What is your opinion on nijikons?
| Let's see what MAL community thinks of people like me - nijikons. |
| everyone that watches anime at an above average rate is one to some degree quit lying to yourselves |
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| What does it mean, every day I see new words related to anime on this site. |
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| Remember anime characters are fictitious figments of imagination and can never substitute for the objective physical reality that we inhabit. |
| Nijikon (二次コン) or nijigen konpurekkusu (二次元コンプレックス), from the English "2D complex", is the affective perception that two-dimensional anime, manga, and light novel characters are more attractive visually, physically or emotionally than people from the real world. Well, I'm one of them |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Mmm, surprised I have heard about this term just now, you would think people would use it more often in today's anime community focused in "waifus" and things like that. |
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NekoZamurai said: What does it mean, every day I see new words related to anime on this site. Affective perception that two-dimensional anime, manga, and light novel characters are more attractive visually, physically or emotionally than people from the real world. It's literally the same as fictosexuality. tchitchouan said: Remember anime characters are fictitious figments of imagination and can never substitute for the objective physical reality that we inhabit. Saying fictional characters can replace irl people as partners and sexual objects isn't bad especially when fictional characters are idealizations. |
ToumaTachibanaDec 14, 2022 10:18 AM
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| Nijikon is the truth. Its just an extreme term for an Otaku. Its a simple fact that 2D>>>3D |
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| anime characters are more perfect than irl people of course, some dont even have flaws because they can be written that way. humans will always be flawed 😭 |
| So long as you have limits and know them, I'm mostly okay with it. I guess I find them a comfort thing, but I also am like this with other things also. |
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| Of course a lot anime characters as well as certain other 2D characters are more attractive than real people.They're specifically made to be perfect and attractive and don't need any sort of makeup or cosmetic surgery to achieve that. That being said, I stand by my favorite 3D video game characters being better than 2D and real life 3D. |
| Hm, I guess it depends on how extreme and obsessive the nijikon is. I don’t think I mind some nijikons, since I find anime characters to be generally more attractive-looking than people in the real world as well. But, if we’re talking about nijikons who officially marry their dakimakura through traditional wedding ceremonies and treat the dakimakura as if they were real physical people who can talk back to you, then I think that’s when things can get quite extreme and eyebrows might be raised. But at the end of the day, to each their own. They’re not negatively affecting my life or the life of others, so it shouldn’t really be a problem in my view. |
| I think they're cool people, and I'm also kind of half-nijikon. |
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| I adore my favourite waifus but they can't really hold much of a candle to irl. |
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| I think they are pretty cool people. |
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| Just own that you are a waifufag instead of coming up with new buzzwords to make yourself look smart. |
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Mirai said: This word existed for decades though. Just own that you are a waifufag instead of coming up with new buzzwords to make yourself look smart. |
| What do you even mean by nijokon These words man |
-Shizuna- said: Mirai said: This word existed for decades though. Just own that you are a waifufag instead of coming up with new buzzwords to make yourself look smart. Why I only heard of this nonsense just now then |
| what is my opinion on basically the whole weebs currently? None. They can go fuck themselves, I dont care. |
nachomaxo1 said: You'd be surprised to learn there are plenty of words you haven't heard before... People learn new words throughout their entire lives, but it doesn't mean they are new. -Shizuna- said: This word existed for decades though. Why I only heard of this nonsense just now then |
| I've never met anyone who 100% believed 2D people were better than 3D. Like people say they have waifus and husbandos (myself included) however they are not our actual love interests. We are committed to the bit. Having a waifu means you feel strongly towards that character but you can still differentiate between real people. Most waifus would be terrible irl. You don't have to be attracted to anyone or any gender, but publicly saying I only like 2D people is Cringe. I think those people are lost in anime and it's becoming unhealthy. We live in this world you can't change that, that character you "love" came from another real life person. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't verbally judge cause it is indecent but you did ask lol. I am genuinely interested on how and why you feel this type of way. Please let me know. |
