| Isekai is a subgenre of anime that revolves around a normal person from Earth being transpotprted or resurrected to a parallel universe.It is basically the fantasy subgenre of anime. The Isekai subgenre has become quite popular lately.A lot of Isekai animes have been produced in the past few years and most of them have become very popular such as Re:Zero,KonoSuba,Sword Art Online etc. Some people seem to totally hate this subgenre as the plot and other elements of Isekai animes are often overused and cliché. What are your personal thoughts on this popular anime subgenre? |
| The only good one is Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil. Most of the rest are just crap power fantasy wish fulfillment. |
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| In general I like them, got two of them in my top 10 anime. I enjoy pure fantasy shows more, but isekai is the next best thing. |
EndlessMaria said: The only good one is Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil. Most of the rest are just crap power fantasy wish fulfillment. I hate that anime lol.I remember it as one of the most boring things I had to sit through. |
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Missaliensan said: EndlessMaria said: The only good one is Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil. Most of the rest are just crap power fantasy wish fulfillment. I hate that anime lol.I remember it as one of the most boring things I had to sit through. lol I mean, it is about as boring as One Piece, with all the exposition and whatnot. I like both. But honestly for a series that is only 12 episodes and one movie so far, it's pretty great imo. |
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EndlessMaria said: The only good one is Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil. Most of the rest are just crap power fantasy wish fulfillment. I gave this a 10/10: (MC-kun is Subaru if he was smart.)  |
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EndlessMaria said: Missaliensan said: I hate that anime lol.I remember it as one of the most boring things I had to sit through. lol I mean, it is about as boring as One Piece, with all the exposition and whatnot. I like both. But honestly for a series that is only 12 episodes and one movie so far, it's pretty great imo. I know but One piece is not nearly as exposition-heavy as Youjo Senki,plus it has a colourful and interesting world,and lots of diverse characters.Youjo Senki is set in a drab,military setting with a much more limited cast and has an entirely different tone. |
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IpreferEcchi said: EndlessMaria said: The only good one is Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil. Most of the rest are just crap power fantasy wish fulfillment. I gave this a 10/10: (MC-kun is Subaru if he was smart.) The only Subaru I know of is from Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS  |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| I hate isekai in general for multiple reasons. The biggest one of course is oversaturation, while there are a few I enjoyed, most of them were garbage and there's no stopping. I don't like medieval fantasy which is a personal preference, 99% of them are medieval. the mc having an op power which isn't exclusive to isekai, but still tiring after the 100th time. But my biggest gripe with it is they don't do anything with the fact that the MC is from a far advanced place. He never tries to analyze the situation like a modern man and present modern solutions to age old problems. he ALWAYS relies on his one op skill. it's not isekai, but dr.stone did everything I could ask for in this genre. |
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Missaliensan said: EndlessMaria said: lol I mean, it is about as boring as One Piece, with all the exposition and whatnot. I like both. But honestly for a series that is only 12 episodes and one movie so far, it's pretty great imo. I know but One piece is not nearly as exposition-heavy as Youjo Senki,plus it has a colourful and interesting world,and lots of diverse characters.Youjo Senki is set in a drab,military setting with a much more limited cast and has an entirely different tone. lol i know its not a fair comparison, but I will say that I was far more bored with Law's childhood flashback during Dressrosa than I ever was at any point during Youjo Senki. But that is just my opinion. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| It has a lot of room for creativity and something interesting new. My favorite is Re:Zero |
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IrrelevantGuy said: Isekai is a subgenre of anime that revolves around a normal person from Earth being transpotprted or resurrected to a parallel universe.It is basically the fantasy subgenre of anime. More like , it's just a setting. Basically if a setting has two different worlds and a way to communicate "move" from one to another (going two way or not, being one time only or not, being through reincarnation/death or just portals or summon or anything, it doesn't matter). It doesn't need to involve earth either, a person from a fantasy world being isekai'ed in another fantasy world is a full fledged isekai. The Isekai subgenre has become quite popular lately.A lot of Isekai animes have been produced in the past few years and most of them have become very popular such as Re:Zero,KonoSuba,Sword Art Online etc. You just described isekai as being " being transpotprted or resurrected to a parallel universe" so why are you listing SAO in there? They're just playing a VR game, they're not being transported somewhere else and no parallel universe exists in SAO so it cannot be an isekai setting anyway. now onto the topic itself Some people seem to totally hate this subgenre as the plot and other elements of Isekai animes are often overused and cliché. What are your personal thoughts on this popular anime subgenre? Just like any settings, what matters is what you DO WITH IT. (note : In the following I'm just going to talk of isekai comparing it to other genres (despite the fact that it's not) because I get the feeling that the whole thread is going to handle isekai as genre anyway). 