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changelog_ said: It makes me wonder the true meaning behind Code Geass. Is the politics in the show merely for show? Or are they there with an inferred meaning? Anime is sometimes political and I even appreciate some form of leftism. Code Geass is quite "egalitarian" and anti-authoritarian and I have never had a problem with it, despite myself being an authoritarian. That "inferred meaning" is the lack of hierarchies and colonies between countries in the world that Lelouch wants it. In contrast, Code Geass is quite Japanese nationalist. (I'm on episode 15 of R2, so please don't spoil me). Somebody mentioned Demi-chan wa Kataritai, that show is extremely well done and it's so subtle and amicable to the conservative viewer that you can't help but like/love the anime. I'm yet to watch Hourou Musuko. That's why I complain about the treatment that the anime press gave to Darling in the Franxx, just for being a very conservative anime. Sure it has its fair share of problems, but the way that ANN and most here gave a bad name for the simple fact that Darling presented conservative values. |
tlato_butAug 29, 2018 11:46 AM
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| The only time I've seen people complain about anime being political (being SJW leftist trash) is when western companies shit over the original script and turn the dialogue into something entirely different just to shove their political (SJW leftist trash) agenda into viewers' faces. I would imagine it's not so much the politics that upset people, but rather the disrespect it shows to the source material, while also taking a political side half of the viewerbase isn't going to be agreeing with. |
Bayek said: Agree with your first posts assessment, but just to clarify High Guardian Spice is a cartoon. I believe other stuff they're working on that isn't announced yet will directly come from anime studios.Because High Guardian Spice isn't just anime. |
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jal90 said: No, actually it's that I don't want people who stifle the art of expression to dominate one of my passions. It's not paranoia when that's literally already happened in western entertainment, the gaming industry, and is already picking up momentum within Funimation's English dubs.Yeah @Bayek I read your post. You simply happen to have not read mine. We don't need a Bible Note. Death Note is already political and took a stance on its subject by the mere idea of setting it as a valid debate. If that doesn't bother you, then you should probably not be indulging in that paranoia about politics taking over your industry when in reality it's just politics you don't like having a voice in the industry. But go ahead, make another arbitrary non-statement about how insecure I am about people who disagree with me. Edit: Also funny how you haven't even seen LoGH and yet you're lecturing me about political anime. We're done here, yawn. |
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An0nim said: Everything in this quote.Everything someone makes is influenced by his political beliefs, either it is intentional or not. The massage sometimes is unintentional. Most of the time, people are just overreacting and come to their own selfish conclusion. Except the massage. I may or may not enjoy unintentional massages. |
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| I don't think most people mind that there are politics in anime. It only becomes an issue when the sole purpose of the show's existence is to push an agenda. |
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alshu said: Also about racism and genocide. But those critics are pretty general and "about the dangers" not why is this possible and how that should be avoided in future. The messages (if any) are more ethical and religious than politic. And about the political stuff in K-On...duuude. I did say in the broader sense and ethics and religion have strong connections to politics, a belief in liberty and equality is both an ethical and political belief. Capitalisim and Socialisim appeal to different value systems of what is good for the individual and soceity and the relationship between them as their foundation and aside from many people's ethics being at least in part derived from religion religous institutions and doctrine's have often dealt with politics directly. And then there's the critique of military dictatorships and arrogant advanced western countries imposing their will on religous and conservative culture's which is pretty directly political even if it's toned down in FMAB it's still definitly there. I'm not saying distinguishing between ethical, religous and political is without use here or that FMAB is anything close to a political soapbox in Shoenen form what I'm saying is that it and all other anime are not politically neutral.......even K-on.......just......... |
hazecloud said: Can't have a political anime when you have a main character who can't figure out his own love life. obviously him figuring out his love life is actually a metaphor to how he will develop his own political beliefs, with each love interest being an analog to different political ideologues. |
