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Oct 1, 2009 1:22 AM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Oct 1, 2009 3:12 AM
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It seems Doflamingo is aware of Kuma's mystery... However we will probably have to wait until Vegapunk's appearance to get a real disclosure on the subject.

Anyway, I loved Buggy trying to top Whitebeard. He is such an idiot xD And Boa... no one wants to see that woman mad... It surprised me seeing her kicking Smoker's ass lol And watch out for that Jinbei PUUNNCHH~~~ it seriously pwns. Bye bye Moria.
Oct 1, 2009 4:43 AM
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OMFG, that was soooo good.
Oct 1, 2009 5:41 AM
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Already in scanlations ?
Or RAW ?:/
Oct 1, 2009 6:16 AM
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ShiroiRyu said:
Already in scanlations ?
Or RAW ?:/

The RAW is only out. And unfortunately, no script translation as of yet. :(

Still, the beginning of this chapter really depicted the mayhem of this war. Oda has done an excellent job in portraying that and even there are so many characters (big name players) that are participating in the war, it feels like Oda has adequately spent time on all of them and I have the feeling that all of them are participating at full. Great stuff, really.

And the last page with what DoFlamingo said about "Kuma not being the person you once knew" definitely plays to the theory that's been swirling about on message boards that Kuma's remaining humanity was finally erased by Vegapunk or his cyborg modifications. Of course, we still don't know anything about it, but if this is indeed true, Kuma must have known about it back at Saobody and more importantly, was there anything he could have done to prevent it.

And of course, Boa <3
Oct 1, 2009 8:07 AM
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Great Chapter once again. The theory about Vegapunk erasing Kumas last bit of his mind after the Shabaody incident makes really good sence. Anyways were talking bout
One Piece and i wouldnt be surprised if Oda comes up with something totally different xD.
Best thing about the chap is seeing Smoker in action again cause hes one of the coolest chars. Loved the little action between Smoker and Luffy. I really hope for a real 1 on 1 fight between them.
Oct 1, 2009 8:50 AM
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Hm I don't really think Kuma is dead... but we'll have to wait and see. Doflamingo could be talking about the death of his mind as vindemon mentioned.

Smoker should seriously get more screen time, hes such an awesome character but largely forgotten after the loguetown incident. On the other hand Buggy is starting to irritate me, he should just disappear for awhile. He should realize by now those people he rescued from the jail are all much stronger than him (well, actually it is them who should start realizing Buggy is a weak piece of shit)

And, yay for Luffy's reunion with Hancock.
Oct 1, 2009 9:07 AM
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ha Boa beated Smokers ass! Awesome.

Kuma is dead? how does Doflamingo know that? that guy knows alots of things.
Oct 1, 2009 9:09 AM
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"how dear you attack my beloved"
epic man

if kuma is dead whos controling him?





Oct 1, 2009 9:23 AM

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dragafire said:
"how dear you attack my beloved"
epic man

if kuma is dead whos controling him?


It is most likely a Pacifistas.

Anyways great freaking chapter. The whole Hancock scene was freaking amazing, so glad she stopped smoker, ugh so good. The whole Kuma dead at the end thing took me by total surprise, it isn't that surprising after what he did to help the Strawhats, but with the dialogue from Iva last week i thought for sure he would've been alive.

Great Chapter, Oda never ceases to amaze me.
Oct 1, 2009 9:29 AM

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Argl for Kuma if it's real...
And yey another great chapter !
Oct 1, 2009 9:37 AM

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great chapter as usual.

someone said this quote on a different forum that I found pretty interesting:

kuma: "we will not see each other again" ... [Shabondy]
Doflamingo: " Kuma is dead" .. [Warzone]
Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM

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Haha that was such a great chapter, Boa changing sides to fight with Luffy and Whitebeard&Co realizing whatever Sengoku's plan was and putting a stop to it.
Oct 1, 2009 9:49 AM

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great chapter, WB seems to have seen trough Sengoku's plan but he said it was already to late, I wonder what will happen and what the captain WB called out for is doing.
Oct 1, 2009 9:57 AM
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If Flamingo is right then I think Kuma is dead and Vegapunk transformed that body in to Pacifista

Buggy, Hancock were awesome

Luffy getting his ass kicked again :D
Oct 1, 2009 9:58 AM

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AWESOME
Oct 1, 2009 10:01 AM

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Does this mean we'll see Boa and Luffy fight together? That'd be sweet. (Also loved how Jimbei completely owned Moria)
Oct 1, 2009 10:05 AM
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Buggy and his convicts (which are most likely very strong according to Whitebeard) absolutely ruled this chapter.
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In the middle of war, Oda creates something that makes me forget that there is a #$%@ war at the moment!
Vat an epic chapter!
and vat a master storyteller Oda is :)
Oct 1, 2009 10:13 AM
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Good chapter
I think when doflamingo says "Kuma is dead", he's talkin about Kuma's mind. The world government has absolute control over him. I just that hope that if he does get defeated that he doesn't revert back to his normal self. If he does, only for a couple of second before he signs out.
Oct 1, 2009 10:15 AM

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Buggy is really such an awesome character lol, I don't see why most people hate him 0_0.
Oh! and another awesome chapter this week.

