Nikiforova said:CuteAssTiger said:
@Nikiforova
a person might be color blind but that does not change the factual color of the thing
a person might look at the reflection of something in a lake or look at things through rose colored glasses and that might change their perception of the object in question but it does not change what the object actually is
and something being a scientific fact does not stop it from being a statment .
if i say "X-thing is Y " then that is by definition a statement .
whenever the statement is incorrect or a scientific fact does not change that "X-thing is Y" is a statement
as for the statement .
the statment that bothered me was when you said that madoka is just a normal mahou shoujo story + the blood .
sry if i didnt make that clear.
you said that you oversimplified it.
i was disagreeing with that statement
for a more interesting discussion. ( and i can totally see why and how you would disagree with me on that one)
i believe in the objective Quality of things
for example .
>your name < is a better story then "tom goes to the store and buys poop"
i think/ assume/hope ( i really hope ) we agree on that
however we do have different biases and preferences.
we look through different colored glass essentially .
so while we might be able to determine on a number of factors that your name is the better story we are propably not going to come to a 100% understanding .
i loved kimi no na wa but once i noticed the plotholes they really started bugging me .
i dont think its plausable that taki spend so much time in mitsuhas body without noticing that they are 3 years appart even thou he uses her phone every day.
i think/ assume/hope we agree on that the idea that " kimi no na wa would be a better story if it didnt have the plotholes that it has "
its a well established story telling technique to have a plot that isnt contradictory to itself .
however .
due to our biases we might have different views on how much that even matters
the objective truth still exists but we can not quantify it in numbers or anything equivalent because there are a million aspects that go into storytelling
its kind of like philosophy
I don't really need a science lesson here, I just hoped that you'll get my point.
I'm gonna try to explain my reasoning behind that statement. Let's see:
Naruto is about a boy and a beast that lives in his tummy.
One Piece is about pirates that can't swim.
Gintama is about Jack off all trades.
Katekyo Hitman Reborn is about mafia.
Bleach is about a boy who can see ghost.
Monster is about a serial killer.
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu is about war that takes place in space.
Trigun is about a gunslinger.
Ofcourse, we all know that all of these series are so much more than that, but if I wanted to explain them in one sentence, I would probably say something like this. If someone asked me to explain Madoka in one sentence I would say ' it's a mahou shojo with a little bit of blood here and therem with a darker theme.' That's the meaning behind my first statement and I hope this clears it once and for all.
I don't really see it as a philosophy. It's a way of thinking that most of us find valid and logical. Arguably, you can find a person who's preferences are leaning towards 'Tom
goes to the store and buys poop.' As long there is person who has that kind of preferences, his 'objectively good' and our 'objectively good' are fundamentaly different and you can just debate about one of them being superior to another.