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Bayek said: jal90 said: No, actually it's that I don't want people who stifle the art of expression to dominate one of my passions. It's not paranoia when that's literally already happened in western entertainment, the gaming industry, and is already picking up momentum within Funimation's English dubs.Yeah @Bayek I read your post. You simply happen to have not read mine. We don't need a Bible Note. Death Note is already political and took a stance on its subject by the mere idea of setting it as a valid debate. If that doesn't bother you, then you should probably not be indulging in that paranoia about politics taking over your industry when in reality it's just politics you don't like having a voice in the industry. But go ahead, make another arbitrary non-statement about how insecure I am about people who disagree with me. Edit: Also funny how you haven't even seen LoGH and yet you're lecturing me about political anime. We're done here, yawn. Tl;dr: your concern is paranoid at best and hypocritical at worst. Not that I'm surprised after your mention of High Guardian Space. You are a parody. By the way, you have been avoiding my statements on Death Note being political. The nerve to call me out just because I haven't watched LOGH. |
jal90 said: Putting Death Note on the same pedestal as LoGH in terms of political depth & focus is about the same as saying a row boat & The Titanic are both vessels used to travel across water. Your point is inane when you haven't even seen the specific example I used to justify the intervention of political philosophy into anime.Bayek said: No, actually it's that I don't want people who stifle the art of expression to dominate one of my passions. It's not paranoia when that's literally already happened in western entertainment, the gaming industry, and is already picking up momentum within Funimation's English dubs. But go ahead, make another arbitrary non-statement about how insecure I am about people who disagree with me. Edit: Also funny how you haven't even seen LoGH and yet you're lecturing me about political anime. We're done here, yawn. Tl;dr: your concern is paranoid at best and hypocritical at worst. Not that I'm surprised after your mention of High Guardian Space. You are a parody. By the way, you have been avoiding my statements on Death Note being political. The nerve to call me out just because I haven't watched LOGH. Considering Desu Note is the height of your intellectual prowess, I'll try to bring this back to your reading level. The problem isn't whether anime has varying degrees of political commentary. The problem is when the people making anime decide that it's their duty to force their political agenda onto the audience in a blatant, inorganic manner. Oh and go ahead and laugh it up about HGS. Because that's exactly how it started with the likes of Zoe Quinn & Anita Sarkeesian. Subpar, untalented hacks used their social identities (as well as their "front holes") to rise up in an industry they didn't even care about and now I'm getting letters from the president of GameInformer telling me how it's absolutely unacceptable that gamers aren't active feminists in 2018. |
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| Why is it that people in a position of power either abuse or neglect it, perhaps too many get into those lines of work for the wrong reasons, perhaps many become disillusioned by the complexity and futility of the systems that their governing and authoritative bodies operate through. Perhaps it's because positions of privilege where a little intelligence, integrity and common sense are required, seem to attract people of the exact opposite nature. Whatever it may be, politics disgust me, and people with a deep interest in politics or political aspirations make me feel sick. No to politics in anime. My two cents. |
| There's definitely different categories for this stuff. Like, you know what show is blatantly political but only uncommonly called out on it? The GATE series. The more I think about GATE, the more disturbed I am about what message it might try to portray. tlato_but said: I've also thought about Demi from the context of immigration commentary, but I don't think it reaches far enough to be an effective "political vehicle", so to say, because it's not representative of current Japanese views towards foreigners. It would be perfectly valid for someone to enjoy watching Demi-chan yet afterwards still feel hostile towards immigration policy in real life. So, in a sense, we can say that Demi is a light observation of the topic of immigration from a native Japanese perspective (which the show itself portrays to be), but ultimately has little to no consideration of historical immigration issues in Japan. Somebody mentioned Demi-chan wa Kataritai, that show is extremely well done and it's so subtle and amicable to the conservative viewer that you can't help but like/love the anime. |
nep-nepAug 29, 2018 1:35 PM
Bayek said: I was going to say the same thing. LoTGH does a great job of showing the good and bad of both sides and allowing the viewer to form their own opinion.When people say they don't want politics in anime, they're typically referring to anime being used for the express purpose of being a political mouthpiece. There's a difference between artists expressing their views of the world through their works vs groups with political power & interests taking over a medium and turning it into their propaganda machine (look at how wonderfully that's turning out for gaming). Good art presents themes & ideas and allows the audience to interact with it freely. Look no further than The Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It is the paragon of how anime can deal with politics without becoming preachy or condescending. Democracy vs autocracy. A republic vs a dictatorship. An elected representative vs a monarch. It presents a wide range of philosophical debates for you to reach your own conclusion on. But here's the thing OP. More than anything else, people just want to enjoy their show. I don't want to watch To Love RU and get lectured about what a misogynistic privileged bigot I am because I like seeing naked girls. Fuck off with that. |
