| i dont mind her at all. She's quirky, and while what little plot relevance she has is blink and you'll miss i shots of exposition Anno did say he planned to go into the time skip, decided against it, and is now thinking about it again. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that that is where there would've been focus on her(and Wille) Stygian_Prisoner said: This makes alot of sense considering what else he's said about what aspects of himself Shinji represents, plus the other internal analysises he's given in regards to Rebuild. I know he mentioned his wife or family somewhere else regarding rebuild too, but cant remember what he was referencing.I read somewhere that she's supposed to be an analogy(?) for Anno's wife. Someone who crashed into his life and changed it completely; the same way that Mari just drops in on the story out of nowhere in the 2nd Rebuild movie and things just inexplicably start taking a massive shift, despite her coming across as a character that belongs in a completely different (read: not depressing) mecha anime. Given the final scene of 3.0+1.0, I think that interpretation of her character makes sense. Say what you will about the guy, I question to call evangelion fiction with how much his personal issues affected what it became |
In the manga series Mari was added in this panel it was told that she was added later in the Rebuild series to create a story for her that would connect her from other characters like, Fuyutsuki The first is that Mari is a peer of Gendo, Yui and Fuyutsuki who stayed young for decades due to the LCL-based "curse of the EVA." She clearly knows a lot about LCL, identifying Shinji as a pilot via the smell of LCL, so she might have been the first to experiment. The second possibility is that Mari is a clone. -CBR since theres a scene in which Ikari and Shinji was talking about their pasts in the final moments of the 3.0+1.0 , u will see some moments were Mari was there so yeah she does have a connection but feel free to read the Mari theory at this point here https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/p3m3by/my_mari_theory_was_confirmed/ and besides, I am an evangelion fan, who cares?? |
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| Every fictional character in every anime should be treated as a normal character from the anime. As for what you get out of those characters as you're watching the anime, that's up to you. You can protect them, lewd them and it doesn't matter. |
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| Although I can see what you're trying to say, I disagree. As a fan of all iterations of Evangelion including the Rebuilds, I'm gonna give my interpretation of her character, to at least give a new perspective about Mari as a character. You can agree or disagree with me, but at least hear me out. So in my eyes, the purpose for Mari's existence is that she was made to "break" Evangelion. A major theme in 3.0+1.0 is not living in the past but moving forward into the future, thus breaking cycles and freeing one's self. Mari helps Shinji breaks the "Cycle of Eva" and so she is on the side of the train station with him, while everyone else (Asuka, Rei, and Kaworu) are on the other, opposite side. Shinji and Mari are going one way in life, while the others are going their own other way, as they're all growing up and no longer bound by fate. That's more or less the point to it -- that it is about moving on and not being stuck in the past. In a lot of ways, its message is similar to NGE, especially the TV Ending, where the show really takes a stand against living in the past and allowing one's negative past experiences to inform and define their present and future. I can definitely understand people questioning the execution of it, but I had no problems. |
DOSS216 said: Although I can see what you're trying to say, I disagree. As a fan of all iterations of Evangelion including the Rebuilds, I'm gonna give my interpretation of her character, to at least give a new perspective about Mari as a character. You can agree or disagree with me, but at least hear me out. So in my eyes, the purpose for Mari's existence is that she was made to "break" Evangelion. A major theme in 3.0+1.0 is not living in the past but moving forward into the future, thus breaking cycles and freeing one's self. Mari helps Shinji breaks the "Cycle of Eva" and so she is on the side of the train station with him, while everyone else (Asuka, Rei, and Kaworu) are on the other, opposite side. Shinji and Mari are going one way in life, while the others are going their own other way, as they're all growing up and no longer bound by fate. That's more or less the point to it -- that it is about moving on and not being stuck in the past. In a lot of ways, its message is similar to NGE, especially the TV Ending, where the show really takes a stand against living in the past and allowing one's negative past experiences to inform and define their present and future. I can definitely understand people questioning the execution of it, but I had no problems. thank you for your insight, it makes a bit of sense but then again, they barely interract in movie 4. |
