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Jul 24, 2020 10:50 AM
#1
| This is a topic that I've seen debated between users in a lot of anime discussion threads. I would like to know what your opinion is on battle shonen and action anime. Also, if you like, give an explanation for why you like or dislike it. I'm not going to judge anyone who doesn't like it. Also, try not to bash other people's tastes. Personally for me, I've been in love with the genre ever since I was a kid. A lot of people call the genres cliche because of the personalities of the main protagonists, their motivations, and the storyline. However, that hasn't been much of a problem for me. |
Jul 24, 2020 10:53 AM
#2
olajuwon20 said: This is a topic that I've seen debated between users in a lot of anime discussion threads. I would like to know what your opinion is on battle shonen and action anime. Also, if you like, give an explanation for why you like or dislike it. I'm not going to judge anyone who doesn't like it. Also, try not to bash other people's tastes. Personally for me, I've been in love with the genre ever since I was a kid. A lot of people call the genres cliche because of the personalities of the main protagonists, their motivations, and the storyline. However, that hasn't been much of a problem for me. I actually love ACTION in hentai more |
Jul 24, 2020 10:54 AM
#3
| im a man child or kid at heart so ye i still love battle shonens they are full of sakuga action that are eye candy or "rule of cool" and have motivational scenes too that i needed due to me being lazy (avolition infected all the time) |
Jul 24, 2020 10:55 AM
#4
| Love it of course. I love a good bit of action and if it has high stakes even better. I also have a preference toward male characters as I find a lot of anime female characters too wishy washy and you get a smaller number of them in shounen. Of course you still end up with your Orihime's but the action makes up for they're existence. But they can't just be action either. I like plot too. As in plot. Exception being DBZ which was mostly exposition between action. |
Jul 24, 2020 10:55 AM
#5
| I don't mind it. If the animation is sick and the music hypes me up, then I'll enjoy it. A lot of the times though, we often see the same usual tropes in shows and with characters, so depending on how they use each trope, it can be really good and unique, or it can be bland and boring/uneventful. |
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Jul 24, 2020 10:56 AM
#6
| I love battle anime as long as they are nice and violent and aren't regurgitated pussy shit like Boku no Hero Academia or that pathetically soft and childish Mob Psycho. |
☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Jul 24, 2020 10:58 AM
#7
| Currently, not so much.. Multiple shows I started and initially liked or thought was decent and had potential turned for the worse and started to become horribly inconsistent and borderline terrible. Most of them had horrible endings and just left me really irritated and disappointed in such series as of late Examples include:- The Promised Neverland Demon Slayer Shokugeki no Soma Seven Deadly Sins (didn't really like it from the start, but I felt the story took a nosedive mid-series) |
MistaAshJul 24, 2020 11:03 AM
Jul 24, 2020 11:00 AM
#8
| I like a nicely choreographed and well animated fight as much as anyone so I usually enjoy the genre |
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Jul 24, 2020 11:01 AM
#9
| I'm willing to admit that I'm not that much into battle shounen anymore, a lot of them are dragged-out, some of the typical clichés (power of friendship, fake-out "death" scenes, etc) often annoy me nowadays, so I have a hard time watching the new ones that come out. That being said, I still love the ones I happened to enjoy, they're among my favorite anime/manga. |
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Jul 24, 2020 11:03 AM
#10
| As long as the fights are incredible, Battle shounen FTW. |
Jul 24, 2020 11:03 AM
#11
| It may seem weird but I love battle shounen except the action part.It's disappointing for me if the selling point of the show is action.God of Highschool and Fire force are completely average shows which are highly rated because of their production values.The last battle shounen which impressed me was Black Clover which has decent world building.I wish we have more world building and character growth than walking tropes and action. |
Jul 24, 2020 11:03 AM
#12
| I hace grown to heavily dislike it over the years, I would dare say I hate it. There's exceptions, obviously but whenever I'm forced to watch shit like Naruto, DBZ or Black Clover I usually try my hardest at bailing half-way through or fall sleep. |
