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Sep 24, 2019 6:04 PM
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Like with J.C.Staff and Ikkitousen. Why have mainstream studios stopped animating glorious degeneracy?
Sep 24, 2019 6:05 PM
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You know why. The SJWs are ever-present.
Sep 24, 2019 6:09 PM
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Because when you get big you can choose in what to work.

Sep 24, 2019 6:11 PM
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"Due to the current interpretation of Article 175 of the Criminal Code of Japan, which forbids distributing "indecent" materials, it is believed that most pornography in Japan must be at least partially censored." Might be a factor.

And also might have to do with the shifting demographic and interest, people just aren't as interested in glorious violence as they used to be.


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Sep 24, 2019 6:14 PM
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Because fetishes evolved and now what we want is horse idol and zombie idol.
Sep 24, 2019 6:24 PM
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Yeah, someone also explain to me how Arms started as a hentai studio but converted to ecchi in 2004. ...Though I can probably answer my own question with "because the TV series became more popular and in turn more profitable," probably the same for other studios since big anime titties aren't as poppin' as they were when Yoko Littner hit the scene.

Sep 24, 2019 6:26 PM
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Ah, I don't think SJW's or as I like to call them, crunchy roll, have anything to do with it. While studios aren't out to attack anyone, they really don't concern themselves with the opinions of the west. Incest, murder, pro tobacco, and pro gun images are still hitting the format every year. I haven't really noticed a "removal" of nudity, just not as many nude titles. We are getting that passable prime time ecchi content by the truck load though. If you want more nip slips and just the tips then support those types of manga and light novels and hope a studio gets contracted or picks em up.
Sep 24, 2019 6:27 PM
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Censorship, loss of public interest, people don’t tend to be as shocked by this stuff anymore. PG-13 sells better than R, yknow?
Sep 24, 2019 10:55 PM
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Because people fap to VR games now which are more profitable and animators moved there
Sep 25, 2019 1:39 AM

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Like others said, I think these stuff don't sell as much as they did back in the day. Arms is still making top class ecchi but with long intervals, the new ikkitousen was nice. JC Staff made Prison School but it was censored on tv, the BD looks delicious though.
Sep 25, 2019 7:30 PM

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Tinybox said:
"Due to the current interpretation of Article 175 of the Criminal Code of Japan, which forbids distributing "indecent" materials, it is believed that most pornography in Japan must be at least partially censored." Might be a factor.

Is that the one where it was an old law that wasn't really enforced anymore? Then someone brought a case citing that law, with the outcome was that fully uncensored hentai was found in violation. Up until then there was a lot of fully uncensored hentai but since then they've had to use mosaic/"blocky" censorship on certain body parts.
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Sep 25, 2019 9:45 PM

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mwalimu said:
Tinybox said:
"Due to the current interpretation of Article 175 of the Criminal Code of Japan, which forbids distributing "indecent" materials, it is believed that most pornography in Japan must be at least partially censored." Might be a factor.

Is that the one where it was an old law that wasn't really enforced anymore? Then someone brought a case citing that law, with the outcome was that fully uncensored hentai was found in violation. Up until then there was a lot of fully uncensored hentai but since then they've had to use mosaic/"blocky" censorship on certain body parts.


I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject so I don't know the exact details, sorry.


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Sep 25, 2019 10:20 PM

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Due to involve of too much nudity,it decreases ratings of anime.Sometimes better animes with little ecchi lose their popularity.
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Sep 25, 2019 10:47 PM

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kids nowadays whack it to these ecchi shorts
https://myanimelist.net/anime/35629/Skirt_no_Naka_wa_Kedamono_Deshita

(this one is from the creators of logh!)
Sep 26, 2019 1:21 PM

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IpreferEcchi said:
Like with J.C.Staff and Ikkitousen. Why have mainstream studios stopped animating glorious degeneracy?

Japan passed some BS censorship bill called the Youth Protection Act is what happened. It made stricter laws for TV censorship and put series with high echhi content out of sight with the porn in stores. Companies just haven't been adapting very many of those types of works after that. Probably because it's a time-consuming pain to cut both a censored and uncensored version of a show.

