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Mar 22, 2023 6:34 PM
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Hello everyone.

Lately I have been seeing the increase in troll accounts


I think a suggestion to that solution could be that the way to create an account is linked to the IP address.

That is, in case you want to create another account with the same IP address, it is only possible for a period of 2 weeks to 1 month.

Finally, nothing more to add.
Mar 23, 2023 1:12 AM
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That wouldn't really change anything because most of the time they already just change their IP address with a VPN and make a new account. It's very rare that someone would make a bunch of alts under the same IP 
Mar 23, 2023 1:23 AM
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It's 2023 and people still don't know how IP addresses work lol. You can literally just restart your router to get a new IP address. The only thing that would happen is that you fuck with people who use mobile network or VPN because they share the same IP with other people.
Mar 23, 2023 3:58 AM
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IP addresses get shared with hundreds if not thousands of people.
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Mar 23, 2023 11:21 AM
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By the time I'm commenting, the dude called Ishinashi has already reached 160 alt accounts lol
I reported this to the moderators. Now it's time to pray that one day it will be taken into account.

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Mar 23, 2023 12:15 PM
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CareBear said:
That wouldn't really change anything because most of the time they already just change their IP address with a VPN and make a new account. It's very rare that someone would make a bunch of alts under the same IP 


how about device fingerprint bans like how video game companies does bans?
Mar 23, 2023 12:22 PM
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How can you spot a troll account? I'm actually curious.


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Mar 23, 2023 12:25 PM
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As said IP address blocking isn't enough for many problem users.

I've seen ways to block actual devices become more and more used in the last few years, MyAnimelist should look into that if they haven't. Changing browser or IP address doesn't matter at all when they block you this way. From personal experience I know it's extremely effective and annoying to deal with! I haven't looked into it much tho, so in before some nerd yells at me about it (as always).

Probably something like #6:
https://fingerprint.com/blog/permanently-ban-users/


Of course there will be ways around that and anything else eventually and its a constant battle. That's why I've been saying for a while they should give the non-toxic and highly-active users some kind of post or thread hiding power over other users (not deleting permission). Has to be a one-click kinda thing not the full report process. Then they can just hide the spambot posts day by day when they see em and then a mod can get to deleting everything when they have time. I think you could trust active users like traed and deg with that, if they wanted to do it. I don't think they'd abuse that power.. right? 🤓


deg said:
CareBear said:
That wouldn't really change anything because most of the time they already just change their IP address with a VPN and make a new account. It's very rare that someone would make a bunch of alts under the same IP 


how about device fingerprint bans like how video game companies does bans?


Oh shit exactly what I just posted lmao. I think it could help a decent amount.
Shishio-kunMar 23, 2023 12:29 PM
Mar 23, 2023 12:30 PM
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yep device fingerprinting is becoming common this days especially on mobile devices
Mar 23, 2023 1:13 PM
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PwnZ said:
How can you spot a troll account? I'm actually curious.
Many ways, they can spam messages, create bait thread in forum, downvoting score or review.
Mar 23, 2023 6:03 PM

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deg said:
CareBear said:
That wouldn't really change anything because most of the time they already just change their IP address with a VPN and make a new account. It's very rare that someone would make a bunch of alts under the same IP 


how about device fingerprint bans like how video game companies does bans?
Not a bad idea but just not something that I see ever being implemented imo.

troll accounts are a problem, but it's usually just those handful of people who make accounts over and over again for malicious purposes, and once they're found they're easy to ban and delete

I don't think preventing them from making additional accounts in the first place would be a feature that would ever have any priority
CareBearMar 23, 2023 6:09 PM
Mar 26, 2023 2:49 AM

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deg said:
how about device fingerprint bans like how video game companies does bans?

Video games have access to your hardware information, MAL doesn't. Both hardware and browser fingerprints can easily be spoofed.

Shishio-kun said:
Of course there will be ways around that and anything else eventually and its a constant battle. That's why I've been saying for a while they should give the non-toxic and highly-active users some kind of post or thread hiding power over other users (not deleting permission). Has to be a one-click kinda thing not the full report process. Then they can just hide the spambot posts day by day when they see em and then a mod can get to deleting everything when they have time. I think you could trust active users like traed and deg with that, if they wanted to do it. I don't think they'd abuse that power.. right? 🤓

At this point MAL might as well just give some random users mod rights. Oh wait they already do that lol
Mar 26, 2023 3:50 AM
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ateks said:
deg said:
how about device fingerprint bans like how video game companies does bans?

