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Apr 4, 2022 3:11 AM

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RavenWolf1 said:

No. If you want to kill someone you lure him to some abandoned place like that church probably was. No witnesses no evidence. Also it was remote place in case battle occurred so no civilian casualties. She probably was also interested about his power. What if you tried to kill him and failed because he had some odd power which would have protected him? That would have been disaster and in middle of the city could have spiraled out of control. She used her charms to get info out of him. She got to know his power. Power which sure was dangerous but that power couldn't protect him from surprise attack. Generally professionals don't attack anyone without plan and proper information of whole picture. You want to know your enemy before you strike.


pretty much agreed with this. She did the more professional way of assassination. Know target first before she try to kill him. Not knowing first what kind of power he has is dangerous. For example, if the power turned to be an automatic-shielding technique that protects from physical attacks, then the surprise attack stab won't do a thing.
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a few more thoughts on the episode.

nice to see that Menou seems to have given generic isekai boy a proper burial. He did nothing wrong.
Apr 4, 2022 3:50 AM

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I don't know who this story is for. A fantasy adventure isekai without ANY male characters? Do girls actually want stuff like this, or is this for bati boys? The lesbian groping scene right after she cheap shot murders a guy by brutally stabbing him in the head after earning his trust was both hilarious and off-putting. It was a like a radfem comedy skit or something.

I'll watch 1-2 more episodes, but this is looking like an easy 4/10 drop.
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Apr 4, 2022 4:12 AM

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Pretty weak, all things considered.

Whilst the killing of generic Isekai protagonists is somewhat appealing, it's more cathartic rather than interesting. It seems to have played its entire part just in this first epiosde, I doubt it'll even come up again in the same fashion. Mili's OP was good though, as usual.

It gets another episode. If any kind of plot actually happens, I'll stick for longer, else it's right out.
Well I for one already loved Lain.
Apr 4, 2022 5:30 AM

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Tardman said:
I don't know who this story is for. A fantasy adventure isekai without ANY male characters? Do girls actually want stuff like this, or is this for bati boys?
It is for people who like anime with all-female cast and yuri fans. And yes, we girls do want stuff like this, I am a fan of the original light novel series and I have been very hyped for this anime adaptation. The Executioner and Her Way of Life is an ongoing isekai yuri light novel series, but for some reason MAL hasn't included yuri tag in the genre section for it.

Fantasy adventure isekai doesn't require the MC to be male in order to be good (nor any other story), protagonist's gender should not matter nor does it make any story automatically good or bad. I think the the character's gender being different from the viewer's should not affect the viewer's ability to relate to the character. I find plenty of male characters reletable despite being a woman.
Apr 4, 2022 7:35 AM

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It doesn't matter if the premise is original, having a female lead makes it trash
Rule number in the fiction 1 you can't trust a bunch of hysterical girl teenagers to save the world always a bad idea for example Madoka.



Jokes aside: there's nothing wrong with "self inserting" into male characters, but sometimes it can be nice take a step outside that bubble. If women and girls can enjoy stories about men, then surely the inverse of this is possible.
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Apr 4, 2022 3:34 PM

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suzulovesmanga said:
Tardman said:
I don't know who this story is for. A fantasy adventure isekai without ANY male characters? Do girls actually want stuff like this, or is this for bati boys?
It is for people who like anime with all-female cast and yuri fans. And yes, we girls do want stuff like this, I am a fan of the original light novel series and I have been very hyped for this anime adaptation. The Executioner and Her Way of Life is an ongoing isekai yuri light novel series, but for some reason MAL hasn't included yuri tag in the genre section for it.

Fantasy adventure isekai doesn't require the MC to be male in order to be good (nor any other story), protagonist's gender should not matter nor does it make any story automatically good or bad. I think the the character's gender being different from the viewer's should not affect the viewer's ability to relate to the character. I find plenty of male characters reletable despite being a woman.


Yeah, normally I wouldn't watch anything tagged with Yuri/Shojo/Yaoi/Josei/etc but I feel like I got catfished on this one. I even think the synopsis used to say: "it's impossible to kill this boy!", so yeah, definitely got catfished.

I can watch anime with only female main characters just fine like Railgun or Mieruko-chan, but there's just something off with this one. Brutally murdering an innocent guy, then transitioning to a lesbian comedy grope scene 1-2 minutes later is all sorts of off-putting. Like I said, it's like a radfem comedy skit "Brutally murder innocent boy after using feminine wiles to earn his trust, then have a lesbian grope session next to his corpse"
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Everyone keeps using the term self insert like come on I didn't like scene because i couldn't insert my self quite the opposite if they had just killed the dude wouldn't have a problem but nah she gotta drag him through the ringer moving nice and all with the dude. Since she took so long to kill him I thought he would end up being like her aide or something like what would happen with immortal girl. I didn't watch any promo btw secondly people keep saying she wanted to know his powers but that's bs given what she'll do with the immortal girl and what flare did. The author just being pretentious. Talentless nana on the other hand was great pained me a little the guy died even thought he'd reappear and it made sense Nana didn't just kill him outright but not here i might watch episode 2 if that fails am done.


