Which approach do you usually employ in internet discussion/debate?
| So since discussions/debates comprise a good portion of MAL forums I wanted to have a sorta meta discussion about it. I'll give you two approaches, define them and want you to select in poll which do you fall more in line with? You can also discuss what approach you believe leads to a more meaningful discussion or how do you want your interlocutor to be etc. Agreeable:
Disputatious:
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AuronAug 7, 2019 1:03 PM
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| It really depends on the person I conduct myself to. If I know that that person is intelligent, I go the disputatious route. If I recognize that the other person has little or confused perspective, I go for the agreeable part. It's just the adaptability you have to obtain to effectively communicate with other people. But I mostly go through disputatious because the agreeable route tends to take too much word count and time to write out. In my threads, I am assertive to the point that I find is true because my threads are well-thought out. P.S fuck Ben Shapiro, he's a total dumbfuck. |
| i'll be honest here, i'm forced to choose the first option cuz i don't wanna be put in the same group with ben shapiro -___- me always open to discussion both irl or online but i also have to admit that, especially online, my mood could be a hindrance for me to have a "completed" discussion sometimes -___- |
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BlakexEkalb said: If you call his inadequate style of argumentative persuasiveness knowledge, then I concede. Yarub said: he's a total dumbfuck. Why is this such a common insult for people that actually have knowledge? How strange, maybe it makes people feel better? |
| I don't believe in "debating" with someone with differentiating opinions, as the discussion will simply turn into an argument. These days, I will often end a conversation before it gets off the ground, because if I continue, nothing good will come of it. |
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| If the other person is being cool, I'll play it cool. If the other person is being a dick, I'll call them out on being a dick and arguably be a bigger dick. I got this internet social engineering shit on lock. |
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BlakexEkalb said: Defending Mr."if the sea levels rise, just sell your house and move away" ?Yarub said: he's a total dumbfuck. Why is this such a common insult for people that actually have knowledge? How strange, maybe it makes people feel better? this comment says more about you than you realize. Anyway, purely disputatious when I'm talking to morons, something between disputatious and agreeable when I'm talking to intelligent people. Sometimes agreeable when I'm feeling kinda bad for the other person. It all depends. |
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Yarub said: It's the opposite for me. If the other person is intelligent and we can actually have a productive conversation, then I'll treat it with care. If the other person is tripping over himself, contradicting every other sentence, equivocating, lying, making invalid points that he should know is invalid for the sake of having an argumentative "out", playing dumb, or otherwise disrespecting the conversation, then I see no reason why I should baby them -- they're not my children.It really depends on the person I conduct myself to. If I know that that person is intelligent, I go the disputatious route. If I recognize that the other person has little or confused perspective, I go for the agreeable part. |
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Railey2 said: Oh shit. Could've done better with a classic John Cena's "Are you sure about that?" edit but I think I'm being too wishful.BlakexEkalb said: Defending Mr."if the sea levels rise, just sell your house and move away" ?Why is this such a common insult for people that actually have knowledge? How strange, maybe it makes people feel better? this comment says more about you than you realize. |
BlakexEkalb said: Yeah... I would love to debate Ben Shapiro. Publicly. I would shit all over that smirk and make him look intellectually short. Unfortunately, he never went to my college. Neither did that retarded "change my mind" guy.Yarub said: he's a total dumbfuck. Why is this such a common insult for people that actually have knowledge? How strange, maybe it makes people feel better? |
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BlakexEkalb said: honestly it's hilarious how you treat Ben Shapiro as this sort of argumentative heavyweight when he only appears to you that way because the people he's debating are unprepared college students, speaks fast and throws around buzzwords.katsucats said: Yeah... I would love to debate Ben Shapiro. Publicly. I would shit all over that smirk and make him look intellectually short. Unfortunately, he never went to my college. Neither did that retarded "change my mind" guy. I'd also love to box Mike Tison, sadly he isn't in my area because I'd knock that guy out and bruise him black and blue. Here's an example of him speaking to someone who isn't an unprepared college student, and he immediately embarrasses himself |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
Railey2 said: BlakexEkalb said: Defending Mr."if the sea levels rise, just sell your house and move away" ?Why is this such a common insult for people that actually have knowledge? How strange, maybe it makes people feel better? this comment says more about you than you realize. Anyway, purely disputatious when I'm talking to morons, something between disputatious and agreeable when I'm talking to intelligent people. Sometimes agreeable when I'm feeling kinda bad for the other person. It all depends. Oh man, I'm dying! I forgot all about hbomberguy. He is a highly entertaining dude. OT: Just realized I didn't give my own input to my own thread. On the off chance that someone actually cares, I'll do so. I'm usually a mix of the two but when someone has extreme ideas who sincerely believes them to be the case I try to be as agreeable as possible. They tend to be way less willing to entertain different ideas so I try my best to behave in a manner that makes them inclined to listen to what I have to say. If I was able to cast doubt on their views even a tiny bit, I consider it fruitful. |
