| So.. I just wanted to start a small discussion.. Why is it, that the "Western" World lacks in my opinion the possibility of drawn movies or series.. I mean, Japanese Anime Studios bring truly moving stuff out every year, like Kimi no na wa, NHK ni youkoso, and so on, while all we get from western civilization is like simpsons, bojack horseman and rick&morty.. For me, western cartoons lack the importance some anime have, at least the ones I know... Why is it, that i.e. Germans cant make an animation about the alps or australia about one living with aboriginies and so on. If its for missing Input for animation, they could simply go to fanfic and search for random stuff.. I've red light novels on there, which are better written then some light novels which got an anime.. What do we lack to make touching animations like Japanese do.. Why this topic you ask? Well simple as that, had a discussion with a friend about this topic and we came to the consense, that every country has so much potential for good animations. But no country except Japan actually does it. And thats why we are somhow forced to only get insight on Japanese interests and lifestyles, and that some animes dont get a second season even though it was a rising star overseas.. Im happy for your input :) |
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| I think it's a difference in taste. Westerners seem to prefer to prefer a lot of these stories done in live action while animation is reserved for kids' entertainment or adult comedies. I'm not sure what has caused this difference tbh. |
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| Not true. Not only Japan makes serious animation with serious plots and so on. The US does...along with many (if not most) other nations. Watch Todd McFarlane's Spawn. It's an American cartoon that's darker than most anime. There are also plenty of western cartoons done in an anime style. And have you even seen the classic animated Disney movies like The Lion King? Most anime couldn't dream of having that level of quality. |
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SadMadoka said: Not true. Not only Japan makes serious animation with serious plots and so on. The US does...along with many (if not most) other nations. Watch Todd McFarlane's Spawn. It's an American cartoon that's darker than most anime. There are also plenty of western cartoons done in an anime style. And have you even seen the classic animated Disney movies like The Lion King? Most anime couldn't dream of having that level of quality. Yes thank you! I will definately check this one out then! I know, that Disney and Pixar artstyle simply outnumber many animes out there, there is no point in denying it. But I am interested in the fact of why there is such a small number ouf output from companies like these. Is there simply no demand? Does it take more time then an anime due to the flashy quality level? Also except from Maybe your reccommendation I cannot think of any animation especially made for adults similar to the seinen or josei genre.. If you have here any rec i would be happy to know |
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Theo1899 said: I think it's a difference in taste. Westerners seem to prefer to prefer a lot of these stories done in live action while animation is reserved for kids' entertainment or adult comedies. I'm not sure what has caused this difference tbh. This are exactly my thoughts, too. Maybe the western world has not the demands for this due to cultural reasons.. On the other hands, why are there then crunchyroll and netflix originals coming.. Maybe there is hope to see in the future more western oriented animations. |
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mstmaverick said: Yes thank you! I will definately check this one out then! I know, that Disney and Pixar artstyle simply outnumber many animes out there, there is no point in denying it. But I am interested in the fact of why there is such a small number ouf output from companies like these. Is there simply no demand? Does it take more time then an anime due to the flashy quality level? Also except from Maybe your reccommendation I cannot think of any animation especially made for adults similar to the seinen or josei genre.. If you have here any rec i would be happy to know Well, I heard the average cost to produce a western cartoon episode is a million dollars (USD) whereas it's only around $100,000 for an anime episode. Although anime tends to have higher quality background artwork, western cartoons tend to use a higher frame rate and so on. Plus Disney movies (both the traditional animation style and the newer 3DCG style) do take a considerable amount of time and money to make. I'm not sure about demand. I mean, aren't most anime sales (not to mention watchers) international? Qashi-Dema said: I find it weird how American cartoons used to have lots of action in them like in Ben 10 and Avatar but now there all for comedy There are plenty of modern western cartoons chock-full of action. The newest one I've been watching is Harley Quinn. It has the art style of 1990s superhero cartoons (especially since it's a Batman spin-off), except it's very violent and gory. (And it happens to have Venture Bros.-style humor.) |