12 kingdoms,ima soko ni iru boku, Youjo senki, Escaflowne, Honzuki no Gekokujou, Mondaiji, and so on are way better stories with way better characters than most of the anime series out there. Of course like any setting or any genre, you'll get a lot of stuff that looks a lot like one another. That doesn't remove anything to the titles that stand out in there. Speaking of genre for example, if you look at detective stories, there's a massive amount of terrible ones out there. I don't remember the community giving this genre some flack due to that and they properly enjoy and praise the good detective stories while ignoring the others. Just because there's a bit of a boom in numbers doesn't change anything. There's WAY MORE ecchi anime or harem anime out there than there are isekai anime, yet I'm not seeing peoples asking for them to be removed (despite those genre producing a lot of very" questionable" series and some of the most forgettable characters out there ). The bottom line is, hating on isekai (sometimes without even understanding the definition of isekai) is currently a TREND. Influenced by anitubers (with the recent mess of vote brigading we've seen plenty how much of brainless sheep some of their follower can be) or other popular bloggers most probably, they're making peoples believe that hating on it or looking down on it is the natural thing to do and the act itself doesn't need to be questioned. Avoiding it because it's not to your taste is one thing, hating on it is another. Reality is, it can be questioned. Popular or not, there's no valid reason to hate on it.Anyone is of course free to hate on it, but don't try to hide the shallowness of your reasons to hate it behind some random half false justification given by some popular video or blog out there. |
ZefyrisFeb 18, 2020 1:39 AM
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| I don't have problem with this concept itself, it can be as good as any other anime. When done well it can lead to good fantasy plot. Nonetheless I often find Isekai series to be executed poorly. I don't think any Isekai show from the past year (sans Isekai Quartet I guess) has been good. Last good Isekai was Youjo Senki imo. But there are also some gems in this genre such as Juuni Kokuki, so it's not inherently bad. It's just latest victim of overpopularity. |
| Not really hate them, but I sure am getting bored with this genre. I still follow the sequels of what I've watched though. |
EndlessMaria said: Missaliensan said: I know but One piece is not nearly as exposition-heavy as Youjo Senki,plus it has a colourful and interesting world,and lots of diverse characters.Youjo Senki is set in a drab,military setting with a much more limited cast and has an entirely different tone. lol i know its not a fair comparison, but I will say that I was far more bored with Law's childhood flashback during Dressrosa than I ever was at any point during Youjo Senki. But that is just my opinion. I guess we have really different perspectives on this then.I can´t ever imagine myself enjoying something like Youjo Senki but Law´s childhood was easily the thing i was looking forward the most ever since he was introduced. |
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Missaliensan said: EndlessMaria said: lol i know its not a fair comparison, but I will say that I was far more bored with Law's childhood flashback during Dressrosa than I ever was at any point during Youjo Senki. But that is just my opinion. I guess we have really different perspectives on this then.I can´t ever imagine myself enjoying something like Youjo Senki but Law´s childhood was easily the thing i was looking forward the most ever since he was introduced. That's interesting. I actually put One Piece on hold for a few years after I read Law's flashback in the manga just because I was so put off by how dull and uninspired it was lol. I guess I expected more from Oda. But after that the climax of Dressrosa was goat so that makes up for it imo |
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MrZawa said: I don't have problem with this concept itself, it can be as good as any other anime. When done well it can lead to good fantasy plot. Nonetheless I often find Isekai series to be executed poorly. I don't think any Isekai show from the past year (sans Isekai Quartet I guess) has been good. Last good Isekai was Youjo Senki imo. But there are also some gems in this genre such as Juuni Kokuki, so it's not inherently bad. It's just latest victim of overpopularity. TBF Honzuki was the best isekai last year but unfortunately you didn't really gave it the time to shine before dropping it. Of course if you needed action to like something I wouldn't say that, but since you like slow paced stuff like Mushishi, you may have really liked that if you gave it more time. It's not for nothing that this show went from scoring 6.8 after one episode to scoring almost 8.1 by the end of its first season (literally being the second highest ranked non-sequel anime in Fall);as peoples felt in love with it little by little on the long run. |
ZefyrisFeb 18, 2020 1:50 AM
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| There's a few I really do enjoy. Right now, I'm watching Overlord and it's pretty good from what I've seen so far and I'm interested in what the series has to offer still, then I found Tensura to be cute. My favorite isekai, though? .hack//SIGN. That started everything for me and I don't think I'll find a series that was as good as that one was. |
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solariszero said: My favorite isekai, though? .hack//SIGN. That started everything for me and I don't think I'll find a series that was as good as that one was. Just like SAO , that's not an isekai though. They're just in a VR game. imO the best thing about .hack//sign was the music and the art (both character design and background) which were both gorgeous. The story itself and character development wasn't that great. |
