| I agree with the OP in this one. I've seen people giving their all time favorites scores like 7 8 and giving classics, critically acclaimed shows they enjoyed less a 10 which is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Your ratings doesn't have to be objective (and it can't be anyways) so why not give scores based on how much you enjoyed a show rather than how much you're supposed to enjoy apparently? We have top anime list in mal anyways they can look at how well received a show there. Edit: For instance I can think of many reasons why someone wouldn't enjoy the shows I gave 9-10 to as much as I did and for valid reasons. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give them 7 to be more closer to objective. |
AuronDec 20, 2017 10:48 AM
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Orhunaa said: I agree with the OP in this one. I've seen people giving their all time favorites scores like 7 8 and giving classics, critically acclaimed shows they enjoyed less a 10 which is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Your ratings doesn't have to be objective (and it can't be anyways) so why not give scores based on how much you enjoyed a show rather than how much you're supposed to enjoy apparently? We have top anime list in mal anyways they can look at how well received a show there. Not even preference is completely congruous with the fluid notion of "enjoyment". You may absolutely love a series, but thinking back on it, you don't know why you enjoy it or even if you would still enjoy it if you rewatched it. Maybe it resonated with a particular part of your childhood. Whereas you may watch a classic and feel every moment as a rush and a joy, yet come out after merely satisfied, maybe due to years of becoming jaded. |
| I loved Yusibu enough to consider it a favourite of mine. I related to the setting, in terms of working in a shop; I liked the general atmosphere with it being fairly relaxed and comedic, and Fino is the most adorable character ever. But the last 3 or so episodes were a bit more "plot" focused rather than staying SoL, which I wasn't quite as keen on compared to the rest. Not to the point where it ruined my enjoyment or anything, and it certainly didn't make me consider it to be no longer a favourite - but I simply couldn't give it a 10/10 based on my opinion to the last 3 eps, so it has a 9/10 instead. There's also sentimental value to take into consideration. DBZ is a favourite of mine because I loved it as a kid growing up. Watching it again as an adult, I can easily see all of the things that I consider to be flaws, things that I think detract from the show. That doesn't take away from my childhood experience and how fucking awesome it was to me back then. So I could sit here and rate it 9 or 10 based on sentimental value, but that would make it rather inconsistent with how I rate the rest of the anime I've seen. I don't want to do that, so I just stick it on my favourites list instead. That's not to say I've rated DBZ lowly; I'm just not going to stick it on the top of my rating list. |
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| My favorites are all rated as 9 or 10. Some people might have their 'favorites' rated lower if they score less on enjoyment or they simply don't like anime that much. |
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Grimanir said: Not even preference is completely congruous with the fluid notion of "enjoyment". You may absolutely love a series, but thinking back on it, you don't know why you enjoy it or even if you would still enjoy it if you rewatched it. Maybe it resonated with a particular part of your childhood. Whereas you may watch a classic and feel every moment as a rush and a joy, yet come out after merely satisfied, maybe due to years of becoming jaded. Which means I'll give that series I absolutely loved a high score and the classic a lower score. I'm not a critic, I'm just your average anime fan. I don't need to justify liking a show to everyone. |
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| First of all, objectivity exists... however it's impossible to be 100% objective, since we all have taste that will make it difficult to not be biased.. But anyway, I rate my favorites according to what is good, and not what I like. Even though I usually rate higher what I prefer, it would be unfair for some series I don't like that much but are very good, or even "perfect". However, I don't consider that anything in my favorites is bad. If it was bad, I couldn't like it. It may not be perfect but at least "passes the exam". |
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Orhunaa said: Which means I'll give that series I absolutely loved a high score and the classic a lower score. I'm not a critic, I'm just your average anime fan. I don't need to justify liking a show to everyone. Okay, say you then rewatched that show you loved, and found that you didn't like any part of it as much as you liked the classic. Do you then change your score? Is it still your nostalgic favourite? Enjoyment isn't so clear cut imo. |