I don't know if you even watched the anime when you are comparing all three completely different situations. When Flare killed the isekaied girl, the damage is already done. The city is already destroyed. In Akari's case, it's inside a basically Criminal house. Not on the public area where she initially met that boy was.


good point or the flare situation but all i saw was someone who couldn't control their powers as for the dude no one was around when she met him so.. oh yes immortal girl oh so no problems if your enemy knows your here since it's private property? thirdly i call it bad writing and bad pacing for the anime nobody here is an idiot we know why the author decided to put a male isekai guy and then kill him off i mean the guy went from nice to am gonna kill people i hate like for real? my crux is i don't like the way they killed him of the pacing was bad there was no hints he was evil until before he die got more to say but i'll end it here.
Apr 4, 2022 3:42 PM

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LeeTailor said:
It doesn't matter if the premise is original, having a female lead makes it trash
Rule number in the fiction 1 you can't trust a bunch of hysterical girl teenagers to save the world always a bad idea for example Madoka.



Jokes aside: there's nothing wrong with "self inserting" into male characters, but sometimes it can be nice take a step outside that bubble. If women and girls can enjoy stories about men, then surely the inverse of this is possible.


The message I got after she brutally murdered the presumptive male kid MC after earning his trust with her feminine wiles, then had a lesbian grope session next to his corpse, is that men aren't exactly welcome lol. I know nothing beyond the first episode, but I can already bet that most or all of the bad guys are men.
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Apr 4, 2022 4:03 PM
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RavenWolf1 said:

No. If you want to kill someone you lure him to some abandoned place like that church probably was. No witnesses no evidence. Also it was remote place in case battle occurred so no civilian casualties. She probably was also interested about his power. What if you tried to kill him and failed because he had some odd power which would have protected him? That would have been disaster and in middle of the city could have spiraled out of control. She used her charms to get info out of him. She got to know his power. Power which sure was dangerous but that power couldn't protect him from surprise attack. Generally professionals don't attack anyone without plan and proper information of whole picture. You want to know your enemy before you strike.


pretty much agreed with this. She did the more professional way of assassination. Know target first before she try to kill him. Not knowing first what kind of power he has is dangerous. For example, if the power turned to be an automatic-shielding technique that protects from physical attacks, then the surprise attack stab won't do a thing.
________

a few more thoughts on the episode.

nice to see that Menou seems to have given generic isekai boy a proper burial. He did nothing wrong.


From what we saw you can't activate the power until you say the magic words she taught him and create a clear image of the power in your head. She could have killed him under the bridge where there was no one without even getting close to him using the summoned church she uses later in the show. During this time she even had the benefit of him not really paying attention since he was mopping around about not having any power.

I think Kaguya-Sama1998 had the best explination in the lines that were left out that seemed to indicate she wouldn't have killed him if he truely had no power.
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I just watched it and I think I know why people like it so much. Same reason as Highschool DxD boobs=good. She killed innocent guy that was unwillingly summoned to another world and people are ok with that and why? Well yuri and boobs that's all.
Apr 4, 2022 5:27 PM
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The premise “church bad” is not unique in isekai. Like, at all.
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There’s not going to be any yuri this season, the series is very slow paced in that regard.
Apr 4, 2022 6:42 PM
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ngl i wasn't very impressed. for a show that's (apparently? i can't totally tell) trying to be an anti-isekai isekai show, it uses a lot of the tropes that your average modern isekai likes to engage in without really setting itself apart all that much, aside from the obvious thing. and even then, talentless nana wasn't that long ago and did that thing more efficiently imo
Apr 4, 2022 7:59 PM

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While the fight animation was rather whelming, that spell where they summon a church bell is the sickest thing ever.

Seen quite a few arguments about the fake-out protag, but I think they did it rather well. He got enough development to make you kinda feel for him when the MC took him out, but all things considered the show makes you understand why he might have had to go. The powers in the world seem to be highly volatile and sometimes corruptive towards their user, so even letting him live freely without teaching him magic had the potential of injuring people once he died naturally. It sets up enough of a conundrum that I'm interested in learning more about the world and how the isekai kids interact with it. Are people with less harmful powers allowed to stay? Even if someone had a benevolent power would they still be put down? It seemed like the biggest trigger for the MC killing Null-kun was his scheming to use his powers on his enemies- would things have gone different if he instead offered to use them in a helpful way or simply not at all? Guess I'll have to wait and find out.

Genuine question for those who have read the source material, when they die in the isekai world, are they sent back to the real world or are they Super Dead For Good?
Apr 4, 2022 8:53 PM

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This anime gonna be fire, I love shows with a twist and the ending damn. i see gold
Apr 4, 2022 9:29 PM

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Tardman said:
I even think the synopsis used to say: "it's impossible to kill this boy!", so yeah, definitely got catfished.
I don't recall there being anything like that in the synopsis?

Tardman said:
I can watch anime with only female main characters just fine like Railgun or Mieruko-chan, but there's just something off with this one. Brutally murdering an innocent guy, then transitioning to a lesbian comedy grope scene 1-2 minutes later is all sorts of off-putting. Like I said, it's like a radfem comedy skit "Brutally murder innocent boy after using feminine wiles to earn his trust, then have a lesbian grope session next to his corpse"
I find it interesting that so many people find the "killing off the fake MC-kun" in Shokei Shoujo problematic but are fine with anime like Mushoku Tensei and Redo of Healer even though those have even more problematic content. What is the difference between Momo groping Menou and Rudeus groping Eris? To those who don't know: Rudeus is an adult man in a child's body groping an underage girl. I don't like groping either but I find it interesting that in this anime it seen as bothering but in Mushoku Tensei it is fine?

