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| Look like shit and all it was was randomly showing character fighting with bad animation, one of the worst first episode episode i've ever seen. On another note the music were 10/10. |
| Well this was below average at best which is to be expected and it's clearly this was made for the VN readers because info and events were all over the place and it didn't make sense. as VN reader i know what the plot is so i didn't bother me much but of course anime only ..... Eh it's still worth seeing the characters moves and feels alive i won't say it's |
| This first episode was messy. I know it's probably aimed at those who played the VN, but i didn't understand what the fuck was going on. However, I have to say that some designs and powers are quite interesting and the music was kickass, very Guilty Gear-esque if it makes any sense. I might just keep watching to see if it has some interesting fights. If not I'll just pick up the VN, since people around here say it's actually quite enjoyable. |
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AvidAnimeViewer said: That's what confused me the most when I heard about it. The VN was released unfinished and had multiple dodgy expansions which led to a lot of user backlash. So then how did it warrant so much support? Were they expecting it to be fixed somehow? Was the story actually good? Is this just a case of shit taste? What happened? The first release of the VN was incomplete, having only two routes and 80% of it was not written by the real author due to corporate memes, and was generally regarded as a mess it was the subsequent expansions that were and are well regarded Dies Irae: Also Sprach Zarathustra (2007) - Had routes for two heroines: Empathic Weapon Marie and Ren's Childhood Friend Kasumi. Due to hasty rewrites, certain key scenes were shortened and back story was left out. In addition, only the first few hours of the game were written by Takashi Masada. Dies irae: Also sprach Zarathustra -die Wiederkunft- (2009) - This version fixed those story problems by adding Masada-written version of Marie and Kasumi route, added some new music and plot to make the whole story more enjoyable and coherent. Dies irae ~Acta est Fabula~ (2009-17) - Added two additional routes for the Tsundere character Kei Sakurai, and the Emotionless Girl Rea Himuro and adding a somewhat vague ending that was filled out in a drama CD. The drama CD was later added as a different ending in ~Amantes amentes~ Dies irae Also sprach Zarathustra ~Acta est Fabula~ -Scharlachrot Grun- (2009-12) - Append disc for the die Wiederkunft version, which adds the aforementioned two routes. A download version was released in 2014. An HD remaster of this version will be released in late September 2017 to commemorate the Anime adaptation. This remaster will not include contents from ~Amantes amentes~ version mentioned below. Dies irae ~Amantes amentes~ (2012-17) - An All-ages release for the PSP which adds a boatload of new contents (CGs, routes, and animated scenes). Two online back stories have been published as well as five Drama CD’s all documenting additional back-story that really explains quite a bit about a lot of the L.D.O. Such as how they all first met and [spoiler content was here]. Much of this content was later incorporated into the Amentes Amentes release as unlockable side-stories. |
Insertanamehere said: Anathor said: Considering it was an introductory episode I expected it to not make any sense for someone who didn't play the VN. But this was more confusing than I was expecting. The animation is, well, you know. This was not an introductory episode in the VN, and was rather meant to be seen after completing at least one route, optimally 2 No idea why they did it first It's better to see it it first imo, it gave background to the LDO |
| clusterfuck the anime |
| Holy shit was this made in 2007? and I thought the CGI chain from Black Clover was bad enough. |
| The animation was kinda bad but it was to be expected. As a huge VN fan I think adapting Die Morgendammerung (it's a Side Story, and one you read after you get pretty far in the novel) as the first thing can be pretty confusing for the new fans, would have been better to just use it as a flashbackspecial episode later on when people were used to the characters. I really liked the use of the original OSTs, the voice acting and most of the stuff tbh, just a bit disappointed they basically skipped the whole fist conversation between Karl and Reinhardt but that would have been way too long so I can undestand. |
Res-NovaeOct 6, 2017 12:21 PM