Jul 24, 2020 11:05 AM
#13
Guilion said: I hace grown to heavily dislike it over the years, I would dare say I hate it. There's exceptions, obviously but whenever I'm forced to watch shit like Naruto, DBZ or Black Clover I usually try my hardest at bailing half-way through or fall sleep. You seem to like Trigun though. What makes it so different from Naruto? Is it because it's short? |
☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Jul 24, 2020 11:19 AM
#14
| i like it to some extent. I don't mind with a lot of cliche like the obvious righteous MC, spiky hair, creeplord rivals, similarities in arcs with other series (like tournament, exam, and other stuff). i found that cliche is the charm on shounen type genre, but in the end, it depends on how the character carries on the story and how the plot goes. i like how they goofing around and later going apeshit. and also the right amount of fanservice. i don't hate it, but sometimes some series just... going overboard and ruin the whole story |
Jul 24, 2020 11:26 AM
#15
Jul 24, 2020 11:37 AM
#16
| They are decent enough to mindlessly watch, even if they have a load of problems. That's what i like about them. Don't have to pay serious attenton. |
Jul 24, 2020 11:54 AM
#17
sonofbatmanrp13 said: It may seem weird but I love battle shounen except the action part.It's disappointing for me if the selling point of the show is action.God of Highschool and Fire force are completely average shows which are highly rated because of their production values.The last battle shounen which impressed me was Black Clover which has decent world building.I wish we have more world building and character growth than walking tropes and action. I like both Black Clover and Fire Force. As far as the God of High School anime, I think it is pretty good as far as the action and premise of the story. My only complaint is that it's very fast-paced. I don't know if it's naturally like that in the manhwa. |
Jul 24, 2020 12:12 PM
#18
EndlessMaria said: You seem to like Trigun though. What makes it so different from Naruto? Is it because it's short? Trigun is seinen. I'm adding this second line because MAL's character limit won't let me just leave it at that. |
Jul 24, 2020 12:24 PM
#19
Guilion said: EndlessMaria said: You seem to like Trigun though. What makes it so different from Naruto? Is it because it's short? Trigun is seinen. I'm adding this second line because MAL's character limit won't let me just leave it at that. Okay. It seems to suffer from many of the same childish tropes of shonen, which is why I'm asking. Not to be deflected by the demographic lmao. I legit wonder why you enjoy Trigun. |
☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Jul 24, 2020 1:17 PM
#21
mhkr said: Hmm, they're okay I guess. I prefer SoL shows though Amen. Though, nowadays it is kinda problematic to find a good sol. |
Jul 24, 2020 1:24 PM
#22
| Okay, I guess. It's not really my type of show, but I enjoy some of them nonetheless. Battle shounen tend to be overrated on MAL. |
Jul 24, 2020 3:16 PM
#23
| I love them, I realize that they tend to be formulaic and have very little subtly but I don't really care. I can't explain it really, it just barely bothers me I like anime primarily by how much I'm invested in the characters and the shounen I enjoy the most are the ones that have the most heart put into their cast and character interactions like Gintama or Gurren Lagann. In my experience anime that are more, for lack of a better word, advanced tend to sacrifice that heart to say something profound, but to me, I'm not going to be interested in what a show is trying to say if I'm not invested in the characters and what's happening to them. |
Jul 24, 2020 3:38 PM
#24
| I love battle shounen, but 'action' as a vague genre can be very hit or miss. There are a bunch of ways of making me enjoy action - contextualization, certain tropes, great sakuga, stylish delivery, interesting strategies etc... but I don't enjoy action per-se. There's also different types of fights that vary a lot in terms of how enjoyable I find them to watch (swords, hand-to-hand, guns, mecha, magic etc...). That all makes it very hit or miss. The problem is that if action scenes don't hit at least one of the marks I mentioned above, they are usually very tedious and boring to watch, at least for me. Because in the end they're just very long-winded ways of resolving conflict, often with a lot of stalling, and if I'm neither emotionally involved nor aesthetically pleased I just want it to be over. Or to put it differently, I think by default talking is the more interesting way of conflict resolution because the options for how to go about it are so much more varied, while action scenes kinda have to work for it a bit harder to overcome the handicap of just being a much more streamlined way of interaction. That's just talking about fights tho. They are the vast majority of what 'action' means on MAL tho, so I think that's fair. There's other stuff like car chases, and that can be cool, but for the most part I think equating action with fights in this context makes sense. |