There is so much more off-putting, upsetting and hardcore stuff in Berserk (don't get me wrong, I love Berserk, I am just stating a fact it has a lot of things that can upset/off-put the viewer/reader), Goblin Slayer and Redo of Healer. Why is there such a fuss about the fake MC-kun getting murdered? It was just to subvert the audiences' expectations and play with tropes since nowadays most of isekai protagonists are like him. That's all, there's nothing else to it, it is not that deep. Seriously.

Tardman said:
The message I got after she brutally murdered the presumptive male kid MC after earning his trust with her feminine wiles, then had a lesbian grope session next to his corpse, is that men aren't exactly welcome lol
Would you claim that the message from Redo of Healer and Shield Hero is that they justify the enslavement and exploitation of women at the hands of male characters, often the heroes, under the guise of "well it's dark fiction" when it's just misogynist vitriol? Or what would you response to a person who claimed that was the message they got from those two shows? You do realize that claiming Shokei Shoujo hates and that men aren't welcome is same as saying that Redo of Healer hates women and thinks that they should get raped and they ask for it? Since most of the time it is women being raped and that one dude even gets turned into a girl just to get gangraped. By the same logic Redo of Healer must hate lesbians too since the only lesbian character in the story is a serial rapist and she even has the "man-hating" lesbian trope attached to her.

Tardman said:
I know nothing beyond the first episode, but I can already bet that most or all of the bad guys are men.
Spoilers but there is a betrayer among the good guys and she is a woman.
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Apr 4, 2022 10:19 PM

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My problem wasn't with the murder, or the fanservice. It was having a lesbian grope session immediately after the murder, in the same room as the kid they just murdered lol.

Redo of Healer is basically a porn anime, but if you want to look at it deeper than that at least the author made the MC go through a lot of suffering to justify his warped personality and actions, as well as making the targets of his revenge genuinely horrible people. The guy in Shield Hero didn't even do anything bad lol, and he spared the life of the awful woman that tried to ruin him. Mushoku Tensei is pretty greasy not gonna lie, but I'd say it's w/e given the setting where you're basically considered an adult in your early teens and they did a decent job balancing the fanservice with the more serious stuff, as well as not making Rudeus look too bad while still being a grease ball.

In this story, the only justification for the murder is that the kid they murder might've done something bad eventually, and the little offhand joking remark about erasing his enemies or w/e before he got murdered.

At best it's just awful pacing to have lesbian fanservice immediately after a boy gets brutally murdered(in the same room too lol). At worst, it's a shot at men that they aren't welcome in that particular story.
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Apr 4, 2022 11:36 PM

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Tardman said:
Redo of Healer is basically a porn anime, but if you want to look at it deeper than that at least the author made the MC go through a lot of suffering to justify his warped personality and actions, as well as making the targets of his revenge genuinely horrible people.
The suffering he went through doesn't justify what he does. Revenge is not justice, eye for an eye is not justice. Raping someone is never good nor justified. I understand that he lost his sanity after all the horrible things he suffered through but it doesn't make his actions justified. And doesn't he trick and manipulate his offspring (or something like that) into sexual intercourse?

Tardman said:
The guy in Shield Hero didn't even do anything bad lol
You could argue that the series justifies the enslavement and exploitation of women at the hands of male characters since he originally bought and treated Raphtalia as his slave and was a slave owner. Sure, he never treated her badly, but he still kept her as his slave for a while.

Tardman said:
Mushoku Tensei is pretty greasy not gonna lie, but I'd say it's w/e given the setting where you're basically considered an adult in your early teens and they did a decent job balancing the fanservice with the more serious stuff
There were many times when the acts of assault and groping were unnecessary and in poor taste. And it doesn't help that these actions are targeted towards children and underage girls, at least at the story's beginning/first half.

Tardman said:
In this story, the only justification for the murder is that the kid they murder might've done something bad eventually, and the little offhand joking remark about erasing his enemies or w/e before he got murdered.
The justification (I would used word "reason" instead cause the Lost Ones/Otherworlders are innocent people and Menou herself states this and killing innocent people is not justifiable) for the murder was that The Lost Ones/Otherworlders bring disaster and calamity and end up summoning big monsters. There was this flashback where we saw how that unnamed girl destroyed a whole village when she lost control of her powers. And not only she destroyed the village, she ended up killing all the villagers too since Menou is the sole survivor of that village. The Lost One/Otherworlders can inadvertently cause more havoc in the world. This wasn't addressed in the anime, but in the light novel and manga after learning about his power and how it works the fake MC-kun thinks "With an ability like this, I can even kill the king who summoned me whenever I want!" and the fake MC-kun was planning on making the king disappear from the world with this ability just because the king called him useless. This gives the impression that this guy would kill/erase anyone for any petty reason and he most likely would have ended up causing havoc just like other Lost Ones/Otherworlders. In other words, it is understandable why they want to get rid of the Lost Ones/Otherworlders, it is kinda like "its either us or them who die" situation.

And it is not like Menou is heartless killer or anything like that, she feels regret over all the innocent lives she has taken, she even says out loud that the boy was innocent and she knows that all the people she killed were innocent people who had no idea why she had to kill them. She even dreams of her past victims.

Tardman said:
At best it's just awful pacing to have lesbian fanservice immediately after a boy gets brutally murdered(in the same room too lol). At worst, it's a shot at men that they aren't welcome in that particular story.
In the original novel and manga Momo only rubbed her cheek against Menous' hand so the "Momo shoving her head between Menou's boobs" is anime-only and I agree that the groping thing is gross. Momo is definitely a donwside of the series, she is the stereotypical handsy stalker lesbian trope.
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josi_fergi said:

there was no hints he was evil until before he die got more to say but i'll end it here.