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Bayek said: Putting Death Note on the same pedestal as LoGH in terms of political depth & focus is about the same as saying a row boat & The Titanic are both vessels used to travel across water. Your point is inane when you haven't even seen the specific example I used to justify the intervention of political philosophy into anime. "The same pedestal"? I don't understand your rhetorics here. There are quite a few reasons why Death Note is a pretty valid example to talk about politics in anime. 1. It is the most popular show on MAL. Almost everyone here has watched it. It is influential and its ideas reach a lot of people. 2. Both of us have watched it. You love it, I like it a lot. So it's neither something you dismiss for its political content nor something I don't find worth in for that cause. 3. The series sets a debate that requires you to be in a certain political spectrum to accept and see as valid. An authoritarian one. It's not about Death Note being smart or dumb. It's about the show being political and having a political stance, and being allowed to exist and never bothering you despite it has had more chance to influence and shape minds than lots and lots of these supposed threats you mention. My point is not inane when I'm not talking about LOGH because LOGH doesn't represent anime in its entirety and it doesn't have half, or even a noticeable percentage of the influence Death Note has. We are talking about the medium here, this is a thread and a discussion about the medium. Bayek said: Considering Desu Note is the height of your intellectual prowess I wouldn't be proud of that reading comprehension of yours. Or anything you've written in this thread for that matter. Bayek said: I'll try to bring this back to your reading level. The problem isn't whether anime has varying degrees of political commentary. The problem is when the people making anime decide that it's their duty to force their political agenda onto the audience in a blatant, inorganic manner. And that's when I mention Death Note and you keep avoiding to tackle the example despite you obviously not having a problem with the show forcing a political agenda onto the audience in a blatant, inorganic manner. Your words would sound greater if your acts were consistent. I don't expect you to like every political stance made and pushed by media, because I don't. But certainly, if your problem is with a certain spectrum, as you pretty blatantly show with your posts and examples, I would put aside this facade of rational neutrality you try to sell. Because I'm not buying it. Bayek said: Oh and go ahead and laugh it up about HGS. Because that's exactly how it started with the likes of Zoe Quinn & Anita Sarkeesian. Subpar, untalented hacks used their social identities (as well as their "front holes") to rise up in an industry they didn't even care about and now I'm getting letters from the president of GameInformer telling me how it's absolutely unacceptable that gamers aren't active feminists in 2018. I'm pretty sure you know how good HGS will be when all we know about it is a video talking about the staff and praising the diversity of the show. When there is not even a trailer or an animated sample at the very least available to judge if the series has good or bad production values, not to mention the lack of a single episode or script to judge if the writing is good or bad. Oh, I see that you mention Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Thanks for proving my point. Two controversial personalities in the gaming community indeed. They threatened freedom of speech so much that everyone and their mother on the internet has indulged in rage modes making videos about them, trying to ridicule them, and in the most extreme cases (which seem pretty common, by the way), sending death threats and harassing them. I'm pretty sure all those people who felt they have enough freedom to do this to two personalities in the industry they happened to strongly disagree with were ranting about how threatened their freedom of expression is for the existence of a feminist discourse in a gaming community. Yeah, fuck off with that. |
nep-nep said: tlato_but said: I've also thought about Demi from the context of immigration commentary, but I don't think it reaches far enough to be an effective "political vehicle", so to say, because it's not representative of current Japanese views towards foreigners. It would be perfectly valid for someone to enjoy watching Demi-chan yet afterwards still feel hostile towards immigration policy in real life. So, in a sense, we can say that Demi is a light observation of the topic of immigration from a native Japanese perspective (which the show itself portrays to be), but ultimately has little to no consideration of historical immigration issues in Japan. Somebody mentioned Demi-chan wa Kataritai, that show is extremely well done and it's so subtle and amicable to the conservative viewer that you can't help but like/love the anime. Despite the fact that all of them are native Japanese, Yukki is even a full blooded Japanese demi. I guess it could be more oriented on the way Japan sees their Ainu (natives) minorities. |
