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Do Villains really need to have a sad backstory in order to make them interesting?

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May 9, 2022 2:19 PM
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I don't think it is the case tbh. There can be villains who can be interesting even without a sad backstory. Villains like Light Yagami. Isabella from Promised neverland was already interesting even before a backstory came about her.
As long as the execution is great, I don't think a sad backstory is needed to make a villain interesting.

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May 9, 2022 2:26 PM
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No, of course not.
I actually prefer them to not to.
May 9, 2022 2:31 PM
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absolutely not. the best villains are the ones who are evil for the hell of it
May 9, 2022 2:34 PM
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A character doesn't even need a backstory to be entertaining
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May 9, 2022 2:36 PM
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As long as they're entertaining to watch I'm fine with any kind of villain
May 9, 2022 2:43 PM
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No, they just need to be well-written and serve the narrative in some way, either thematically or adding more to the MC's personality/development.
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May 9, 2022 2:45 PM
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Nah, it's the other way around, a sad backstory is just a mandatory accessory at this point, that ONLY matters, if the character is already interesting.
May 9, 2022 2:47 PM
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Yes, if I can't cry and make twitter threads analyzing how tragic a villain is then what is the point?



May 9, 2022 2:48 PM
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It doesn't really matter to me whether or not a character has a sad backstory. Sometimes it can give depth to them.
May 9, 2022 2:52 PM
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Monokuma doesn't have a sad backstory yet everyone loves him.

May 9, 2022 2:57 PM

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Nope. Zodd has no backstory but got me really invested in my first viewing of Berserk from the few episodes he was in. Mystique can be just as useful as a backstory.
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May 9, 2022 3:14 PM
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Backstory is just a form of character development. If the villain has development during the story like Light backstory isn't needed but on the other had most top tier Villains like Griffith, Askeladd, Johan Libert or Char all have great backstories.

Evil for the sake of being evil villains fail to make you think which is something I value in a character
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May 9, 2022 3:18 PM
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I don't think you have to have a sad back story but in my opinion there has to be a reason for you to be evil. You can't just be evil for the sake of being evil. Even though I find Frieza to be a great villian but I feel like to be the absolute best villain I feel like you need a reason.
May 9, 2022 3:57 PM

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Hunter x Hunter villains are some of my favorite villains of all time (except the Bomber) and practically none of them have sad backstories. Hisoka and the Phantom Troupe are really entertaining, to the point I'm content to just watch them and their shenanigans without wondering about their backstories. Meruem is an insanely well-written character with no backstory at all and I was thoroughly invested in his story. That being said, I always love a good villain backstory as long as it's well-integrated. But it's definitely not necessary in order to make an interesting villain.
May 9, 2022 4:25 PM

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No, as long as they are interesting or entertaining to watch.
May 9, 2022 4:27 PM

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A backstory can add a lot to a villain but they definitely do not need a backstory to make them an interesting antagonist.
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May 9, 2022 4:36 PM

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It's not really about making them interesting, it's about making you sympathetic towards them.
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May 9, 2022 5:18 PM

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No, if anything it has gotten boring at this point with every single antagonist nowadays having some sort of tragic backstory.

May 9, 2022 6:47 PM
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With or without a backstory, Villains are usually the most awesome characters in animes, period. Most protagonists/heroes only talk about love, friendship, bonds and all that crap. Planning to conquer the world sounds waaay more fun to me! 😆😆
May 9, 2022 7:52 PM

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Evidently no. The same goes for every other character.

But that's one of the easiest methods to build a character so you can see how overused it is in anime. The lazy usage of it makes anime seems like a childish joke.
May 9, 2022 8:14 PM

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A sad backstory, no. A good backstory, yes.
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May 9, 2022 9:07 PM

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Not at all, especially if it seems forced or just off-putting in general. Like you stated, execution is key, so as long as it makes them a more interesting/compelling character, it's fine if it isn't sad or whatnot.
May 10, 2022 12:50 AM
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No, not really, and I think in a lot of cases, trying to make the antagonist too sympathetic undermines the story. Giving them just, you know, a normal backstory is better. Or a backstory that makes them look like even more of a shitheel. Like a certain character from Golden Kamuy whose family history makes you go "oh no he's a fucking psychopath, he's not flat affect because he's chill but because he feels next to nothing". A backstory is best when it contextualizes why someone acts a certain way, or wants something, or hates/is angry at someone else. It's more exciting than people just saying it in exposition.

Maybe I just have a bias against antagonists who go bad because something sad happened to them. In my opinion most people who do evil don't have a tragic backstory to explain it. Media narratives focus on those who do, but a lot of murderers and abusers and even people who committed genocide came out of unexceptional or relatively healthy environments, and made active choices to get involved in bad things. Furthermore, I DON'T feel sympathetic when a villain reveals their tragic loss as the reason for being a shitty asshole to everyone. I don't respect people whose response to suffering is to inflict it on others. I don't accept that a decent person can respond to suffering that way - I think if that is how you respond, you were always one bad day away from becoming a psycho.


May 10, 2022 1:12 AM

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You're confusing the interestingness of the villain with the so-called "Freudian excuse" where the villain is given a traumatic backstory as an explanation for his motivation.
May 10, 2022 1:21 AM

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No, but it's always nice to have different personalities. Some are bad because they are just evil, others are bad because of a sad backstory. I don't want to see always the same kind of villain (same with protagonist/heroes).
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May 10, 2022 1:24 AM

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depends on how sad the villain's backstory is.
May 10, 2022 1:29 AM

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I don’t know. Does Frieza need? What do you think?
May 10, 2022 1:37 AM
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No, villains don't need to have sad backstories to be good imo. Take Negan from The Walking Dead, he's already intresting before his backstory that are shown 3 seasons after his introduction.