Monzer42 said: Are you saying that if I say Sword Art Online is better than Steins;Gate, because objectivity doesn't exist, it's true? I actually prefer SAO but it has many flaws (the videogame world is, for lack of words, s*it and even illogical), and S;G doesn't have that (and every single thing in it matters in some way). That's what critics (and everyone with common sense) would say. SuzuMine-chan said: First of all, objectivity exists Where is the universal, scientific standard or unit for “goodness”? Unless a scientific way of measuring something exists it’s not objective. It doesn't matter in the end what I like and dislike, but even if I like a bad show with stupid plot and contradictory characters... It's still a bad show with stupid plot and contradictory characters. Edit: Even better example... Are you saying that if Mars of Destruction is my favorite anime of all time, I can consider it good just because I like it? Think about it... |
SuzuMine-chanDec 20, 2017 11:57 AM
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| I can love something to death that isn’t perfect; I can also recognize that an anime was perfect in almost every regard, but isn’t among the things I hold dearly. All my favorites coincidentally have 9/10s, meaning that I know of their flaws but love them anyway. |
| Show being your favorite doesn't have to mean that you consider that show a masterpiece. Some people try to objectively rate stuff as much as possible, some have different rating systems etc. For example, I rated third season of Kuroko no Basket higher than season 1 and 2 and I like season 3 more than the first two, but I chose to put first season in my favorites because I consider Kuroko no Basket franchise as a whole my favorite and think it looks nicer than having it saying KnB season 3 or whatever. |
Grimanir said: Okay, say you then rewatched that show you loved, and found that you didn't like any part of it as much as you liked the classic. Do you then change your score? Is it still your nostalgic favourite? Enjoyment isn't so clear cut imo. Good point. I'd probably re-evaluate my score but I doubt there'd be a massive change unless I'm rewatching one of my childhood anime which are unrated anyways (since I don't think I can be fair given the nostalgia bias) |
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| "Favorite" does not necessarily mean "what I liked best overall." A show can be near and dear to one's heart for countless other reasons. Maybe they liked it a lot many years ago, but see it as less impressive now, holding onto a title they know isn't the most enjoyable anymore for entirely sentimental or nostalgic reasons. Perhaps it resonated with them, leaving a profound impact without being the most impressive or enjoyable. Maybe they simply enjoyed it thoroughly without being impressed enough to feel it deserves a perfect score. It could have only one or two aspects that truly impressed, and was otherwise bland or mediocre. Or there might be a major flaw that they want to account for in their rating, but didn't sufficiently detract from their enjoyment to drop it from the list. No two people rate titles the exact same way. And it stands to reason that the exact same rule applies to choosing favorites. And in the end, the only one it needs to make sense to is the one who made the decision. |
| Not everyone is completely oblivious to differences in quality and if you can't help but see that something is badly written or whatever, it's only fair for that to be reflected in your rating. That doesn't have anything to do with trying to be objective, it's just about not ignoring the part of yourself that makes certain judgments about shows. Something needs to seperate the shows that you're biased towards because you enjoy their genre even when the show isn't good, from the shows you actually love and find to be well done on top of it, your true Masterpieces so to say. Otherwise you're just ignoring the part of you that assesses quality and cares about a bunch of things that are important in writing and only base you assessment on the simplest of impulses. I mean if your mind really is as dull as to not give you any sense of quality differences between anything, as to never question any writing or directing and it just floats in this sea of bias and purely emotional reactions to shows without even being capable of having an analytical or critical thought in the first place - then for all I care rating literally only based on bias/enjoyment might be fair. But I'd like to believe that most people don't have brains just for decoration and they can't help but SEE shitty writing when it hits them in the face like it does in (to name popular examples) SAO or Kabaneri. I didn't hate these shows (well I guess I kinda hated Kabaneri when I wasn't drunk enough to make fun of its writing), they both had aspects about them that made me interested and that made them somewhat easy to watch (zombie apocalypse and virtual isekai stuff are things I conceptually love) but I can't pretend they're good, I just can't. Because that's not how I perceived them. When every episode I have to facepalm in agony over the terrible, terrible