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Qashi-Dema said: I find it weird how American cartoons used to have lots of action in them like in Ben 10 and Avatar but now there all for comedy Thats true, if I remember my childhood I can remember series like Captain Balu or the Rescue team or Galactic Football.. Well it is not like there havent been any good series in the western world, I have to admit.. However it seems in the past decade the overall quality of western animations got worse to a point.. |
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SadMadoka said: Well, I heard the average cost to produce a western cartoon episode is a million dollars (USD) whereas it's only around $100,000 for an anime episode. Although anime tends to have higher quality background artwork, western cartoons tend to use a higher frame rate and so on. Plus Disney movies (both the traditional animation style and the newer 3DCG style) do take a considerable amount of time and money to make. I'm not sure about demand. I mean, aren't most anime sales (not to mention watchers) international? Hm maybe you are right about the demand. But why is it then that animes solely focus on their home market? Not many western topics are really pulled in animes. I think some studios with a higher budget and a better artstyle such as lidenfilms or Shaft could eventually make animations solely for the US-market. Also some streaming networks already start to develop partnerships with such studios (netflix original).. Maybe we'll see more western influence in animations. Or Maybe Disney tries to make more series.. We'll have to see. But thanks for your input so far! Helped me get the gist of my thoughts on this topic also.. |
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mstmaverick said: Hm maybe you are right about the demand. But why is it then that animes solely focus on their home market? Not many western topics are really pulled in animes. I think some studios with a higher budget and a better artstyle such as lidenfilms or Shaft could eventually make animations solely for the US-market. Also some streaming networks already start to develop partnerships with such studios (netflix original).. Maybe we'll see more western influence in animations. Or Maybe Disney tries to make more series.. We'll have to see. But thanks for your input so far! Helped me get the gist of my thoughts on this topic also.. At the end of the day, most anime is technically still produced for the Japanese market. I don't know what the global sales numbers are (including streaming services), but they seem to be quite proud of doing their own thing. Personally, I wouldn't want too much western influence in anime. As for Disney's cartoon series, there are quite a few. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_television_series#Animated_series By the way, The Boondocks is an anime-inspired adult cartoon. Both the comic strip and the cartoon were influenced by McGruder's love of anime and manga.[25] He cites Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo as sources of inspiration for the series' fight scenes. The opening sequence of Season 1 contains similarities to that of Samurai Champloo. Some of the humor is based on the characters' anime-style movements.[26] In 2006, McGruder explained in an interview, "We now have a Japanese anime studio named Madhouse to help us out",[27] but at some point, the deal with Madhouse fell through.[28] Instead, MOI Animation, an Emmy Award-winning South Korean studio, handled the animation for season two onwards. As a result, the following seasons of the series have more detailed animation, as well as minor updates for most of the character designs. |
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| It's like comparing wing chun to boxing (neither of which are complete martial arts), apples to oranges, etc. For the record, it's not the medium that matters, it's the writer, cartoonist or more importantly, the individual who makes the cartoon, anime, etc. Among geniuses like Genndy Tartakovsky, Dwayne Glenn McDuffie, Isao Takahata and Hayao Miyazaki, there are a bunch of talentless, inexperienced writers in both media. Therefore, the individual matters more than the medium. |
| Market demand/perception of what animation is for. Plus while the West does over focus on content dedicated to kids and crass humour for adults it's not like they don't do serious or varied shows. Curious about checking out Tartakovsky's Primal. I like the art design and the premise is pretty interesting. Also while I am kinda of tired of crass comedy and a lot of shows aimed at kids don't interest me these genres/target markets can span a lot of good content and they have. When I was out of anime I got really into Western animation they can and do make good works though I do think they are way more constrained even compared to anime which runs off consumer demand almost to a fault. |
| It's cultural and because production costs. Look up animated films of Ralph Bakshi. |
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| I'll take.... >Avatar TLA >Futurama >South Park >Simpsons (Season 1 - 10) >Rick and Morty ....ahead of ANY anime.....fite me. |
