Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai?: Tensai-tachi no Renai Zunousen Episode 11 Discussion

teubert2 said:
I rated 4/5 because I'm disappointed Ootomo wasn't informed of Ishigami's point of view.

Then again, if she truly wanted to know why he did what he did, she would at least have asked him. Maybe collaborate with the student council. What a POS girl.

Also, huge respect to the student council and Iino. Glad Ishigami ended up together with them.

teubert2 said:
I rated 4/5 because I'm disappointed Ootomo wasn't informed of Ishigami's point of view.

Then again, if she truly wanted to know why he did what he did, she would at least have asked him. Maybe collaborate with the student council. What a POS girl.

Also, huge respect to the student council and Iino. Glad Ishigami ended up together with them.

Kyzen said:


No just no! the thing is she couldn't care less about him, and she cared more about the other guy. shit like this happens in real life. the guy was charismatic he would probably get away with it and on top of that, she probably wouldn't believe ishigami even if he told the truth. the guy was popular, ishigami was a loner, ishigami beat the popular kid. so who would believe ishigami. if by now you still don't get it then I'm sorry for you. lol

Mohammadalmannai said:


From the back story, Ootomo was nothing special to Ishigami, she is just that person that talked to him and made him happy; no prejudice.

I honestly see why Ootomo is so mad and from her point of view, unless she knows the truth (she is blind by it cuz she doesn't know the truth to begin with) hence her hatred for Ishigami.

teubert2 said:


I get the feeling you only read the top part of my comment. Read all of my comment please.

Why do I get the feeling you didn't read it? Because I already kind of wrote what you did. She doesn't want to know his side of the story. Whether or not she would actually believe him if he were to tell her however, is another story (pun unintended). Either way, like I wrote, she doesn't care about Ishigami's story. She is a sorry excuse for a person if you ask me, and I think it's good Ishigami didn't end up with her somehow.



If she made him happy, then she wasn't "nothing special" to him. I like to think it was a budding romance.

She isn't mad just because she doesn't know the truth; it's also because she doesn't WANT to know the truth. I don't think she ever, not even for one second, gave any thought to the possibility that Ishigami was defending her when probably nobody else would. Instead of finding the truth, she would much prefer to bear a grudge for years. I think she is a terrible person for preferring to bear a grudge over trying to find the truth. So, budding romance, friendship, or maybe just status quo (prior to the incident), it's good he didn't spend any more time with her. He is too good for her.

Also, screw the teacher/s who tried to make him write an apology letter also without investigating anything.

teubert2 said:


I get the feeling you only read the top part of my comment. Read all of my comment please.

Why do I get the feeling you didn't read it? Because I already kind of wrote what you did. She doesn't want to know his side of the story. Whether or not she would actually believe him if he were to tell her however, is another story (pun unintended). Either way, like I wrote, she doesn't care about Ishigami's story. She is a sorry excuse for a person if you ask me, and I think it's good Ishigami didn't end up with her somehow.



If she made him happy, then she wasn't "nothing special" to him. I like to think it was a budding romance.

She isn't mad just because she doesn't know the truth; it's also because she doesn't WANT to know the truth. I don't think she ever, not even for one second, gave any thought to the possibility that Ishigami was defending her when probably nobody else would. Instead of finding the truth, she would much prefer to bear a grudge for years. I think she is a terrible person for preferring to bear a grudge over trying to find the truth. So, budding romance, friendship, or maybe just status quo (prior to the incident), it's good he didn't spend any more time with her. He is too good for her.

Also, screw the teacher/s who tried to make him write an apology letter also without investigating anything.

Kyzen said:


This is what you said.

"Then again, if she truly wanted to know why he did what he did, she would at least have asked him. Maybe collaborate with the student council. What a POS girl."

as I have said she couldn't care less about ishigami what ever he did right or wrong. i don't see why you are not getting my point on what you said? the f she cared whats true.
as I'm pointing out its very realistic in real life, some people couldn't care less about the truth. you rating it 4/5 because Ootomo didn't get Ishigami's point of view is lame, BECAUSE THE SCENARIO IS VERY REALISTIC BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOU DID AND KNOW. EVEN IF YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. YOU DONT SHOUT OUT THE GOOD THINGS YOU DO. YOU WOULDN'T SAY LOOK AT ME I DID A GOOD THING. THAT IS WHY ishigami WAS CONFLICTED ON BLURRING OUT THE THINGS HE KNEW BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BECAUSE IT WILL BACK FIRE AT OOTOMO! IF YOU STILL DONT GET THIS THEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH YOU

teubert2 said:


First of all, dude, why are you so mad?