Video games have access to your hardware information, MAL doesn't. Both hardware and browser fingerprints can easily be spoofed.


true spoofing is a thing but im not sure hardware spoofing is easy
Mar 26, 2023 9:21 AM

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How many accounts would you limit each IP to? You can't do a low number, because multiple people could live in the same household and be anime fans, especially in countries with multigenerational households (where you can have your parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins all living there). So the account limit would have to be high, like 10+ at least, but then it would be pointless for stopping dupes, since most dupers probably only make a couple of dupes anyway. Unless people are making like 20 dupe accounts to troll with?

Maybe you could have a system where the staff can see a list of new accounts that share an IP with any other account and then they could monitor those accounts to see if they're suspicious. Or maybe the current system of letting people report accounts is good enough.
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Apr 23, 2023 2:55 PM

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BlondieLottie said:
(the famous case of Ishinashi - Nanashi is a current example).


Rachiba said:
By the time I'm commenting, the dude called Ishinashi has already reached 160 alt accounts lol
I reported this to the moderators. Now it's time to pray that one day it will be taken into account.


Whoever is behind that username Ishinashi is a menace!
See: Add a filter for offensive words in usernames

IridescentJaune said:
Uhm, can we also add a filter for ishinashi[insert numbers here]? That user has been spamming the Interest Stacks page for the past few days non-stop with stacks entitled "Hetero" or "H.etero" as well as creating multiple accounts just to spam and attack a certain community. Just check their alt accounts' profile photos and some of their posts.

I ain't gonna use the 'Report' button anymore as I may get caught by the spam filter...
(See: Illegitimate (Duplicate) Account Detection System: Scores Will Be Recalculated Site-Wide)

Tip: Don't add "Hetero" or "H.etero" (or whatever they use as titles for their stacks) when reporting that user and their stacks/spams to avoid being caught as well by the spam filter.


I guess Ishinashi already changed their username. Check mhanzzje. So obvious as they're still using the title "H.etero" for their stacks. I ain't reporting them anymore thru the report button. LOL. 🙄 They have another username but I can't find it anymore...

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Oh, I also remember Daigou and his many alt accounts (There used to be more.):
GoodM0rning
PraiseGod
NewWorkoutPlan

They like giving 1. Above all, they sure love Kanye. LOL.

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I don't really agree with MAL's IP bans (See: IP Address Banned., so many alt accounts is MAL not doing IP Ban anymore?). There are innocent users that sometimes get caught when they are trying stuff for their spam filters.
Apr 25, 2023 9:56 AM

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There are innocent users that sometimes get caught when they are trying stuff for their spam filters.

I've been IP auto banned three times by now for my posts or signature having trigger URLs or words in them.
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Apr 25, 2023 6:05 PM

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I don't honestly give a shit-assholes are gonna be assholes no matter what one does.......!
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Apr 26, 2023 2:11 AM
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It's not very hard to change your IP address. Not to mention, if it's limited to one IP then that would mean that you are basically fucked if you want to log in anywhere else, or if you no longer have your old IP

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Apr 27, 2023 8:23 AM

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Everyday the same mental case troll creating tons of new accs to spam the same shitty interest stacks and reviews... there should be a way to at least automatically flag some stuff (username, duplicated interested stack names or reviews) and send automatically to mod review

Apr 27, 2023 4:43 PM

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PxHC said:
Everyday the same mental case troll creating tons of new accs to spam the same shitty interest stacks and reviews... there should be a way to at least automatically flag some stuff (username, duplicated interested stack names or reviews) and send automatically to mod review


Yeah! Whoever is behind that is so annoying. I'd like to report them but I already got tired and I don't wanna get caught by the spam filter while reporting thru the report button again 🙄. I'm just gonna bump this thread then.

Anyways, maybe they will get bored of trolling someday and stop...
May 16, 2023 2:29 AM

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Fr that dude needs to stop. They keep making homophobic and transphobic reviews but also was misogynistic against me
May 16, 2023 3:01 PM

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That one mod named gaussian is literally deleting 90% of all reviews and interest stacks and yet they don't have the capacity to deal with a single troll. Blows my mind.
May 23, 2023 8:39 AM

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Whenever you see some stupid troll reviews popping up it's always the same name... at least it seems he gave up spamming the same stupid interest stacks for now... the guy is a known troll that just shit over all community guidelines and harass other users, I'm sure by now every single mod knows him, no idea why they just go and moderate a review or a comment individually instead of just banning the acc on the spot, treating like a new acc is a new user, how many second chances to behave this mental ward case going to get? He still got a hundred of accs around that could be cleaned.


edit: I said a hundred? It's actually two hundreds
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May 23, 2023 9:09 AM
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I've been reporting his accounts for weeks now and despite being answered that the issues got dealt with, big majority of his lists and with that his obvious 1 point ratings against any form of LGBT still stand to this very point.