Maneki-Mew said: I don't know why we have a lack of really successful animation studios in Europe either. I'd give them from the German language erea (and ofc others as well) a chance, but I think they only get budget for kids series, which isn't bad per se, but they seem to lack a lot of support. [...] Whew thanks for your comment, well as one of the commentors befor said, most of the western cartoons solely focus on crass humor for adult topics. Simpsons or Family guy i.e. focus on the satire of rl politicans and so on. Most of the western cartoons only play part for the humerous reason. Very few of the ones I know touch serious topics like psychological crisis, sickness, ... (tell me if you know such though). For me, the western genre lacks the story telling potential the eastern genre does. OKokokok of course somebody would go into walt disney, yes I give you that. Of course I was specific. As mentioned above, it would be a way to commence the cultural aspects of a country towards other nationalities. When I was in Canada i.e. The only thing I got to know is, that they still think we in Germany live in a Reich sind 1945 and we are all Nazis. That was the general consens.. IF there would be some insight on German small parts of the all day life, like joining the dav, going on hiking tours, resulting into going on an alpine tour on the Zugspitze, people mabye can feel, why this part got stereotypical in the first part. Many people, even though I wouldnt count myself to them, seem to get all their cultural Input from a country through movies.. Thats why I started the discussion. While anime nowadays focus on stuff like Koto's, outdoor camping and so on. Most western parts dont focus on anything except to make the viewer laugh, thats what it seems for me |
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Wont fight you, enjoyed TLA as much as you did, dont care for the rest as mentioned above. It is simply a matter of liking, however most of western viewers tend to see it like you so I get that it is probably a demand thing.. |
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These sound actually promising.. Will definately get more into it.. |
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TolkienFan365 said: Market demand/perception of what animation is for. Plus while the West does over focus on content dedicated to kids and crass humour for adults it's not like they don't do serious or varied shows. Curious about checking out Tartakovsky's Primal. I like the art design and the premise is pretty interesting. Also while I am kinda of tired of crass comedy and a lot of shows aimed at kids don't interest me these genres/target markets can span a lot of good content and they have. When I was out of anime I got really into Western animation they can and do make good works though I do think they are way more constrained even compared to anime which runs off consumer demand almost to a fault. I fully agree to you on this point.. I simply puke, when I have to see another Rick&Morty clone.. If you find anything with serious topics and mature story telling without being gore or something superheroish, I would be happy to get some input :) |
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| I mean yeah don't think people do cell work in animation anymore except japan, but animation is much bigger than that. I could argue there has been a boom in western media regarding animation as a whole. I could just give you list you good examples of recent western animation but I'll try explaining why I think the western world is not lacking in the animation department. I think it took a while for the US to get the ball rolling, tapping into the potential of animation due to Japan's increased influenced on western media. I also think with the help of shows like south park, boondocks, aqua teen hunger force, producers finally realized that animation wasn't just for kids. Now here we are in the western boom of animation. Heres a list of my personal movie favorites; kubo and the two strings spiderman into the spiderverse isle of dogs coraline lego movie fantastic mr fox (not to mention ur normal powerhouses like disney and pixar) Rango Carton Network and nickelodeon keep coming out with bangers like adventure time Regular Show flapjack gumball we bare bears steven universe legend of korra avatar spongebob invader zim I mean, netflix is already takin strides too: castlevania Bojack love death and robots dragon prince neo yokio voltron hilda midnight gospel Voltron |
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| Here's what I'm thinking, and this is only a theory really. The American film and TV industry has an enormous budget to work with because it creates almost the entire world's entertainment. The fact that there's so much consumption of American media means that a huge amount of money from all over the world has flooded into American companies. Netflix alone for example owns 34 billion dollars in assets and has a revenue stream of 20 billion a year. With this much money, it makes sense why they are able to fund so many TV series. This means that American companies are capable of creating a large quantity of high production value live action movies and TV shows at a rate far exceeding the rest of the world's capability to do so. This includes Japan. Japanese cinema is notorious for not having the same level of special effects as American cinema does. Godzilla films have