AlcoholicideJul 24, 2020 3:42 PM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Jul 24, 2020 3:40 PM
#25
| I enjoy them Not going to act against my real taste to be called edgy(more like demi-edgy) |
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Jul 24, 2020 3:49 PM
#26
As a Trigun fan I'm triggered and disappointed AF. |
Jul 24, 2020 3:52 PM
#27
EndlessMaria said: Guilion said: EndlessMaria said: You seem to like Trigun though. What makes it so different from Naruto? Is it because it's short? Trigun is seinen. I'm adding this second line because MAL's character limit won't let me just leave it at that. Okay. It seems to suffer from many of the same childish tropes of shonen, which is why I'm asking. Not to be deflected by the demographic lmao. I legit wonder why you enjoy Trigun. Well, I don't think it has got to do with length because I watched the entirety of D Gray Man and I even rated it high. I think in the case of Trigun it has got to do with the characters and the narrative structure. Trigun, along with other action series such as Black Cat are character-centric rather than ability or world centric. While arcs are often dictated by changes in the world or actions enacted by the main antagonist the narrative never leaves the protagonist's point of view and has the characters constantly change along with the world rather than react to it. On that note fights are often fast, never lasting more than a couple of chapters and serving only as a means towards an end rather than entertainment or as tests; with fights happening often at random and with little to no buildup for the protagonist to get ready for it and with really harsh consequences carried for losing them, not only at the expense of the main character but also at the expense of people around them. Finally there's the matter of the goal, in most series the goal changes with each arc depending on whatever situation the author decides would be interesting for the characters to find themselves in but in Trigun or Black Cat the ultimate goal always stays the same and the only real change that happens is what actions the character is willing to perform in order to reach that goal as per their growth and ultimately the goal is reached. I think this is the best explanation that I can give about why I like it without giving away spoilers. |
Jul 24, 2020 4:03 PM
#28
| @Pullman I separated action as it's own category since I know that some fighting anime may not be all created under Shonen Jump. So I think your answer was appropriate to the subject of the question. I was always under the impression that action anime fell under the category of shonen. But I came to realize that shonen references a demographic of young male readers and/ or watchers. |
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Jul 24, 2020 4:10 PM
#29
| My favorite manga is One Piece and anime HxH in the battle shounen genre and that's the end of it. I think the whole genre is full of generic stuff these days. I've read Black Clover, Jujutsu Kaisen, Dr.Stone and watched BNHA but none of them are any close to the old stuff like Jojo, Yu Yu Hakusho or even Naruto. So i think battle shounen is like 6-7/10 as of the current Shounen Jump state. |
Jul 24, 2020 4:15 PM
#30
| when I first started whatching anime , shonen was my fav genre but after some time my love for that genre got decreased , I still whatch some shonen from time to time , but not as much as I used to be |
Jul 24, 2020 4:22 PM
#31
| I love battle shounen most of my favorites tend to fall into this type of anime I have loved anime like this since I first got into anime and my taste has changed very little. |
Jul 24, 2020 4:30 PM
#32
| I've never liked it. More relevantly the prevalence of it among the fanbase kept me away from anime for a very long time. When the majority of what you have ready access to is Dragon Ball or Sailor Moon it's pretty easy to dismiss the entire medium as not really being for you. It was too easy to regard the few other examples that cropped up as being exceptions rather than the rule. It wasn't until I started getting more into the community and discovering more seinen that it really opened up and I started exploring a lot of the things that I'd only been peripherally aware of. Even now the fans of One Piece, MHA, whatever the flavor of the moment is can have a pretty distancing effect on wanting to be involved with the mainstream anime community. Far too often we just aren't interested in the same things. |
