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| Very good episode, but to tell the truth I started loosing the thread. All along I thought that Jinshi was the emperor's brother and the story about him being ill was just a facade. I had to rack my brain really hard to realise that if Jinshi is Ah-Duo's son then he is the son of the current emperor too, but in that case he can't be an eunuch. If that is the case and Maomao has realized that then why does she still think of or refer to him as an eunuch (see the title of the next episode)?? If he was really a swapped child, who was reared as the empress-dowager's son, then as far as the world concerned he is the younger brother of the current emperor, but then why would they treat him as a high-ranking eunuch and hide his "true" identity? What is going on here? |
IshitatesoDec 16, 2023 9:46 PM
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| What a cinematic masterpiece this turned out to be; dark clouds on the horizon, intricate stories that intertwine into both the future and the past. |
| The guilt someone would feel from causing misfortune to others due to ignorance is terrifying. |
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| Hmmm ... what will happen to Maomao? Because all of those transactions that Fengming's family done would be ineffective. |
| Things is getting interesting. |
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Very good episode, but to tell the truth I started loosing the thread. All along I thought that Jinshi was the emperor's brother and the story about him being ill was just a facade. I had to rack my brain really hard to realise that if Jinshi is Ah-Duo's son then he is the son of the current emperor too, but in that case he can't be an eunuch. If that is the case and Maomao has realized that then why does she still think of or refer to him as an eunuch (see the title of the next episode)?? If he was really a swapped child, who was reared as the empress-dowager's son, then as far as the world concerned he is the younger brother of the current emperor, but then why would they treat him as a high-ranking eunuch and hide his "true" identity? What is going on here?
| @Ishitateso I'm also pretty confused, but I think the mystery of who Jinshi really is and why he is hiding his identity will be a long-term plot point, so we'll have to wait and see. I'm guessing it'll have something to do with how important it is for a woman to have a male child and how brutal palace politics can get, when everyone is being watched and no one can be trusted. As for Maomao, she has only just begun to suspect Jinshi to be Ah-Duo's son, so I don't think she figured out the details either. She even dismisses her own theory as "delusional", so Jinshi will continue to be a eunuch for now, as far as she's concerned. She does seem to think that Ah-Duo could have given up her baby willingly, which is understandable after seeing so many women make huge sacrifices and do horrible things to protect the people they love. As for the title of the next episode, "The Eunuch and the Courtesan", it may simply be referring to Jinshi's public identity, not his real one. It's also possible that it's referring to someone else entirely; Maomao is not a courtesan either after all. |
| The thing about the one doctor is that the palace can definitely afford a few more doctors, but, as it will be pointed out a little down the road, only men can be doctors. Since men cannot enter the rear palace without becoming an eunuch, many would not really choose this path. Therefore the pool to select from is already pretty bad. You may not get the bottom of the barrel, but the best and brightest aren't going to come. So either you stop the eunuch thing or you allow women to be doctors too. Despite so many differences, this story shares a few elements with Saiunkoku Monogatari. |
| So many stories untold! I'm excited for the next episode. |
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| Ah-duo deserves more than an emperor who sees you as a baby machine.. I hope we can still see her, or atleast Lishu can still see her.. Lishu saying goodbye to her makes me emotional. |
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| As much as I would like to sympathize with Fengming, she did try to kill Lishu. However the pain and guilt she must’ve felt knowing that she accidentally killed the son (?) of the person she admired the most had to be unbearable. Looking her in the face everyday. Feels bad man. |
| A lot to process. Overall a great episode with much background and some speculations. It's really getting interesting to see how all of this is tied together. However, Maomao's confrontation of Fengming was a little bit underwhelming and I have a little problem with the conclusion. And I'm well aware there are facts yet unknown but I'm not entirely sure if I like how this case was handled and that the maid who committed suicide for Lady Ah Duo's sake was brushed off so easily as if it was nothing. And even with Maomao not knowing all the facts I think it's wrong of her to make Fengmei an offer to disclose some information for what reason? Ah Duo's sake? Even if there's more to it that feels wrong. And I love Maomao's character but that's wrong. I really felt the scene when Jinshi cried. I wasn#t so happy it happened while he was drunk but it really goes to show this is a story that unfolds gradually. Not saying I like all the choices they make but it's different from usual and not necessarily in a bad way. It's a little weird to me how Maomao's thought process works. But maybe that's just me and the fact that while she is a great main character there's something that always makes the events happening to her and surrounding her feel distant. I can't really put my finger on it. |
You're the light shining over The black and gloomy nights So long I've been waiting To run into your arms Oh, my only one desire You're the one I need Through the thousand years ~ Evermore "Midnight Sun" by AleXa |
Reply to perseii
@Ishitateso I'm also pretty confused, but I think the mystery of who Jinshi really is and why he is hiding his identity will be a long-term plot point, so we'll have to wait and see. I'm guessing it'll have something to do with how important it is for a woman to have a male child and how brutal palace politics can get, when everyone is being watched and no one can be trusted.
