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ttcchen said: KaiserVonGogureo said: wait so characters like that barbara girl are anime originals? In the manga they never ate demon meat?Yes, the setting was different as they were already in Norman's base, and it was just him, Emma, and Ray, but I don't think he had a drug, they were just gonna wipe em out, and yes they showed Lambda, not a whole lot, but a good amount I think, we never really found out how he escaped, but he and his crew along with another boy named Adam did, who has most likely been cut as he was in Goldy Pond, the manga also showed the scene right after Isabella takes him to be shipped, it skipped another important character introduction (who will be here as he's in the intro) No, they were in the manga too, they were introduced in a much better way though by opening on them beating some demons in one of that farms that mass produces low grade meat, which isn't mentioned in the anime, and yes they still ate demon meat |
kuwangpa said: Anyone else find that Barbara girl to be kinda hot? I am gay, but I agree 100% |
| Man this was really boring. At least the brand new characters were a breath of fresh air. The girl character is really interesting so far |
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| damn! so many people dont like this huh? as an anime only i sink its not that bad. lucky i didnt read manga huh? |
| wowie it sure is convenient Norman has a drug that he could administer to EVERY demon, effectively destroying the demon society with a button press. Too bad we never get to see how he figured out how to do that, or how he had the resources to manufacture a mass amount of drugs. I don't give a shit how smart he is, no 12 year old can do this shit. Being smart doesn't allow you to transcend logic. Also it sucks they got rid of Norman's cool ass tree base. I was really hoping they'd have a better art direction, instead of just medieval cabins, medieval towns, and medieval temples. |
Marinate1016 said: Finally got to watch the ep on Funi, an hour later. And as expected, it only delayed my annoyance. This episode confirmed that GP is definitely going to be skipped and honestly I’m thinking they’re going to try and wrap the entire story up in 5 episodes. What the fuck. This is just a big “fuck you” to the fans who’ve followed this story for so long. I’m just speechless. One thing I will say they did right was Barbara and Vincent. Still can’t get over that they’re not even gonna age Norman up like the manga. Yeah. From the last episode itself everything seems to be rushed. The erratic pacing is heart breaking considering how sequenced the previous season was and even the first few episodes. It would have been great if they had followed the manga, at least there would have been a sequence to the events happening. I feel the only thing that is holding the fans together and enabling them to watch the coming episodes is the fact that the story is pretty good. Even though we are getting bombarded by information improperly, it is still good info. Just the effect it conveys decreases significantly if you are a manga reader, but for most of the just-anime-watchers it is still good while pointing out the obvious plots. |
| Only now i understood why the whole drama i´ve been reading about (anime only here). So, basically, ~40ch or so were treated as filler. Well that´s some hurry they have to finish things. |
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HBKdll said: Im anime only fan. I didn't knew they have skipped chapter until after i watched episode 5 which was very annoying filler and i got to know more about the issue of manga readers angry with adaptation. I was hopeful that maybe they are taking different route for better narrative and was very happy to give them a chance. But after watching episode 6 im wayyyyyy frustrated that im posting comment here to releave myself. Firstly i think they tried to do AoT basement exposition style where single chr gives out large information that is world changing. But they failed for me, i didn't feel any weight from the exposition dump. It was off and i would have been very confused if didn't knew that manga chapters have been skipped. They fucked it up. Secondly Emma's character development. There was non. We always saw emma as idealistic, optimistic goody two shoes. Her pleading for mercy for demons is not at all relatable for me personally. I cant associate with demons with such lack of build up or explaination. I mean there is not debate in my mind. Again comparing with AoT they showed in some episodes how real humans are on both side. How both side looses due to this war it was well put up and they didn't try to shove it in ur mouth like how Emma's dialogues and reaction tried to. As a character Emma was very irritating in this episode and i was agonised to hear her speak. S2 was off from start... I didn't feel any tense environment that was there in first season even tho its more harse surrounding. I didn't feel any urgency and fear for these kid in forest full of demons that i felt in grace field in presence of mama. They made it too easy going for the kids. They didn't had to endure as difficult situation and didn't got any casualties or consequences what so ever. And due to this lack of