some of the highest budgets out of all films made in Japan and they still are notable for not having the same level of special effects as American Godzilla films do. Godzilla GMK for example had pretty decent special effects, but nowhere near the level that Godzilla 1998 did. Regardless of the quality of the movies themselves (personally I like GMK much more) you can't deny that the American Godzilla movie clearly had a significantly higher production budget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_pSsZLYJKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YgrYhXU6wM So how does this relate to anime? Well, live action cinema in Japan has really struggled and American movies, just like everywhere else in the world, do better in Japan than actual Japanese films do because of the financial advantage that America has. Out of the top 36 highest grossing films in Japan, only 10 of them are actually Japanese. So how do you create something with the same level of special effects as America's live action films and TV series? You draw it. With animation, you can create TV shows and movies that visually look just as good as American TV shows. In some ways, you can give it your own unique look that Hollywood can't do. Anime can be much more colorful than hollywood, it can also be much darker, it has its own unique touch to it. There's many things you can do with animation that are actually difficult to do with live action. In addition, animation can be produced much more cheaply than live action. With animation, you only need to pay people to draw it and add some digital effects. With live action, you need actors, sets, cameras, extras, and a special effects team. So basically, animation is crucial to the Japanese entertainment industry's strategy to competing with US products. Animation is the only way they can really create TV shows that look as high budget as American TV shows but on a lower budget. Japanese animation has grown to have a very loyal customer base in Japan itself, which is beneficial to Japanese companies, and in recent years, Japanese animation is the primary reason why the Japanese entertainment industry is the only one that can sort of compete on a global stage with American entertainment. |
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deg said: aeon flux, spawn, spicy city are some of the ones i can think but ye we need more of that I had no idea you've seen Spawn! That's one of my favorites. I have the metal DVD box set. ohml said: I also think with the help of shows like south park, boondocks, aqua teen hunger force, producers finally realized that animation wasn't just for kids. Back in the 1980s, it was common for western cartoons to be quite violent and gory. This was also more prevalent in anime during that time. FlowersInTheRain said: Western cartoons are far better than anime. Western cartoons are sooo different from one another form the stuff for kids to the stuff for adults. They can have sexual themes too or be educationtional without being boring or cringy. The humour is actually humourous The only funny anime I have seen is a borderline hentai (Ishuzoku Reviewers). There shoud;n't even be a category for comedy in anime. Comedy in anime IS a joke! Romance in anime IS a joke. Anime could be so much better. In the west we have some amazing animated shows. Japan not so much... If diversity is your reason for stating your preference of western cartoons over anime, I will tell you that anime is arguably as diverse, if not more so. If your list is accurate, you have watched under 2,000 anime episodes. That's more than most people, but rookie level for MAL. The fact that you have made the type of blanket statements you have demonstrates that you are not in a position to honestly make them. I've seen over 9,000 anime episodes if you count rewatches, but have seen perhaps twice as many cartoon episodes. I can confidently say that, despite my mention of classic Disney movies exceeding the overall quality of most anime, the average quality of anime is blatantly higher than the average quality of western cartoons, in terms of plot, artwork, music, etc. Anime has shows (and movies) for all age groups, from young children to adults only stuff (with ultra-violence, sexual content, strong language, etc.). Humor is subjective. My favorite comedy anime is School Rumble, which made my brother (who claims to hate anime) and I fall on the floor laughing. I have legit never seen a romance-oriented cartoon that could come close to romance anime, so I don't know what you're talking about there. My suggestion would be to watch more anime. hehe |
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SadMadoka said: ohml said: I also think with the help of shows like south park, boondocks, aqua teen hunger force, producers finally realized that animation wasn't just for kids. Back in the 1980s, it was common for western cartoons to be quite violent and gory. This was also more prevalent in anime during that time. You got any recommendations? Not really an old school watcher. When i think of 80s cartoons i think about superheros and ninja turtles, didn't know there was much more too it. |