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BlakexEkalb said: Look, I would love to present examples where he failed in argument but considering you're fawning over him like a little fangirl, it will reach deaf ears. I mean this is the reason you emasculate yourself over TV personalities in the first place. It hurts my back to bend so far down so I don't speak over people's heads.katsucats said: I'd also love to box Mike Tison, sadly he isn't in my area because I'd knock that guy out and bruise him black and blue.Yeah... I would love to debate Ben Shapiro. Publicly. I would shit all over that smirk and make him look intellectually short. Unfortunately, he never went to my college. Neither did that retarded "change my mind" guy. |
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| Here on MAL and most online forums I'm mostly agreeable if the person is not a complete troll or douchebag. When a discussion is way too heated I just see no reason to keep arguing and waste time of my life to achieve literally nothing but ego. I might push a little further when it's in my area of knowledge though. I have no problems on simply saying ''dude you won'', as I have 0 concerns of what random online people might think of me. On not so heated discussions I always like to know other people's opinions, and I'm always open to new sources of knowledge, hence I don't see it as a waste of time. |
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BlakexEkalb said: nah, I assume that you would watch this video of him, or any number of videos where he says obviously dumb shit, maybe agree that these things he says are really dumb, and then keep watching his "content" with your attitude towards Shapiro remaining entirely unchanged.Railey2 said: Defending Mr."if the sea levels rise, just sell your house and move away" ? this comment says more about you than you realize. Anyway, purely disputatious when I'm talking to morons, something between disputatious and agreeable when I'm talking to intelligent people. Sometimes agreeable when I'm feeling kinda bad for the other person. It all depends. You're assuming I agree with everything he says and does, almost as silly as those saying all FMAB fans are downvoting AoT, but I digress. Not everyone is a sheep. Which is honestly just as bad as agreeing with everything he says. You know there is more than one way to be a sheep ;) wew. Guess I'm being disputatious. |
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| I just call people names and don't actually "debate" anything. |
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Yarub said: P.S fuck Ben Shapiro, he's a total dumbfuck. Ben Shapiro is a sack of shit. I hope he dies in a brutal accident. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| Christopher Hitchens is my debating ideal, but sadly I'm not that good and not that invested in debating either. Still, I try to be more disputatious than agreeable every time I do it. |
ThanakosAug 7, 2019 12:40 PM
BlakexEkalb said: I mean my opinions are usually my own, can't remember the last time I've watched a video on him but he seems bright enough to at least hold an opinion. lmao you called him bright? It's a miracle that bigoted retard even wipe his own ass |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
BlakexEkalb said: If you proclaim that he has knowledge, and that your opinions are your own, thus differ with all-knowing Shapiro, then not only are you a dumbfuck like him, but an ignorant retard.Railey2 said: nah, I assume that you would watch this video of him, or any number of videos where he says obviously dumb shit, maybe agree that these things he says are really dumb, and then keep watching his "content" with your attitude towards Shapiro remaining entirely unchanged. Which is honestly just as bad as agreeing with everything he says. You know there is more than one way to be a sheep ;) wew. Guess I'm being disputatious. I mean my opinions are usually my own, can't remember the last time I've watched a video on him but he seems bright enough to at least hold an opinion. |
| I thoroughly regret my decision to use Ben Shapiro as an example. I underestimated the derailment powers of MAL, truly a force to be reckoned with. |
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| I enjoy pleasant conversations/discussions way more than disputing ones. However, I find it much easier to respect, value or even treasure people who can get into many (heated) arguments with me and still stand by my side, no matter what. Sadly, I haven't become important enough to anyone outside blood ties to enjoy that privilege. |
BlakexEkalb said: Yarub said: If you proclaim that he has knowledge, and that your opinions are your own, thus differ with all-knowing Shapiro, then not only are you a dumbfuck like him, but an ignorant retard. Ah yes, acknowledging someone has knowledge and saying that I also can have my own opinions on subjects makes me an ignorant retard. You truly are a genius. EndlessMaria said: Ben Shapiro is a sack of shit. I hope he dies in a brutal accident. And people want respect this day and age, that's cute. Are you implying that I want respect? I know damn well more than anyone that I don't deserve respect because I'm legitimately a terrible human being. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
BlakexEkalb said: Quite so. You deviate from him, while also calling him knowledgeable in the subject, thus raising his "opinions" to be not merely so, but borderline "facts". Yet you still have your own opinions, which are completely wrong, going by your previous statements. You can always have an opinion that eating curry (this is an analogy, I had to mention it because you're probably incompetent enough to realise it) helps with your Alzheimer's, but when you go to a doctor and listen to his knowledge in the treatments of Alzheimer's that differ to yours, you disregard your opinion while still holding on to it. A prime example of cognitive dissonance. Yarub said: If you proclaim that he has knowledge, and that your opinions are your own, thus differ with all-knowing Shapiro, then not only are you a dumbfuck like him, but an ignorant retard. Ah yes, acknowledging someone has knowledge and saying that I also can have my own opinions on subjects makes me an ignorant retard. You truly are a genius. |