TheSunLifeDec 14, 2022 11:17 AM
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TheSunLife said: To me its similar to how pagans worshipped their gods. Unlike monotheism, polytheistic religions tend to base their deities on human personalities, e.g. Greek Pantheon, Norse Pantheon, Egyptian Pantheon, Slavic Pantheon, Japanese Shinto, etc.. When I read myths and other stories about these gods they seem to be exactly like anime characters - human in nature, but idealized in some way. In case with Nijikon, worship leans more into affection & love territory, but these characters and affection you feel towards them can still ignite all sorts of positive emotions in you. And also, I suppose that from atheistic point of view there should be no difference between religious people and those who are obsessed with 2D characters since both groups believe in something which can't be proven by science. Then again, there are a lot of stuff people tend to believe, specifically ideologies which... Tend to be much more harmful than lonely otaku fantasizing about their favorite characters. I've never met anyone who 100% believed 2D people were better than 3D. Like people say they have waifus and husbandos (myself included) however they are not our actual love interests. We are committed to the bit. Having a waifu means you feel strongly towards that character but you can still differentiate between real people. Most waifus would be terrible irl. You don't have to be attracted to anyone or any gender, but publicly saying I only like 2D people is Cringe. I think those people are lost in anime and it's becoming unhealthy. We live in this world you can't change that, that character you "love" came from another real life person. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'd don't verbally judge cause it is indecent but you did ask lol. I am genuinely interested on how and why you feel this type of way. Please let me know. |
-Shizuna- said: TheSunLife said: To me its similar to how pagans worshipped their gods. Unlike monotheism, polytheistic religions tend to base their deities on human personalities, e.g. Greek Pantheon, Norse Pantheon, Egyptian Pantheon, Slavic Pantheon, Japanese Shinto, etc.. When I read myths and other stories about these gods they seem to be exactly like anime characters - human in nature, but idealized in some way. In case with Nijikon, worship leans more into affection & love territory, but these characters and affection you feel towards them can still ignite all sorts of positive emotions in you. And also, I suppose that from atheistic point of view there should be no difference between religious people and those who are obsessed with 2D characters since both groups believe in something which can't be proven by science. Then again, there are a lot of stuff people tend to believe, specifically ideologies which... Tend to be much more harmful than lonely otaku fantasizing about their favorite characters. I've never met anyone who 100% believed 2D people were better than 3D. Like people say they have waifus and husbandos (myself included) however they are not our actual love interests. We are committed to the bit. Having a waifu means you feel strongly towards that character but you can still differentiate between real people. Most waifus would be terrible irl. You don't have to be attracted to anyone or any gender, but publicly saying I only like 2D people is Cringe. I think those people are lost in anime and it's becoming unhealthy. We live in this world you can't change that, that character you "love" came from another real life person. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'd don't verbally judge cause it is indecent but you did ask lol. I am genuinely interested on how and why you feel this type of way. Please let me know. Ok I think I misunderstood then. You don't literally believe this character is your wife/partner? It's more of a religious kind of thing, I respect that (it's a little less cringe now). I personally am not that religious but I come from a polytheistic upbringing. So do you have like shrines for the character or do you pray to them? You said you see it kinda like mythology but, Do you actually believe that there was a guy named Hercules who was a god (for example)? Believing in mythology is fine cause there is no way to prove that stuff didn't happen years ago but anime characters? We literally know from the creators that it is made up. I'm just playing devils advocate here not attacking peoples beliefs lol |
