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Jul 21, 2022 4:48 PM
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So he finally sees her as what she actually is
Jul 21, 2022 4:54 PM
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The Curious Case of Seiko Osabe.
Jul 21, 2022 5:25 PM
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Not gonna lie, I just thought this whole time the mom had aged really really well for her age.
Jul 21, 2022 5:42 PM
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I honestly didnt get the point of this 2 or 3 recent chapters. Like, after all the fuckery she did to him, the author tries to kind of "redeem" her, and manipulate the reader into wanting to empathize with her, instead of explaining to us why she did what she did. After 126 chapters he starts doing this, I feel like I've been "betrayed". Imagine for example Miura making us empathize with Griffith after 364 chapters? Absurd right? Well then... I know they are 2 VERY different situations, but the feeling it's like the same. I need fucking explanations, not empathizing with her. This chapter was good, but pissed me off.
Jul 21, 2022 5:53 PM
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I honestly didnt get the point of this 2 or 3 recent chapters. Like, after all the fuckery she did to him, the author tries to kind of "redeem" her, and manipulate the reader into wanting to empathize with her, instead of explaining to us why she did what she did. After 126 chapters he starts doing this, I feel like I've been "betrayed". Imagine for example Miura making us empathize with Griffith after 364 chapters? Absurd right? Well then... I know they are 2 VERY different situations, but the feeling it's like the same. I need fucking explanations, not empathizing with her. This chapter was good, but pissed me off.


Many people actually defend Griffith and empathizing with him... and I think not all of them are even doing it for the meme sake. At least Miura himself didn't try to portray him that way.

I wish I could say it's all a deliberate plan to throw off readers and to have some "shocking twist" at the end about Seiichi being a real murderer and mom abuser but... wouldn't that be kinda obvious at this point? It's one thing or another. Either Seiko is a monster or Seiichi is the one and this is the real reason she wanted to get away from him- because she was scared. But, as I've written before, I think we DO need some sort of explanation for why she's so messed up. Especially because we have so much time on our hands now, lol, we could spend like 20 chapters just talking abouse Seiko's past.
Jul 21, 2022 6:33 PM
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Impactful... this chapter is just impactful.
The author is absolutely testing us. Will we sympathize with an old woman ? Will we agree that Sei would punch her ?
But I see that Sei is giving all the fucks back, she's worth zero to him now, and I can say that she won't be able to play any tricks on him again...
Jul 21, 2022 7:07 PM
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Hope Sei can at least try to get his life back together if he's basically just abandoning Seiko (although this isn't the end of her)

Definitely want some more backstory on her past. How she got that way would be a lot more interesting than these current chapters.
Jul 22, 2022 6:02 AM
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TheMangaManiac said:
Lucas-Souza_19 said:
I honestly didnt get the point of this 2 or 3 recent chapters. Like, after all the fuckery she did to him, the author tries to kind of "redeem" her, and manipulate the reader into wanting to empathize with her, instead of explaining to us why she did what she did. After 126 chapters he starts doing this, I feel like I've been "betrayed". Imagine for example Miura making us empathize with Griffith after 364 chapters? Absurd right? Well then... I know they are 2 VERY different situations, but the feeling it's like the same. I need fucking explanations, not empathizing with her. This chapter was good, but pissed me off.


Many people actually defend Griffith and empathizing with him... and I think not all of them are even doing it for the meme sake. At least Miura himself didn't try to portray him that way.

I wish I could say it's all a deliberate plan to throw off readers and to have some "shocking twist" at the end about Seiichi being a real murderer and mom abuser but... wouldn't that be kinda obvious at this point? It's one thing or another. Either Seiko is a monster or Seiichi is the one and this is the real reason she wanted to get away from him- because she was scared. But, as I've written before, I think we DO need some sort of explanation for why she's so messed up. Especially because we have so much time on our hands now, lol, we could spend like 20 chapters just talking abouse Seiko's past.
[quote=TheMangaManiac message=66935141][quote=Lucas-Souza_19 message=66935078]