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Catalano said: Fair enough that's what other Eva fans also say and its definitely valid criticism. But the way I see it, is that their lack of interaction are sort of like stepping stones because they don't really have a relationship as of yet before the ending of 3.0+1.0. So the ending is more like the official start of their relationship, similarly like how its a new beginning for their world and the other characters within it. So just my two cents, thanks for the discussionDOSS216 said: Although I can see what you're trying to say, I disagree. As a fan of all iterations of Evangelion including the Rebuilds, I'm gonna give my interpretation of her character, to at least give a new perspective about Mari as a character. You can agree or disagree with me, but at least hear me out. So in my eyes, the purpose for Mari's existence is that she was made to "break" Evangelion. A major theme in 3.0+1.0 is not living in the past but moving forward into the future, thus breaking cycles and freeing one's self. Mari helps Shinji breaks the "Cycle of Eva" and so she is on the side of the train station with him, while everyone else (Asuka, Rei, and Kaworu) are on the other, opposite side. Shinji and Mari are going one way in life, while the others are going their own other way, as they're all growing up and no longer bound by fate. That's more or less the point to it -- that it is about moving on and not being stuck in the past. In a lot of ways, its message is similar to NGE, especially the TV Ending, where the show really takes a stand against living in the past and allowing one's negative past experiences to inform and define their present and future. I can definitely understand people questioning the execution of it, but I had no problems. thank you for your insight, it makes a bit of sense but then again, they barely interract in movie 4. |
| If Anno created her to be simply coomer bait, he sure did a great job at it! She's smoking hot! |
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| *curls up in a ball and shivers while chanting* "Mari doesn't exist. Mari doesn't exist. Mari doesn't exist." |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
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KarinaraApr 3, 2022 8:46 AM
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Catalano said: She doesn't belong in the show, she is useless, any fan who saw the original NGE knows how horrible her character is. She's just an ecchi fanservice device for newer audiences, she can't compare with characters like Asuka or Misato or Shinji. Anno added her in so that fans could fap to her. Anyways, what I am trying to say is that characters like her should be treated like that, just an cute extra to keep us entertained because hot girls are hot. Do you know any characters like her? do you agree that we shouldn't even take them seriously and just ogle at them like we do when we see a random hot person in real life? How shamelessly they dress her in a schoolgirl when she isn't even attending one, they give her glasses because glasses girls are cute and they constantly apply gainaxing when she's in frame. No real NGE fan should have her in fav list. And if you still don't believe me, ask yourself: "What do I know about Mari except for her sexy design and lesbian tendencies towards Asuka?" I believe the intention of Mari was a wake-up call or f you to people exactly like you. Obsessed fans like you worship Asuka and Rei as prime waifu material and Anno feels deep regret that this happened. He famously said that Rei was not meant to be seen as a sex object, but then obsessed fans like the submissive emotionless girl trope. Asuka likewise is just a toxic bitch, tsundere in real life is not a healthy relationship. Shinji ending with either of them will be the death of him. Additionally he noted that most of the obsessed fans that were upset with the original series, idolized Asuka/Rei, and sent him death threats were hikkikomori. Mari is the outgoing girl (his real wife) that brought Shinji (an expy of himself) out of his depression and into a new world, a new beginning. Seems like you've learned nothing from Anno's final message. |
| Alternate title: People who cry about this are sad human beings and should learn to enjoy things Just... please... stop complaining. Negativity do be a bit negative. This is everywhere on the internet. You missed the point of this character, but it's always futile to try to explain. I respect opinions, but this has been a debate from the moment 2.0 was a thing, and the same exact argument comes up everytime. It's just everywhere to a point that it's annoying. Should people (like me) feel bad for liking her? |
miblanApr 20, 2022 1:07 AM
 This is a cartoon site, you clown. Elitism in general is cringe enough already. Let people enjoy stuff. Reminder to stay hydrated and read Umineko No Naku Koro Ni |