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TheSunLife said: -Shizuna- said: To me its similar to how pagans worshipped their gods. Unlike monotheism, polytheistic religions tend to base their deities on human personalities, e.g. Greek Pantheon, Norse Pantheon, Egyptian Pantheon, Slavic Pantheon, Japanese Shinto, etc.. When I read myths and other stories about these gods they seem to be exactly like anime characters - human in nature, but idealized in some way. In case with Nijikon, worship leans more into affection & love territory, but these characters and affection you feel towards them can still ignite all sorts of positive emotions in you. And also, I suppose that from atheistic point of view there should be no difference between religious people and those who are obsessed with 2D characters since both groups believe in something which can't be proven by science. Then again, there are a lot of stuff people tend to believe, specifically ideologies which... Tend to be much more harmful than lonely otaku fantasizing about their favorite characters. Ok I think I misunderstood then. You don't literally believe this character is your wife/partner? It's more of a religious kind of thing, I respect that (it's a little less cringe now). I personally am not that religious but I come from a polytheistic upbringing. So do you have like shrines for the character or do you pray to them? You said you see it kinda like mythology but, Do you actually believe that there was a guy named Hercules who was a god (for example)? Believing in mythology is fine cause there is no way to prove that stuff didn't happen years ago but anime characters? We literally know from the creators that it is made up. I'm just playing devils advocate here not attacking peoples beliefs lol Regardless of what science might think, gods exists in hearts of their believers, and so are the characters we cherish and love, even if "rituals" might differ. I have some merch, but that's about it, but I guess if I was a millionaire I could build a small shrine of sorts on my land or inside the house for aesthetical and spiritual enrichment. |
| I mean if I may give you a galaxy brain take, since human vision is already 2D everyone is technically a Nijicon (Yes, depth perception exists but each eye has a 2D view). You can't date a png but as far as appreciation goes a png of a person is just as 2D as a realistic drawing. You can also think about it this way, what if in the far future VR is so advanced that you can literally plug yourself into a anime-like avatar, with full haptic and sensory feedback and date that way. Is it weird? yes. Is it fundamentally an illegitimate way to socialize? I'm not so sure. |
| @Anjuro it would still be worse because these avatars will be fake, i.e. they'll lack personalities and backgrounds which make anime characters so attractive. |
-Shizuna- said: @Anjuro it would still be worse because these avatars will be fake, i.e. they'll lack personalities and backgrounds which make anime characters so attractive. Hmm well if the anime personalities is where the appeal is all you have to do is build a "anime chatbot" and hook it up to the 3D model somehow, maybe you can even have the best of harem and monogamy at the same time by dating a real girl and having a harem of anime AI girls. Am I crazy or am I crazy? |
Anjuro said: Humanity could also create artificial anime-styled bodies and transplant peoples' brains into them. Some say anime characters would look ugly in real world, but considering how beautiful anime figures are I'm rather skeptical about that statement. -Shizuna- said: @Anjuro it would still be worse because these avatars will be fake, i.e. they'll lack personalities and backgrounds which make anime characters so attractive. Hmm well if the anime personalities is where the appeal is all you have to do is build a "anime chatbot" and hook it up to the 3D model somehow, maybe you can even have the best of harem and monogamy at the same time by dating a real girl and having a harem of anime AI girls. Am I crazy or am I crazy? |
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-Shizuna- said: Anjuro said: Humanity could also create artificial anime-styled bodies and transplant peoples' brains into them. Some say anime characters would look ugly in real world, but considering how beautiful anime figures are I'm rather skeptical about that statement. Hmm well if the anime personalities is where the appeal is all you have to do is build a "anime chatbot" and hook it up to the 3D model somehow, maybe you can even have the best of harem and monogamy at the same time by dating a real girl and having a harem of anime AI girls. Am I crazy or am I crazy? As someone who has made 3D anime models (badly) I would be inclined to think that those people are probably correct. There's a lot of CG tricks that go into 3D models. Then again , if both parties are in an "anime mecha" technically there can be whatever post processing you wish there to be so even if the robots look like ass to a human eye they could look as good as ever to the mech pilots. Just another Wednesday on the MAL forums discussing uploading human consciousness into a mecha to become anime because we just hate the real world so much that these are the lengths we are willing to go to. |