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SadMadoka said: Not true. Not only Japan makes serious animation with serious plots and so on. The US does...along with many (if not most) other nations. Watch Todd McFarlane's Spawn. It's an American cartoon that's darker than most anime. There are also plenty of western cartoons done in an anime style. And have you even seen the classic animated Disney movies like The Lion King? Most anime couldn't dream of having that level of quality. I'm glad that there are people who acknowledge Todd McFarlane's Spawn. That show is fantastic. Probably one of the darkest yet beautiful cartoons to date. Also, Batman The Animated Series and Batman Beyond are great shows similar to Spawn. Even though they're made for kids, they can be appealing to adults thanks to their dark atmosphere and characters. |
ohml said: You got any recommendations? Not really an old school watcher. When i think of 80s cartoons i think about superheros and ninja turtles, didn't know there was much more too it. Unfortunately, neither am I. I saw documentaries about them, but they seem to have been taken down from YouTube, so I can no longer link them. (Whereas violent anime are easy to find.) Instead, I will just recommend Spawn (from 1997-1999), since it's being mentioned more now. Edit: Perhaps some of these could qualify. (Although I've seen some on the list that don't.) https://www.cbr.com/horrifying-80s-cartoons/ EpicSaxGuy said: I'm glad that there are people who acknowledge Todd McFarlane's Spawn. That show is fantastic. Probably one of the darkest yet beautiful cartoons to date. Also, Batman The Animated Series and Batman Beyond are great shows similar to Spawn. Even though they're made for kids, they can be appealing to adults thanks to their dark atmosphere and characters. Indeed. There's actually going to be two new Spawn series: one for a younger audience and the other for adults. I used to watch those Batman series all the time. I keep up with the new Harley Quinn series as well, which I touched upon earlier. |
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| Well this has been a very serious topic for a lot of years, but the thing is both have their own ups and downs. Anime is usually an adaptation of already written Manga series meanwhile western cartoons are usually created from creators minds and imaginations. This is the main thing I love about western studios and the way they barely adapt to anything expect some old fairytales or mythology. Now when it comes to the thing that Animes seem to have lower budget than western cartoons and manage to use every single bit of their budget to make something incredible is really amazing. Same goes for movies, look at some Blue Sky or Disney studio animated films after 2000s and their budgets, then you look at Japanese anime movies made in 80s or 90s and their super low budgets. While big studios in west spend 100mil + dollars on a movie that doesnt have animation or sound quality as good as something made in 20th century japan ( I'm only talking about a few movies not everything that disney produced)for a few million dollars (still looks same even after years of inflation). So yeah anime studios seem to use every bit of money very carefully and smartly, while big west studios raise question marks on what exactly in that movie costed 100 mil $ + to make. Of course there is absolutely no denying that Disney and Pixar manage to make outstanding quality animation but their films also seem to be aimed towards children unlike many anime movies from Japan who seem to like aiming older audiences with their serioius takes on certain aspects of movie. Feel free to reply to this if you wan't me talk about this futher, I haven't seen that many anime movies but I've seen a ton of what western has to offer |
| Wow, it makes me somehow smile a bit, that with this post, people start arguing about it without being total doushes.. Never seen like that at mal (for at least my rookie level). So what I got out of it so far is, that Western Studios do not really lack the quality or output the eastern part does, but they do lack general audience. Most cartoons are distributed for children, while there are just a view truly regarding more adult themes like Spawn and such. And Cartoons in general seem to have a more humoristic approach while anime splits into more serious patterns. Thats what I got out so far. However, one point I already recognized is, that this battle is solely America vs Japan (+China and Korea). I have yet to hear of popular European Studios, and ask my self why there are none It also seems that there is a much bigger potential because of the gap in income between the two big markets. Western animations put their money into superb quality, while Anime as such strightly goes into quantity mostly. You can see this point somehow, when you compare the length of the series. Many modern animes tend to have 12 - 24 episodes, while cartoons go waaaay above that.. This means for me, that japanese industry is more efficient in giving the viewers a broad perspective of many different topics, while cartoons tend to get their viewer bound over a long time. |