consequences Emmas thinking about saving demons feel more like naive, ignorant and idealistic which shouldn't how series should go on if it is what they are seeking. Alas these are my opinion i dont care if anyone disagrees. I just wanted to release my frustrations. Tho im spoiled by this fucking adaption i will surely try to read the manga to get the story how it was enjoyed by many Oh yeah very rightly said. I myself watch the anime only and I even supported the last episode against the criticism it was facing by the manga readers and was hopeful that the next episode would clarify all these negative comments. Unfortunately, nothing of that sort happened and I spiraled into greater disappointment. AoT basement exposition was great because of the fact that the audience was already aware of it from the start of the 1st season. It was built up with excessive secrecy yet revealing it's motive. Unlike that, Norman talks about something entirely new and there was no basis for that. It was extremely poorly executed which made me feel I should read the manga. Conversely, I was convinced after hearing that demons take shape of what they're are eating, Emma's one codependent world was possible. Although, she herself says that it's weird, to feel that way. We feel that cz there was heavy emphasis on how badly humans are treated by the demons. But from Emma character, it rightly describes her. Personally, I feel that what she thinks is stupid and absurd. The direction spoilt the whole setting. They set standards with the first season and even the first few episodes of this season but compared to that what is happening now is appalling. I decreased the rating from 8/10 to 7/10. Even that feels high now. Just because the story is good I am forced to watch the anime. I too will start reading the manga now. Comparing this to AoT now is sinful |
Mr360AttAck said: damn! so many people dont like this huh? as an anime only i sink its not that bad. lucky i didnt read manga huh? Yeah. I feel that way too. But from what I saw today, I'll prolly start reading the manga now. Imagine we have just 5 episodes more and they just established how to kill demons without any basis behind it. |
| Disclaimer: I'm an anime only watcher. The ending was interesting; seems like Norman doesn't like Mujika. Indeed, Mujika and Sonju are both suspicious. Didn't Sonju say that he doesn't eat farmed humans, but has no issues hunting wild humans? Mujika didn't say the same thing, but considering she's in league with Sonju, she might not be so innocent either. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| Emma's too optimistic, she wants a happy end but doesn't wanna kill the demons. Thou it doesn't look like there's much people who's gonna support that ideology. Is this gonna lead to internal conflict? |
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| I'm crying inside watching this shit... Really |
| I was pretty disappointed at how fast the manga skipped through Norman's backstory. It felt like such an asspull to just bring him back with a bunch of superpowered friends and technology since they didn't build it up at all. I maintain to this day that his rise, escape, and destruction of LAMBDA deserved its own arc right after Goldy Pond. It would have been a perfect chance to recreate the magic of the first season/arc while introducing some interesting world-building. But anyway, the anime handled it even worse, cramming everything plus the lore about demon regeneration into about 5 minutes. The rest of the episode had some passable dialogue, and at least an ethical dilemma to keep things kind of interesting. Embarrassingly, that's two chapters in a row without even a mention of Isabella despite episode 4 building her up as the new main antagonist. |
| Fine episode, it gave me some hope for future improvements and was not as bad as the previous ones but still it's a mess. I am going to give it a chance and keep watching it just for the different ending than the manga one which many manga readers complained about. I got spoiled about almost the entirety of manga anyways. |
Full_anime_FanFeb 19, 2021 2:11 AM
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| There was some kind of knight in the OP. And Norman got added in that OP scene. YAAY! I have heard that it was a panel from the manga with the skipped character, but, oh well. So those were other humans with him, rather adults. So according to Norman's explanations, it's safe to assume that Sonju and Mujika have already eaten humans? or are they just descended from human rating Demons. I'm not really a fan of the peace-loving ideals of Emma, not wanting even the demons to die. If you want to survive then the demons have to die. The reason the world is like this in the first place is that demons and humans cant coexist. Well, showing the parallel between Barbara and the demons was done well. Norman the boss XD. EVIL-BLOODED GIRL?!? What are you talking about? There is more to Sonju and Mujika? And I thought Mujika was the nicer one? |
| --AbiSa-- |
| As anime only, I'm enjoying this 2nd season I 100% agree with Norman. Don't care if these animals/demons have emotion, intelligence and feeling like human. Peace with them is bad choice and even if happens it might not last long. It is very risky to allow another intelligent animal to co-exist with humans but if you kill them then this means you won't be under their mercy forever |