Jul 24, 2020 4:34 PM
#33
| They're enjoyable as long you know they'll follow a formula, so I keep my expectations low and see where it takes me. |
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Jul 24, 2020 4:36 PM
#34
| I do not like it because I grew with the older Mecha and scifi shonen. Even before Dragon Ball, there was a thirst for super saiyans,though at least you had some good scifi and tech settings. Now that we are full with gadgets, scifi became cliche it seems in action shonen |
Jul 24, 2020 4:46 PM
#35
| Honestly, if the battle shouens and "action" have a good buildup, relate to the overarching plot, or/and have actual meaning instead of "action for the sake of action", then I'm on board... |
Jul 24, 2020 4:59 PM
#36
| I love action anime but hate battle shounen style series. The training arcs, explaining attacks, and several episode long fights are just not my cup of tea. |
Jul 24, 2020 5:13 PM
#37
Jul 24, 2020 5:15 PM
#38
| I like action but battle shounen not so much. I find it harder to get invested with the story these days, if I don't care about the characters I couldn't care less what battles they must fight to defeat yet another evil boss or save the world, which you must get invested in as well, because everything must be so unique and interesting... Well, it depends of course. Sometimes it clicks and I indeed get invested but just battles and action itself aren't enough for me to get hooked. Especially if the MC's motivation is very primitive and it feels like I've seen this countless times before. |
Jul 24, 2020 5:21 PM
#39
| Well, I have a complicated love-hate relationship with battle shonen and action animes. The love side is the worlbuilding and the artstyle (sort of...). -How does the world work? -What's its secrets? -What's its story? -What makes it so special I want to live in it? -What and who live in it? -What's theirs cultures? -What's their beliefs? -How the characters deal with it (if they don't screw it up)? -Do they have powers or special abilities from the world? -What's the ecology? Etc... The hate side is....well....everything else. -The characters (especially protagonists) tend to be very annoying. -The messages of the story are often simple and preachy. -JUST STOP SCREAMING MY HEAD OFF!!! -The "Plot armor" or "Nakama power". -First battles are often based on skills, cunning, and being resourceful but end fights go to a "Dragon Ball"-ist orgy. -I tend to support more badguys than heroes because I find them cooler, more likeable or both. -Beauty is good and ugliness is bad. Bishonen-Lolis-Pop Idols heroes vs "not pretty or cute" badguys. -Civilisation vs savage and nature. -David(s) overcome(s) Goliath(s) by brute strenght. -Horrible epic musics. (You say Run, Liberae from hell) -Humanity is the best thing of the entire creation. Like, there is no other race in the entire universe and imagination who have values like honor, friendship, courage, determination and stuffs. They must accept humans as a magnificent race or they will fall in an "epic" (god, I hate this word) way because we, humans, cannot lose! -In fantasy worlds, civilisation direction is always the same European catholic style. With kingdom, churchs, knights, etc... What about the others ethnicities? -Diplomacy is for pussies! Everything is solved with a punch in the face, with the blessing of the world. -Military highschool where we put the protection of the world on the hands of teenages. -Pop idols, lolis, and all fanservice abuse. -etc... |
Jul 24, 2020 5:31 PM
#40
| Absolutely love them. It is my fave type of anime to watch. If it has supernatural/superpower elements then it is even better. |
Jul 24, 2020 5:41 PM
#41
| If the battle shounen is well executed I like it. |
Jul 24, 2020 5:45 PM
#42
| I think that answer is pretty obvious considering what I changed my name to....I fucking hate that trash. That's why I watch it constantly. I'm one of those weirdos who spends their time watching stuff I hate... |
FanofActionJul 24, 2020 5:54 PM
Jul 24, 2020 6:12 PM
#43
| Unlike most, I actually appreciate the genre more now than during my teenage years. I was always a fan of SoL, and battle-shonen is still not a genre I willingly seek for, but now I actually appreciate all the cliches. It's just a fun, mindless watch mostly, something I need in entertainment from time to time. |
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