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If Flamingo is right then I think Kuma is dead and Vegapunk transformed that body in to Pacifista


I think Kuma was most probably killed by the Marines or the Government and then he was made into a pacifista and I think during the process they brainwashed kuma. sounds stupid and silly but that's the only logical explanation I can think of why he doesn't remember Iva.
Oct 1, 2009 10:21 AM

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Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yay for Boa and Luffy reunion <3
She was absolutely awesome.
Oct 1, 2009 10:37 AM

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So now Buggy and Whitebeard are allied.



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Oct 1, 2009 10:40 AM
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YES. I really wanna see Hancock's use of Haki. And if Kuma is really dead, I kinda have a feeling why he's dead.






Oct 1, 2009 10:59 AM

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someone said this quote on a different forum that I found pretty interesting:

kuma: "we will not see each other again" ... [Shabondy]
Doflamingo: " Kuma is dead" .. [Warzone]


That really makes sense now. I wonder who killed him then. Will the imperialists make a move now that Kuma is dead?

even though I doubt that kuma is really dead.
Oct 1, 2009 11:06 AM

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another awesome chapter Boa coming to the rescue was priceless. Donflamingo's comment being dead was interesting I too agree he probably got brainwashed maybe that's what Kuma meant that he will never see luffy again because he knew what was going to happen after the incident in Shabody.





Oct 1, 2009 11:24 AM

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1) On the cover, Zoro has his 3 katanas back in the graveyard, and walking past a sword in the ground with a bent quillion. Clearly not one of Zoro's 3 katanas.

2) Let the Kuma theories run wild. I don't remember the real Kuma shooting beams out of his mouth... but it didn't seem to surprise Ivankov. This one looked more like a Pacifista... but has the Bible that has been used in prior chapters to differentiate the real Kuma.

3) There's no such thing as a bad Hancock scene.
Oct 1, 2009 11:36 AM

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wow hancock came to luffy's defense, and ivanokov is still facing kuma, i wonder what they're connection is? plus moria got taken out by jimbei, lol so much for moria
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Oct 1, 2009 11:44 AM

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FUCK YEAH

Buggy made the day XD


Doflamingo as always the best character suited for awesome speeches lol)


Ralonzo said:
1) On the cover, Zoro has his 3 katanas back in the graveyard, and walking past a sword in the ground with a bent quillion. Clearly not one of Zoro's 3 katanas.


i think someone important died there) maybe a good swordsman lol) who knows
Oct 1, 2009 12:37 PM

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hell yea Boa best rescue ever over Smoker, that guy, doesn't he still owe Luffy one, whatever he act to great with that stick alone.

so if the Real Kuma is dead, then all the Kuma we've seen are clones, then why does that 1 we see act differently, maybe he is still alive and and the one that is alive is not at this war place.

and wth 3 pages with buggy too much ...
lol
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First of all, Boa <3 Omg, I just love her character more and more with each appearance she makes. XD
Second, Kuma. o__o ... is dead? So the shichibukai Kuma is just a machine? Then who was the Kuma back in Thriller Bark and Shanabody Archipelago? Sooo confusing. x3


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First of all, Boa <3 Omg, I just love her character more and more with each appearance she makes. XD

Amen to that
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Second, Kuma. o__o ... is dead? So the shichibukai Kuma is just a machine? Then who was the Kuma back in Thriller Bark and Shanabody Archipelago? Sooo confusing. x3

I'm speculating that the Kuma Ivankov is currently facing is the complete or a perfected Pacifista. that 's still Kuma but the machine side from before has eroded the human side.
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Kuma seems to have become a complete pacifista unless Oda states otherwise.

Buggy's crew seems to be really tough. makes you wonder whether or not they'll follow him for long.

Oct 1, 2009 2:50 PM

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lolz Boa to the rescue XD
dam.. what has happened to Kuma??? dead eh...
Oct 1, 2009 3:41 PM

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This chapter was ACEEEEEEmazing but I didn't like how Moria went down do easily :/ Hopefully he didn't get one-shotted.

Can't wait till Zoro's cover makes its way over to the anime.
Oct 1, 2009 3:43 PM

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Whoa~ pure delight as usual !!

Luffy & Smoker long awaited reunion as well as Hancock & Luffy's reunion <3 ^^
But... When will Luffy master the Haki ?!? So he doesn't keep his handicap toward Smoker... Teach him soon, Hancock !! (really soon...) or not ... ? He'll probably do it alone...