It's her job to kill the isekaied one regardless of gender, their whatsoever morality, IF they had 'pure concepts' which they 100% had. It doesn't matter if he is evil or good. The only thing it matter to her is that he had power or not. Before you argue that she did not kill the other mc Akari, it's not that she did not kill. It's that she had no way to kill the girl.
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I only read excuses to justify a bastard at the level of Malty from shield hero, she is like any woman a damn manipulator.
I just want to see when she receives his punishment.
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It's been awhile since I saw Shield Hero, but I believe the only (plot) reason he bought a little girl was because she was the cheapest slave and he was broke. It's not crazy for slavery to be legal in a medieval setting. Theoretically, if he had more money he would've bought one of those high level lizardmen or something. The 4th wall reason he bought a little girl is just because she's cute, and cute girls sell anime lol.

Inappropriately timed groping aside, I think it would've been better if she murdered a woman. Having her murder a stereotypical male anime MC in a story with literally no male characters just feels like a ham-fisted attack at...... Men? Isekai fans? I don't know exactly. There's a reason there's so many blank/bland/whatever anime main characters, it's so the viewer can project themselves onto them(and the viewer is male like 70-90% of the time, especially in fantasy adventure genre). So, the average anime viewer gets ~10 minutes to project themselves onto this blank slate, just to randomly get murdered lol. They actually did a really great job with the fake main character in this show. The average Japanese teenager these days is exactly like that kid: Somewhat passive, grades could be better, bit of a sense of humor, wants to be isekai'd, etc.



Oh yeah and about Redo of Healer, justified was too strong of a word to use. I should've said, reasonable, or understandable, realistic, etc, something like that. His character is completely warped and cracked by being raped and abused for a couple years, and on his second run at life he waits until they sleight him again before doing anything. I don't really know what happens later on in the story, I don't think I watched the whole thing, but he did have a method to his madness that was understandable, given the context.

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Tardman said:
I even think the synopsis used to say: "it's impossible to kill this boy!", so yeah, definitely got catfished.
The synopsis on the MAL page says "When she meets Akari, it seems like just another job...until she discovers it's impossible to kill this girl!". I don't recall any synopsis saying "it's impossible to kill this boy!"? Unless someone got Akari's gender wrong first and later corrected it? That's all I can think of.

Tardman said:
I think it would've been better if she murdered a woman. Having her kill a stereotypical male anime MC in a show with literally no male characters just feels like a ham-fisted attack at...... Men? Isekai fans? I don't know exactly.
Then subverting audience's expectations wouldn't have worked. It is just playing with tropes, there is nothing deeper than that. Also if we go by the "feels like an attack at men" logic, then wouldn't murdering a woman be an attack at women and female isekai fans, telling them that girls and women can't be heroines of typical isekai stories? After all, isekai has a lot of female fans too and shoujo isekais with female heroines like Magic Knight Rayearth, The Vision of Escaflowne, Fushigi Yuugi, Red River etc. used to dominate the isekai genre.

Shokei Shoujo is a yuri isekai and yuri works rarely have important male characters, most of the yuri stories have all-female cast. I have watched and enjoyed shows with no female characters (or where women are more like background characters) so I just don't really understand the problem of not having male characters in a series or why characters' genders matter. Like, I don't like Redo of Healer but I didn't take it as attack at me even though almost all the women are potrayed as awful, vile and bad human beings (and when they are not awful, they only just devoted and submissive waifus to Healer guy with) nor did I take it as attack at me when the only lesbian character in it is a serial rapist with the "man-hating" lesbian trope attached to her. There's like no positive female character depiction in it and I did not feel it was a attack at me or other women.

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good point or the flare situation but all i saw was someone who couldn't control their powers as for the dude no one was around when she met him so.. oh yes immortal girl oh so no problems if your enemy knows your here since it's private property? thirdly i call it bad writing and bad pacing for the anime nobody here is an idiot we know why the author decided to put a male isekai guy and then kill him off i mean the guy went from nice to am gonna kill people i hate like for real? my crux is i don't like the way they killed him of the pacing was bad there was no hints he was evil until before he die got more to say but i'll end it here.
The fake MC-kun would have been killed even if the was good and nice because The Lost Ones/Otherworlders bring disaster and calamity and end up summoning big monsters. It doesn't matter if he is good or evil, he would have been killed anyway. Menou has killed both men and women, her job is to execute The Lost Ones/Otherworlders because they bring disaster and havoc, they end up destroying villages and killing people and misusing their powers and losing control of their powers. It's a "either we die or they die" situation, they can't take the risk of letting Lost One/Otherworlder live cause there is the always the danger and threath of that Lost One/Otherworlder causing destruction and death with their power. The girl how destroyed Menous's home village and killed everyone else wasn't bad or evil either, she ended up destroying the village and killing people due to losing control of her power, it was an accident. She even apologizes and says she didn't want this to happen. The can't take a risk like that, they have to kill the Lost Ones/Otherworlders if they don't want their cities and villages get destroyed and people getting killed.