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| Tbh I'm not sure how to feel about this just yet. There was a lot going on as others have already pointed out, so I'm a bit confused. I might give it a rewatch later but i don't see that being of much help. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| Episode 0 was kinda good, better than what I expected (i wasn't expecting much though). Still, I think a side-story like this one should not be the opening of the series even if it's chronologically correct, so if you are reading this and haven't watched the show yet, I'd suggest you wait for episode 1 and watch this one at a later date, because it gives a completely wrong idea about the plot. BGM is good, as expected. It's always nice to see adaptations making use of the original soundtrack of the VN. But I'm not expecting a great adaptation of a VN that lasts 100h+ and took so much effort to translate properly. (And no, I don't think you'll find nice enough subtitles for this one, so have fun!) And for all those talking about "ridiculous german names" and such... just look them up and find yourselves amazed because they were real people. Always consider looking for these kind of things before saying baseless arguments. ♥ |
Insertanamehere said: AvidAnimeViewer said: That's what confused me the most when I heard about it. The VN was released unfinished and had multiple dodgy expansions which led to a lot of user backlash. So then how did it warrant so much support? Were they expecting it to be fixed somehow? Was the story actually good? Is this just a case of shit taste? What happened? The first release of the VN was incomplete, having only two routes and 80% of it was not written by the real author due to corporate memes, and was generally regarded as a mess it was the subsequent expansions that were and are well regarded Dies Irae: Also Sprach Zarathustra (2007) - Had routes for two heroines: Empathic Weapon Marie and Ren's Childhood Friend Kasumi. Due to hasty rewrites, certain key scenes were shortened and back story was left out. In addition, only the first few hours of the game were written by Takashi Masada. Dies irae: Also sprach Zarathustra -die Wiederkunft- (2009) - This version fixed those story problems by adding Masada-written version of Marie and Kasumi route, added some new music and plot to make the whole story more enjoyable and coherent. Dies irae ~Acta est Fabula~ (2009-17) - Added two additional routes for the Tsundere character Kei Sakurai, and the Emotionless Girl Rea Himuro and adding a somewhat vague ending that was filled out in a drama CD. The drama CD was later added as a different ending in ~Amantes amentes~ Dies irae Also sprach Zarathustra ~Acta est Fabula~ -Scharlachrot Grun- (2009-12) - Append disc for the die Wiederkunft version, which adds the aforementioned two routes. A download version was released in 2014. An HD remaster of this version will be released in late September 2017 to commemorate the Anime adaptation. This remaster will not include contents from ~Amantes amentes~ version mentioned below. Dies irae ~Amantes amentes~ (2012-17) - An All-ages release for the PSP which adds a boatload of new contents (CGs, routes, and animated scenes). Two online back stories have been published as well as five Drama CD’s all documenting additional back-story that really explains quite a bit about a lot of the L.D.O. Such as how they all first met and [spoiler content was here]. Much of this content was later incorporated into the Amentes Amentes release as unlockable side-stories. So depending on what routes were well received, they're probably reserving the extra episodes to adapt certain endings and just shove in whatever was most popular, regardless if the viewing order makes sense or not. That's the kind of vibe I'm getting here. But I don't know how well these stories mesh together and don't know enough to make any real comment. All I know so far is that nothing makes sense and the animation is average to below average. I'm guessing this episode 0 is to provide backstory for something to come, but it's damaging as a first impression. |
AvidAnimeViewer said: So depending on what routes were well received, they're probably reserving the extra episodes to adapt certain endings and just shove in whatever was most popular, regardless if the viewing order makes sense or not. That's the kind of vibe I'm getting here. But I don't know how well these stories mesh together and don't know enough to make any real comment. All I know so far is that nothing makes sense and the animation is average to below average. I'm guessing this episode 0 is to provide backstory for something to come, but it's damaging as a first impression. I'm fairly certain they are adapting Maries route, with some random bits from other routes added in AS for this episode in particular, I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but; Insertanamehere said: This was not an introductory episode in the VN, and was rather meant to be seen after completing at least one route, optimally 2 No idea why they did it first And ofc it was edited to the point of obfuscation from the side story in question that it adapts what's more, they cut into about 3 minutes worth of content from a completely seperate prologue for the ending scenes |
InsertanamehereOct 6, 2017 12:32 PM
