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Illyricus said: Can't fault MAPPA, it's the same way in the manga. They could've technically made it an anime original scene though and no one would've complained. It's probably the biggest let-down of this arc and I'd even say of the entire manga (it's up there with skipping over the Greece travels in favor of a timeskip).I cannot be the only one disappointed that the reunion of Leif and Thorfinn happened offscreen and was overshadowed by the stuff with Ketil, right? |
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A True Warrior has fallen. 😭 |
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| I felt sad for Arnheid but oh well, Thorfinn finally will see freedom. Einar looked devastated though, heart wrenching episode with yet another masterclass episode from Vinland team. |
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Blackwolf1261 said: FINALLY!! Okay one step at a time Absolutely loved Ketil's rage, and probably not quite what the writers intended but, His beating of Arnheid was deserved, as a character she ticked me of way to much It... It wasn't deserved at all though. Are you projecting or something here? Arnheid is a helpless pregnant slave wishing for freedom, and Ketil is slave owner using her for his selfish needs without any care for her feelings. Whether or not she ticks you off, this beating was unjustly and overly brutal. No it definitely wasn't the writers intentions here, but it's not their fault either, it's yours I'm afraid. |
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| Just like in the manga, Thorfinn's and Leif's reunion happens offscreen, but at least they will have a conversation that you'd expect to happen between two people who haven't seen each other in years. |
| The two plotlines have come together in this heartwrenching episode. The fact 5 guests are dead and war is imminent. Nonetheless, we have more going on; Thorgil just tells the farm to prepare for war without any mention of who the enemy is. Canute, having met Ketil in person has doubts on if he will live up to the "Iron Fist Ketil" name. So much brutality was conveyed as Ketil showed his true face. Arnheid was severely beaten and dehumanised. Even after he stopped the beating due to Snake, he would not yield and refused to sell her to Leif. Though the last time he was Arnheid, he admitted to being a fraud, being pushed to such an edge has driven him to draw a sword against royalty. |
Fortress_MaximusMay 8, 2023 2:08 PM
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| Throfinn and Leif reuiniting was OFF SCREEN? That feels like one of the dumbest decisions ever. |
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| Man, I really love this series, but I have to be honest, that ending pissed me off, I have been waiting for the reunion of Leif and Thorfinn all season, and they just skip it? wtf? |
Ainuldex19 said: Elucid said: It... It wasn't deserved at all though. Are you projecting or something here? Arnheid is a helpless pregnant slave wishing for freedom, and Ketil is slave owner using her for his selfish needs without any care for her feelings. Whether or not she ticks you off, this beating was unjustly and overly brutal. No it definitely wasn't the writers intentions here, but it's not their fault either, it's yours I'm afraid. Vinland saga's theme is literally pacifism.Yes,unjust treatment was/is common but it is definitely not something to be proud of. I know all this dude, I've been following this series for years. It certainly isn't something to be proud of. |
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| Yikes... Now it's almost certain that the baby inside Arnheid is dead. Unless miracle happens. |
| Bro i really I wanted to see a huge reunion between Thorfin and the old man whose been looking for him for ages |
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| watching arnheid getting beat up hurt my emotional state in every way possible. |
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Blackwolf1261 said: Started out writing a long reply to that, but ended up skipping that xD Yea my quote "deserved" is a bit misplaced, at the time of writing I could not put it into words without making me sounds like a sexists lunatic. In the end, I simply could not stand her as an character. It could have been a boy or girl it matters not, it was the decision of focusing WAY to much on her and it felt forced. I simply could not empathy with her, nor like her. So when she was beaten, again if it was a dude same feeling, it felt "satisfying" in the way that he beat the character I could not stand. Again in the situation of the world, that was brutal and unjust. But from an anime/entertainment aspect I simply disliked the character so much as I felt they neglected other more import aspects, such as the reunion! I have a lot of shit to say right now about what you've said but I will gain nothing from it so I'll just acknowledge this as an opinion and move on. |
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| Yet another very heavy episode filled with pain and despair, for Ketil and for Arnheid, the latter I doubt will survive for very much longer. Ketil has mentally broken, and rightfully so, as everything he has worked so hard for is about to be all taken away from him, and seeing Arnheid supposedly "betray" him by attempting to escape, it was most certainly the last straw for his sanity. Ketil has the nickname "Iron Fist" supposedly, and even if it was a false narrative back then, with all the events that have transpired, he might just start living up to that name, for better or for worse. Reunions will be very interesting, with Thorfinn soon to be seeing Leif and Canute once more. There is bound to be more pain ahead, and I am loving every second of what I'm seeing so far. |
| I'm pretty surprised that (it at least looks like) Ketil is still willing to let Thorfinn and Einar go knowing they helped in the attempted escape that he's so fumed about. |