Menou does kill Akari, but the thing is that Akari's ability is to reverse time and that makes it nearly impossible for anyone to kill her. Menou stabs her from behind in the light novel and manga, but Akari comes back to life due to her ablitity to reverse time. And that is what will happen in the second episode.
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The synopsis definitely said boy at some point, but that's not really a big deal at this point. Normally, this anime would've been tagged with yuri and I never would've watched it, but for some reason the MAL moderators or whatever didn't do so. I'm just giving input into what I got from the episode, and also what would make me like the story more, but I acknowledge that this story just wasn't made for me(feels like it was made primarily for women, secondarily for men that fetishize lesbians). The reason I decided to comment on it is because I felt I has something to say, and I was also a little perturbed because I feel like I got catfished into watching this lol

And I should add, genders of characters matter. You'd never have a shounen anime like Naruto with a 100% female cast because young Japanese boys wouldn't watch it. Mieruko-chan and Railgun(minus Kuroko's stalker/rapist tendencies) are two of my favorite anime, but those are both school settings and this is a fantasy adventure. I guess I cant really suspend my disbelief when it comes to a group of women in a medieval swords & sorcery setting going around murdering people with a side of lesbian fanservice lol. But I'll watch at least one or two more episodes.
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Generic guy was more pathetic in the LN.

Momo taking picture made my day.


yeah, Momo got a good shot of Menou in meido outfit there. :)

still cute even if the uniform is not real.
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josi_fergi said:

good point or the flare situation but all i saw was someone who couldn't control their powers as for the dude no one was around when she met him so.. oh yes immortal girl oh so no problems if your enemy knows your here since it's private property? thirdly i call it bad writing and bad pacing for the anime nobody here is an idiot we know why the author decided to put a male isekai guy and then kill him off i mean the guy went from nice to am gonna kill people i hate like for real? my crux is i don't like the way they killed him of the pacing was bad there was no hints he was evil until before he die got more to say but i'll end it here.


With great power comes great responsibility. Most of this boy's age people can't handle this, they're too emotional. Realistically speaking. He said the same thing - I can destroy anyone I don't like... And more or less, as they said, this is Lost One number ХХХХХХХ and etc. And if you have 1000 failures out of 1000 attempts, it is not difficult to imagine what will happen.
But reading the comments, I start to think that some people are just worried about how the Shield Hero could have ended up in just one episode ... Don't worry, they are completely different :))) (The last one is non-offensive joke. I like Shield Hero too)
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While it's only two/three guys, man you all should tone down the stereotyping and misogyny. Lot of slice of life animes have an all male cast or male characters in proeminent roles, Danshi kokousei no Nichijou, Acho Kochi, Barakamon, Chibi devil, and Saiki Kusuo, are some examples, the same way we have a lot of fantasy series with a all female cast or with proeminent female characters, Pricone, from last season, Bofuri, Slime Taoshite, Hamefure, it kind of counts, Endro, Leadale, and many others. Yeah, the gender may have some impact, but not as much as you're putting in, also not everyone self-insert themselves on the works they consume.
It's possible to criticize the first episode of this series without being an prejudiced ass about it.
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At least this isekai trying to be different than the rest of isekai out there. Feel like this anime will be full of murder scenes.

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I only read excuses to justify a bastard at the level of Malty from shield hero, she is like any woman a damn manipulator.
I just want to see when she receives his punishment.
One of major thing killed the enjoyment of that show, should've got more punishment like imprisoned forever or just death executioned instantly

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Decent first ep. Let's see where will the show goes
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Tardman said:
I even think the synopsis used to say: "it's impossible to kill this boy!", so yeah, definitely got catfished.
The synopsis on the MAL page says "When she meets Akari, it seems like just another job...until she discovers it's impossible to kill this girl!". I don't recall any synopsis saying "it's impossible to kill this boy!"? Unless someone got Akari's gender wrong first and later corrected it? That's all I can think of.

Tardman said:
I think it would've been better if she murdered a woman. Having her kill a stereotypical male anime MC in a show with literally no male characters just feels like a ham-fisted attack at...... Men? Isekai fans? I don't know exactly.
Then subverting audience's expectations wouldn't have worked. It is just playing with tropes, there is nothing deeper than that. Also if we go by the "feels like an attack at men" logic, then wouldn't murdering a woman be an attack at women and female isekai fans, telling them that girls and women can't be heroines of typical isekai stories? After all, isekai has a lot of female fans too and shoujo isekais with female heroines like Magic Knight Rayearth, The Vision of Escaflowne, Fushigi Yuugi, Red River etc. used to dominate the isekai genre.

Shokei Shoujo is a yuri isekai and yuri works rarely have important male characters, most of the yuri stories have all-female cast. I have watched and enjoyed shows with no female characters (or where women are more like background characters) so I just don't really understand the problem of not having male characters in a series or why characters' genders matter. Like, I don't like Redo of Healer but I didn't take it as attack at me even though almost all the women are potrayed as awful, vile and bad human beings (and when they are not awful, they only just devoted and submissive waifus to Healer guy with) nor did I take it as attack at me when the only lesbian character in it is a serial rapist with the "man-hating" lesbian trope attached to her. There's like no positive female character depiction in it and I did not feel it was a attack at me or other women.

josi_fergi said:
good point or the flare situation but all i saw was someone who couldn't control their powers as for the dude no one was around when she met him so.. oh yes immortal girl oh so no problems if your enemy knows your here since it's private property? thirdly i call it bad writing and bad pacing for the anime nobody here is an idiot we know why the author decided to put a male isekai guy and then kill him off i mean the guy went from nice to am gonna kill people i hate like for real? my crux is i don't like the way they killed him of the pacing was bad there was no hints he was evil until before he die got more to say but i'll end it here.
The fake MC-kun would have been killed even if the was good and nice because The Lost Ones/Otherworlders bring disaster and calamity and end up summoning big monsters. It doesn't matter if he is good or evil, he would have been killed anyway. Menou has killed both men and women, her job is to execute The Lost Ones/Otherworlders because they bring disaster and havoc, they end up destroying villages and killing people and misusing their powers and losing control of their powers. It's a "either we die or they die" situation, they can't take the risk of letting Lost One/Otherworlder live cause there is the always the danger and threath of that Lost One/Otherworlder causing destruction and death with their power. The girl how destroyed Menous's home village and killed everyone else wasn't bad or evil either, she ended up destroying the village and killing people due to losing control of her power, it was an accident. She even apologizes and says she didn't want this to happen. The can't take a risk like that, they have to kill the Lost Ones/Otherworlders if they don't want their cities and villages get destroyed and people getting killed.