This also affected manga.
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Sep 26, 2019 2:29 PM

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phantom346 said:
You know why. The SJWs are ever-present.

They are mercifully nearly completely absent in Japan.

I noticed the same thing, though: There seems to be less fanservice/pantyshots/nudity in present-day anime than in early-2000s or 90s anime. Apart from the Youth Protection Act, it may be that toned-down ecchiness increases commercial success nowadays, because of a certain tendency towards "wholesomeness" which is common today.
Sep 26, 2019 2:55 PM

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Less demand, more money elsewhere, stricter TV regulations/censorship laws.
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Sep 26, 2019 2:58 PM
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hentai is not that profitable too anyway so ecchi might be the same just look at the top 50 ranking here on MAL is there any ecchi show there?
Sep 26, 2019 4:50 PM
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Ecchi and fanservice is as rampant as ever, JC Staff has put out a number of shows in the past decade with lots of it, but actual intense nudity is definitely more of a strict adult addition now, and most shows that do feature it are censored until home video releases.

EDIT: Also, many people who are looking for that kind of material will turn to outlets like PIXIV and other digital distribution now.

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Less demand, more money elsewhere, stricter TV regulations/censorship laws.

Is there less demand?
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Sep 26, 2019 5:46 PM

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Less demand, more money elsewhere, stricter TV regulations/censorship laws.

Is there less demand?

If there was such a strong demand for nudity in TV anime, you don't think the many, many, many struggling studios flailing about due to money problems wouldn't have exploited the shit out of that demand by now?

If desperate studios aren't desperately doing a thing, it's because that thing doesn't make money.

On a completely unrelated note, your avatar reminds me: I wish Mystery Girlfriend X didn't have the weird off-putting saliva thing at the center of its premise, because it otherwise looks like a fun series and Urabe's character design is 10/10.

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[/quote] On a completely unrelated note, your avatar reminds me: I wish Mystery Girlfriend X didn't have the weird off-putting saliva thing at the center of its premise, because it otherwise looks like a fun series and Urabe's character design is 10/10. [/quote]

Trust me it's still worth checking out even if the saliva thing doesn't do anything for you (it doesn't for me either) because the saliva thing is actually used to further the character development and themes rather than being a simple gimmick to distinguish the show from other series. Also Urabe's character design, voice and personality are indeed all 10/10 and would carry the show if she had to but thankfully she doesn't. Of course it's still not for everyone but if you like the character design that much then I'd say still give it a chance.
Sep 26, 2019 6:24 PM
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Zelkiiro said:

If there was such a strong demand for nudity in TV anime, you don't think the many, many, many struggling studios flailing about due to money problems wouldn't have exploited the shit out of that demand by now?

If desperate studios aren't desperately doing a thing, it's because that thing doesn't make money.

On a completely unrelated note, your avatar reminds me: I wish Mystery Girlfriend X didn't have the weird off-putting saliva thing at the center of its premise, because it otherwise looks like a fun series and Urabe's character design is 10/10.

But do you have proof that sales of more ecchi related content or nudity is down? From my observations, and I'm welcome to be wrong, quite a few anime that have aired in the past two seasons just this year, one from JC Staff, sell officially licensed ecchi and sometimes borderline pornographic content. You could argue people publicly clamoring for said content being down, but actual sales I would like to see.

As for MGX, you get used to the saliva plot drive quite quickly, it's worth it in every other regard.
Sep 26, 2019 8:11 PM

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I know it's only one example, but there's the Strike the Blood III OVA which has nudity in practically all of the episodes.
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Sep 26, 2019 8:51 PM

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Kruszer said:
IpreferEcchi said:
Like with J.C.Staff and Ikkitousen. Why have mainstream studios stopped animating glorious degeneracy?

Japan passed some BS censorship bill called the Youth Protection Act is what happened. It made stricter laws for TV censorship and put series with high echhi content out of sight with the porn in stores. Companies just haven't been adapting very many of those types of works after that. Probably because it's a time-consuming pain to cut both a censored and uncensored version of a show.