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| @jal90 - Banter aside, I think the problem is that we're both using the term "politics" with a different meaning in mind. For example, I wouldn't consider Death Note political because it isn't addressing any current event or presenting a specific case for any particular policies. It presents a philosophical and moral dilemma about what justice is and who gets to deliver it. It doesn't explicitly support or reject Light's vision of justice; it merely shows you his journey and by the end, it lets you decide whether or not he was in the right. To try to be more specific, what I oppose is power politics. When a group seizes control of an art & proceeds to propagate its own interests as a moral imperative for the entire medium, it becomes constricting and leads to stagnation. I don't oppose a creator's desire to promulgate feminism in their work. I oppose a creator making a feminist anime and then dictating to me that I can't have ecchi because it's too toxic and not inclusive enough. And say what you want about paranoia, but western companies are irrefutably censoring games from Japan featuring adult content that they deem "problematic." Otherwise I'd be fondling the hell out of Marie Rose on Dead or Alive X3 right this minute. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that Gamergate episode of Law & Order is pure fiction. Someone getting death threats doesn't mitigate valid criticism against them. I wasn't there for GG - not really interested either. But it doesn't take much digging to find the skeletons in those women's closets. So sure, I'm not saying HGS is going to be bad or good. It might turn out to be decent. I'm saying it's going to be a massive flop financially and then CR will proceed to blame toxicity, hatred & bigotry for not making it the next Little Witch Academia. |
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changelog_ said: Nithirel said: I'm a very political person. I'm that guy in a group of friends or family who ALWAYS has to bring up politics. I can't help it, it fascinates me. And the ironic thing is, when I watch Anime, I don't see ANYTHING political. At all. I don't view this or that being right-wing or left-wing. They're fucking cartoons. The problem is people projecting THEIR views onto anime. Do you mean the creator of the anime projecting their views or the audience? No, I mean viewers taking an anime and pointing out this or that and claiming it to be some sort of political stance. Even if it actually was, the fact that people are seeing it that way instead of just a fictional show is problematic. |
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| When they mean "politics" they mean "politics I don't agree with". And a lot of times they don't understand the underlining messages under it, like with FMA and Yurikuma. Though weabo tend to make exceptions for Japan (THe old good "It's fine when Japan does it), so I don't think matters. It's only an issue when a western writer has a message. |
Bernrika said: Sometimes there are people making up the underlining messages too. When they mean "politics" they mean "politics I don't agree with". And a lot of times they don't understand the underlining messages under it, like with FMA and Yurikuma. Though weabo tend to make exceptions for Japan (THe old good "It's fine when Japan does it), so I don't think matters. It's only an issue when a western writer has a message. There was a user saying Monster was anti-western/German because of the portrayal of malpractice in Tenma's hospital. Yes it's true that German hospital don't work like how Monster portrays them because they are a makeshift for Japanese hospitals of which Urasawa criticizes the malpractice, issue that Team Medical Dragon focuses on in its entirety in a more elaborated way. |
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Bernrika said: Except that's really not what anyone means. It's about preventing anime from becoming a political platform. It's one thing to have stand alone works that contain their own messages & themes. It's another beast entirely to decide that anime has an obligation to become a political forum and to shove every current year agenda into it until people become too frustrated & too sick to bother anymore.When they mean "politics" they mean "politics I don't agree with". |
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Bayek said: Except that's really not what anyone means. It's about preventing anime from becoming a political platform. This LITERALLY doesn't mean anything. You are just repeating stuff you hear around hoping you make sense. Protip: It doesn't. Repeating the words agenda, politics and SJW over and over doesn't make an argument. it's another beast entirely to decide that anime has an obligation to become a political forum and to shove every current year agenda into it until people become too frustrated & too sick to bother anymore. Creators are one that decide what to put in their anime. If the creators want to make a political statement or a propaganda anime (Whatever that means...) they are free to do. You are free to not consume their product (Or make your own anime!). Ironically you are arguing for censorship, the things you criticize these "SJW" for so much. :^ "Only do what I want, not what YOU want!" |