| I have literally no idea about any of what just happened: it was all noise with no substance to make me actually care. Now, I don't know anything about the VN, but this seems like a very odd starting point that's likely to just make new viewers not want to watch the show, cos it's not as if all the fights and explosions were well animated or anything. A baffling first episode, but I might appreciate things more when they hopefully start to explain anything that just happened. Also, as a slight aside, that Brenner woman sounds like a man doing an awful impersonation of a woman, but perhaps that's just me. |
| Just a reminder that Reinhard Heydrich is in close contention for the most evil human being in history. |
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| Haven't read the VN, but this just screams garbage VN adaptation. |
| Suwabe was nice.... I'll probably read the VN. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| That was kinda weak for a prelude, the pace was so breakneck that I struggled to keep up with all of the characters being introduced. The music was really good though! Feels like this it's going to be the Fate Apocrappy of this season. |
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| That was genuinely so disorganized. Knew it would be bad adaption because lack of enough episodes and I'm pretty sure (?) they're gonna mix stuff from all routes but this just seems worse than what I expected and I expected it to be pretty bad. Putting Die Morgendammerung as the first thing is a pretty bad idea, especially when they didn't make much of a distinction between it and the prologue part of the VN. Felt like it all happened in one night. I didn't really like how Reinhard and Mercurius are already on about the whole deja vu thing without really explaining anything about what they're referring to since they entirely skipped Mercurius' opening monologue which set the theme of what they'll be focusing on. I mean I know what they're on about from the VN, but feels like they're putting too much content into the first episode and just making things confusing for anime only people. My main complaint is pretty much that. Squishing Die Morgendammerung and the prologue together in such a short period of time felt really off and just made it seem like a genuine clusterfuck. Other than that, it's not really important, but pre-chuuni Reinhard felt pretty off to me. He seemed quite passive to Mercurius' ramblings which seems pretty conflicting of how he was in the VN, i.e. getting pretty constantly annoyed/irked by the guy and insulting him on every turn. The conversation between them felt off as well. Merc's explanation seemed less coherent and Reinhard was much less heated about it. The choppiness and rushing was p funny too. Like the start of Schreiber's and Wilhelm's fight. Reinhard's slaps were pretty funny at least though. |
AirConditionerOct 6, 2017 1:14 PM
| What an unbelievable pile of garbage. Choppy, disjointed, poorly paced, awful dialogues, zero substance. Even leaving the matter of the actual story - or lack thereof - aside, it's just ridiculously bad on the whole. |
Swagernator said: Plenty of bronken edgy german language there with ridiculous german names (as it is common for nipponjin VN). Just terrible. no they're mostly real actually edit:the more i watch this the worse it gets, fuck |
InsertanamehereOct 6, 2017 1:10 PM
| Don't know what to think about this. The episode itself was okay and as others have pointed out it was quite confusing. |
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| Not sure what to think of this as well but it was kinda enjoyable. Pretty confusing in terms of plot as there was really no explanation of what was going on. Animation is okay, it's not too bad. Will continue watching to see if things become more clear and understandable. I like the main duo. |
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| Dissapointed, I haven't played the VN so that's why maybe but still. I found it boring asf, the soundtrack was on point though. The voice acting was also something that was great |
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| Nazi, german setting, german words and phrases, german names, german stuff, crazy characters, corny dialogues, satanic evil-esque music with some electric guitar solo that might fit in Ys games,"IM SO COOOOL" looking characters, generic battles with generic lazy choreography. HOLY SHIT, without exaggerating, this might be the most chuunibyo anime i've ever seen. this is like every 14 years old watchers dream. this is really appaling for me, it's hard to even watch half of the episode dropped |
Cross  AngeHey guys check my profile for current airing season anime recommendation (guaranteed best taste) |
| animation looks really rough but this adaptation might be salvageable solely because of how good the dialogue is in the source material, emphasizing on the opera theme near the end was a neat touch |
This is my exact reaction to this well this episode 0 was uninteresting as fuck, full of random things happening, yet, it is good enough to not drop it at first episode, Guess I'll give it 4 eps law |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Well, that was interesting? |