| Hello there, I posted here before on my interpretation of Mari's character, and now I changed my mind lol. If you're still interested in hearing my new interpretation and maybe again having another new perspective on 3.0+1.0's ending, then that would be great. If not though, then you can freely ignore this reply lol. So the way I interpret it now after rewatching/rereading the whole series (yes I love it that much lol), her character doesn't come across as a love interest for Shinji at all. She's not even based on Anno's wife, he himself, his wife, and the other staff members denied this. When asked where she was based, Kazuya Tsurumaki, one of the directors of the movie and Anno's protege. Said he developed her character by likening her to characters from Fooly Cooly (which is directed by Tsurumaki) hence Mari's bombastic personality. But anyways yeah she's not a love interest for Shinji, why? because she is more like the new Misato for Shinji. She is closely paralleled with Misato in all of the Rebuilds from her very introduction. Hence the "sexual stuff" and being older than Shinji. Here are just a few examples of the paralleled scenes: https://evangelion-complex.tumblr.com/post/89241604279/she-said-dont-make-others-suffer-for-your https://twitter.com/CccCcc6512/status/1432990625918427142/photo/1 https://twitter.com/CccCcc6512/status/1432990625918427142/photo/2 So now we got established. Let's get the other main point that I find overlaps with Mari's character and that's Shinji taking her hand and going to the adult world. I want to bring it up, cuz a lot of fans say its' Shinji running away from reality again by creating his new reality and leaving the old destroyed one behind. Which yes would contradict one of the messages of Evangelion. But that wasn't the case at all. Shinji never created any new reality or whatever, he said it himself: Evangelion 3.0+1.0 Shinji: I won't turn back time or revert the world. Shinji: I'll just rewrite it to a world where Evas don't need to exist. To a world where new people can live. Rei: A new creation of the world. Neon genesis. Shinji: Yeah. Also, Mari-san is picking me up after this, so don't worry. Rei: I see. Understood. For a more in depth explanation here's a link to an analysis, its pretty short anyway: https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/p624hu/a_different_perspective_on_the_final_scene/ But to summarize if you're not interested in seeing the link, I'll keep it short. Since there are indications that the train scene was still a place inside the anti-universe or whatever. Like Shinji still having the DSS Choker, parallel shots between Shini waking up, that same say Asuka did when she woke up inside the anti-universe, Asuka's pod landing in the village (like what's the reason for this scene if there's a new separate reality). Which brings me to my final point, and how all this connects to one of the messages of the movie and the series overall. Shinji rewriting the world is like him growing up and taking care of others, which is I feel like is a continuation of the OG series and EoE's message of taking care of yourself and not running from your problems. Now that Shinji has done that (aka the time loop, implying the OG series and EoE already happened when Shinji remembered his meeting with Kaworu on the beach that happened in the OG series but not the Rebuilds), now he takes care of others which is why he helped Gendo, Asuka, Kaworu, and Rei at the end. Him taking hold off Mari's hand, harkens back to Misato reaching out to Shinji when they first met, now Shinji all grown up (symbolically that is, because its still anti-universe magic) that takes hold of this like adult or parental figure, and he's the one that leads this time around to face the future, not only for himself but for others also. Which for me personally is a good message to send off the series with, and why I think the Rebuilds do have value as an addition to the Evangelion series. I mean why else would I bother to type all of this if I didn't give a shit and was only a fan for the waifus lol. But anyways, if you managed to read all of this, then kudos, thanks for hearing me out, if you still didn't change your mind, then fair enough I guess. Different strokes for different folks. I just wanted to give my insights on this series that means so much to me. EDIT: I made a few additions in the last paragraph btw about Shinji taking hold off Mari's hand |
DOSS300Jun 7, 2022 2:45 AM
DOSS216 said: Hello there, I posted here before on my interpretation of Mari's character, and now I changed my mind lol. If you're still interested in hearing my new interpretation and maybe again having another new perspective on 3.0+1.0's ending, then that would be great. If not though, then you can freely ignore this reply lol. So the way I interpret it now after rewatching/rereading the whole series (yes I love it that much lol), her character doesn't come across as a love interest for Shinji at all. She's not even based on Anno's wife, he himself, his wife, and the other staff members denied this. When asked where she was based, Kazuya Tsurumaki, one of the directors of the movie and Anno's protege. Said he developed her character by likening her to characters from Fooly Cooly (which is directed by Tsurumaki) hence Mari's bombastic personality. But anyways yeah she's not a love interest