I can't stand mods blatantly lying about it, either do something immediately after report (people like this just can't be allowed to stay this long) or just admit you don't feel like dealing with this individual. 
SmudyMay 23, 2023 9:25 AM
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I almost thought the homophobic "ishinashi arc" is over. LOL. So it seems they just stopped with their spam stacks for now and is just utilizing other ways to spam and troll. Well, I also saw them dropping titles and giving 1 (example: https://myanimelist.net/manga/95738/Yarichin☆Bitch-bu/stats?m=all#members). Haha. I already gave up reporting them with the report button. They're [comically] insufferable. Hmm... What if they had something to do with the "Let's All Love Lain" fiasco? Haha.
May 23, 2023 1:43 PM

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What compels someone to do this?
Jun 14, 2023 7:56 AM

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I don't use much the forums, the community features I browse the most are stacks and reviews... and I just counted, the same retarded posted 30 reviews today, almost in a row... and it's the same he posts everyday, and of course majority is just one sentence being repeated several times... I read on other topics that this cancer was sending death threats to people too... how can one person be so obnoxious?

edit: 30m after this comment he already created a new acc and posted 4 more of the same reviews...

edit2: 1h after, another new acc (the 7h of the day), 8 more reviews so far...
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The situation with this fucking troll is already out of control. Not only does it continue to spread like Covid-19 in its early days, but it is also beginning to leave death threats not only to a certain community, but also to people who begin to respectfully oppose it...

From what I've been observing lately, although mods are limited to deleting their shit to avoid visual contamination, it's not enough.
I think a workaround would be for new accounts to not be able to have the benefit of import/export and leave reviews for 2 weeks or so (would be the best way to stop that person).

Smudy said:
I've been reporting his accounts for weeks now and despite being answered that the issues got dealt with, big majority of his lists and with that his obvious 1 point ratings against any form of LGBT still stand to this very point.

I can't stand mods blatantly lying about it, either do something immediately after report (people like this just can't be allowed to stay this long) or just admit you don't feel like dealing with this individual. 
I have been reporting their accounts since time immemorial and the situation has hardly changed. The truth is that every time I lose more hope that the mods stop this guy.

RealCheeze said:
Fr that dude needs to stop. They keep making homophobic and transphobic reviews but also was misogynistic against me
Your case actually made me very curious. I investigated it and indeed. This guy with one of his many multi-accounts entered your profile and left threats... I find it unacceptable that with cases like these, mods continue without taking drastic measures to stop this guy who calls himself Ishinashi/Nanashi/etc.

PxHC said:
Whenever you see some stupid troll reviews popping up it's always the same name... at least it seems he gave up spamming the same stupid interest stacks for now... the guy is a known troll that just shit over all community guidelines and harass other users, I'm sure by now every single mod knows him, no idea why they just go and moderate a review or a comment individually instead of just banning the acc on the spot, treating like a new acc is a new user, how many second chances to behave this mental ward case going to get? He still got a hundred of accs around that could be cleaned.


edit: I said a hundred? It's actually two hundreds
Recently he is leaving the same type of comments in the discussion forums of Doctor Stone or Oshi no Ko... (or rather, in almost all discussion forums).
How icing on the cake, the number of accounts called Ishinashi, Nanashi, mhanzzje, etc... I would really dare to say that it is close to 400 bots.

In general, this situation has been out of control since practically last year.
Jun 15, 2023 8:54 PM

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BlondieLottie said:
The situation with this fucking troll is already out of control. Not only does it continue to spread like Covid-19 in its early days, but it is also beginning to leave death threats not only to a certain community, but also to people who begin to respectfully oppose it...

From what I've been observing lately, although mods are limited to deleting their shit to avoid visual contamination, it's not enough.
I think a workaround would be for new accounts to not be able to have the benefit of import/export and leave reviews for 2 weeks or so (would be the best way to stop that person).

Smudy said:
I've been reporting his accounts for weeks now and despite being answered that the issues got dealt with, big majority of his lists and with that his obvious 1 point ratings against any form of LGBT still stand to this very point.

I can't stand mods blatantly lying about it, either do something immediately after report (people like this just can't be allowed to stay this long) or just admit you don't feel like dealing with this individual. 
I have been reporting their accounts since time immemorial and the situation has hardly changed. The truth is that every time I lose more hope that the mods stop this guy.