Thought, most villains who are evil for the sake of it are rarely executed well, so having a sad backstory is definitely a safer way for writer to make a character intresting
May 10, 2022 1:40 AM
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Obviously not. What matters most is how well they're characterised and serve their narrative role. More often than not, focusing too much on giving them a sad backstory can backfire through the worst case scenario being that they'll be a forced way to garner sympathy despite it not making up or rationalising the crimes they've committed, particularly if being thrown in towards the end of their role in the plot (Kabuto from Naruto is a prime example of how to do this poorly).
Most of the best villains in the medium do happen to be ones with sad or troubled backstories such as Griffith, Askeladd or Char Aznable. The difference between them and the poor examples of sad backstory villains though is their backstory served more purpose in the narrative than sympathy-bait and was woven in with excellent characterisation.
As an example of a good villain without such a backstory, rake Kira Yoshikage from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Few would say what background he has was a sad one and fewer would say his characterisation and narrative/thematic role isn't very well realised.
May 10, 2022 10:30 PM
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Dio has nothing sad about him but I still found him to be very enjoyable




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May 10, 2022 11:35 PM
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nope, every demon from Frieren is a well written villain without the sad story and something cute as is common in other fantasy manga, like a wounded demon who acts like a good girl and was different from other demons so she was adopted by the village chief only to eat her adoptive father when she recovered then she burned the whole village.
May 10, 2022 11:40 PM
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Maybe what you meant was "Do Villains need a sad backstory for us to empathize with?"
May 11, 2022 1:22 AM

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They dont need a backstory, but they need a backround/motivation why they do the things they do. This can be a sad reason, but dont has to. Best example: Light Yagami. No sad backstory but an understandable motivation.
May 11, 2022 1:27 AM

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Not always. They simply need to have charisma and charm to interest us.
May 11, 2022 7:36 AM
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No, i find it cringy when the author tries to force u to sympathize with the villian just by slapping a generic sad backstory in your face *cough* demon slayer *cough* , especially when that backstory does not reflect on the character in future,i mentioned demon slayer because to me it uses the sad villian backstory the worst way possible, for the sad backstory to work it needs to make sense and contribute to the current character behaviour , not be completely separated from it
May 11, 2022 8:04 AM

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No, I just need *something* to latch onto. Something that makes me feel a certain way towards them. Traits that distinguish them and make them feel believable and real.
May 11, 2022 8:28 AM

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A backstory always adds to a character regardless of whether it's sad or not, watching villains that are bad for the sake of being bad are boring to watch.
May 11, 2022 9:26 AM
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Nope, sad and tragic backstory only has a sole purpose to make us viewers relate and feel sympathy. In my opinion, an interesting villain is someone who have a clear motivation, an unique personality and manner. They also need to be a worthy opponent and pose some threats towards the protagonists. Some example I could think of: Bondrewd, Makishima Shougo, Kira Yoshikage.
May 11, 2022 9:32 AM
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no but it's definetly the easiest way to make someone seem evil, the best written villains are the ones you don't know the backstory of, though
May 11, 2022 10:01 PM

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Good villains make the good guys better. I'm okay with either villains being evil because evil is cool or because of reasons (so long as they are explained).

I hate it when they shoehorn in a tragic backstory a second before the villain dies. It feels cheap.

May 12, 2022 1:08 AM
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Usually but not always. A case where the villain doesn't need a backstory is if the villain is a Joker-esque type character. A good example is Satou in the anime Ajin. He doesn't really have a backstory but his pure charisma and psychotic anarchistic outlook made him extremely engaging. He's like a cross between Magneto and the Joker and makes the anime 100%.

Basically a villain with charisma and compelling principles doesn't need a backstory. An example in video games is Senator Armstrong. He doesn't need a real backstory because he's charismatic and his principles are compelling.
May 12, 2022 2:06 AM

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as long as they have an interesting personality i think it should be enough. backstory doesn't matter much
May 12, 2022 2:21 AM

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Well, in my case, most of interesting villains are the one with sad backstories.
But I really want to know a funny backstory one. Any recommendation?
May 12, 2022 2:30 AM

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No, some villains can be interesting by engaging them with sad stories from side characters, there are also independent villains, so the sad background of a villain can be interesting or not.
May 12, 2022 2:31 AM

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no and i wish there were more villains that didn't have a sad backstory. more specifically a sad AND cliche backstory
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May 12, 2022 2:31 AM
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Not at all. Arguably some of the best villains are those with no sad backstories, sometimes a psychopath is a lot more fun to watch than an emo kid with mommy issues.
May 12, 2022 5:54 AM

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No, they just need motives that make sense instead of just being evil to be evil.
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Good villains don't have to be driven by noble intentions or a sad backstory, they just have to be fun to watch and a good opposition to the heroes.
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May 12, 2022 6:05 AM

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Not really tbh, I usually hate characters after knowing their backstory because they're either too-dramatic, doesn't make sense or simply predictable.
May 12, 2022 10:51 AM

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A backstory is nice but it doesn't need to be sad

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