for Shinji, why? because she is more like the new Misato for Shinji. She is closely paralleled with Misato in all of the Rebuilds from her very introduction. Hence the "sexual stuff" and being older than Shinji. Here are just a few examples of the paralleled scenes: https://evangelion-complex.tumblr.com/post/89241604279/she-said-dont-make-others-suffer-for-your https://twitter.com/CccCcc6512/status/1432990625918427142/photo/1 https://twitter.com/CccCcc6512/status/1432990625918427142/photo/2 So now we got established. Let's get the other main point that I find overlaps with Mari's character and that's Shinji taking her hand and going to the adult world. I want to bring it up, cuz a lot of fans say its' Shinji running away from reality again by creating his new reality and leaving the old destroyed one behind. Which yes would contradict one of the messages of Evangelion. But that wasn't the case at all. Shinji never created any new reality or whatever, he said it himself: Evangelion 3.0+1.0 Shinji: I won't turn back time or revert the world. Shinji: I'll just rewrite it to a world where Evas don't need to exist. To a world where new people can live. Rei: A new creation of the world. Neon genesis. Shinji: Yeah. Also, Mari-san is picking me up after this, so don't worry. Rei: I see. Understood. For a more in depth explanation here's a link to an analysis, its pretty short anyway: https://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/p624hu/a_different_perspective_on_the_final_scene/ But to summarize if you're not interested in seeing the link, I'll keep it short. Since there are indications that the train scene was still a place inside the anti-universe or whatever. Like Shinji still having the DSS Choker, parallel shots between Shini waking up, that same say Asuka did when she woke up inside the anti-universe, Asuka's pod landing in the village (like what's the reason for this scene if there's a new separate reality). Which brings me to my final point, and how all this connects to one of the messages of the movie and the series overall. Shinji rewriting the world is like him growing up and taking care of others, which is I feel like a continuation of the OG series and EoE's message of taking care of yourself and not running from your problems. Now that Shinji has done that (aka the time loop, implying the OG series and EoE already happened when Shinji remembered his meeting with Kaworu on the beach that happened in the OG series but not the Rebuilds), now he takes care of others which is why he helped Gendo, Asuka, Kaworu, and Rei at the end. Him taking hold off Mari's hand, harkens back to Misato reaching out to Shinji when they first met, now Shinji all grown up (symbolically that is, because its still anti-universe magic) that takes hold of this like adult or parental figure, and he's the one that leads this time around to face the future, not only for himself but for others also. Which for me personally is a good message to send off the series with, and why I think the Rebuilds do have value as an addition to the Evangelion series. I mean why else would I bother to type all of this if I didn't give a shit and was only a fan for the waifus lol. But anyways, if you managed to read all of this, then kudos, thanks for hearing me out, if you still didn't change your mind, then fair enough I guess. Different strokes for different folks. I just wanted to give my insights on this series that means so much to me. EDIT: I made a few additions in the last paragraph btw about Shinji taking hold off Mari's hand I read all, it was interesting but I disagree with the final scene interpretation. All anime and EoE, the train represented their minds so to say, it the staff wanted to symbolize their escaping from samsara they should have done it like in RahXephon, as in Shinji and pals existing directly from the train. In that scene, they were out and they didn't even knew each other, Shinji was waiting for Mari and that means it was a reality were Evas and stuff didn't exist so if Evas don't exist how come Mari exist when movie 4 tells us about her weird existence? |
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Catalano said: I read all, it was interesting but I disagree with the final scene interpretation. All anime and EoE, the train represented their minds so to say, it the staff wanted to symbolize their escaping from samsara they should have done it like in RahXephon, as in Shinji and pals existing directly from the train. In that scene, they were out and they didn't even knew each other, Shinji was waiting for Mari and that means it was a reality were Evas and stuff didn't exist so if Evas don't exist how come Mari exist when movie 4 tells us about her weird existence? Sorry but I haven't RahXephon so I can't give you an accurate answer, but I feel like I know what you're trying to imply. To quote the analysis I linked: Shinji seeing himself and everyone as adults is more minus universe magic, but it represents their mental maturation & a future that he couldn’t imagine before. When he says “Let’s go” to Mari that’s a continuation of the beach scene. When they take each other’s hands