Menou does kill Akari, but the thing is that Akari's ability is to reverse time and that makes it nearly impossible for anyone to kill her. Menou stabs her from behind in the light novel and manga, but Akari comes back to life due to her ablitity to reverse time. And that is what will happen in the second episode.


ahhh u missed the second part of my point the authors execution second if she didn't care whether good or bad why not kill him then and there no you see the author had an agenda here that and the bad execution on the authors part is what i don't like if she had straight up kill the dude like she did with akiri? idk yea i'd be fine with it the author wanted a got yaa moment but for a lot off us uhh lets just say it didn't go over well thats why the author wrote it in such a way to see him go around all happy and shit just to pull that out his pocket.
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I don't know why people like this show, it is original and new? lol. it is just a Talentless Nana rip off in a isekai world. it has the same premise, an ordinary boy is introduced, suddenly befriends a cute girl, the she then kills him, she is ordered by an organization because he has the "potential" to destroy the world just as his predecessors had done, and she had a sob story to justify her crimes. even the protagonist's name copied Munou na Nana, Menou.
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josi_fergi said:
suzulovesmanga said:
The synopsis on the MAL page says "When she meets Akari, it seems like just another job...until she discovers it's impossible to kill this girl!". I don't recall any synopsis saying "it's impossible to kill this boy!"? Unless someone got Akari's gender wrong first and later corrected it? That's all I can think of.

Then subverting audience's expectations wouldn't have worked. It is just playing with tropes, there is nothing deeper than that. Also if we go by the "feels like an attack at men" logic, then wouldn't murdering a woman be an attack at women and female isekai fans, telling them that girls and women can't be heroines of typical isekai stories? After all, isekai has a lot of female fans too and shoujo isekais with female heroines like Magic Knight Rayearth, The Vision of Escaflowne, Fushigi Yuugi, Red River etc. used to dominate the isekai genre.

Shokei Shoujo is a yuri isekai and yuri works rarely have important male characters, most of the yuri stories have all-female cast. I have watched and enjoyed shows with no female characters (or where women are more like background characters) so I just don't really understand the problem of not having male characters in a series or why characters' genders matter. Like, I don't like Redo of Healer but I didn't take it as attack at me even though almost all the women are potrayed as awful, vile and bad human beings (and when they are not awful, they only just devoted and submissive waifus to Healer guy with) nor did I take it as attack at me when the only lesbian character in it is a serial rapist with the "man-hating" lesbian trope attached to her. There's like no positive female character depiction in it and I did not feel it was a attack at me or other women.

The fake MC-kun would have been killed even if the was good and nice because The Lost Ones/Otherworlders bring disaster and calamity and end up summoning big monsters. It doesn't matter if he is good or evil, he would have been killed anyway. Menou has killed both men and women, her job is to execute The Lost Ones/Otherworlders because they bring disaster and havoc, they end up destroying villages and killing people and misusing their powers and losing control of their powers. It's a "either we die or they die" situation, they can't take the risk of letting Lost One/Otherworlder live cause there is the always the danger and threath of that Lost One/Otherworlder causing destruction and death with their power. The girl how destroyed Menous's home village and killed everyone else wasn't bad or evil either, she ended up destroying the village and killing people due to losing control of her power, it was an accident. She even apologizes and says she didn't want this to happen. The can't take a risk like that, they have to kill the Lost Ones/Otherworlders if they don't want their cities and villages get destroyed and people getting killed.

Menou does kill Akari, but the thing is that Akari's ability is to reverse time and that makes it nearly impossible for anyone to kill her. Menou stabs her from behind in the light novel and manga, but Akari comes back to life due to her ablitity to reverse time. And that is what will happen in the second episode.


ahhh u missed the second part of my point the authors execution second if she didn't care whether good or bad why not kill him then and there no you see the author had an agenda here that and the bad execution on the authors part is what i don't like if she had straight up kill the dude like she did with akiri? idk yea i'd be fine with it the author wanted a got yaa moment but for a lot off us uhh lets just say it didn't go over well thats why the author wrote it in such a way to see him go around all happy and shit just to pull that out his pocket.


Why don't you kill him when you meet him? Simple, that question is answered when you see Menou's past, besides the fact that she doesn't know what power he has, you just have to pay attention to the program to get rid of doubts...
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A GL isekai, I’m in since we hardly see this in anime!
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dedwood said:
I don't know why people like this show, it is original and new? lol. it is just a Talentless Nana rip off in a isekai world. it has the same premise, an ordinary boy is introduced, suddenly befriends a cute girl, the she then kills him, she is ordered by an organization because he has the "potential" to destroy the world just as his predecessors had done, and she had a sob story to justify her crimes. even the protagonist's name copied Munou na Nana, Menou.


The fact that you can only think of one anime that has the same/similar premise and not 10+ like other shows means the plot of show is quite unique by today standard.
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Something by JC that doesn't have Railgun in the title that doesn't look like complete garbage. Weird.