Seiko already said her reasons for doing what she did in the chapter before he was send to juvie: she has no love growing up, feels not great about it, thought that she could give the love that was never given to her for her child and that somehow would "save" her; didnt work out, and she resent her son for that. Thats quite enough reason for me. In star wars episode 4 obi wan said that the reason for Vader being Vader is that he was sedused by the dark side and that was quite enough to be honestly; didnt needed to go deeper than that.
As for the "empathyze" part; she is old, she is weak, and she is senile now. Sei is the one who hold the power against her (emotionally, physically and finance wise). Thats the whole point of those last chapters. And he shows no mercy over her (for understandable reasons), but even so it is good to remember that she is not that terrifying woman who ruined his life anymore; she is just a old lady with the fragility of a child that barely knows whats going on. This doesnt excuse her past actions, but the fact is that she doesnt have any power to hurt him anymore, but he sure have now.
KakomagoJul 22, 2022 6:17 AM
Jul 22, 2022 11:49 AM
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So he has now reason to live.... paying her rent.... I'm really curious where will the plot go now (besides paying her rent)?

Maybe thats intentional but art become weaker.
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Jul 22, 2022 1:03 PM

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Kakomago said:

Seiko already said her reasons for doing what she did in the chapter before he was send to juvie: she has no love growing up, feels not great about it, thought that she could give the love that was never given to her for her child and that somehow would "save" her; didnt work out, and she resent her son for that. Thats quite enough reason for me. In star wars episode 4 obi wan said that the reason for Vader being Vader is that he was sedused by the dark side and that was quite enough to be honestly; didnt needed to go deeper than that.


Saying it in two pages isn't the same as actually showing her past. Why we can spend five chapters on Seiichi having mental breakdown, going to work and eating- and NOT her past?
Show, don't tell. So far manga followed this.

And I don't know what's the point in bringing up Vader, it's like we didn't have multiple seasons of animated shows, comic books and Episodes 1-3... Episodes 4-6 don't exist in a vaccuum, sadly. Maybe that's was enough backstory for some people, but it was extended later on.

Taito10 said:
So he has now reason to live.... paying her rent.... I'm really curious where will the plot go now (besides paying her rent)?


Mr.Ditkovich as final boss confirmed.
Jul 22, 2022 3:28 PM
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TheMangaManiac said:
Kakomago said:

Seiko already said her reasons for doing what she did in the chapter before he was send to juvie: she has no love growing up, feels not great about it, thought that she could give the love that was never given to her for her child and that somehow would "save" her; didnt work out, and she resent her son for that. Thats quite enough reason for me. In star wars episode 4 obi wan said that the reason for Vader being Vader is that he was sedused by the dark side and that was quite enough to be honestly; didnt needed to go deeper than that.


Saying it in two pages isn't the same as actually showing her past. Why we can spend five chapters on Seiichi having mental breakdown, going to work and eating- and NOT her past?
Show, don't tell. So far manga followed this.

And I don't know what's the point in bringing up Vader, it's like we didn't have multiple seasons of animated shows, comic books and Episodes 1-3... Episodes 4-6 don't exist in a vaccuum, sadly. Maybe that's was enough backstory for some people, but it was extended later on.

Taito10 said:
So he has now reason to live.... paying her rent.... I'm really curious where will the plot go now (besides paying her rent)?


Mr.Ditkovich as final boss confirmed.


For me it was quite enough; especially because the story is all about the pespective of Sei and his situation. I am fine with showing of his routine and ignoring Seiko past with just that two pages to inform it. Dont think it is needed (my point in bring Vader is that he has a backstory SO not needed in the extended universe/episode 1 to 3; all the necessary informations were already there in episode 4 to 6. But you can use Griffith from Berserk as an exemple too of "dont need a complex backstory for him to do what he did". It is fine to humanize just enough a monster without turning it in a justification of his actions). I am more interested in how Sei follow up with his life than a more detail reason of why seiko is like the way she is when she already explained it.
And about the "show, dont tell", i am fine with "tell dont show" if the focus of the narrative isnt the thing that is telling. It is Sei story after all, and his vision of his abuser. Dont need a sob story about how poor seiko turned out the way she did.
But i guess they soon or later will give an flashback or something about how she turned out that way. I would prefer not personally; it is fine to give just enough details for imagination sake, but nowdays this is treated almost as a plothole apparently :|
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Jul 23, 2022 12:02 AM

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Lol, that little Seiko kinda breaks the tension as it got me laughing....
Jul 23, 2022 12:05 AM

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Welp, that's the end of their reunion, probably going to take a load of chapters for them to meet again...
Jul 23, 2022 3:21 AM

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I hope Seiichi can finally move on with his life and forget his mother, but I doubt things will end well.
Jul 23, 2022 11:31 AM
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I hope Seiichi can finally move on with his life and forget his mother, but I doubt things will end well.