Blackwolf1261 said: No dude, please tell me ? I get that what I am saying might really be messed up but I wanna hear what other people have to say. It was really hard for me to put into words why that scene was as it was for me. I re-wrote my original quote due to this, but I don't wanna write a novel to explain that. It's 5 AM as I'm writing this and I have not gotten any sleep so I was hoping to get some, but fine, I'll break down what you've said. It's mainly related to your criticisms now that you've clarified things about the deserved statement (still a little concerning finding satisfaction in something like this ngl). It'll only be relatively short though. "In the end, I simply could not stand her as an character. It could have been a boy or girl it matters not, it was the decision of focusing WAY to much on her and it felt forced." Right, so focusing on a side character is a bad thing now? Always has to be the main characters in the spotlight. Vinland Saga has always been about paying attention to each individual character and now Arnheids where you draw the line? Thorfinns revenge could be defined as forced simply because it pushes the plot forward, you could apply this to Canute and Askeladd too in certain areas. However this would be a lame criticism as it's too snobbish and goes against how stories are set up. The narrative has set up Arnheid to eventually get the spotlight as she's been a recurring character, and her dynamic with Gardar has pushed the themes of slavery, regret, and the cost of greed within Vinland Saga. She's also given Thorfinn an opportunity to explore the conflicts in his own pacifist ideology as we've seen from the Snake vs Thorfinn fight. Why is she the exception? A side character as helpless as her deserves to get some focus as it adds a new perspective in this historical period. I think she's well written and used very well in this regard. Her voice actor is also very good at expressing the characters distressed emotions. "I simply could not empathy with her, nor like her. So when she was beaten, again if it was a dude same feeling, it felt "satisfying" in the way that he beat the character I could not stand. Again in the situation of the world, that was brutal and unjust. But from an anime/entertainment aspect I simply disliked the character so much as I felt they neglected other more import aspects, such as the reunion!" Well if this is how you feel, it's definitely not the fact that she's getting more focus, it seems you just don't like her to begin with. Despite saying that it's not about gender, I would be curious to see how you feel about her if she were a man instead. Would you have the same reception? Interesting... Anyways yes I've heard about the complaint about the reuinion but this actually happens in the source material, I don't know why but it is what it is. |
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Blackwolf1261 said: No dude, please tell me ? I get that what I am saying might really be messed up but I wanna hear what other people have to say. It was really hard for me to put into words why that scene was as it was for me. I re-wrote my original quote due to this, but I don't wanna write a novel to explain that. My question would be, what is it about Arnheid that rubs you the wrong way? is it because she's helpless, almost like "damsel in distress", not being able to do anything about her situation? I understand that a lot of people might get angry at that, but I feel that's more a projection. Personally, I think Arnheid is a woman in a violent, hobbesian, man's world, and she's doing the best she can with the hand she's been dealt. She's doing her best in a world that has denied her purpose and meaning, and continues to do so. Is that what makes you angry or frustrated, and maybe you're projecting? |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| Honestly when Analaid (sp) was first introduced I thought she'd end up getting killed but I was not prepared for the beat down. Excited to see how all of this is going to come together. It's going to be such a cluster. |
| Despite being a manga reader, I wasn't ready for this episode 😔😟☹️😭 |
| "I'll Take a Potato Chip and EAT IT" |
| GOD DAMN MANN ketil gone maaaddd, btw is there not going to be like a reunion scene between leif and thorfin like i was kinda waiting for one man also i don't rly think ketil did anything too wrong i mean she's his slave, like if MY slave tried to escape i'd do the same as he did anyway looking forward to next episode now that ketil is ready to fightttttt |
DreadfulLawMay 8, 2023 1:28 PM
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| This was too hard and sad to watch. Ketil was already in a lot of stress. After hearing more after he came back. Oh my goodness. That beating was just oh my goodness. Now we about to get to war now. I thought the story about Ketil was not true and just made up. |
| It's going to be an overused word to describe this episode, but it sums up what happened so perfectly, that I have to use it myself. Brutal... Ketil is one broken man and even that feels like an understatement. With war against King Canute imminent and with his farm severely under threat, as well as the Gardar incident leaving 5 guests dead and upon hearing from his own wife that Arnheid tried to escape, the strings trying to keep Ketil's sanity had slowly snapped off, one by one. Although he did arrive to tell the guard, who was trying to have his way on Arnheid, to clear off, he then unleashed a severe beating which got more and more ruthless before Snake intervened. The injuries that Arnheid got is serious enough, but what concerns me more is the condition of her unborn child. Considering where she was hit by Ketil's weapon of choice, I have doubts if the unborn child will even survive. Either way, seeing Einar looking distraught upon seeing Arnheid heavily injured was a depressing sight to see. =( As with many others here, I was expecting to see the reunion between Thorfinn and Leif at long last, but it did look like it was skipped. I'm guessing that it'll be shown in the next episode instead, as I can only imagine that placing it here in this episode would most likely changed the mood of the episode too suddenly and make it feel rather disjointed. Not only that, but it feels inevitable that Thorfinn and Canute will meet face to face once again. That's going to be torture for poor Thorfinn if that happens. Regardless of what happens next, no matter how brutal, I look forward to seeing where this story will go. |
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