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EndlessMaria said: Missaliensan said: I guess we have really different perspectives on this then.I can´t ever imagine myself enjoying something like Youjo Senki but Law´s childhood was easily the thing i was looking forward the most ever since he was introduced. That's interesting. I actually put One Piece on hold for a few years after I read Law's flashback in the manga just because I was so put off by how dull and uninspired it was lol. I guess I expected more from Oda. But after that the climax of Dressrosa was goat so that makes up for it imo Not gonna lie,I love Corazon.He was one of the central figures in Law´s flashback and he´s an amazing character,in terms of how tragic his death is and how he differed from his brother. |
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Zefyris said: solariszero said: My favorite isekai, though? .hack//SIGN. That started everything for me and I don't think I'll find a series that was as good as that one was. Just like SAO , that's not an isekai though. They're just in a VR game. imO the best thing about .hack//sign was the music and the art (both character design and background). The story itself and character development wasn't that great. My apologies for mixing them up! The music and art were great and I can see why you say that the story and character development isn't that great. I did enjoy it when I was watching it growing up. |
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Missaliensan said: EndlessMaria said: That's interesting. I actually put One Piece on hold for a few years after I read Law's flashback in the manga just because I was so put off by how dull and uninspired it was lol. I guess I expected more from Oda. But after that the climax of Dressrosa was goat so that makes up for it imo Not gonna lie,I love Corazon.He was one of the central figures in Law´s flashback and he´s an amazing character,in terms of how tragic his death is and how he differed from his brother. I agree with what you said within the context of the story. I guess Corazon just didn't capture my heart due to that entire flashback appearing at that point in the arc, greatly dragging down the pacing of the plot which was already a mess during Dressrosa with so many characters to focus on. I imagine reading it in bulk as opposed to weekly would improve the impact. |
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| I like the concept a lot. My favorite is Digimon Adventure. |
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EndlessMaria said: Missaliensan said: Not gonna lie,I love Corazon.He was one of the central figures in Law´s flashback and he´s an amazing character,in terms of how tragic his death is and how he differed from his brother. I agree with what you said within the context of the story. I guess Corazon just didn't capture my heart due to that entire flashback appearing at that point in the arc, greatly dragging down the pacing of the plot which was already a mess during Dressrosa with so many characters to focus on. I imagine reading it in bulk as opposed to weekly would improve the impact. I mean i´m an anime watcher and imo that flashback was a nice change of pace to focus on something other than the main story.I don´t know about you,but i love flashbacks because they help to recontextualize characters,and certain events.Well i guess my least favourite flashback has to be the Ace,Sabo,and Luffy one partly because i wasn´t that invested in those characters and partly because i felt it was a bit too long and was a drag at times. |
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| For me Isekai is just another fantasy anime.Isekai itself isn't the problem but it's trope and overused cliches are.In recent years there's a boon of such shows and they are nothing but cash grabs.The isekai genre got over saturated with four or five isekais every season. But there are still good isekai out there.Even, Drifters which is in my top ten is an isekai.The genre could be explored more and I think the trend is gonna last few more years. |
| You have your good ones, and you got your bad ones. It just depends on taste and quality. Are there too many of them right at this moment? Eh, well, I wouldn't mind more plain fantasy. Anyway, I'm just hoping we're at the stage where people are going to create less. Although, what will be the popular subgenre next? Now that's a question I want to see answered. Unless it's one of the genres I don't like... then, hah, I'm just plain ol' fucked. |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| Concept is fine, there are some potentially great stories that could be told using the basic premise. Unfortunately it instead attracts the laziest, and most uncreative writers in all of Japan, so we get the generic medieval power fantasy harems instead, and do I loathe those series. It's so much easier making a successful Isekai compared to like a popular Mystery or Drama. Even when we get Isekai that stray away from the formula they're still like 50%-80% similar to the other Isekai shows. I really hope this trend dies. Not because I'm tired of seeing it, but because when it dies the only writers that stick with the dead genre are gonna be the ones that actually want to create something good with it. Maybe then we'll get some actual inspired works that aren't motivated by figurine sales. |
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Missaliensan said: EndlessMaria said: I agree with what you said within the context of the story. I guess Corazon just didn't capture my heart due to that entire flashback appearing at that point in the arc, greatly dragging down the pacing of the plot which was already a mess during Dressrosa with so many characters to focus on. I imagine reading it in bulk as opposed to weekly would improve the impact. I mean i´m an anime watcher and imo that flashback was a nice change of pace to focus on something other than the main story.I don´t know about you,but i love flashbacks because they help to recontextualize characters,and certain events.Well i guess my least favourite flashback has to be the Ace,Sabo,and Luffy one partly because i wasn´t that invested in those characters and partly because i felt it was a bit too long and was a drag at times. Sabo is my least favorite aspect of all of One Piece. For as well written as this manga is.... he just feels shoehorned in. lol Let's continue this discussion via profile messages so no one can fault us for being off topic. |