writing (and I'm not a very critical person at all if you know me so that doesn't happen often despite my huge list) that is not a coincidence or something that I can just ignore and give the show a high rating because I liked the idea/concept behind it, or some of the early parts like in SAO. So anyone who rates on both enjoyment and perceived quality, don't let these mindless people tell you you're wrong just because they are not familiar with their brain having any say in their lives so they can't imagine it coming naturally to others - they think we have to force themselves or be just pretending. But at least for me having an opinion on the quality of a show and a feeling of enjoyment at the same time but not directly tied to each other, always came natural. I can tune down my brain with suspension of disbelief (as I said I'm not a very critical person when it comes to anime) but I just can't proverbially 'turn it off' completely so certain levels of badness are just going to be reflected in my score because they're part of my experience with that show. It's really that simple and anybody trying to convince people to only rate on enjoyment and ignore anything critical you think about shows, is just trying to force their limited perspective and approach onto you. That being said personally my favorites are all 10/10s because they're reserved for shws where both sides (enjoyment/bias and perceived quality) are at a peak. I've seen enough shows to not need to include stuff that I thought wasn't that good in my favorites. My 10/10s are all stuff I LOVE and enjoyed the fuck out of, but it's also all stuff that I find to be extremely good at what they're trying to do (well except maybe the One Piece anime which certainly has its issues that developed over the years so that is more of a loyalty 10/10) |
AlcoholicideDec 20, 2017 12:18 PM
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Monzer42 said: Well, that's true. But since it's the opinion all critics have I think it can be considered a fact.[No universal law says that stupid plot and contradictory characters make a show bad. It's like, for example: Sexism is considered bad. Why is it considered bad, even though nature provides it? Because practically everyone agrees due to it marginalizing people and making them feel bad. So, it can be considered a fact that sexism is bad. Monzer42 said: As I said before, I don't agree, since based on the critics opinions, SAO wouldn't be a good show (because of the world building and the cliches and etc). So I don't think that I could say it's a good show, but that doesn't mean I have to hate it.If you actually like SAO more than you have every right to say it’s better. You’re acting like there’s some sort of universal standard for what constitutes a show to be good or bad. In reality, no such standard exists. If you enjoy a show than you have every right to call it a good show. The same thing applies for shows you dont enjoy. Monzer42 said: However, think it in this way... There is no scientific way of measuring artistic quality, right? So if I make a show with violent rape scenes to mutilated children that are made to be seen as stimulating and with racial and homophobic slurs... it can be considered a masterpiece? And to make it worse, I'm aiming it to children.Think about it this way: A. In order for something to be objective, it must be a fact. B. In order for something to be a fact, there must be a scientific way to measure it. C. There is no scientific way to measure artistic quality D. Therefore there is no such thing as objective artistic quality I know it's a bit extreme, but you get the idea. BTW, it doesn't have many relation to this but whatever... I don't like how recently whatever can be considered "art". I mean, with no effort, I can just glue a pencil on a shoe and say "it's art"... and someone will consider it a masterpiece. But... in reality, it's nothing. This could also apply to anime or TV, when for example an author just starts writing whenever he feels like it without any cohesion between events and without planning. And that could also be refered as a masterpiece? I don't think so. |
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| I used to not have all of my favorite anime's be a 10/10 but then I realized that was kind of stupid, cause I mean your favorite anime should be an anime that you think personally is a 10/10. However I saw nothing wrong with some of them being rated 8/10, an 8 means "very good" on MAL so I'd say it's a pretty good score. I dunno, my state of my mind was like that I had to be completely blown away by it, like what HxH 2011 did to me Some people might just think that is makes them superior or some shit, or that they want a low mean score on MAL Edit: I see a lot of people saying that people tend to do that because even if it's your favorite it doesn't necessarily mean it deserves a 10 even if it's special to you. And that is totally the reason why I did it. Love Live! has sooo many flaws and I know it, so I first rated it an 8, then it went up to a 10 cause I am biased and I love Love Live with all my heart lol |
