| Ah, but was it Jesus himself that was influential? Or all those people with swords that followed? |
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| Jesus was always the popular guy because his fanbase can take a joke unlike Muhammad's fanbase. |
| Christianity and by extension Jesus is important to the west to the same degree Islam and Muhammad is to the nations that followed Islam and also to the nations it was spread to [such as those in SEA for example]. Although likewise Christianity played little role in shaping the Islamic world and same can be Islam played little role in shaping the western world [as in the way the nations governed/law systems and behaved internally. On the global stage and geopolitically of course the importance of which nations were Islamic or Christian played a pretty big role especially during the incursions of a few of the Caliphates and the situation with Al-Andalus, the eventual reconquista and all the crusades you name it, but internally obviously Christianity was the focus in Christian nations and not Islam and likewise for Islam being the focus in Islamic nations and not Christianity.]. Is there a scale of how much they played in their respective spheres of influence and how much of a scale the west has played on the global stage of human progress compared to other regions? Sure, by and large Christianity since the catalyst of the Edict of Milan and the over a millennium of history that has taken place since then has by and large been a constant presence across all periods from early middle ages, high middle ages, late middle ages to the renaissance and even the age of enlightenment up until modern day. But likewise Islam and the start Rashidun Caliphate and all that has followed up until present day has played a massive role on a plethora of civilizations across many centuries and was just as important if not more so in the civilizations that strictly followed Islam. So in my opinion as someone who's studied history and read both the Quran and multiple versions of the bible I think they're both extremely important and shouldn't really be compared side to side. |
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| Depends where you are in the world tbh. Comparing them's kinda pointless. |
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The-Nsider said: GwaziMagnum said: Ah, but was it Jesus himself that was influential? Or all those people with swords that followed? Muhammad was a conquering leader not Jesus. Jesus taught peace. I think my point was missed. I didn't say Jesus conquered. I asked was it Jesus that was influential or those with swords that followed. Ergo, followers who took it in the wrong direction. Not Jesus the wine-making man himself. |
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| I think it's safe to say that Islam built on Christianity's momentum. Who was the more powerful prophet would be a childish argument, but it is true that Islam swept the globe every bit as rapidly as Christianity did. I feel like early Muslims saw themselves as the true Christians. This is why they said 'kill the Christian." Because if he was even wise he'd have been a Muslim by then. Naturally Christian knights begged to differ. In today's day and age it doesn't matter. I actually see them both as the same God which I call Jah. |
xMizu_Jun 18, 2022 12:45 AM
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| The Christian philosophy has arguably spawned the most successful and powerful nations on the planet and according to Wikipedia its also ahead in number of adherents. Plus without the influence of Jesus, we wouldn't have cute catgirl nuns in anime. So yeah - I'll also have to give the victory to Jesus in the one. 😇👍  |
kushakashi said: bruh; hate to break it to ya but these "books" are all copies of one another. Yup, and Gil had it all way before that ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh  Funny how religious texts often talk about floods. Those first farmers really feared the damn thing, it seems. |
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| Well, Michael Hart said otherwise in his book, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History |
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| the important line "....Hart also believed that Muhammad played an unusually singular and personal role in the development of Islam. The development of Christianity, by contrast, has its influence split between Jesus's initial teachings and foundational work, and Paul the Apostle, who played a pivotal role in the early spread of Christianity as well as distinguishing its doctrines and practices from Judaism and the other Greek and Roman religions of the time period..." |
maulaaJun 18, 2022 6:02 AM
| "MY PROPHET IS BETTER THAN YOURS!" MY imaginary friend is the best. Checkmate believers! |
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| I don’t really feel like there is a point answering in this question because it depends what you mean and it’s basically impossible to know if you are including any broad meaning of influence including derivative thoughts from Christian and Islamic influence. |
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traed said: I don’t really feel like there is a point answering in this question because it depends what you mean and it’s basically impossible to know if you are including any broad meaning of influence including derivative thoughts from Christian and Islamic influence. I can agree that Jesus influenced NGE, and since NGE is the most influential anime of all times, I guess that means Jesus is more influential than Muhammad... |