Anjuro said: It is what it is man. In some aspects real world is more grimdark than even dangerous and messed up anime settings. -Shizuna- said: Humanity could also create artificial anime-styled bodies and transplant peoples' brains into them. Some say anime characters would look ugly in real world, but considering how beautiful anime figures are I'm rather skeptical about that statement. As someone who has made 3D anime models (badly) I would be inclined to think that those people are probably correct. There's a lot of CG tricks that go into 3D models. Then again , if both parties are in an "anime mecha" technically there can be whatever post processing you wish there to be so even if the robots look like ass to a human eye they could look as good as ever to the mech pilots. Just another Wednesday on the MAL forums discussing uploading human consciousness into a mecha to become anime because we just hate the real world so much that these are the lengths we are willing to go to. |
-Shizuna- said: Anjuro said: It is what it is man. In some aspects real world is more grimdark than even dangerous and messed up anime settings. As someone who has made 3D anime models (badly) I would be inclined to think that those people are probably correct. There's a lot of CG tricks that go into 3D models. Then again , if both parties are in an "anime mecha" technically there can be whatever post processing you wish there to be so even if the robots look like ass to a human eye they could look as good as ever to the mech pilots. Just another Wednesday on the MAL forums discussing uploading human consciousness into a mecha to become anime because we just hate the real world so much that these are the lengths we are willing to go to. Yes funnily enough even a dark fantasy like berserk is probably on par with reality in terms of senseless misery, maybe not in the present but certainly if you wind back the clock a couple of millenia and think about the kind of shit other animals go through every damn day. One of the perks of being human is that for the most part you don't have to face that abject reality, humans be like I aint about that lifestyle and literally built their own world inside the natural world, it still sucks ass but its not even in the same dimension as being in the jungle. The world of anime was also created by humans, we reject the natural order and substitute our own. A lot of people seem to think humans are pure evil and the worst thing to happen to the planet, but I say just about anything that's good was also created by us. Anyway, all this is just a long winded way of saying the real world sucks but humans can be pretty based sometimes. |
Anjuro said: To be honest I think both natural and artificial (civilized/scientific) orders suck but for different reasons. As cruel and ruthless nature is, at least other mammals don't have to work 9 hours per day (+commute) 5 days a week repeating the same task over and over without the possibility of ever completing it (since when you finish it you have to do it again). They also don't live surrounded by concrete walls and all that noise/light pollution. In that regard we are closer to insects than other mammals, apartment complexes and shopping malls are like anthills, ha-ha... -Shizuna- said: It is what it is man. In some aspects real world is more grimdark than even dangerous and messed up anime settings. Yes funnily enough even a dark fantasy like berserk is probably on par with reality in terms of senseless misery, maybe not in the present but certainly if you wind back the clock a couple of millenia and think about the kind of shit other animals go through every damn day. One of the perks of being human is that for the most part you don't have to face that abject reality, humans be like I aint about that lifestyle and literally built their own world inside the natural world, it still sucks ass but its not even in the same dimension as being in the jungle. The world of anime was also created by humans, we reject the natural order and substitute our own. A lot of people seem to think humans are pure evil and the worst thing to happen to the planet, but I say just about anything that's good was also created by us. Anyway, all this is just a long winded way of saying the real world sucks but humans can be pretty based sometimes. |
-Shizuna- said: Anjuro said: To be honest I think both natural and artificial (civilized/scientific) orders suck but for different reasons. As cruel and ruthless nature is, at least other mammals don't have to work 9 hours per day (+commute) 5 days a week repeating the same task over and over without the possibility of ever completing it (since when you finish it you have to do it again). They also don't live surrounded by concrete walls and all that noise/light pollution. In that regard we are closer to insects than other mammals, apartment complexes and shopping malls are like anthills, ha-ha... Yes funnily enough even a dark fantasy like berserk is probably on par with reality in terms of senseless misery, maybe not in the present but certainly if you wind back the clock a couple of millenia and think about the kind of shit other animals go through every damn day. One of the perks of being human is that for the most part you don't have to face that abject reality, humans be like I aint about that lifestyle and literally built their own world inside the natural world, it still sucks ass but its not even in the same dimension as being in the jungle. The world of anime