IrukaDec 20, 2017 12:28 PM
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SuzuMine-chan said: First of all, objectivity exists... however it's impossible to be 100% objective, since we all have taste that will make it difficult to not be biased.. No it doesn't. The only aspect of anime that can be judged closest to objectively is music and animation (fluidness, frame rate, the atmosphere maybe) but even that isn't completely objective. And that's not just limited to anime. Movies, tv shows or art in general isn't objective. The word "good" just adds subjectivity. Edit: Oops you were already debating with someone else. Just ignore me lol |
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SpadesofAce said: the real question is why does 10 have to mean perfectWell nothing is perfect, so does anything deserve a 10? |
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S-quare22 said: Because they weren't perfect. I don't give the rating of 10 so easily, the show that deserves this score should enthuse and enthrall me. I don't want to see a single boring episode in it. It must be perfect. I guess I can come out and say that I am the opposite of like, a good chunk of people on here. Seeing as MAL only lets you add 10 series to your Favorites List, I decided to only add those series which I give a score of 10, since I also don't give that score out very easily. I've only scored about 6 series (not including sequels) with a 10, with most of what I watch earning a score of 8 or 7 usually. Any show that earns a score a 10 is automatically added to my Fav List, because usually those shows are the ones I obsess over. I would never add anything with a lower score, just because I feel like it wouldn't compare with the rest (so I suppose I do consider all my favorites to be on the same level as each other). I guess this might be because 10's are usually series that were entertaining, emotionally gripping, and had me engaged the entire time. Reading through all these posts, I think I'm just as confused as op. I understand the whole objectivity thing, and that you can love a series and still accept its flaws, but...I still give those series a 10. I don't let those flaws get in the way of my enjoyment of the series overall. I base my scores off of my own enjoyment while watching them, not how good the series is objectively. I gave Attack on Titan a 10 (and added it to my Fav List), probably because I was just biased towards my first series but I wouldn't say it was better than Kimi no Na Wa, which I also gave the same score. I still haven't been able to pinpoint what makes a series a 10 as opposed to a 9, but I know that all of my favorites share that same quality, which is why I can say that all my favorites are all things that I loved to watch, but not that they are all good - at least not at the same level |
ISOQuorraDec 20, 2017 3:11 PM
| Because you don't have to? Some of my favorite anime are anime I have given 7s to. School Days, Zeta Gundam, Tenchi Muyo. I recognize their flaws but I can still enjoy them to a great degree. Same with DBZ and others. |
| All anime i rated 8+ are favourites of mine, i don't find myself to be overly critical, just rarely impressed. I don't overanalyse what i watch, i do take stuff like animation, plot, ect into account but i don't care about minor inconsistencies, the overall experience and aftertaste are more important to me. 8 and above are anime i truely loved, i don't get what you find hard to understand, you can have different levels of liking alot and different reasons to like somthing, if you can't deferentiate between perceived quality and just enjoyment that's your problem. |
| I'm a big movie buff and my RL friends know it. From time to time, a very similar discussion to this one comes up and I have to defend my answer to the extremely common question: "What's your favorite movie?" My list of favorite movies RARELY coincide with my list of the best movies I've ever seen. And the best way I can explain this is that the best movies I've seen have little to no rewatch value, while my favorites are ones I've enjoyed watching dozens of times and will likely watch again dozens more. For example, one of my favorite movies is Fifth Element, but there's no way I would give it a perfect 10 rating (by no standard other than my own), nor is it even remotely close to one the best movies I've ever seen, but it's certainly fun to watch! It's one of my "go-to" movies, and one I absolutely make my friends watch if they haven't seen it. This is why I can totally understand why people would have favorites rated lower than a 10. EDIT: I'll add that if our profiles had a list of "Best Anime" instead of "Favorite Anime", then I could understand the OP's confusion. To me, they are two completely different things. |
OddManExDec 20, 2017 2:12 PM