Bernrika said: Everything you said literally doesn't mean anything.Bayek said: Except that's really not what anyone means. It's about preventing anime from becoming a political platform. This LITERALLY doesn't mean anything. You are just repeating stuff you hear around hoping you make sense. Protip: It doesn't. Repeating the words agenda, politics and SJW over and over doesn't make an argument. it's another beast entirely to decide that anime has an obligation to become a political forum and to shove every current year agenda into it until people become too frustrated & too sick to bother anymore. Creators are one that decide what to put in their anime. If the creators want to make a political statement or a propaganda anime (Whatever that means...) they are free to do. You are free to not consume their product (Or make your own anime!). Ironically you are arguing for censorship, the things you criticize these "SJW" for so much. :^ "Only do what I want, not what YOU want!" |
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Bayek said: Bernrika said: Everything you said literally doesn't mean anything.This LITERALLY doesn't mean anything. You are just repeating stuff you hear around hoping you make sense. Protip: It doesn't. Repeating the words agenda, politics and SJW over and over doesn't make an argument. Creators are one that decide what to put in their anime. If the creators want to make a political statement or a propaganda anime (Whatever that means...) they are free to do. You are free to not consume their product (Or make your own anime!). Ironically you are arguing for censorship, the things you criticize these "SJW" for so much. :^ "Only do what I want, not what YOU want!" Nice. Keep arguing against censorship why you argue creators should do what you want, not what they want. |
Bernrika said: Yeah I'm actually a fascist. Boo fucking hoo, I guess?Bayek said: Everything you said literally doesn't mean anything. Nice. Keep arguing against censorship why you argue creators should do what you want, not what they want. |
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| @Isterio - This is probably the best way I can put it at this point. I don't contest anything you're saying, but I feel like you'll at least appreciate this more so. I don't support or agree with a transgender lifestyle. However, I decided to watch (and read) Hourou Musuko. The characters were fun, the atmosphere relaxing & it was very inviting to a person like me who wasn't as keen on the social issues it was covering. It showed me the respect to meet me where I was on those respective subjects (gender roles, societal expectations of the sexes, etc) and let me explore them as I saw fit. I may not be in complete agreement with everything it presented, but I'm far more sympathetic to its sentiments. Had it just been a blatant morality play that commanded me to feel a specific way, I would have dropped it on the spot. Just shoving your agenda into something and telling the audience that you're right breaks immersion, kills any incentive or desire to partake in it, and doesn't inspire any willingness to change my perspective. So yeah, if studios want to make that, that's their choice. Doesn't stop it from being unwelcome & unwanted though. And I don't know how to put this any other way, but I just don't want to see those who hold the levers of power in anime to turn my favorite art form into something I no longer love. This isn't exclusively "anti-SJW", of course. That's just a shortsighted excuse people offer because they don't understand the grand scheme of keeping power in check. For example, there was a right-wing fundamentalist named Jack Thompson who tried to ban violent video games in the 2000s. Had he secured an executive position in the gaming industry, you can sure as hell bet I would have railed against that. The main point is that when someone has an agenda, they can't be trusted with power. Politics is inherently seated in power. And power inevitably corrupts. |
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Bayek said: Bernrika said: Yeah I'm actually a fascist. Boo fucking hoo, I guess?Nice. Keep arguing against censorship why you argue creators should do what you want, not what they want. Na, just an hypocrite and not very self aware. Like many people like you, don't worry. |
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Bernrika said: Would you like to define "people like you"?Bayek said: Yeah I'm actually a fascist. Boo fucking hoo, I guess? Na, just an hypocrite and not very self aware. Like many people like you, don't worry. So I take it you wouldn't have a problem with entertainment being owned by the state. If the government sponsored, funded & approved anime, surely that would just be their political freedom to do so? Or if Mike Pence decided to buy Studio Deen as a private citizen and ban the production of BL, surely that's just his freedom of speech? You wouldn't dare censor Mike Pence's artistic expression, would you? |