Secondly, you said that she couldn't care less about him. That's what I said too with the words "...if she truly wanted to know...". Those 5 words are key. So, I don't disagree at all with you on her not caring about him. Same goes for the claim that certain (surprisingly many actually) people in real life don't care about what actually happened in X incident. I just wanted someone, like Kaguya at the end of the episode, to tell her Ishigami's story, even if that story wouldn't necessarily be believed at first. That is all.

Finally, why should I care that you think my rating is lame? My opinion is mine, not yours. I can however tell you what to do with me; leave me alone instead of writing hate comments.

Kyzen said:


the problem with your statement is with if's, there's no ifs not even a slight hint that she really wanted to know the truth.

also you wanting otome to know ishigami's side is still a " happy ending route", that maybe the other person will realize in the end how good x person is. that shit is bull shit. real-life ain't like that. there's lot of relationships that don't get the conclusion they wanted, stories and sides which the other person never gets the chance to hear. anyway can't blame you, its just anime.

as for ishigami's what he wanted was to protect otome's smile, and it was shown very clear what will happen to OTOME if she finds out the truth, sadly even now Otome is still attached with that cheating guy and not knowing the truth is what's protecting her smile.

anyway sorry for the caps lock.

teubert2 said:


Ah, now I get it. You don't know the definition of "if", or at least not the definition I'm using. It all makes sense now. Take a look here https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/if the definition I'm using here is "1". I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario, not what is actually happening or is going to happen. There doesn't need to be any hints for anything. It's completely valid no matter what. Why? Because it's hypothetical. It needs no justification to exist as a thought. It's like this:

If: "Wants to know."
Then: "She would do this."

While I appreciate the apology for the all caps lock, I wasn't just referring to the all caps part of your comment. We all make the mistake of accidentally pressing "caps lock" at some point while typing, if only once. What I'm really talking about is all the insults in all of your comments. Saying my opinion is "lame" isn't exactly a nice thing to say to someone, even if you disagree with them. It's also not very polite to say "if by now you still don't get it then I'm sorry for you. lol". There are more examples that I'm not going to list in this comment. Please stop insulting people solely because their opinion may or may not be different from your own opinion. Please accept the fact that they are entitled to their own opinion, and also accept the fact that their opinion does not need to be the same as yours.

Kyzen said:


The problem is you based your judgement with the IF. Which is basically saying giving all the possibility that can transpire, you dont judge it with the if of what you want but of what is. especially if the if’s has no chance at all. Its like saying if ishigami suddenly became a ninja and won the race problem solve! you basically said” 4/5 because otome didnt get to know ishigamis side” which basically means you failed to understand the complete picture. that her not knowing the trurth is whats keeping her smile and is what ishigami is trying to protect all along. that is why he keeps erasing everything he wanted to write. It was also emphasize how she is still into that guy so knowing the truth now will still be devasting to her. What iritates me is having an opinon yet not understanding the complete picture. We are all entitled with our opnions but lets not get senseless. Would it make sense if i rate it a 1/5 because it doesnt have any action on it and luffy was not on it? Would it be great to judge it by some ifs without even having the slightest chance of it happening? When its very clear what the direction of the story was for ishigami. If it's still unclear to you, its for ishigami to move forward without needing any conclusion with otome because there's more to life than your past. and for otome to stay innocent of what has transpired. Because that’s what’s keeping her smile.

If her knowing ishigamis side and she gets burned by kaguya and left crying and her heart and mind in shambles because she deserves it, even thou cleary that's what ishigami’s been trying to avoid all along and what the show keeps portraying and saying and everything which contradicts with everything that the show is fundamentally is saying. Will make you rate it a 5/5. Then okay. Nice hypothetical scenario.

Yes we all have opinions and the earth is flat! Covid is a hoax! And vaccines are scams!

teubert2 said:



No, there is no problem with my judgement based on the "IF". Why? Because it is my opinion, not yours. I can judge the anime however the hell I want. Do you get paid for this or something? Do you work on this anime or the manga? I do not believe I fail to understand anything. From my point of view, it is you who fail to understand something; that I am allowed to have a different opinion from you. Not just that, you also fail to understand that my opinion is not necessarily worth any less than yours.

I do not believe her smile would be destroyed if Ishigami told her of what happened from his point of view. Instead, I think she would get an even bigger smile. After all, that would answer one of her questions; she would finally understand why the POS dude broke up with her. I think she would get closure from all her hatred.
There is nothing unclear to me; you WANT me to be unclear when I am actually not unclear about anything. I'm not unclear, I just have a different opinion than you. I interpreted what happened different from you. Your interpretation isn't the only one allowed. There isn't anything that proves your interpretation right. You are assuming you are right, when it is a possibility you aren't. Until you can prove your opinion objectively right, or I can prove mine objectively right, both our opinions are valid. When will that happen? Probably never. I doubt the author of the manga or the anime staff are ever going to make an alternate scenario in which Ootomo is told Ishigami's story. So, neither your opinion nor mine is ever going to be proven wrong. Why? Because there will never be unbiased evidence. In the case of vaccines, flat Earth, and Covid-19, there's plenty of unbiased evidence. There is none in our case. There is absolutely zero proof that you are right and I am wrong. You want there to be proof that her heart would be in shambles, but there isn't any objective proof of that. That is why your opinion is not the only one allowed and is not worth any more than mine.