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| I generally really like fantasy series. So to me isekai is more often than not just convenient for delivering digestible levels of exposition while still being a generally enjoyable fantasy series. Like even if a show ends up being average I still consider it a net gain for enjoyment more often than not. |
| I have to say that I'm not a big fan of the isekai subgenre. I have enjoyed Tanya and Drifters quite a bit, No Game No Life is like a guilty pleasure for me, but I never liked any other anime from that genre. Re Zero had a potential to become one of my favs, but it got boring after episode five. SAO is it's own story. Konosuba and Cautious Hero are parodies on the genre, but they didn't made me laugh once. Master of Ragnarok is the only anime I ever rated 1. It was so bad that I was embarrassed for even having it on my list. I ended up deleting it. Now I don't have any motivation to watch a single series from this genre. |
| I don't really like current isekai trend. It's oversaturated and now people are coming up with all kinds of gimmicks to make it more interesting like what if protagonist was slime, hated by everyone, furry, overpowered mom.. which is fun maybe 3 episodes, but gets old and boring fast. I'm missing old school isekais that were isekais when isekai wasn't even term. There is many good shoujo isekais like Fushigi Yuugi, but no matter how oversaturated isekai industry is right now nobody is doing shoujo isekai it's just generic shonen stuff. And I feel like .hack series was better at exploring themes related to online gaming and being stuck in game than most of ur regular isekais, it's protagonist are more interesting as well like .hack signs protagonist becomes more like antagonist in the series. I feel like old isekai was more of adventure, it was more realistic take if someone ends in another world. When modern isekai is mostly wish-fulfillment.. or nightmare situation that turns into wish-fulfillment in the end. |
| It's really nothing special. Anime only wise the LN adapted ones are mediocre at best. Isekai Maou is a great "so bad, it's good" series. The story isn't anything note worthy, but the ecchi there keeps me watching. Konosuba and Kemono Michi (though it's a manga adaptation)... The jokes there are funny after a few episodes it becomes stale. No Game No Life... It's nothing to write about ngl Re:Zero, gonna be honest im not a fan of misery porn sorry to say that.. I dropped it after episode 9 Shield Hero.. It's charm is only interesting if you watch it (in my case reading it) once. By episode 6 I pretty much got bored of it. Dropped it after episode 17. The less I talk about Arifureta (at least the anime) the better. The only isekai that was interesting was ofc Digimon and Reincarnation as a Slime. |
| Isekai are just fantasy, many times i feel like the fact that protagonist was from another world could just be removed entirely from the show. I am not saying is a negative thing, let's say neutral, used because it works in these days to make the show popular |
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| It's not a premise that particularly excites me, but I don't hate it either. I may or may not watch a show in this (sub?)genre, depending on other factors. WOOT YES |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| I'd probably like it more if there were more variety in setting and aesthetics rather than just "bootleg anime fantasy MMO." Give me a isekai were the protagonist gets sent to the 1700s Golden Age of Piracy or Baghdad in the 1200s you cowards |
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| I like fantasy anime but most of isekais are the same shit over and over. |
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| Isekai are really hit or miss for me. Re:zero, Konosuba, and Ascendance of a Bookworm are three really great shows. Others that have the generic "Isekai" traits like random harem, op protag, etc. don't really strike my fancy. They have the potential to be really awesome if they don't throw everything into dumb shit. |
| When I saw the gun pointing at me from the anime user I knew I had to answer. I think the Isekai "Sub"genre is getting to much anime to be considered a subgenre. It is a genre of fantasy, but I think it is a genre itself, like Moe. |
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| Only if it's done right like Dan Machi or Konosuba. |
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| EndlessMaria said "I gave this a 10/10: (MC-kun is Subaru if he was smart.)" post number 9 So my question - what is the anime posted below the statement? I'm interested to know just in case I haven't seen it yet. Secondly I appreciate this isekai discussion, it helps me to get back on track and hunt the remaining isekai which might be a worthy try after being dismissed based on premise's first impression. I like saga tanya or gate anime because they made me enjoy military anime which I cannot enjoy watching in fmab. Off topic yea I got back into watching a full dressrossa arc so it was enjoyable to see Law's flashback with Corazon, which I would ended up getting annoyed if I am to watch it weekly or just because I dislike flashback as well. |
| Before Isekai we had a plethora of magical highschools which weren't much better. If we didn't have Isekai then something else wish fulfillment was going to take its place. |
| I treat isekais like junk food. They're bad, but it's okay to like bad things. It's much like harems in this case, but worse. I do think there are good isekais out there, you just have to search a little bit. Familiar of Zero is one, though it might just be my nostalgia talking. It was made during a time when isekais were rather niche. |
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