| Emma: "I don't want to kill Demons" Me: ?????? Didn't you guys get hunted by demons for 5 episodes none-stop? So why the sudden shift in attitude in a spam of one episode? Yeah, this is what happening when you delete majority of story and character progression and jump straight to ending. The character's ideal and motivation makes 0 sense. Terrible writing and adaptation Subaru from RE:Zero took 40 episodes to reach where he's at now. Emma took one episode... |
| Cringe Of all the things to adapt faithfully post-escape they are doing the godawful genocidal Norman with his band of cringe freaks story line. Just the dumbest shit I swear. That is the thing I didn't want to see them adapt... The thing I was hopeful to see changed when the writer got involved with the anime and were teasing an anime original shift. And yet that's what they're going ahead with. It fucking sucks. |
| And here comes the bitching and people not understanding what the show is trying to do. Anime fans being overly emotional baby. This was a really good episode as Norman explained what he has been up to. People screaming asspull and disappointment need to chill as we're obviously going to get to see all of that. This show is good at show don't tell. We aren't gonna be told all of this and see this took actual time. I will say the phrase of time has me confuse a little bit. I do think it has been months and what saw was an animation error hopefully. But man I'm loving the manga reader salt. Ventus_S said: It's not as dumb as you think. Why would Emma want to do this? Well she has a big heart and wants to save everyone. She was chase by demons but was also treated wel lby two so for her to think, "Well let's kill them all." She is going to be a little shaky on that because that means killing the demons she likes. It's not a wild or dumb as you think and it hs nothing to do with the adaptation. Emma: "I don't want to kill Demons" Me: ?????? Didn't you guys get hunted by demons for 5 episodes none-stop? So why the sudden shift in attitude in a spam of one episode? Yeah, this is what happening when you delete majority of story and character progression and jump straight to ending. The character's ideal and motivation makes 0 sense. Terrible writing and adaptation Subaru from RE:Zero took 40 episodes to reach where he's at now. Emma took one episode... |
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poemofdevil said: Uh... you guys can't say," You're not following the manga, we wanna see Yugo and goldy pond!" and then go, "Ugh why adapt this, they suck!" Stop picking and choosing what you want to see and shut up. Cringe Of all the things to adapt faithfully post-escape they are doing the godawful genocidal Norman with his band of cringe freaks story line. Just the dumbest shit I swear. That is the thing I didn't want to see them adapt... The thing I was hopeful to see changed when the writer got involved with the anime and were teasing an anime original shift. And yet that's what they're going ahead with. It fucking sucks. |
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That's because you live a sad and empty life. |
| Honestly this episode was boring and it didn't do anything to convince me they can turn this ship around. I almost feel asleep tbh lol. |
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MasterHavik said: And here comes the bitching and people not understanding what the show is trying to do. Anime fans being overly emotional baby. This was a really good episode as Norman explained what he has been up to. People screaming asspull and disappointment need to chill as we're obviously going to get to see all of that. This show is good at show don't tell. We aren't gonna be told all of this and see this took actual time. I will say the phrase of time has me confuse a little bit. I do think it has been months and what saw was an animation error hopefully. But man I'm loving the manga reader salt. Ventus_S said: It's not as dumb as you think. Why would Emma want to do this? Well she has a big heart and wants to save everyone. She was chase by demons but was also treated wel lby two so for her to think, "Well let's kill them all." She is going to be a little shaky on that because that means killing the demons she likes. It's not a wild or dumb as you think and it hs nothing to do with the adaptation. Emma: "I don't want to kill Demons" Me: ?????? Didn't you guys get hunted by demons for 5 episodes none-stop? So why the sudden shift in attitude in a spam of one episode? Yeah, this is what happening when you delete majority of story and character progression and jump straight to ending. The character's ideal and motivation makes 0 sense. Terrible writing and adaptation Subaru from RE:Zero took 40 episodes to reach where he's at now. Emma took one episode... So you're saying you wanna risk the lives of all children with a "pacifist" plan out of a slight hunch because 2 demons were "good" to her? That usually would get you or your friends killed for being exceedingly naïve. Let's not forget that the vast majority of these demons, have human emotions, because they ate humans, if they didn't, they would be vicious mindless killers you'll have to kill anyway. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| And here's another random character shift on the writer's whim for Emma. Now she wants to create a human-demon utopia rather than actually killing the demons and of course Norman and his band of merry men (who just appeared literally out of nowhere as if they had already met our main characters) are hellbent on killing them all to make Emma's position look better morally; Barbara in particular is so overexaggerated in her hatred of demons that it's actually hilarious. And this is solely because Sonju and Mujika didn't treat them all like shit in the very brief time they knew each other? This is comically terrible writing on both a character and plot level, not least because it feels like the series is trying to earn character and plot beats without actually showing the progression to that point; seeing what happened to Norman at Lambda to enhance his hardline stance on humans would have been infinitely more interesting than the half-arsed exposition dump we got instead. |
| ah yes norman and his troupe of annoying characters, as much as I understand where they come from, I am still bitter that we are missing out on so many interesting characters yet we still get characters like barbara. |
| Kinda like the change in the OP, adding Norman and his gang. But yeah seeing Norman now just reminds me of the disappointment, I mean it's not bad it was a fine episode but it just feels weightless. Are they planning on finishing the whole story in the remaining episodes cause, at this rate that's highly possible. I mean it probably would have been better if they really went anime original, they just skipped a whole lotta good shit. But we'll see maybe this decision will pay off later, there's still 5 episodes, you never know. |
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| It's a decent episode for me even as a manga reader, but it's nowhere from the best arc. I think this arc is the "okay" parts. |
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| I feel like everything about this whole Norman is appearing out of thin air. There's a light at the end of tunnel but I'm not satisfied how things done. He got the drugs ?? what? where? how? in addition to somehow become leaders of some groups. You know what I actually feel like the anime series could end with this season if Norman's plan is working smoothly, and all we need to do is just make things up with those 'good demon' like Sonju and Mujika. |
| I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
| Okay Emma i understand what you mean, but you can't empathize the Demon just like that... Emma need to stop her naive ideology.... Borrow quote from someone "The only way to win is to Fight" We need to kill them all... Wow looks like Norman really hate Mujina.... This interesting... I like this Episode... |
davidyodo24Feb 19, 2021 8:44 AM
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| Well it seems that Norman's goons are SET IN STONE with their plans to initiate GENOCIDE to the demons. Also what happened in the Lambda testing facility, seems they had a bad time. And it seems that Norman is not having a fun time thinking of Mujika. Can Emma and Ray stop Norman's team and himself with their plans or things will go to more shitstorms and bullshittery that I don't even know what to grasp unto in this season. |
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| Jesus they are really adapting where the whole downfall of the manga started with Emma's bullshit about wanting to save the demons. I thought they would go completely orignal not just skip and mix different arcs..... I still had hopes that Norman's genocide route would succeed here but there is no hope for anything remotely interesting I guess. |
| I don't know how to feel about this episode. I enjoyed it, but it feels like it just hopped back on the manga material while skipping the entirety of it. It feels rushed. I guess we'll see what they make of it. From the looks of it, Emma will either have to side with either Norman or Mujika, since there seems to be some bad blood between them. |
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| So, Norman is alive and well and has his own gang of Anti- Demon extremist , but Emma wants a world where both humans and demons can coexist. BTW, I still think that Norman could be part of an elaborate plan by them demons.  boy, is she badass....... |
greengoes said: KaiserVonGogureo said: The funny part is, the dialogues with Norman about the demons and Emma's reactions and all that from the manga are adapted here, and that's the part that most manga readers say is the worst point in the series as a manga reader the norman/mujika arc is not bad at all, the worst part of the mangas are: Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but didn't most manga readers hate it when Emma said she didn't want to kill the demons, I surely didn't care for it myself Oh yeah and, just for reference for how fast the pacing is now, this season started at chapter 38, and this episode has ended at the start of chapter 127. 89 chapters in 6 episodes, just let that sink in Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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