As for Maomao, she has only just begun to suspect Jinshi to be Ah-Duo's son, so I don't think she figured out the details either. She even dismisses her own theory as "delusional", so Jinshi will continue to be a eunuch for now, as far as she's concerned. She does seem to think that Ah-Duo could have given up her baby willingly, which is understandable after seeing so many women make huge sacrifices and do horrible things to protect the people they love.
As for the title of the next episode, "The Eunuch and the Courtesan", it may simply be referring to Jinshi's public identity, not his real one. It's also possible that it's referring to someone else entirely; Maomao is not a courtesan either after all.
As for Maomao, she has only just begun to suspect Jinshi to be Ah-Duo's son, so I don't think she figured out the details either. She even dismisses her own theory as "delusional", so Jinshi will continue to be a eunuch for now, as far as she's concerned. She does seem to think that Ah-Duo could have given up her baby willingly, which is understandable after seeing so many women make huge sacrifices and do horrible things to protect the people they love.
As for the title of the next episode, "The Eunuch and the Courtesan", it may simply be referring to Jinshi's public identity, not his real one. It's also possible that it's referring to someone else entirely; Maomao is not a courtesan either after all.
| @perseii At this stage of the story it is still possible to think up pretty wild theories about who is who in this tale. After this episode my current pet theory is that the empress-dowager gave birth to a girl, but if that had been announced officially that would have greatly weakened her position in the court. After she got wind of that the other concubine Ah-Duo had given birth to a healthy boy she offered a noname boy to her in exchange for her child while the girl was given to the court-doctor to get rid of her. It is even possible that Ah-Duo gave birth to twins and only one of them were taken from her and the other boy who died was her child as well (that would explain why she was so out of her mind with grief after the boy's death). Whatever is the truth we can be pretty sure that Maomao is not the noname commoner as this story has been trying to sell her until now. |
IshitatesoDec 17, 2023 8:50 AM
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| So Jinshi is Ah-Duo's son but was swapped so poses as the current emperor's younger brother. I still think Maomao is gonna end up being another royal baby, all this baby swapping while her father was the royal doctor is too suspicious for that not to come up later. I was half-expecting Maomao to notice Jinshi isn't actually a eunuch when they were hugging, but alas it isn't so. |
| Wondering on what Maomao's father will tell if ever she goes back and ask about the rear palace, there's a lot that can be uncovered which may be a bigger issue or a plot twist it. Excited for the next episode! |
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| I love this one. Insane ep as usual and such a great one a that! Those 12 seconds at the end showed Maomao at a party dressed well (with Jinshi). |
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| Having a dead child is one of the saddest thing that could happen in your life. |
| I am legit enamored by Ah-Duo. She's just something else. |
| I might just be overthinking this out of nowhere, and I hope I do, but there's a chance that Maomao gets either chosen to be a concubine after her family ties are known, or she gets sentenced to die for some reason and Jinshi has to reveal that he's actually the son of the emperor in order to either claim Maomao as his concubine instead or in order to try and cancel her execution. At least that's what all this is hinting towards, hope it's something else. |
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Reply to Supremestrawhat
It was a good episode, as usual, Jinshi being Ah Duo's son is unexpected. I wonder when the mystery around Maomao's birth will be solved.