Monzer42 said: Yeah, I was That is not the opinion all critics have. People have different opinions and to say that 100% of critics think a certain way is a gross oversimplification. Also, why base your taste on other people's opinions? They aAgainren't the gods of quality. You should be proud of your opinions, not base them off of people who obviously have different taste than you. You should be confident enough to decide for yourself what's good and bad. Again, lots of people could argue that sexism is good. There are two sides to every issue. "Good" and "bad" are inherently subjective and broad words. You can't say "its a fact that sexism is bad," because that is misusing the word. What if someones wants to see the downfall of humanity? Then, in their eyes, things like sexism, murder, and crime will all be "good" to them. It all comes down to personal taste. Your mistaking "critical consensus" with "objective quality". One is based on people's opinions while the other is based of of fundamental rules of nature. generalizing (bad of me XD). It's true that not all critics think like that, but what it's true is that the majority do. Also don't misunderstand me XD Taste = subjectivity. And as I said, I couldn't care less about quality when I like or dislike something. But well, since we discussed this a lot, I will refrain myself from repeating. Now that I think about it, you're right. It may feel disgusting but even what you said is completely true. Going for another example, it's true that when someone commits a murder, for the killer it's good in their eyes because of their motive, but for someone else it could be seen as bad, if they fail the understand the motive behind it (and this is something that happens a lot in fiction). Monzer42 said: Well, it's also an opinion, don't you think? I myself opine that I can enjoy something that wasn't done right. And something I don't enjoy can be good. But even this is an opinion by itself, my own opinion. I have myself my own standarts to decide what I believe it's good and what it's bad, but I have a different set of standarts to "decide" what I like and what I dislike. I'm not letting the way of other people (or even critics) to mix with me.Why would you let other people decide your opinions for you? If you enjoy a show its obviously doing something right. You're letting imaginary standards determine what you see as good or bad, rather than your own personal opinions. Monzer42 said: Unfortunately, I have to agree. Even if all of this is bad in the eyes of practically everyone, a demented person wouldn't see any problem with it. So a show like this couldn't be told "objectively horrible" because there is nothing that can tell that objectively these things are bad.This is irrelevant. In my opinion that show would be the worst thing ever and the person who made it would be a terrible person. HOWEVER, that does not make it objectively bad. A disturbed critic would consider that a show to be a 10/10. There's no universal law that says that murder, rape, arson, exc are bad. Humanity (myself included) just holds the opinion that they are extremely bad because they will cause a society to become unsafe and break down. |
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| It's quite a strange question to ask people's mindset about their favorite's score when it was clear that it is what they love. You'll rarely find someone who scored their anime lower than five yet they've still put it on their favorites. And Favorites is not equals to 10/10, but it's definitely 10/10 for enjoyment. |
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| @Pullman @Effulgence Hmmm.... I agree with you two really but my point is ultimately is that there really is no dichotomy between enjoyment and perceived quality. I'm just questioning the thought processes of those who have this dichotomy. |
| Well, I guess this doesn't entirely count for me since I did rate all of my favorites at least a 9, but I'll chime in anyway since I have a similar case for Sound! Euphonium. First off, I'll say that MAL ratings aren't perfect, and don't take into account situations like this one. Also human psychology isn't always simply grounded in logic, or rather its logic isn't always consistent with itself. I rated it a 9, below things like Nichijou, because there were more things I felt were wrong about Sound! Euphonium than things I felt were wrong with my 10s. Things that made me think "This series could've been better." Yet Sound! Euphonium is still my favorite anime. That's because while there were definitely a lot of personal problems I had with it (Emphasis on personal problems, since everyone's definition of a "problem" with fiction is different), my personal attachment to the series outweighs pretty much anything else I've ever watched. So yes, it is a contradictory, illogical dichotomy to an extent. I love this series more than my 10s, yet I still had more problems with it than my 10s. The best compromise my mind could come up with to reconcile these contradictory thought processes was to rate it a 9 to reflect my problems with it while placing it at the top of my favorites to reflect how much I love it. |
| Well, in my case I don't love my favourites equally... Mainly because I haven't found other shows to be on the same level as my top favourite. I could in theory just have 1 favourite, but that's just unfair to the other shows. If you somehow found 10 anime which you love almost equally, then be my guest. |