And Zoro's appearance at the front page !! Yeah ! It seems like it's been so~ long... Well it's been quite a while, huh ?
And there I thought Tashigi would first ask for him :P lol !

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great chapter as usual.

someone said this quote on a different forum that I found pretty interesting:

kuma: "we will not see each other again" ... [Shabondy]
Doflamingo: " Kuma is dead" .. [Warzone]

!!
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Yay for Luffy x Hancock xD! But lol @ Buggy still thinks his got it, but Kuma is dead O_O? Well I guess that explains the mass produced robot versions =/ but Jimbei got Moria good =]
Oct 1, 2009 7:14 PM
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I am shocked.. Kuma is dead? If he is really dead then it makes sense why Kuma said that they will not meet again to Luffy, but if he is not really dead and mind erased then who opened the gates of justice, when it is assumed that Kuma opened them when for a while we didn't see him among the shichibukais, I don't think he is actually dead or mind erased, well it must be pacifista there...
Oct 1, 2009 7:21 PM

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kuma is dead ? .. wtf
Oct 1, 2009 7:59 PM
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moria got taken out by jimbei

the fight isnt clear yet just cus he punched him dont mean hes down for the count we never saw jimbei walk away

kuma doesnt seem all that important to me just another person they havent built much story around him so of course hes a mystery he hasnt been much importance a few mentions of him here and there

i dont know what boa is gonna do afterthis she just put her self in a real pinch

looks kinda line the straw hat crew is gonna take her jimbei and Ivankov really will be going with luffy atleast till he gets to mermaid island
Oct 1, 2009 11:01 PM

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Lol, Moria became garbage, I would like to see Jimbei vs Kuma. Luffy vs Smoker, I missed seeing them fighting =x but Hancock vs Smoker is much more exciting o//
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kuma doesnt seem all that important to me just another person they havent built much story around him so of course hes a mystery he hasnt been much importance a few mentions of him here and there


he whooped the strawhats ass back on morias island ship thing/ he then saved the entire strawhat crew from being killed by that admiral on Shabondy/ and he has worked with luffy's dad..... I would say he is kinda important
Oct 2, 2009 12:07 AM

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btw that is not a Pacifista :)
Doflamingo was talking about his memories probably.




he atacked OARS )
Oct 2, 2009 2:13 AM

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Another epic chapter..

Luffy and Boa reunion was great. Maybe Kuma is only acting. Well we will have to wait and see.
Oct 2, 2009 2:35 AM

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Maybe the Kuma as we know is dead?
Also Hancock is awesome.
Oct 2, 2009 4:18 AM

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OMG Kuma... DEAD?????

What an interesting turn of events! Trust Oda to make us forget that a war is on at the same time. Bloody hell, that's brilliant writing!

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Yup, it's probably the memories. though the question now is, when did kuma 'die' - is it from when Vegapunk first turned Kuma into a cyborg, or was it from recently, when Kuma 'disobeyed' the marines and allowed the SH to escape?

I suspect it's the former (especially considering his intro in TB), which leads me to believe that he might still have some of his memories/personality left.

Next, Ace's attitude in this chapter completely addressed his 'whiny' reactions to people saving him (which is completely understandable, btw), and shows great maturity from him - he's better than Robin at least.

Also, WB was shown to be a great commander, very tactical but also decisive, both in commanding troops and also allying with Buggy (wtf?). I'm glad good logic was used in the latter, but I honestly didn't think Oda could make Buggy stand out this much.

But he did, and that's why Oda's great.

p.s.

I don't like that Hancock has to fight someone so lowly like Smoker, she should fight stronger people. But this would make it ok:

HouKi_bOshI said:
When will Luffy master the Haki ?!? So he doesn't keep his handicap toward Smoker... Teach him soon, Hancock !! (really soon...) or not ... ? He'll probably do it alone...


if Luffy can watch and learn from Hancock, it'll be worth it.
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I don't like that Hancock has to fight someone so lowly like Smoker, she should fight stronger people. But this would make it ok



fuck.
Smoker is not a 'lowly' character -_-
he is pretty strong and bad ass, with his sword he can easily Kill Crocodile..
so please dont say anything like this again lol
Oct 2, 2009 8:31 AM
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Suddenly, I've realized why Naruto and Bleach are so boring nowadays.....

Oda has taken all the epic from them and put it in OP.

in the onemanga translation they've translated 'angry', although, it'd be funny (or ironic, if you will) if they translated it to 'mad' since it's so obvious she's madly in love with Luffy. ohohohohohohoh my god that was so funny! She even scared me, mad as she were at smoker. And that was just when he had the jutte on Luffy.... I can't even begin to imagine what she'd do to him if Smoker actually hurt Luffy somehow.
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man her face is really scary



looks ugly :((
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