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ohml said: I think it took a while for the US to get the ball rolling, tapping into the potential of animation due to Japan's increased influenced on western media. I also think with the help of shows like south park, boondocks, aqua teen hunger force, producers finally realized that animation wasn't just for kids. Now here we are in the western boom of animation. Heres a list of my personal movie favorites; Oh I saw quite a bunch of those I have to admit. However, I feel most of the mentioned cartoons are limited to children viewers. That I recognized over this whole post so far. And it seems that the ones for the more mature viewers like bojack actually seem solely to focus on humorous parts, neglectic the approach of serious topics, as mentioned from some, there arent really that many |
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Figva said: Well this has been a very serious topic for a lot of years, but the thing is both have their own ups and downs. Anime is usually an adaptation of already written Manga series meanwhile western cartoons are usually created from creators minds and imaginations. This is the main thing I love about western studios and the way they barely adapt to anything expect some old fairytales or mythology. Now when it comes to the thing that Animes seem to have lower budget than western cartoons and manage to use every single bit of their budget to make something incredible is really amazing. Same goes for movies, look at some Blue Sky or Disney studio animated films after 2000s and their budgets, then you look at Japanese anime movies made in 80s or 90s and their super low budgets. While big studios in west spend 100mil + dollars on a movie that doesnt have animation or sound quality as good as something made in 20th century japan ( I'm only talking about a few movies not everything that disney produced)for a few million dollars (still looks same even after years of inflation). So yeah anime studios seem to use every bit of money very carefully and smartly, while big west studios raise question marks on what exactly in that movie costed 100 mil $ + to make. Of course there is absolutely no denying that Disney and Pixar manage to make outstanding quality animation but their films also seem to be aimed towards children unlike many anime movies from Japan who seem to like aiming older audiences with their serioius takes on certain aspects of movie. Feel free to reply to this if you wan't me talk about this futher, I haven't seen that many anime movies but I've seen a ton of what western has to offer Yeah the budget seems to be horrendly high in the western front. However it seems that a reason for this is not necessarily the quality, but the lenght of this cartoons. Most of the western animations seem to have several hundreds of episodes, which will definately eat a lot of budget, if kept in mind that most of them are made prelaunch. It is just a thought of me though. I think it is somehow stereotypical for western animations to have an indefinite high amount of episodes per series.. a proof for that could be, that animes, which are famous in western regions have this lenght too, like naruto, fairy tale, hunterxhunter, digimon and so on. Maybe it is a cultural aspect, but in my opinion i dont like this fact. Cause it limits the studios with certain genres instead of the eastern approach with max 24 episodes |
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mstmaverick said: It also seems that there is a much bigger potential because of the gap in income between the two big markets. Western animations put their money into superb quality, while Anime as such strightly goes into quantity mostly. I still think the average quality of anime is notably higher than the average quality of cartoons, in so many respects. I am constantly in awe by the gorgeous artwork in anime. Cartoons tend to look bland and one-dimensional by contrast. The music in anime is sublime. Cartoon soundtracks are usually underwhelming to me. Anime often have far more intricate and interesting plots than cartoons. You get the point. mstmaverick said: You can see this point somehow, when you compare the length of the series. Many modern animes tend to have 12 - 24 episodes, while cartoons go waaaay above that.. mstmaverick said: Yeah the budget seems to be horrendly high in the western front. However it seems that a reason for this is not necessarily the quality, but the lenght of this cartoons. Most of the western animations seem to have several hundreds of episodes, which will definately eat a lot of budget, if kept in mind that most of them are made prelaunch. It is just a thought of me though. I think it is somehow stereotypical for western animations to have an indefinite high amount of episodes per series.. a proof for that could be, that animes, which are famous in western regions have this lenght too, like naruto, fairy tale, hunterxhunter, digimon and so on. Maybe it is a cultural aspect, but in my opinion i dont like this fact. Cause it limits the studios with certain genres instead of the eastern approach with max 24 episodes You're only looking at the popular cartoons. If you go deeper, you'll see that the majority are comparatively short. There are many popular ones that aren't particularly lengthy as well. Also bear in mind that some have two episodes in one, such as Invader Zim, which has "twenty-seven episodes split into forty-six episode segments". As for the budget, I covered that the average production cost for a cartoon episode is around a million bucks. Some (like The Simpsons) can cost multi-millions while there are others that are under half a million. But it's important to remember that production cost is not synonymous with quality. |