was also created by humans, we reject the natural order and substitute our own. A lot of people seem to think humans are pure evil and the worst thing to happen to the planet, but I say just about anything that's good was also created by us. Anyway, all this is just a long winded way of saying the real world sucks but humans can be pretty based sometimes. Well yes, but I still think by and large the human world is an improvement. Take a cow for example, sure they don't have to work 9 hours on weekdays, they have eat 6 hours per day just to consume enough food to live and then immedietly start looking for fresh water and tomorrows food + try sleeping under the fear of being eaten by a leopard. No days off, no weekends, the slightest injury is probably equivalent to death , get the sniffles, dead. Even the concrete walls and the light pollution are more or less for our own benefit. What's the alternative? We live out in the cold and when 8 o clock rolls around we stare at a wall until bedtime (its even worse up here where I live, during winter it can get dark as early as 14:00, probably even earlier depending how north you live). As I said, yes the human world sucks ass too but goddamn it is sucks ass our way. Now if 20 years from now we live in an orwelian dystopia I might change my tune but for the time being I think we could probably be doing worse. |
yoslina said: Isn't everyone a little bit of nijikon? Yes I suppose I am a little bit 2D now that you mention it (copium for coping with my fat ass) |
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| If you're serious, you need to reconnect with the real world. |
| Nijikon? For me: Nijikon is just a choice. It's a branch after you became an otaku. It's a cool things? I don't things so, it's a cringe things? Not really. It's just like a "normal things" but the difference is you love 2d/3d as your "partner life" and forget the real one. Some of them are completely forget some of them are partial and still looking for "a normal things". In logic, if you choose as a nijikon, honestly its pretty sad. One sided. The greatest things is you would recieve an unusually amount of happiness from what you called ideal things. Because when you are admiring something you don't need to have it. Is that an artificial happiness? Sorry, you are wrong completely. It's a real things not a false love. |
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| I just wonder if they are completely uninterested in real potential partners. Or are they attracted to both. |
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Anjuro said: -Shizuna- said: To be honest I think both natural and artificial (civilized/scientific) orders suck but for different reasons. As cruel and ruthless nature is, at least other mammals don't have to work 9 hours per day (+commute) 5 days a week repeating the same task over and over without the possibility of ever completing it (since when you finish it you have to do it again). They also don't live surrounded by concrete walls and all that noise/light pollution. In that regard we are closer to insects than other mammals, apartment complexes and shopping malls are like anthills, ha-ha... Well yes, but I still think by and large the human world is an improvement. Take a cow for example, sure they don't have to work 9 hours on weekdays, they have eat 6 hours per day just to consume enough food to live and then immedietly start looking for fresh water and tomorrows food + try sleeping under the fear of being eaten by a leopard. No days off, no weekends, the slightest injury is probably equivalent to death , get the sniffles, dead. Even the concrete walls and the light pollution are more or less for our own benefit. What's the alternative? We live out in the cold and when 8 o clock rolls around we stare at a wall until bedtime (its even worse up here where I live, during winter it can get dark as early as 14:00, probably even earlier depending how north you live). As I said, yes the human world sucks ass too but goddamn it is sucks ass our way. Now if 20 years from now we live in an orwelian dystopia I might change my tune but for the time being I think we could probably be doing worse. That's a fair assessment I guess, I just wish people lived in a more natural way while maintaining intelligence and creativity of their species. That's one of the reasons I prefer small towns to big cities, but better salaries and access to variety of goods and services is hell of a drug. |
Mucharetsu said: It doesn't sound like such an appealing idea...If you're serious, you need to reconnect with the real world. |
SofiaBulga said: The last time I was romantically interested in a real human being was almost a decade ago.I just wonder if they are completely uninterested in real potential partners. Or are they attracted to both. |
-Shizuna- said: a decade ago. Okay forget romantic attraction, what about a sexual one? |
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SofiaBulga said: My sword lies dormant around the real thing unless my mind resides in fantasy. -Shizuna- said: a decade ago. Okay forget romantic attraction, what about a sexual one? |
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