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Bayek said: Bernrika said: Would you like to define "people like you"?Na, just an hypocrite and not very self aware. Like many people like you, don't worry. So I take it you wouldn't have a problem with entertainment being owned by the state. If the government sponsored, funded & approved anime, surely that would just be their political freedom to do so? Or if Mike Pence decided to buy Studio Deen as a private citizen and ban the production of BL, surely that's just his freedom of speech? You wouldn't dare censor Mike Pence's artistic expression, would you? Why should one care? As long as there is still an open market, anyone can fund what they want tbh. The only danger is in having a media monopoly by the state or anyone else so that needs to be avoided by having rules in place that guarantee that there is competition. And ofc if the state makes watching certain things mandatory, that is also intolerable. But both of these situations are far from being realized so they are not really relevant to the topic. Beyond that, pretty much anything goes. I mean Bible TV is a thing and noone has started an outrage anti-propaganda campaign. If christianity can have their own propaganda channel that noone watches, anyone deserves one. The state pouring money into shitty entertainment that noone will watch because there are most likely better options would not be great from a tax-payer perspective because that money could be put to better use, but it's not gonna impact what series I watch or anything like that. And idk how buying one studio allows you to ban the production of BL. If that studio won't animate BL anymore, the publishing companies will hire another studio. That's how the open market works. It's a pretty beautiful thing. P.S. Simply banning something hardly qualifies as 'artistic expression'. You need to, you know, actually express something artistically to fall into that category, not just ban something from being artistically expressed. So not sure your Mike Pence example is even seminally relevant to the topic. |
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| @Bayek @Isterio Death Note in the end leaves two ways to interpret the conclusion of its debate, and that's a stretch to me because the series clearly condemns Light for what he's doing, and it does not just in that last episode but in the entire character growth of Light. What I mean is that this debate can only exist given a pre-established condition. That pre-established condition is that delinquents deserve to be punished and killed. And what Death Note says about it is that a man can't call himself "justice" and proceed to kill people on his own because he will become corrupted and megalomaniac. It reinforces the idea that justice comes from the government and authority, not from the individual. That doesn't solve the main issue of the premise: that the series has nothing against (in fact assumes it's the norm) killing people. It's a matter of who. If you are like me and for starters don't accept the mere premise that death penalty is morally justified, this series offers a debate that from the beginning is not acceptable, and in its conclusion comes across as authoritarian. That's why I'm so disconnected with its very premise and the debate it sets, and that's why I think this work is far from neutral and is in fact pushing certain political beliefs necessary to accept its take as valid. And yeah, I have to apologize for my overreaction but this is a topic I'm sick of and hearing certain buzzterms and examples triggers me quite easily. Either way I don't know if LOGH is perfectly neutral and fair but certainly none of the anime I've watched are. All of them have internalised political beliefs and a view of the world and society. Conforming and defying are both political choices. My point is, I think, the same as the OP's in this sense. As for works that push the political discourse in a way that is contrived, the main problem is deciding what is contrived here. You talk about Lisa Simpson in The Simpsons, Isterio, but Lisa Simpson is a character built as an activist with takes on social and ecological issues. It's natural for the series to talk about this stuff through the character, and she has always, from the first season, been the sort of character that would make the entire episode gravitate around her sense of morality. Personally, I think we either limit the term to clear propaganda, and with clear propaganda I mean stuff like the WW II cartoons destined to sell war bonds, or we create a nebulous category that includes and assumes values you personally disagree with or don't see as the necessary norm. And that's where I'd gladly put Death Note. Because that's what this whole "SJW agenda" and "pushing feminist/gender politics" looks to me. People getting bothered about the mere existence of these takes, no matter how naturally or not they are inserted in the narrative. As for the Gamergate stuff, Bayek. This is not about defending the personal takes of these women. These are takes, there have been debates about them and there has been more than enough freedom to hear both sides again and again. But these women have been harassed and have received death threats. It is certainly not a position of superiority in this debate and the solution for starters should be to isolate and condemn these behaviors. And then, we can talk about a civilized discussion. Gamergate has earned this notoriety both due to the amount of toxicity in it and its complete connivance with its existence. As for HGS... do you think Crunchyroll doesn't have a point though? Because yes, there has been a lot of hatred, bigotry and toxicity in the negative backlash this has received. And with hatred, bigotry and toxicity I mean stuff like sharing pics of Kate Leth in the trailer and calling her names for her aspect. Have a look at literally every single YouTube video made about the topic and how they overuse the same thumbnail with the same pic and take advantage of the physical aspect of a person to create an immediate repulsion in their audience. |
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