or using misleading and emotionally manipulative word choice is NOT proper way to make an argument
- Insulting someone is NOT proper way to make an argument
- Making threats of violence against someone is NOT proper way to make an argument
- Calling into question the character and motives of the person is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Assuming something only can be true say for example calling something bad/incorrect "because it's bad/incorrect" is NOT a proper way to make an argument
- Claiming one thing will lead to another in a slippery slope without providing evidence is NOT a proper way to make an argument.
- Giving a response in a knee jerk reaction to something without considering one's own biases not really trying to hear and understand the views of someone through open dialogue and always assuming only they can be wrong and not one's self is NOT proper way to make an argument or to get a more informed and nuanced view. I suggest reading into cognitive biases but i will list a few below
- Refusing to admit when you made a mistake well pointed out with evidence is NOT going to help you learn
A few cognitive biases to be aware of but also incomplete. Some others were actually listed above among the logical fallacies
- horns effect where one thing you dont like about someone makes you incorrectly dislike them as a whole instead of seeing them as they are which this is opposite of the halo effect.
- Confirmation bias is another big one where you are moe likely to just want to confirm what you already believe.
- Dunning-Kruger effect the belief you are more knowledgable than you actually are. This is NOT meant to be used on other people but more so on one's self because you cant know what someone else does entirely. You can only know what you know and you can not know everything you do not know only have an idea where you might be lacking knowledge but still can be fully missing something in a place you didnt think you do
- Ambiguity effect, the tendency to avoid options for which the probability of a favorable outcome is unknown.
- Illusory truth effect, the tendency to believe that a statement is true if it is easier to process, or if it has been stated multiple times, regardless of its actual veracity. These are specific cases of truthiness.
- Belief bias, an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion.
- Projection bias, the tendency to overestimate how much one's future selves will share one's current preferences, thoughts and values, thus leading to sub-optimal choices
- Zero-sum bias, where a situation is incorrectly perceived to be like a zero-sum game (i.e., one person gains at the expense of another).
- Stereotyping, expecting a member of a group to have certain characteristics without having actual information about that individual.
- Overconfidence effect, a tendency to have excessive confidence in one's own answers to questions. For example, for certain types of questions, answers that people rate as "99% certain" turn out to be wrong 40% of the time.
- Illusion of validity, the tendency to overestimate the accuracy of one's judgments, especially when available information is consistent or inter-correlated.
Illusory superiority, the tendency to overestimate one's desirable qualities, and underestimate undesirable qualities, relative to other people. (Also known as "Lake Wobegon effect", "better-than-average effect", or "superiority bias".)
- Naïve cynicism, expecting more egocentric bias in others than in oneself.
- Conservatism bias, the tendency to insufficiently revise one's belief when presented with new evidence
- Naïve realism, the belief that we see reality as it really is—objectively and without bias; that the facts are plain for all to see; that rational people will agree with us; and that those who do not are either uninformed, lazy, irrational, or biased.
- Bias blind spot, the tendency to see oneself as less biased than other people, or to be able to identify more cognitive biases in others than in oneself.
- False consensus effect, the tendency for people to overestimate the degree to which others agree with them
Zarutaku said:
MAL could use extern Text AI to check if a reply violates any rules and prevent sending if it does.
MAL could use extern Text AI to check if a reply violates any rules and prevent sending if it does.
deg said:
ye even a simple word censor feature can do wonders for sure and if users bypass the word censor like the character limit then instant ban
ye even a simple word censor feature can do wonders for sure and if users bypass the word censor like the character limit then instant ban
FUCK NO and it is not AI it is just a list. Ive been banned five times already with it as is and always have to hassle to get back on and many others have, why do you think people keep disappearing? That is the dumbest laziest way to moderate. If mods just stopped focusing on topics and actually ban people maybe theyd eventually learn something. Instead current rules make it so any topic and every topic will get reported by someone. Being banned because no no word is obviously an issue, there is so many ways to accidentally trip such a system and intentionally get around it. If they want ever user on MAL to permanently leave then that is how you do it but at that point just shut down the whole site why beat around the bush?
Although filters that change users words are sometimes amusing but it causes problem of hiding how toxic a user is by making them sound more polite and again they can get around the filter all sorts of ways.
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@traed Indulge me: are you autistic? I'm not trying to be mean, do you think anyone is going to take this post seriously?
| @TibetanJazz666 Toxic responses like yours only prove the points traed was making No wonder there is no real "debate culture" when people have the emotional control skills of a small child and continue to behave like that |
Reply to Noboru
@TibetanJazz666 Toxic responses like yours only prove the points traed was making
No wonder there is no real "debate culture" when people have the emotional control skills of a small child and continue to behave like that
No wonder there is no real "debate culture" when people have the emotional control skills of a small child and continue to behave like that
| @Noboru "Debate culture" implies mutual respect, an implicit understanding that the two parties can learn from each other to some degree, and I do not find that in 99% posters on this board, so I might as well have some fun. I am not going to act civil to a person who thinks a text-wall guide on how to accrue reddit gold is helpful to anyone. But if you're okay with your intelligence being insulted like that, then be my guest. |
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Reply to TibetanJazz666
@Noboru "Debate culture" implies mutual respect, an implicit understanding that the two parties can learn from each other to some degree, and I do not find that in 99% posters on this board, so I might as well have some fun. I am not going to act civil to a person who thinks a text-wall guide on how to accrue reddit gold is helpful to anyone. But if you're okay with your intelligence being insulted like that, then be my guest.
| @TibetanJazz666 It would have been easier if you had just clarified your stance a bit more in your previous posting in the first place I do know you can post in a non-defamatory style It's certainly not helpful if people don't want to incorporate it and just turn to low-level flaming to "have some fun" The horns effect is especially strong with the users here |
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