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| Because we rate differently. Favorite anime means you like it. |
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| That would be because I only give 10s to shows I enjoy so much that I can ignore their flaws. Not sure what you are defining as low here. Do the 9s in my favorites count? Give us some metric to go by here. |
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Paradigmatic said: @Pullman @Effulgence Hmmm.... I agree with you two really but my point is ultimately is that there really is no dichotomy between enjoyment and perceived quality. I'm just questioning the thought processes of those who have this dichotomy. You are overthinking it If you enjoy somthing then for you it's a good anime right, however you can still rate things outside of enjoyment, does the plot make sense, does the music fit well the scenes, how is the animation, ect Those things don't always go hand in hand with enjoyment, what's more valuable is to the rater to decide. That's all there is to it really. |
| Something isn't needed to be perfect to be loved. I reallise my favourite anime have a flaw, certainly not 10/10, but I still love them. |
Paradigmatic said: @Pullman @Effulgence ... there really is no dichotomy between enjoyment and perceived quality. You also stated this in your original post, and I just don't believe this to be true at all. There have been several replies in this thread that suggest otherwise as well, including Effulgence and I agree with him. Most people likely rate anime based on factors outside of mere enjoyment. In fact, if you look at MAL's rating system in the window where you write a review, "Enjoyment" is only ONE of five factors to take into account - the others being Story, Art, Sound and Character. I'd argue that quality is the whole package, and enjoyment is only a small part of that, so they are indeed different. In the end, it's all in how everyone individually chooses to rate. If you prefer to rate based solely on your enjoyment factor, then maybe you're right in your original post implying that favorites should all be rated 10. But not everyone rates that way, so I believe that's why you see those discrepancies between rating and favorites. |
Maneki-Mew said: scoring is arbitrary by nature so yeah?Aure0lin said: the real question is why does 10 have to mean perfect That's the real question here. :D Well no, I don't think so. Stories are written by people and everyone makes mistakes or does something with their story you might not like about it, but does that matter in every case, if you think, it deserves a relatively high score for whatever reason? |
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| Individual scores are subjective. The closest thing to an objective rating for an anime would be to look at the combined average of everyone's scores. I don't need to have watched Mars of Destruction to guess that it's a poor series. Nearly 23,000 have already watched it, and the average score is a 2.33. That being said, that ranking only reflects the majority's score and not an individual score. As for the main question, there are different criteria that people use that can affect the score: voice acting, animation, the music, how well it was adapted from the source material, and overall personal enjoyment. For example, I gave Trinity Seven a 7/10 despite not being able to follow the storyline at all. The writing was so inconsistent, that I had to watch some of the episodes twice. Even then, I liked the animation and I liked the characters. In the end I just stuck an average rating on it. If I had cared to, I could have stopped and pondered on why it was so difficult for me to follow the story, and why I thought the writing was poor. That likely would have resulted in me giving the series a lower score. But, personal enjoyment bias won that round. |
| It's possible that a person who rates their favorites in an unusual manner may recognize their favorite shows are objectively mediocre/bad/etc. |
| There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show. ~ blatant ad: https://myanimelist.net/blog/Crusader_8 I spend the time to write it, so please read it lol |
| Favourites are different thing that scores for a reason. You can feel some bond with certain anime and rewatch it multiple times (qualify as a favourite for me), but admit that it's pretty average. Just as your favourite food can be something simple, cheap and unhealthy. |
| I am disappointed that the belief that absolutely everything relating to art is 100% subjective is so strong in MAL. Art is in large part subjective, no question. But it is also in part objective. That is the reason that so many artists are considered great, like Michelangelo, Tolstoy, the Beatles etc. If everything was purely subjective, the most we could say about these people is that these are the artists people tend to prefer. But that's not what we call these people: we say they're the best, geniuses, etc. Because there's something objectively good about what they're doing. To bring up a name it perhaps would be wiser not to mention here, Digibro made an excellent but too damn long video series analyzing the Asterix War, and finishes the series by comparing it to Chivarly of a Failed Knight. and explained what it was that Chivalry did better than The Asterix War, even though Chivalry is no perfect show itself. The point is not that one cannot enjoy the Asterix war more than Chivalry of a Failed Knight, of course one can. Because Art is for the most part subjective. It's just not 100% subjective. |