and run they’re headed towards the outside world. And I agree with, since the ending when the film fades into reality is from my perspective signifying that is when Shinji is and Mari are actually going out to the real world, to meet the real Asuka, Rei, and Kaworu. And as I said in the movie, Shinji never said he would revert time so what has happened, already happened like Mari's existence. The vanishing of the Evas in that point in time, has no bearing to her existence. Also to add more evidence that Shinji is still in the anti-universe and is only getting out, here's a pretty clear parallel. Asuka just waking up in the Anti-Universe, before getting ejected out: https://preview.redd.it/wpmjp4dir6i71.png?width=881&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef93942f52425156f47eeecb293a5c05a9ef76e0 Shinji waking up after Mari arrives in the Anti-Universe: https://preview.redd.it/r5ml9wbyr6i71.png?width=874&format=png&auto=webp&s=6abf6ede2d8d3b68ba72aecc3d9a12af26785c9e Edit: I linked the pics instead, since there was a problem uploading them |
DOSS300Jun 7, 2022 3:10 AM
DOSS216 said: Catalano said: I read all, it was interesting but I disagree with the final scene interpretation. All anime and EoE, the train represented their minds so to say, it the staff wanted to symbolize their escaping from samsara they should have done it like in RahXephon, as in Shinji and pals existing directly from the train. In that scene, they were out and they didn't even knew each other, Shinji was waiting for Mari and that means it was a reality were Evas and stuff didn't exist so if Evas don't exist how come Mari exist when movie 4 tells us about her weird existence? Sorry but I haven't RahXephon so I can't give you an accurate answer, but I feel like I know what you're trying to imply. To quote the analysis I linked: Shinji seeing himself and everyone as adults is more minus universe magic, but it represents their mental maturation & a future that he couldn’t imagine before. When he says “Let’s go” to Mari that’s a continuation of the beach scene. When they take each other’s hands and run they’re headed towards the outside world. And I agree with, since the ending when the film fades into reality is from my perspective signifying that is when Shinji is and Mari are actually going out to the real world, to meet the real Asuka, Rei, and Kaworu. And as I said in the movie, Shinji never said he would revert time so what has happened, already happened like Mari's existence. The vanishing of the Eva's has no bearing to her existence. Also to add more evidence that Shinji is still in the anti-universe and is only getting out, here's a pretty clear parallel. Asuka just waking up in the Anti-Universe, before getting ejected out: https://preview.redd.it/wpmjp4dir6i71.png?width=881&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef93942f52425156f47eeecb293a5c05a9ef76e0 Shinji waking up after Mari arrives in the Anti-Universe: https://preview.redd.it/r5ml9wbyr6i71.png?width=874&format=png&auto=webp&s=6abf6ede2d8d3b68ba72aecc3d9a12af26785c9e Edit: I linked the pics instead, since there was a problem uploading them ok, quoted to embed the images so I kinda get it more clearly your ideas now, you're saying it's a direct continuation so Mari's existence is legit, well, could work but why is Shinji older now in that particular scene? I still think there are not enough proof for that, I think that this world was simply recreated by Shinji like in the manga (if you read it, sorry I didn't check your profile). What I see in that scene is Shinji in this new real but recreated world, after some years and no memories of EoE, the series and the movies waiting for Mari. |
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Catalano said: ok, quoted to embed the images so I kinda get it more clearly your ideas now, you're saying it's a direct continuation so Mari's existence is legit, well, could work but why is Shinji older now in that particular scene? I still think there are not enough proof for that, I think that this world was simply recreated by Shinji like in the manga (if you read it, sorry I didn't check your profile). What I see in that scene is Shinji in this new real but recreated world, after some years and no memories of EoE, the series and the movies waiting for Mari. Yeahh I read it, I thought it was great, I mentioned it that I rewatched and reread the whole series recently lol, hence the new interpretations. But anyways, as I said Shinji being an adult is just symbolism for him growing up. The anti-universe as we saw from Shinji's fight with Gendo and conversation with him, the anti-universe can show you alternate scenarios, aka young Gendo and young Shinji, at the train station I might add. And other things won't just add up if it's a time skip. Like if we assume a time skip, why would Shinji keep wearing the DSS choker for at least six more years? And as you mentioned, why would Shinji say he was waiting for Mari if it was years later. |