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Deathko said: I can agree that Jesus influenced NGE, and since NGE is the most influential anime of all times, I guess that means Jesus is more influential than Muhammad... The creators of Evangelion with their own admission in an interview just used Christianity for symbolism without even knowing anything about Christianity, because Christianity at the 90s was and still is a famous religion. Unlike Islam, one could make the argument that the Japanese media, specifically anime knows nothing of Islam and/or never heard of Islam. That by itself not necessarily the case, because Japan back in the past, how long it's been closed from the outer world? According to Wiki, the number of Christians in Japan probably to this day is 1.5%. Let alone Japanese Muslims that you could easily count on fingers. |
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| Jesus definitely, even from a Muslim pov he is mentioned and praised a lot in our holy book, and he has even future roles to play, which I will not get into that much but most Muslim know. |
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| I think the correct answer is the mitochondria. It's the powerhouse of the cell, after all. Where would Jesus or Muhammed be without it? |
Sonally said: Jesus was always the popular guy because his fanbase can take a joke unlike Muhammad's fanbase. This is a pity that 19th century French society did not take very well Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du mal indeed. Your comparison is nothing short of dishonest. kushakashi said: bruh; hate to break it to ya but these "books" are all copies of one another. Jesus had to be mentioned in the Quran otherwise, no Christian (dominant religion at the time) would even consider conversion and as for which one i like more, i think Genghis khan was more successful at killing ppl who didn't obey him, so probably him (and he was 100% more real too) Ah yes, of course, an illiterate merchant randomly decided to write a pastiche of the Bible that he of course knew by heart. The story related to the angel Gabriel is more believable than yours. Moonspeak said: kushakashi said: bruh; hate to break it to ya but these "books" are all copies of one another. Yup, and Gil had it all way before that ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh Funny how religious texts often talk about floods. Those first farmers really feared the damn thing, it seems. Have you read the Epic of Gilgameš, the Bible and the Quran? I very doubt so, and the Epic is very different. If the flooding is mentioned in both texts, it only reinforces their respective historicity. |
Sonally said: Jesus was always the popular guy because his fanbase can take a joke unlike Muhammad's fanbase. Jesus fanbase can take a joke? Tell that to ex-subscribers of Netflix after that show, The First Temptation of Christ, but be honest with me. If I made a joke about someone you love, and that someone you love didn’t take the joke lightly, what would you do? You’re gonna give me the Will Smith Slap? |
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Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. |
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| @Meusnier Just a couple of pages here and there. Religious texts have me snoring pretty fast, forgive me. The Epic has like 5 different versions anyways, don't need to know what kind of snake stole the eternal life or anything. Even original myths about China mention big ass floods, it's not a big deal. It's like talking about TV news now, it's what farming people were thinking about and scared of, so of course there's some traces of that old mindset in sacred texts. |
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ArabianLuffy said: Sonally said: Jesus was always the popular guy because his fanbase can take a joke unlike Muhammad's fanbase. Jesus fanbase can take a joke? Tell that to ex-subscribers of Netflix after that show, The First Temptation of Christ, but be honest with me. If I made a joke about someone you love, and that someone you love didn’t take the joke lightly, what would you do? You’re gonna give me the Will Smith Slap? Nah, that was a thing of the past, Christianity is now very inclusive and hip with the LGBTQ crowd, and accepts gay marriage and drag queen pastors. So until Muslims do the same and open up my answer will stay with Jesus's fanbase. |
Sonally said: until Muslims do the same and open up Not gonna happen. ............... |
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Moonspeak said: @Meusnier Just a couple of pages here and there. Religious texts have me snoring pretty fast, forgive me. The Epic has like 5 different versions anyways, don't need to know what kind of snake stole the eternal life or anything. Even original myths about China mention big ass floods, it's not a big deal. It's like talking about TV news now, it's what farming people were thinking about and scared of, so of course there's some traces of that old mindset in sacred texts. This is quite sad in fact. I cannot believe that one can fall asleep reading Matthew or watching Pasolini's movie on this gospel. I am not asking you to cry at the end... but besides dry hearts, who can stay insensitive to injustice? Lexunius said: Jesus influenced 2 major religions (Christianity and Islam) while Muhammad influenced only 1 (Islam), so Jesus would come out on top here. That's not to say that Jesus is necessarily better than Muhammad though, or that Christianity is better than Islam. Thorgin said: the important line "....Hart also believed that Muhammad played an unusually singular and personal role in the development of Islam. The development of Christianity, by contrast, has its influence split between Jesus's initial teachings and foundational work, and Paul the Apostle, who played a pivotal role in the early spread of Christianity as well as distinguishing its doctrines and practices from Judaism and the other Greek and Roman religions of the time period..." Hmm, that interesting. Where did you get that quote from? The part on Saint Paul is pretty obvious once you read Romans and Corinthians. After all, he was the Apostle of pagans, so this is no surprise that his contributions were of lasting importance. He notably made clear that new Christians did not have to follow Jewish rites, and Jesus and his Apostles kept breaking the Shabbat rules. |
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