This is incel propaganda

epidemia78 said:
I haven't seen the show and don't plan to but I do know that when anime portrays bullying, it often exaggerates it to ridiculous extremes.

epidemia78 said:
I haven't seen the show and don't plan to but I do know that when anime portrays bullying, it often exaggerates it to ridiculous extremes.

-Shizuna- said:
To be honest it depends on the school and country. For example, when I was in school bullies broke one guy a leg and another one's head was smashed against the wall so that he got a concussion; all for no other reason that it was "fun" to them. So most bullying I see in anime is pretty tame.

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

epidemia78 said:


Well damn. That's pretty extreme. Where I'm from, bullying is usually more about cruel jokes/rumors and being socially ostracized.

HanBoitheLamb said:

that may be the case in the west but in Korea being pretty really is a power. You are really looked down upon if you're really ugly and Koreans especially have no problems hiding how they feel about you

-Shizuna- said:
To be honest it depends on the school and country. For example, when I was in school bullies broke one guy a leg and another one's head was smashed against the wall so that he got a concussion; all for no other reason that it was "fun" to them. So most bullying I see in anime is pretty tame.

epidemia78 said:


Hmm I don't know much about Korea but I have noticed K-pop fandom is about the most toxic goddamn thing on the internet.

mobxmentality said:
i gotta admit i was kinda disappointed that there was not much depth to the topic of lookism itself
however ive seen people get bullied just because of their looks and in this case i felt it was just an exaggerated way to get the point across that people who are viewed as good looking by society have it easier in life
execution of it was not the best tho

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

Mando727 said:
Well for starters, bullying and societal values regarding looks are still much more prominent in the east than they are in the west. Not to say it isn’t prominent in the west, but it’s definitely improved quite a bit.

Secondly… welcome to fiction. Where shit gets exaggerated. We’re talking about a story involving gang wars between almost-superhuman high schoolers who look ten years older than they are. Of course the drama is gonna be exaggerated. And I can see why some might not like it, but it isn’t an objective flaw.

From what I could tell, this story’s message was “society (more specifically Korean society since that’s the setting) places too much value and priority on outward appearance.” And through the use of exaggerated fiction, I’d say it did that pretty well.

You’re already completely justified in not liking the show, but calling the show incel propaganda in your attempt at further unnecessary justification just seems kinda dumb to me. But to each their own I guess

(Sorry for the rant. I’m a nerd 🤓)

aico64 said:

The thing is that Its kinda true if ur Good looking u Will have it easier becouse the odds of you getting bullied when u look Good are way lower and not only that woman their standards are absurdly high nowadays so if ur ugly u stand no chance of getting in a relationship unless ur partner is imensely ugly as well Thats just the harsch reality and also I don’t think this show is just about bullying and how it’s easier for Good looking ppl I think it also motivates ppl who are ugly and fat to improve themselves and become good looking as well.

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

Koshi_Inaba said:
I'm from SEA and yes, even here bullying is freaking bad. My brother has one friend whose back was broken when bullies beat him so badly. That's not even mentioning fights between schools. I got a classmate who got sent to the hospital because his hand got cut up so badly. Bullying in the east is a serious problem. My highschool during my time was one of the school with the biggest problem with fighting and deliquency in my country, I was lucky I survived 3 years there.

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

Rimusimp said:
Bro grew up in Ohio not even gonna lie

Koshi_Inaba said:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Indonesia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_Jakarta

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawuran

https://youtu.be/mXWoe6rMOS0

I live in a country that has most active volcanoes, earthquake is a yearly occurance and it floods every rainy season. And when I said "fight between schools", they fight with machetes and sharp weapons and it could happen weekly. It also involved more than 50% of students of each year, not just a few. Also, a few years after I graduated, one of my junior killed somebody from a neighboring school with a machete. So please, don't patronize me.

GYBOx said:
You guys are missing the entire point of it. It’s just a show where someone who had nothing one day is granted the chance to have everything he wanted. The 8 episodes don’t even cover 10% of the manhwa, it gets way better later on since you see both bodies of his go through major changes along with the people with him.

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

Volkslied said:
That's a rather generalized view that ignores the fact that different cultures may have different social norms and related problems. Also, not that it matters, but Tae-Jun Park, the author of the manhwa, doesn't look like an incel to me.