| @Supremestrawhat in the second half of the season. |
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Reply to ApocalypSnow
I knew right away that A Duo and Jinshi were related, but I thought as distant siblings or cousins or something. What's up with everyone giving birth as teenagers? Also, Jinshi is only 16?? For some reason I thought he was, like, 18-20. :P
Also, Maomao's winter outfit is very cute ^^
Also, Maomao's winter outfit is very cute ^^
| @ApocalypSnow he is 18. They said the child was born 17 years ago last episode and died a year later, but it is some odd thing withbchinese counting. It is in fact 18+ years ago. |
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| Maomao being such a realist that she rationalized letting Jinshi hug her as thanks for cushioning her fall was gold lmao. I'm sure a part of both Jinshi and Ah Duo were aware of their similarities and just chose to never address it, making the whole thing all the more bittersweet. |
Reply to RaidenYatta
lmao someone is writing very huge spoiler from manga
oh well at least some people can guess it too after this episode, or maybe since episode 1
episode 12 beyond will be interesting, wonder how well they will animate the story
Anyway if youre curious and want to read the manga, this episode 11 is chapter 18
Episode 12 is chapter 19 onwards
oh well at least some people can guess it too after this episode, or maybe since episode 1
episode 12 beyond will be interesting, wonder how well they will animate the story
Anyway if youre curious and want to read the manga, this episode 11 is chapter 18
Episode 12 is chapter 19 onwards
| @RaidenYatta thanks for the info. :D |
| Those clouds are a hint that a very sad/happy moment is coming, and little by little we getting closer to Maomao dark past. |
| omg so much happened in this episode !!! and with that delusional mao2 it might be that just happen !! the story of this show is awesomely good !! |
| Best episode so far. Very good ending, sweet. |
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Reply to Homura24
so ah duo is jinshi's mother???
Homura24 said: so ah duo is jinshi's mother??? When Jinshi met Ah Duo I thought they were going to sleep together, but she kicked him out. It makes sense if she was his mother. She just wanted to have a drink with her son before she left the rear palace. He probably doesn't know that she could be his mother. (I am anime only so this is all speculation). |
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| Confrontation with Fengming was intense af, Maomao even prepared to be stabbed. Now we know why Ah-Duo looks so much like Jinshi. |
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| What is it with the absurd amount of spoilers posted by source material readers in this thread topic? It's really disgustingly rude and unnecessary. If people want that information and ask for it, then good on them - that's fine, and their prerogative, but at least have the courtesy to post it in spoiler tags out of basic courtesy and decency for everyone else who doesn't want such constant future info leaked and didn't ask to be exposed. Or create a separate thread. One for those who want spoilers and want to primarily or exclusively discuss spoilers of future info from the books. Because this is supposed to be a discussion thread topic only for the episode and everything which came before it. It's literally the first rule posted automatically at the top of every episode discussion thread: "DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads." With "DO NOT" in capital letters and bold font. It couldn't be more clear. Yet everyone just wantonly ignores and pisses all over it. I honestly truly don't know if it's out of genuine ignorance or just total apathetic disregard. I feel like we need the episode four version of livid Maomao's hand of righteous wrath to reach through the screen and slap some of these source spoilers. |
WatchTillTandavaDec 18, 2023 7:29 AM
| I'm not sure I understood the end of the episode correctly, Is it suggest that Maomao and Fengming are related? the translation only said "JADE PAVILION: MaoMao" Please no manga spoilers... Overall great episode! the show have a very strong momentum |
| "For what purpose is man born into this world. What purpose in life should he strive for. Is it chance that he meet those that become dear to him? what is the furture of mankind? All answers flow in the river of destiny... The promised time has come" |
| This episode keeps the very good production, direction and animation quality that in my view started with episode 4. I was not convinced initially by this adaptation, but I changed my mind, this is a very well done adaptation. |
| Ah-Duo's departure from the palace was emotional, but she leaves with her head held high and a lot of respect from everyone... You have to admire Maomao's bravery, confronting Lady Fengming alone, and I'm sure she expected that she was possibly the culprit behind the poisoning of Concubine Lishu's soup, and other matters in the inner palace. Fengming's story here ended in tragedy, but she had good intentions, but the bad decisions just piled up and she was willing to do anything to save Ah-Duo's spot in the inner palace. She got her punishment in execution, but it was still sad to see. Otherwise, there was a lot of exposition this episode around the identity of Ah-Duo and her supposedly dead son, the identity of Jinshi, and some other characters. All signs point to Jinshi and Ah-Duo's supposed son having been switched at birth, but there is still much to unravel. The mysteries deepen... |
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