SmugSatokoMay 4, 2020 9:22 AM
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FlowersInTheRain said: I think that Western music is better though I have dedicated my existence to music, and don't think it's even half as good. (To be clear, I'm talking about music in anime vs music in cartoons, not the broader topic of eastern vs western music. Anime soundtracks have plenty of "western" music too.) I rarely hear music in western cartoons that captivates me, whereas it's a constant phenomenon with anime, in my own experience. But to each their own. FlowersInTheRain said: What are your thoughts on anime vs cartoons in each decade? Are you asking for an in-depth comparison between the two mediums for each decade? Oh, gosh...that's a bit too much to ask. I'm the type of person who would much rather partake in the thing itself than publish a review of it, ya know? Anyway, what I said (that is, my opinion) applies to all the time periods I'm familiar with. (There's definitely a special place in my heart for 1990s cartoons and anime.) At the end of the day, I love and watch both, and would never want to be stuck with only one. |
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SadMadoka said: I still think the average quality of anime is notably higher than the average quality of cartoons, in so many respects. You're only looking at the popular cartoons. If you go deeper, you'll see that the majority are comparatively short. There are many popular ones that aren't particularly lengthy as well. Also bear in mind that some have two episodes in one, such as Invader Zim, which has "twenty-seven episodes split into forty-six episode segments". As for the budget, I covered that the average production cost for a cartoon episode is around a million bucks. Some (like The Simpsons) can cost multi-millions while there are others that are under half a million. But it's important to remember that production cost is not synonymous with quality. Well I just made a quick resumee out of the overall feedback I got so far, not my personal opinion. Cause in my opinion I agree with you. The usage of sounds and music in anime is by far more fitting to the scenes than it is the case in cartoons. At least for me, when I think about animes such as Yuru Camp, Sora yori, Your lie in April, Kimi no na wa and so on... Actually maybe im not deep enough into cartoons, as I havent prob. watched thousands like you did, but nevertheless I get the overall feeling, that cartoons in general seem to be longer than animes.. but it can just be my personal opinion.. |
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MAYOIII said: they entertain differently most anime care more about storytelling while cartoons tend to focus on (adult)humor (situational irony in particular and political satires at time) That is pretty much the feeling I get from it, too. Which makes me ask why is that so. Maybe because, when speaking of western cartoons, in general you speak about American studios. I barely know any good in europe. Maybe they would approach them differently.. |
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FlowersInTheRain said: Western cartoons are far better than anime. No offense but.....were you dropped on your head? I can think of maybe five shows that can even compare to the best titles of anime. They don't do anything better than anime already does....aside from using more animation frames, maybe. And big deal. Ah wait, I guess they pander way more to SJWs these days and shove all this PC woke crap down your throat than anime does...which makes them a lot worse for ME, anyway. |
ChiibiMay 4, 2020 11:09 AM
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Oh I am SURE we did....lol Which 5 cartoons are on your mind as the best ones? Idk Gravity Falls, Star Vs. The Forces of Evil, Batman The Animated Series, Avatar, and Samurai Jack are GOOD but....I don't think they really do anything BETTER than my top five anime. AND most of them wouldn't exist without the influence of anime anyway I just think that cartoons are better than anime. How can they possibly be? "Better" in WHAT way?! That makes no sense. Western cartoons have extreme limitations. Anime has pretty much zero limitations. Anime has better plots, art, character writing, relationship writing, opening songs, and design. Western Cartoons are made for little kids and adults who are looking for a cheap laugh, maybe. Anime is made for boys, girls, adult women AND adult men. Western cartoons can't do anything "better" than anime. Maybe make Westerners laugh more...but that's the difference in cultural humor, not because the comedy writing is superior. |
ChiibiMay 5, 2020 3:06 PM
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Peaceful_Critic said: @Chiibi Isn't anime limited due to budget and time restraints? I wouldn't say they have pretty much no limitations. *sighs* I'm talking about imagination. Writing. For example, kids' cartoons are barely even allowed to KILL a character off but anime can do this all the time. |
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