Catalano said: ''How shamelessly they dress her in a schoolgirl when she isn't even attending one, they give her glasses because glasses girls are cute and they constantly apply gainaxing when she's in frame.'' She doesn't belong in the show, she is useless, any fan who saw the original NGE knows how horrible her character is. She's just an ecchi fanservice device for newer audiences, she can't compare with characters like Asuka or Misato or Shinji. Anno added her in so that fans could fap to her. Anyways, what I am trying to say is that characters like her should be treated like that, just an cute extra to keep us entertained because hot girls are hot. Do you know any characters like her? do you agree that we shouldn't even take them seriously and just ogle at them like we do when we see a random hot person in real life? How shamelessly they dress her in a schoolgirl when she isn't even attending one, they give her glasses because glasses girls are cute and they constantly apply gainaxing when she's in frame. No real NGE fan should have her in fav list. And if you still don't believe me, ask yourself: "What do I know about Mari except for her sexy design and lesbian tendencies towards Asuka?" yes yes. fanservice lol, i agree though sometimes it just gets outta hand and happens for no good reason, just cause i guess. (but like oh really tho brouu really, lol sometimes with fanservice) mari is just mari, she just comes in and is a breath of fresh air compared to the others, shes not really depressed, dosent have much trauma or issues with herself in general like the other eva pilots, she genuenly is portaryed as just bieng happy, and the others in contrast struggle with it. it kind of dosent fit the tone of evangelion, yes. but at least you have a char thats just happy i guess. (and its true she dsoent really have complexity like the others or in the og, but does every char need to tho, theirs outta be someone thats just happy. asuka alreday has more fanserivce than mari though. the other guy with the otaku stuff, well no, maybe you can see mari that way, like you do you, but the last one has them outside and it ends with the real world, shows the real studio? so ofc its like yeah, its just a show. anno wasnt depressed because of otakus, maybe he was depressed cause of otaku tendencies in himself, put it that way, but we dont really know. we'd have to ask him |
evangelionfanJun 11, 2022 9:20 AM
Catalano said: do they really though?? i mean shes she has masculine energy, shes fighting, then they really just... i dunno, how? its not ecchi in the slightest, by ecchi standards. and ofc he has a scene were he critizises this stuff or fanservice https://youtu.be/rEjGoSuTxoA in some way atleast (+ if thats what some do, then they either deppressed af, or just not getting evangelion, its not supposed to be ecchi or fanservice, its about depression) how anyone can do this when they watch evangelion is beyond meso you're telling me that an entire fanbase is masturbaring to an idealized version of anno's wife? whom he put her intentionally in the movies. perfection |
evangelionfanJun 11, 2022 9:04 AM
Tap_Dancin_Kaiju said: it is fiction, obviously, but it is/was a personal anime, thats what he's pretty much stated, anno had really bad depression/problems with himself pretty much. thats why eva is still talked about to this day i'd reckoni dont mind her at all. She's quirky, and while what little plot relevance she has is blink and you'll miss i shots of exposition Anno did say he planned to go into the time skip, decided against it, and is now thinking about it again. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that that is where there would've been focus on her(and Wille) Stygian_Prisoner said: This makes alot of sense considering what else he's said about what aspects of himself Shinji represents, plus the other internal analysises he's given in regards to Rebuild. I know he mentioned his wife or family somewhere else regarding rebuild too, but cant remember what he was referencing.I read somewhere that she's supposed to be an analogy(?) for Anno's wife. Someone who crashed into his life and changed it completely; the same way that Mari just drops in on the story out of nowhere in the 2nd Rebuild movie and things just inexplicably start taking a massive shift, despite her coming across as a character that belongs in a completely different (read: not depressing) mecha anime. Given the final scene of 3.0+1.0, I think that interpretation of her character makes sense. Say what you will about the guy, I question to call evangelion fiction with how much his personal issues affected what it became |
| You act like Asuka and Rei weren't just added so fans could fap to them. Also, who the fuck is Mari? |
| Rei and Asuka were just as sexualised if not more than Mari in the rebuilds. Even if they weren't, they definitely were in the original series and EoE so I'm really confused why so many people are angry about it specifically happening to Mari |
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| "Mari the poochie of Evangelion." "The game master 's girlfriend's play character." |
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| She isn't mentally ill or an incest proxy, so she's better by default. |
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