RealCheeze said:
Fr that dude needs to stop. They keep making homophobic and transphobic reviews but also was misogynistic against me
Your case actually made me very curious. I investigated it and indeed. This guy with one of his many multi-accounts entered your profile and left threats... I find it unacceptable that with cases like these, mods continue without taking drastic measures to stop this guy who calls himself Ishinashi/Nanashi/etc.

PxHC said:
Whenever you see some stupid troll reviews popping up it's always the same name... at least it seems he gave up spamming the same stupid interest stacks for now... the guy is a known troll that just shit over all community guidelines and harass other users, I'm sure by now every single mod knows him, no idea why they just go and moderate a review or a comment individually instead of just banning the acc on the spot, treating like a new acc is a new user, how many second chances to behave this mental ward case going to get? He still got a hundred of accs around that could be cleaned.


edit: I said a hundred? It's actually two hundreds
Recently he is leaving the same type of comments in the discussion forums of Doctor Stone or Oshi no Ko... (or rather, in almost all discussion forums).
How icing on the cake, the number of accounts called Ishinashi, Nanashi, mhanzzje, etc... I would really dare to say that it is close to 400 bots.

In general, this situation has been out of control since practically last year.
I forgot to mention that they also accused me of being a pedophile without having proof at all ab it.
Jun 16, 2023 1:01 PM
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ishinashi has 300 forum accounts alone and counting here is his latest https://myanimelist.net/profile/ishinashi320

i guess the devs will do something when it reaches 1000 alt accounts
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deg said:
ishinashi has 300 forum accounts alone and counting here is his latest https://myanimelist.net/profile/ishinashi320

i guess the devs will do something when it reaches 1000 alt accounts


Why do I feel like it's gonna be higher than that... Maybe they will at around 10,000? LOL. Well, I just remembered 10k is the limit for threads before they get locked... 🤷
Jun 16, 2023 3:20 PM
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IridescentJaune said:
deg said:
ishinashi has 300 forum accounts alone and counting here is his latest https://myanimelist.net/profile/ishinashi320

i guess the devs will do something when it reaches 1000 alt accounts


Why do I feel like it's gonna be higher than that... Maybe they will at around 10,000? LOL. Well, I just remembered 10k is the limit for threads before they get locked... 🤷


im not gonna be surprise like look at how many years before MAL devs added dark mode
Sep 27, 2023 2:47 PM

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I almost thought the homophobic "ishinashi arc" is over. LOL. So it seems they just stopped with their spam stacks for now and is just utilizing other ways to spam and troll. Well, I also saw them dropping titles and giving 1 (example: https://myanimelist.net/manga/95738/Yarichin☆Bitch-bu/stats?m=all#members). Haha. I already gave up reporting them with the report button. They're [comically] insufferable. Hmm... What if they had something to do with the "Let's All Love Lain" fiasco? Haha.
IridescentJaune said:
They're [comically] insufferable. Hmm... What if they had something to do with the "Let's All Love Lain" fiasco? Haha.
I wouldnt put it past them LOL. Im really salty towards whoever did that because they got me knocked out of the top 10 in last seasons FAL tournament.
Sep 29, 2023 5:03 AM

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How can you spot a troll account? I'm actually curious.
Many ways, they can spam messages, create bait thread in forum, downvoting score or review.
@kizumi91 You forgot leaving provocative comments or harassing individual members. I mean, this guy still texts me insults in all sorts of ways because he decided I was an LGBTQ activist after making a thread about a gay supporting character in a rom-com.
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It seems that Ishinashi's case will not have an end for a long time. My sincere condolences to those who have been harassed by said user or put up with his or her stupidity.

It currently has more than 600 accounts (some with different names)

You can consult them here:

- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=ishinashi&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=nanashi99&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=nanashi1999&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=ishinashi1999&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=ishinashi99&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=mhanz&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=mhanzz&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=mhanzz99&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=shitsitee&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=
- https://myanimelist.net/users.php?cat=user&q=ishigami99&loc=&agelow=0&agehigh=0&g=

These are some compilations of the accounts (and I'm still missing them, since some have very far-fetched names).

I also don't want to imagine the nightmares it causes on Twitter, Facebook and other social media, where it does exactly the same thing.

Edit: It seems that the name has been changed again, to https: https://myanimelist.net/profile/nixjdn / https://myanimelist.net/profile/nivha
BlondieLottieOct 12, 2023 1:11 PM

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