While I remember reading the manga a bit, I pretty much don't remember anything after what's gonna happen next episode. Hopefully the anime can leave a longer lasting impression.
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josi_fergi said:
ahhh u missed the second part of my point the authors execution second if she didn't care whether good or bad why not kill him then and there no you see the author had an agenda here that and the bad execution on the authors part is what i don't like if she had straight up kill the dude like she did with akiri? idk yea i'd be fine with it the author wanted a got yaa moment but for a lot off us uhh lets just say it didn't go over well thats why the author wrote it in such a way to see him go around all happy and shit just to pull that out his pocket.
She needed to know his power cause there's a always a chance that the Lost One/Otherworlder has a power that makes them difficult to kill and best place to carry out the execution is in a remote place where they can't cause harm to the civilians. Imagine if they ended up having a magical battle, that could end up causing civilians to die. The boy claimed that he has no power, he even really believed that he has no power at all, but all the Lost Ones/Otherworlders have had powers so she needed to find out what his power is. In the original light novel Menou says "After all, some have abilities that make it difficult to kill them completely" and in the manga adaptation she says "If you really were powerless like you thought, you wouldn't have to die to an Executioner like me" but these lines were left out from the anime. She needed to know his power before attacking. What if his power was a magical shield that actives when someone attacks him? That is why she needed to know his power. She needed to gain his trust in order lure him away to a remote place and in order to get him to show his power to her, that is why she pretend to be friendly and nice. Menou doesn't straight up kill Akari right away, Menou uses these same tactis on Akari, she pretends to be friendly and pretends to want to help her, she even claims that she has come to save Akari and that the nobles are fooling her and trying to use her and her power. She asks from Akari if the nobles told Akari anything about her power and Akari answers "Yes, I was told a lot of things. But in short, it seems my power is healing other people's injuries." Menou tells Akari that the nobles are trying to abuse her gentle power and that she is on Akari"s side and convinces Akari to escape with her. Then, when the opportunity comes, Menou jumps on Akari and stabs her on the back. Menou kills Akari the same way she killed the boy, she pretends to be their ally and a friend and after learning their power she stabs them both. Unfortunately for Menou, it turns out that Akari's power is not healing but reversing time and Akari herself seems to be unaware of her power's true nature.

RavenWolf1 already explained this perfectly: "If you want to kill someone you lure him to some abandoned place like that church probably was. No witnesses no evidence. Also it was remote place in case battle occurred so no civilian casualties. She probably was also interested about his power. What if you tried to kill him and failed because he had some odd power which would have protected him? That would have been disaster and in middle of the city could have spiraled out of control. She used her charms to get info out of him. She got to know his power. Power which sure was dangerous but that power couldn't protect him from surprise attack. Generally professionals don't attack anyone without plan and proper information of whole picture. You want to know your enemy before you strike"

Killing off the generic MC-kun was just a way to subvert audiences expectations and to play with tropes. Seriously, that's it, that is all there is to it. It's not that deep as you and others are trying to make it out to be. It is kinda strange that the people who are totally fine with Redo of Healer and Shield Hero are the same people who are saying that Shokei Shoujo is "misandrist" and "hates men" just because the fake-out male lead was killed off.
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josi_fergi said:
ahhh u missed the second part of my point the authors execution second if she didn't care whether good or bad why not kill him then and there no you see the author had an agenda here that and the bad execution on the authors part is what i don't like if she had straight up kill the dude like she did with akiri? idk yea i'd be fine with it the author wanted a got yaa moment but for a lot off us uhh lets just say it didn't go over well thats why the author wrote it in such a way to see him go around all happy and shit just to pull that out his pocket.
She needed to know his power cause there's a always a chance that the Lost One/Otherworlder has a power that makes them difficult to kill and best place to carry out the execution is in a remote place where they can't cause harm to the civilians. Imagine if they ended up having a magical battle, that could end up causing civilians to die. The boy claimed that he has no power, he even really believed that he has no power at all, but all the Lost Ones/Otherworlders have had powers so she needed to find out what his power is. In the original light novel Menou says "After all, some have abilities that make it difficult to kill them completely" and in the manga adaptation she says "If you really were powerless like you thought, you wouldn't have to die to an Executioner like me" but these lines were left out from the anime. She needed to know his power before attacking. What if his power was a magical shield that actives when someone attacks him? That is why she needed to know his power. She needed to gain his trust in order lure him away to a remote place and in order to get him to show his power to her, that is why she pretend to be friendly and nice. Menou doesn't straight up kill Akari right away, Menou uses these same tactis on Akari, she pretends to be friendly and pretends to want to help her, she even claims that she has come to save Akari and that the nobles are fooling her and trying to use her and her power. She asks from Akari if the nobles told Akari anything about her power and Akari answers "Yes, I was told a lot of things. But in short, it seems my power is healing other people's injuries." Menou tells Akari that the nobles are trying to abuse her gentle power and that she is on Akari"s side and convinces Akari to escape with her. Then, when the opportunity comes, Menou jumps on Akari and stabs her on the back. Menou kills Akari the same way she killed the boy, she pretends to be their ally and a friend and after learning their power she stabs them both. Unfortunately for Menou, it turns out that Akari's power is not healing but reversing time and Akari herself seems to be unaware of her power's true nature.