I've read 6 of Oshimis manga and he always ends his stories on a positive note. His overarching theme is always hope, so i doubt he'll end this one on a bad note too.
Jul 23, 2022 11:38 AM
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TheMangaManiac said:
Kakomago said:

Seiko already said her reasons for doing what she did in the chapter before he was send to juvie: she has no love growing up, feels not great about it, thought that she could give the love that was never given to her for her child and that somehow would "save" her; didnt work out, and she resent her son for that. Thats quite enough reason for me. In star wars episode 4 obi wan said that the reason for Vader being Vader is that he was sedused by the dark side and that was quite enough to be honestly; didnt needed to go deeper than that.


Saying it in two pages isn't the same as actually showing her past. Why we can spend five chapters on Seiichi having mental breakdown, going to work and eating- and NOT her past?
Show, don't tell. So far manga followed this.

And I don't know what's the point in bringing up Vader, it's like we didn't have multiple seasons of animated shows, comic books and Episodes 1-3... Episodes 4-6 don't exist in a vaccuum, sadly. Maybe that's was enough backstory for some people, but it was extended later on.

Taito10 said:
So he has now reason to live.... paying her rent.... I'm really curious where will the plot go now (besides paying her rent)?


Mr.Ditkovich as final boss confirmed.


Her past has definitely been alluded to throughout the whole manga. We're seeing the story through seiichis perspective and have been this whole time. That's what this chapter shows specifically, with how his mother changed in appearance TWICE. I don't think the manga needs its own section to explain why she is the way she is. That's not how relationships work, you can't just look into someones past and understand their actions.

You can piece together her past by the way she acts alone. It's subtle, but theres more to the manga than what you're shown
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Tenshi_Budo said:
I hope Seiichi can finally move on with his life and forget his mother, but I doubt things will end well.


I've read 6 of Oshimis manga and he always ends his stories on a positive note. His overarching theme is always hope, so i doubt he'll end this one on a bad note too.


Oh I see, that's unexpected for me, but I guess there's hope then.
Jul 23, 2022 5:49 PM
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Just imagine the catharsis of the moment a figure of terror, fear and control that has haunted you for your entire life is suddenly the weak one begging for forgiveness and mercy.

As opposed to healthy relationship with a parent, and the emotions their gradual aging and death will bring.
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Jul 25, 2022 12:16 PM

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Crazy chapter, it seems obvious now that we can't take everything we are seeing through Seiichi's eyes at face value. I wonder how much of his childhood went down differently from what we've seen. Now that the illusion of his mom's appearance has gone away I think the "true" memories of his childhood will come flooding back in the next few chapters.
Jul 25, 2022 1:23 PM

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Seems like the ending is close
Jul 25, 2022 7:26 PM
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Honestly, does anyone think this manga will have a happy ending? XD For me this will end in 1. The suicide of Seiko or 2. Seichi having s°x with her mother XD this manga has been so f up that I expect that.
Jul 30, 2022 7:30 AM

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Holy shit I've caught up to this series, this took me legit 3-4 hours to read from the beginning till now lol but anyways I'm FUCKING GLAD Seichi stepped up his game yet again to confront his mother treating him like an asshole since he was a child and now it's the son's turn to make the savage move. Seiko breaking down got me laughing lmao she looks like an idiot despite how I sympathize with her situation, I just can't forgive her actions and how she's not learning from her mental disorder, so she deserves this type of mockery. Well, it seems like the story will either drag things out with more tension which I don't mind because sometimes I find the dialogues a bit too exaggerated (Honestly I'm way too nitpicky about these kinds of stuff all the time so) but surprisingly each and every arc was pretty well executed and I'm sure this series will come to a happy ending because a sad ending just doesn't work when they're already giving the gimmicks of it as a central theme.
Aug 4, 2022 3:49 PM
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to me, it seems people are missing the point of this chapter. imo that look he gives her at the end is not a look of empathy, it looks more like he just doesn’t care anymore. he might pity her but he will most likely never forgive her.
pls read chainsaw man
Aug 5, 2022 4:03 PM