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| I dont know, everyone has a different way of rating. For me, if I really love a show, it's going to be in the 8,9,10 range no matter what, even if my reason says otherwise. |
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| Well I would assume that those people enjoyed that certain show whilst knowing that there are flaws, and refuse to ignore those flaws, and thus don't give it the highest possible score. |
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| Just because you love an anime doesn't mean it's a good anime. |
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| well fairy tail is my favorite anime and I gave it an 8, whereas i have rated 4 anime a 10 that I love, but not as much as fairy tail. that's due to me recognizing the many flaws fairy tail has as a show, even though it's my favorite |
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AmMar-Sama said: Gorganoth said: The point is not that one cannot enjoy the Asterix war more than Chivalry of a Failed Knight, of course one can. Lol, no. This is illegal. If someone dares to do that shit, I'll burn them to death with my own hands. There is a limit to everything - including trash taste. Look, some people just want to see a 13-year-old girl blow things up with a weapon three times her own size. It can't be helped. |
| All Dubs must die! "Its 2017 and anime is still legal. What the fuck is congress doing" - Totalbiscuit |
Gorganoth said: I am disappointed that the belief that absolutely everything relating to art is 100% subjective is so strong in MAL. Art is in large part subjective, no question. But it is also in part objective. That is the reason that so many artists are considered great, like Michelangelo, Tolstoy, the Beatles etc. If everything was purely subjective, the most we could say about these people is that these are the artists people tend to prefer. But that's not what we call these people: we say they're the best, geniuses, etc. Because there's something objectively good about what they're doing. To bring up a name it perhaps would be wiser not to mention here, Digibro made an excellent but too damn long video series analyzing the Asterix War, and finishes the series by comparing it to Chivarly of a Failed Knight. and explained what it was that Chivalry did better than The Asterix War, even though Chivalry is no perfect show itself. The point is not that one cannot enjoy the Asterix war more than Chivalry of a Failed Knight, of course one can. Because Art is for the most part subjective. It's just not 100% subjective. Thank you, this is perfect. Subjectivity and Objectivity exists on a spectrum. Although qualifying art can never be (100%) objective, it can attempt to be with the existence of things such as coding schemes that people try to follow with unbiased viewpoints. Another example would be how Gymnasts are scored in the Olympics, there is no scientific measurement of unit that the judges employ to grade a gymnast on his/her acrobatic techniques, they rely on a professional coding scheme that ultimately could be subjected to subjectivity but attempts to be as objective as it can be along the way. As with the scoring system on MAL, although there is no hard rule on how a person should score a show that they've watched, people tend to employ a similar sort of coding scheme so as to come up with an objective score that would benefit the wider society. Humans are social creatures, 'pleasing the crowd' has through evolution remained as a pertinent characteristics of most if not all human-beings. Thus the utilisation of scales of objectivity on variables that cannot be scientifically measured/proven factual. If you argue that there is no need for objectivity and that it doesn't exists, then the entire study of human behaviourism can be rendered useless. Along with that, much more of the social sciences. |
| Because the score system is meant to be used to the fullest?7 according to MAL standards is Good and 8 very good,so I don't see why I should give a 10 to every favorite of mine. |
| I thought about it in the past and decided that I will just treat my favs as 10 and only rate them with that score if they are in my favs. It makes it so my rating system is pretty far from being objective but... it's my list anyway. I was kinda bothered by having 10's that weren't in my favs and asking myself "If I didn't like it enough to place it in my favs and yet gave it a 10... why did I do that when I still have 9's in there ?" and that urged the change. But to each their own I guess. |
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