BlakexEkalb said: Doesn't make them right, Sherlock. I hope you understand that after 4 posts.Yarub said: Quite so. You deviate from him, while also calling him knowledgeable in the subject, thus raising his "opinions" to be not merely so, but borderline "facts". Yet you still have your own opinions, which are completely wrong, going by your previous statements. You can always have an opinion that eating curry (this is an analogy, I had to mention it because you're probably incompetent enough to realise it) helps with your Alzheimer's, but when you go to a doctor and listen to his knowledge in the treatments of Alzheimer's that differ to yours, you disregard your opinion while still holding on to it. A prime example of cognitive dissonance. You can be knowledgeable in subjects and still have opinions btw, I hope you understand that. |
BlakexEkalb said: Most people do, so I assumed. I can't relate with you though, as I don't really want to be the mean and rude person to other people. I honestly find it difficult to conduct myself with others. I've struggled my whole life with social interaction and at this point I just have to accept that I'm a piece of shit since I can't alter my personality at its core. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Orhunaa said: I thoroughly regret my decision to use Ben Shapiro as an example. I underestimated the derailment powers of MAL, truly a force to be reckoned with. ...Who? *Google searches* Yeah, that guy looks like he can eat a dick. |
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FacelessVixen said: Orhunaa said: I thoroughly regret my decision to use Ben Shapiro as an example. I underestimated the derailment powers of MAL, truly a force to be reckoned with. ...Who? *Google searches* Yeah, that guy looks like he can eat a dick. Have you seen his sister though? She can eat me whole and I won't mind. |
| She doesn't seem to have her brother's ass-shaped lower lip, I guess I also won't mind. |
| I don't even attempt to argue with ppl on the internet.... ngl I'd rather browse 100 thread than argue with one MAL user |
| i generally don't find it pleasing to 'debate' with anyone on the forums even if them are rational and friendly some users are just unlikeable and overly aggressive/passive aggressive as you can tell form the tones of their saying ideally, internet arguments should be invigorating exchanges of ideas, opening up new perspectives to both sides |
 only a deity could take a thread this lame and make it blessed with his presence |
| I guess I'm mostly agreeable? I used to be on my community college's debate team, and we had to be polite. It would actually GAIN us points with the judge. There was only one time when I was a little rude. We were given the topic "Everything is all good". With this type of vague topic, the side making the claim (me at that time) has to interpret what "everything" and "all good" means. Sadly, the opposition doesn't know what the heck the affirmative side is going to come up with, so in the preparation stage, they have to think of things that the affirmative side COULD think of as a topic. I was more concerned with setting up a fair debate, so I interpreted the topic in the easiest way possible. I pretty much interpreted the topic to mean "All the social reforms [at the moment] are all good". Really easy. All my opponent had to do was name ONE social reform that freaking sucked. ONE. He couldn't do it (??? You're on the debate TEAM, you should know plenty) and instead of debating the topic, he used the entire time to say "How could I have known that this debate was going to be about social reforms?? This debate is unfair" when the RULES state this topic could have been interpreted as ANYTHING and I chose the easiest thing any debate student could possibly debate. Eventually, he finally came up with like uniform rules as a problem or something. Anyway, I did win that debate because my opponent apparently wasn't briefed on how vague topics work and apparently wasn't prepared for the tournament. However, I did lose points because I said, kinda snarkily, "Well it looks like my opponent doesn't want to debate" and was kinda visibly ticked off with him. On the other hand, I have GAINED points for being polite and composed. There were many judges who'd mark down on their sheets "Very polite," and give us a point in whatever category it was (it's been a while and I've forgotten). However, I still did the following (from Disputatious): -Presses the points as much as is necessary. -Expresses their objections clearly with conviction. You can do these and still be agreeable. However, for agreeable, I DIDN'T do the following: -Doesn't press some points too much if he knows his interlocutor won't respond well to it. -Expresses their objections in a more mild manner. (But wouldn't you agree.., Could it be that.. etc.) Thing is, in a formal debate, you NEED to press your points. Hard. If you don't, they're dropped. That's it. This part in the second category "Skips the points they agree on and gets straight to the ones they don't" means you concede to that point. It's better to say, "Yes, BUT" instead of ignoring it altogether. That is 100% their point if you don't acknowledge it, and if you do it enough then they win the debate. So I guess I'm more of both...?? I try not to debate much online anymore though. So many people pulled crap worse than the experience I had above just to try to win by technicality (trying to call topicality) and not actually debate (and it'd NEVER work btw) that it sucked the fun out of debating for me. |
| That would depend on my opinion on the person. I usually wouldn't bother debating things with someone on the internet though. Cognitive dissonance is much easier to get away with in text. In public you can at least make your opponent look foolish and force them to change strategies by putting pressure on them. |
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| I think debates are dishonest since they are meant to get one opinion to prevail over another and not to come towards an agreement. I prefer dialogues |
UnoPuntoCincoAug 7, 2019 9:50 PM
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| Usually agreeable, but many people on the internet start to lose their minds once they realize they're losing the debate, and then I have no problem with insulting them back and being forceful. Debating on the internet would be much more productive if people weren't so afraid of being proven wrong every once in a while. |
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