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Holy shit I've caught up to this series, this took me legit 3-4 hours to read from the beginning till now lol but anyways I'm FUCKING GLAD Seichi stepped up his game yet again to confront his mother treating him like an asshole since he was a child and now it's the son's turn to make the savage move. Seiko breaking down got me laughing lmao she looks like an idiot despite how I sympathize with her situation, I just can't forgive her actions and how she's not learning from her mental disorder, so she deserves this type of mockery. Well, it seems like the story will either drag things out with more tension which I don't mind because sometimes I find the dialogues a bit too exaggerated (Honestly I'm way too nitpicky about these kinds of stuff all the time so) but surprisingly each and every arc was pretty well executed and I'm sure this series will come to a happy ending because a sad ending just doesn't work when they're already giving the gimmicks of it as a central theme.


Sincd you read this in one go till chapter 126.

Im curious, whaat is the meaning of this story?

Since, i didn't remember much reading in on monthly basis per chapter.

I confused. What is the author trying to convey?

Sei is the bad guy or his mom?
The dynamic between them always ambiguous from my perspective.

Over protective mom? Or fucked up child?
Or both?

Do i need to reread it again to grasp the nuance i'd lost over the release? 🤔

But, too lazy tho 😂
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Oh so she doesn't look as we thought she did? Was impressed to see how 'well' she had age, in comparison his dad looked really old meanwhile she appeared the same to him.. until now that is. Beautiful chapter in it's own, unique way but beautiful!
Sep 14, 2022 6:41 PM

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I lost a little bit of faith in Oshimi after the timeskip because it felt like it came out of nowhere but Christ, the latest chapters are making me feel the same feeling of emptiness the first half of Aku no Hana had. I have no idea of where the story is heading and I'm afraid to find out. This whole chapter made me feel physically sick and there's only a handful of fictional works that have achieved that. The panelling and lack of dialogue for the most part just makes everything feel more visceral. Praying that Seiichi has a happy ending, because it's not looking good right now. Oshimi is such a good writer man.
Sep 14, 2022 6:45 PM

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Crazy chapter, it seems obvious now that we can't take everything we are seeing through Seiichi's eyes at face value. I wonder how much of his childhood went down differently from what we've seen. Now that the illusion of his mom's appearance has gone away I think the "true" memories of his childhood will come flooding back in the next few chapters.
Interesting point. It's possible that Seiichi was an unreliable narrator all along and pushed Shigeru off the cliff at the start, which may be why Shigeru came all the way to him in the snow all those chapters back. Any other writer would execute it in a corny manner, but I have faith that if it was planned all along by Oshimi he can pull it off.
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What an intense chapter. I was worried that he might explode and hurt badly, or even kill, his mother. Anger can lead to irrational acts that might not be possible to be stopped. Fortunately for Seiichi, he just walked off and parted with his mom. This time it was him who told her the very definitive "farewell".

He could see his mother as she was like. Not an indealized version of her he still had deep inside his heart. Around 60 years old adult woman looking accordingly to her age. I liked such symbolism. Hopefully, Seiichi will free himself from his mother for real this time. Although something is telling me that he won't.
May 4, 2023 4:47 PM

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Truly, why?

I recall a dialogue from Oedious in Colonus that went sort of "my only sin was being born"
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The Curious Case of Seiko Osabe.
lmao i laughed when i read this
Oct 18, 2024 4:32 PM

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OUR MAN SEI HAS FINALLY WOKE UP FOR THE 2TH (maybe 4th?) TIME!! its like someone said here, he finally sees her as she his! LET'S GOOOO
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Gah! Fuck off! I want answers! Better closure!? Her traumatic backstory!

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