RavenWolf1 already explained this perfectly: "If you want to kill someone you lure him to some abandoned place like that church probably was. No witnesses no evidence. Also it was remote place in case battle occurred so no civilian casualties. She probably was also interested about his power. What if you tried to kill him and failed because he had some odd power which would have protected him? That would have been disaster and in middle of the city could have spiraled out of control. She used her charms to get info out of him. She got to know his power. Power which sure was dangerous but that power couldn't protect him from surprise attack. Generally professionals don't attack anyone without plan and proper information of whole picture. You want to know your enemy before you strike"

Killing off the generic MC-kun was just a way to subvert audiences expectations and to play with tropes. Seriously, that's it, that is all there is to it. It's not that deep as you and others are trying to make it out to be. It is kinda strange that the people who are totally fine with Redo of Healer and Shield Hero are the same people who are saying that Shokei Shoujo is "misandrist" and "hates men" just because the fake-out male lead was killed off.


See what i mean bad pacing bad whatever it is seems to me like the manga and ln did it better oh and about it being just killing off blah blah for subversion I already said am fine with that the anime just ruined it cause it sounds like it's better in the manga/ln uk what I'll give it aa chance the annoying lovey dovey clingy idiot might/will annoy me but iv'e seen and been through worst you've managed to change my perspective.

Edit- I like redo for what it is. Shield hero i just don't like the bitchy princess like Rachel they where made for that.
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Needs to be left in the hands of the fascist secret police who are super powerful themselves.


This is the part that killed it for me. The narrative of "They must be killed because they are too dangerous" might have been palatable if the world was otherwise without magic. But then the MC summons a magical church which melts the brains of everyone around her..... your every bit as dangerous if you end up going crazy.
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Applesaucey said:
RayReynolds said:
Needs to be left in the hands of the fascist secret police who are super powerful themselves.


This is the part that killed it for me. The narrative of "They must be killed because they are too dangerous" might have been palatable if the world was otherwise without magic. But then the MC summons a magical church which melts the brains of everyone around her..... your every bit as dangerous if you end up going crazy.


That's a good point and makes me think that it would be fun to have a show that explored more grey area heros that over time become jaded or misuse and abuse their powers and magic.
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Got to kill them all It sounds like she is one of the Lost Ones
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why does this thread of the first episode of this show have more replies and posts than the thread of the first episode of the 2nd season of Sheild Hero?
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Damn, this is the world Rudeus should've reincarnated into!
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Really strong animation in various moments, better than any recent J.C. Staff anime. I got the spoilers about the death but still the 2nd half alone makes this the best isekai of the season. Also, heard that Keiichiro Saito is doing the ED. Hype!!
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why does this thread of the first episode of this show have more replies and posts than the thread of the first episode of the 2nd season of Sheild Hero?
I think cause this anime draw much controversy : Typical isekai male mc murdered on its first episode, and the real mc is told as psychopath for what she did. Anime with "controversial" first episode usually draw a lot of attention.
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I'm getting serious Akame Ga Kill vibes from the tone of this show. This bitch is a straight up psychopath, she lured this boy in with her fake waifu act, then straight up murders him. Yeah, my man started talking a little crazy after he saw what his power could do, but he clearly has had issues with bullies. She says some empty words in apology, but she clearly feels zero remorse. Oh, and then like 5 minutes later there's a tone-deaf yuri comedy bit where her underling can't help but squish her face into the psycho's chest and thighs, because she's just so madly in love. What a little rascal!

Dropped.
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If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
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Interesting plot, but I think I'd start hating this later on since it gives the feels of the MC being a total hypocrite later. Where she kills all these people cause reasons, but then refuses to kill the black haired girl.


Of course she won't kill that black haired girl.
It's a yuri show, after all.
No girls will die in this one.
Also that MC will never have to face any consequences from all those people she has happily murdered.
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For jc staff this looks hella good
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ultimateweeb173 said:
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The premise “church bad” is not unique in isekai. Like, at all.
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There’s not going to be any yuri this season, the series is very slow paced in that regard.


btw the church isnt bad tho theyre doing good deeds by killing lost ones

hell, there are 4 catastrophes caused by lost ones already lol better safe than sorry

not to mention,
the isekai world is already full of the OG earth or japanese cultures and technology already. its so clear as day that the lost ones had been around for at least centuries

the lost ones are no longer needed,
only some fools who would still summon em despite the obvious high risk.
its illegal to summon lost ones anyways and not even the king could escape the law

momo burying her face in menou's boobs is pretty much yuri tho,
she's also licking her thigh already lol
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While the fight animation was rather whelming, that spell where they summon a church bell is the sickest thing ever.

Seen quite a few arguments about the fake-out protag, but I think they did it rather well. He got enough development to make you kinda feel for him when the MC took him out, but all things considered the show makes you understand why he might have had to go. The powers in the world seem to be highly volatile and sometimes corruptive towards their user, so even letting him live freely without teaching him magic had the potential of injuring people once he died naturally. It sets up enough of a conundrum that I'm interested in learning more about the world and how the isekai kids interact with it. Are people with less harmful powers allowed to stay? Even if someone had a benevolent power would they still be put down? It seemed like the biggest trigger for the MC killing Null-kun was his scheming to use his powers on his enemies- would things have gone different if he instead offered to use them in a helpful way or simply not at all? Guess I'll have to wait and find out.

Genuine question for those who have read the source material, when they die in the isekai world, are they sent back to the real world or are they Super Dead For Good?


"people die if they're killed" -Emiya Shirou
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That kinda sucked because she killed him but later we understand why but whatever
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Already know I'm going to hate this MC.
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