Frankly, I wouldn't give af if you rated it 1/5 because Luffy wasn't in the episode. I can enjoy watching an anime even when others are hating it. I suggest you care the same about my rating.

Kyzen said:


This is just being ignorant and stubborn, when it clearly shows that didn't understand the episode. it seems like you watch a different show than what i did. funny how people can't accept the facts. you don't seem to get me here that having an opinion isn't the point here. its about the basis of the opinion.

i've clearly said the points that has been emphasize in the show. clearly you need to rewatch it again like 1000times.

ishigami erasing the things he wrote in the paper
otome still visiting ishigami because of what he did, and its been clear that she still wants to reconnect with that guy.
kaguya saying so thats what you wanted to protect " shows show otome's smile
ishigami surrounded by the everyone he cares about, and seeing that his past doens't matter now. that he has to move forward.

or do you want me to go word by word?

IM NOT INTERPRETING. ITS CLEARLY WHAT THE SHOW IS SAYING.

Nainu_ said:
OMG!!! Ishigami!!

It must've been hard for you to go through all that hellhole. All that pain, suffering, anxiety, paranoia, it really took a deep toll on your mental health.

But you persevered, your principles were never compromised and most of all: the chad Shirogane helped you out into the light from the darkness. He also formed a secret investigation team just to prove that you were right all along.

Yep, that opening up to people scene reminds me of A Silent Voice.


As for Otomo : GO TO HELL, BITCH. Clearly, Ishigami doesn't deserve you.

Best episode so far!

teubert2 said:


No, you are interpreting. How? Because there is no objective proof. With no objective proof, I interpreted it this way (reply to the four points of yours):

1. Ishigami erased what he wrote, or didn't write anything at all, because he was afraid of what was going to happen (he was threatened by her bf) + he couldn't get himself to say he was wrong when he was in the right. It can be quite painful to admit you're wrong when you're not.
2. Ootomo visited for her friends' sakes + Ishigami (to being an arse to him) + probably also for a potential meeting with ex (because she doesn't know better).
3. It doesn't matter whether Kaguya wants to protect Ootomo's smile or not. We don't know if her smile would actually be ruined. That's an assumption on your part. The road to hell is paved with good intentions; Kaguya may want to protect the "smile", but what proof exists that this current "smile" isn't inferior to a new one gained via enlightenment?
4. I agree with that.

I will say it again; there is no objective proof of anything. No one has made an official alternate scene in which Ootomo does not stay ignorant.

Rewatch it 1000 times? I have a life but thank you for the suggestion. I might consider it when I stop having a life and start caring about people rating my favourite anime 4/5 instead of 5/5.

shanimebib said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Ever considered for once why Ishii, despite of being a social shut-in, doesn't forget Miyuki's birthday and gives him a birthday present? Or Miyuki, despite of his take on birthday itself, shares his with Ishii? The most beautiful relationship in this story is probably the bromance between these two. The purest of them all.

That being said, I have said it time and again, as much as this has been an eye opener arc for Ishigami Yuu, what really is shown in this arc is the OP that is Shirogane Miyuki - A guy worthy of being the Protagonist amongst protagonists. Shirogane Miyuki has done it time and again throughout the story like he did in the fireworks, during the elections and here in the sports festival. People sure don't rate him high enough.

I have to mention all of them. Kaguya, Fujiwara and Iino<3 played vital roles in this arc and demonstrated the inner goodness in them in the manga. Kaguya who brought the topic to Shirogane's attention, Fujiwara who collected intel and Iino who confronted the faculty and silently rooted for Ishii's success.

If you guys didn't rate and/or praise this anime high enough, perhaps this is when you can give it a thought so more anime fans would come to experience the Romcom of times.

Shirogane Miyuki and Ishigami Yuu. Bloody 100/10.

Kaguya-sama is a Masterpiece.

Edit: The MBS captures are so poor. Wait, the episode seems shorter.
Edit 2: Where is the mention of Shuchiin VIPs that dealt with Oogino? It makes me tad sad.

Syureria said:
I hope there will be get something next week, season 3. Even though it is hard, but it seems that hope is not zero, moreover this is A1.

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