HanBoitheLamb said:

this is the west where bullying isn't that bad. lookism is set in korea where bullying is a much more big and dangerous problem

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

EDIT: All the people saying, "its anime, of course it's exaggerated" slap yourself. That is the very thing I am criticizing. This anime's purpose isn't to show that we value pretty people too much (like one guy said), it's to open people's eyes to the struggles ugly people face by contrasting it with a pretty persons perspective. I don't like how they go off into this fairytale land that describes ugly people as literal shit stains. They could have done an immensely better job at portraying the ugly experience, but instead we get this? They speak about nothing profound, nothing nuanced. All the anime's with that one ugly character that gets their one episode already told us everything this show did in its 8 episode length. They don't need to exaggerate this topic. Bullying on the basis of appearance is already something we don't see in media (at least I don't). For an anime named Lookism, for it to be so 1-dimensional... I expected more. I call it incel propaganda because this 1-dimensional way of viewing this dynamic feels like it could of only been conjured up by someone who doesn't go outside. Whether the author does or doesn't is irrelevant.

Graceofmonaco said:

Its weird to say that in the west bullying isn’t that bad. As a school counselor in the Netherlands ( and i worked in Paris in the banlieues, and did an internship at an highschool in Nevada) i can tell you that bullying is bad everywhere. I had a student trying to set another student on fire “as a joke”.

HanBoitheLamb said:

sorry i should have re worded that. bullying is bad everywhere of course but the way korean society works combined with the fact that bullying isn't seen as a problem leads to one of the highest places of suicide among teens

RobertBobert said:
So, according to the OP, if you're being discriminated against and harassed because of social failure and you think it's unfair, then you're incel. OP, are you sure you're not the one being toxic and arrogant here?

Adayauu said:
Are you remedial? What you said is so disingenuous. That is not my position at all. Ugly people absolutely get discriminated against and if someone said that, I wouldn't call them an incel. Its when people have the perception that being ugly makes you unironically lesser than human. All ugly people do is get beat up, spit on, called pig, all the other insane stuff CONSTANTLY like on an everyday basis. When you think being ugly is sole defining factor about you and nothing NOTHING is good about your life. If that's your perception of ugly people, then I would absolutely call you an incel because its just not true.

RobertBobert said:


Lol, you immediately got personal in the first sentence. Well, you're literally implying that complaining about being discriminated and judged because of the social failure and your lack of beauty makes you incel, because being incel is about pointing out to people that you're being discriminated against because of those things. Is not it so? And I'm sorry, but by continuing to throw labels at those who disagree with you, you only confirm my words above.

Graceofmonaco said:
i can tell you that bullying is bad everywhere. I had a student trying to set another student on fire “as a joke”.

Adayauu said:
Thank you for answering my initial question because you can't seem to grapple with what im saying. I don't see how you could take away from what I said as just "complaining". To be fair, it could not be incel people. Maybe black pilled people. I'm not really in those communities so I don't know the difference.

Adayauu said:
I feel like this is what incels and black pilled people unironically think what happens to ugly people. Is there some element of truth to it? Sure? But no where near this point. The reality is that if you are ugly, no one pays attention to you. No good attention and no bad attention. There are absolutely struggles that ugly people face and this portrayal of it does nothing to highlight that issue which I just find disappointing

EDIT: All the people saying, "its anime, of course it's exaggerated" slap yourself. That is the very thing I am criticizing. This anime's purpose isn't to show that we value pretty people too much (like one guy said), it's to open people's eyes to the struggles ugly people face by contrasting it with a pretty persons perspective. I don't like how they go off into this fairytale land that describes ugly people as literal shit stains. They could have done an immensely better job at portraying the ugly experience, but instead we get this? They speak about nothing profound, nothing nuanced. All the anime's with that one ugly character that gets their one episode already told us everything this show did in its 8 episode length. They don't need to exaggerate this topic. Bullying on the basis of appearance is already something we don't see in media (at least I don't). For an anime named Lookism, for it to be so 1-dimensional... I expected more. I call it incel propaganda because this 1-dimensional way of viewing this dynamic feels like it could of only been conjured up by someone who doesn't go outside. Whether the author does or doesn't is irrelevant.