This also affected manga.

I'm going to get shit for this like I do whenever I express this opinion, but I've never understood the strange obsession with keeping the notion of sex hidden from people under a certain age.

Like, sure, best not to show extreme stuff to actual kids, like before they've even started to develop sexually. If only because it could confuse them and sexual maturation should happen more naturally I feel.

But teenage adolescents aren't ignorant of sex, and they know the difference between extreme depitctions, and those which are realistic to the majority of normal relationships. I hear stuff like "they'll think all girls like being spanked, or do anal or [insert other non-vanilla practise]" and I'm like... No. They won't. They don't. People will also say that they'll develop crazy fetishes and demand certain acts from their partners. Umm, how many adults are there who jerk off to the most depraved shit and then go and have normal, vanilla sex with their partner? Tons. I was one of those people (quite a while ago lol).

The same people will say violent content is fine to show 12 year olds when it's "fantasy violence" .... Ummm, hello? Double standards for violence and sex as usual.

But here's the real thing that gets me. 90% of the time we're not talking about depictions of sex, but general nudity. The gaming industry has a huge issue with sex-negative attitudes right now, where no one has a problem with the most insanely violent shit, but put a titty in your video game and people are suddenly worried about the children. Are you fucking kidding me?

I think a lot of these attitudes come from the the general sex-negativity that permeates the west and I worry is spreading to Japan. It's this notion that sex is not only shameful and morally grey, but almost like a form of violence. It's insane.
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Sep 26, 2019 9:26 PM
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I think a lot of these attitudes come from the the general sex-negativity that permeates the west and I worry is spreading to Japan. It's this notion that sex is not only shameful and morally grey, but almost like a form of violence. It's insane.


Yeah, it's always baffled me how someone could be okay with some of the most gratuitous, disgusting violence possibly conceived (and I'm fine with that shit, I actually crave some edge), but the second some skin is shown, the art police shows up. Censorship in general is something I'm super opposed to. Why are humans afraid of other humans expressing themselves? It doesn't make sense, we're all human, we share similar ideas, why is censorship even a thing?

As for that ideology spreading to Japan, I doubt it. This shit makes too much money for Japan to throw in the towel and become the morality police. They already censor indecent acts, but going sex-negativity is honestly the last thing they'd probably do, especially in a climate where the birthrate is stagnate at best. It has, however, gotten a hold of a few companies, like Sony, but they're an outlier because they moved their headquarters to California of all places, so they go censor happy. I think the difference is nothing will go away, just get flooded out. As gaming has gotten more popular, and anime is getting a little bit more popular in the west, it's not that the material isn't being made, but general overlooked by the new eyes. More and more anime is being made every year (with the exception of this Spring).

This stuff will last in the end. Look at Sentai FilmWorks and Hidive, who just got funded by Cool Japan with a grand 30 million, a company that actively licenses a lot of that material and advocates against censorship. And Japan's response again to the UN about the censorship of drawings, i.e. lolicon, telling them basically we're not doing anything about it and won't be censoring like you want.
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phantom346 said:
You know why. The SJWs are ever-present.

They are mercifully nearly completely absent in Japan.

I noticed the same thing, though: There seems to be less fanservice/pantyshots/nudity in present-day anime than in early-2000s or 90s anime. Apart from the Youth Protection Act, it may be that toned-down ecchiness increases commercial success nowadays, because of a certain tendency towards "wholesomeness" which is common today.
This is something I will never understand. What's not "wholesome" about sexual content? It's about as natural as murder and they have no problem showing that.
Sep 26, 2019 9:31 PM

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phantom346 said:
You know why. The SJWs are ever-present.


It's the opposite. It's the "think of the children" politicians who are censoring anime tiddies on TV. If you were talking about video games, I would agree with you.

Also moe blobs, idols and other cute crap became more popular somewhere in the late 2000s early 2010s.
Sep 27, 2019 1:40 AM

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Because in today's era, moe is preferred more than intense nudity.

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