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| Felt like a parody so random, so messy, so disorganized, I had no idea what happening, some random fight, some random nazi, some random explosion some "badass" fight, some "badass" talk "I love destruction and love everything" WTF? This didnt make any sense other than "Stupid". This brings back memories to Hellsing Ultimate...Stupid and random Huge overhyped fail, it was a feat to even watch it. Just for the laughs I will watch the next episode |
| I struggled to even make it through the episode. It was so confusing- I genuinely had no idea what was going on. I don't know if I'm just dumb or smth, but I literally couldn't make any sense of most of it. Probably dropping, but might give 5 mins of the next ep a go. It can't be any worse than this episode. On the bright side, HOLY FUCK that soundtrack was awesome. |
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Emtwo said: funny to read all these German clusterfuck words in the subs like Obersturmführer rofl. The Names are brilliant too.... and Sieg heil of course *sigh* i can't tell if this is a joke but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer and again most of the character names are real names well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ernst_Krafft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Max_Kircheisen I mean this is bad (awful), but it went nowhere wrong with the naming or german |
InsertanamehereOct 6, 2017 2:49 PM
Emtwo said: Don't get me wrong, everything in there regarding naming was authentic. Clusterfuck is maybe the wrong word to describe. We don't have these "aggressive" military Ranks anymore, so the words are just used in history books and not in common German. That's why it's funny to me, if i read it. Also interessting: Of course they altered the red swastika armband, but they all have the SS pin on the jackeets collar. (of course the SS sign is also forbidden here). It's an Anime i don't take it serious, it's just funny if you are german bc of history. Oh alri then, apologies, my bad. |
| I've been interested in reading the VN, but never got to it, unfortunately. But yeah, I'm not going to expect much if they're going to adapt a long-ass VN into this special and 18 episodes. I'll just enjoy it for what it is. |
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| A lot of stuff happened but it felt like nothing really happened at the same time, because I had no idea of what was going on at all. The character designs, the animation, the action and the music are pretty cool, but I can't tell if they are inside a good story yet. Let's see how it goes. |
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| What the fuck did I just watch?!?! I don't understand anything! Some dude can tell the future and read minds, some dude is powerful as fuck, powerful as fuck dude has servants, two villians, busty chick, busty chick father... and at the end they are all madly powerful and strange??? This is literally bullshit. I'll give it another go since that was an episode 0(????), so hopefully they explain SOMETHING. ANYTHING. P.S. the animation is shit. |
| Basically, they had no way to produce an anime and it shows ... the animation is really not terrible. Nevertheless, I enjoyed this introductory episode, this passage that highlights Reinhard was not mandatory because the base a special episode and I find it nice to highlight it directly. I see that many expect a perfect adaptation, or other people who criticize because there are Nazis, others with Fate, ect ... stop watching the animes in this case, it is not a media made for you, to be so stuck in mind. Masada wanted to share his love and wanted to pass it on to the fans, so I think we have to see this for an anime for the fans, although I think we will never have the road to Rea, Kasumi, and I pass. The budget is limited, but we had to deal with things much worse. And for the misunderstanding of the end of the episode, I can understand, but you have to know how to read correctly when Karl speaks to Reinhard, Dies Irae is philosophical and asks us to reflect on many points, especially when Karl speaks, actions that are logical. Of course, I'm a fan of Dies Irae, but I know there are blackheads in this episode, but I get the impression that most critics are really ridiculous and stops at really unimportant points. "oh my god it's incomprehensible, I stop looking, even if it's episode 0 and I'll have explanations later, no no I stop" or "there are Nazis that will not go far ". The reviews on the animation are the only ones I find acceptable, but once again at the base, this anime should never have appeared, and if it is not terrible, I invite you to inquire about the cost of producing a single episode, which is very expensive. Sorry for my English which is not famous, I am French. |
| Awful in all aspects. Duroppu. |
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| So the music and some of the fancy powers are the only good things about what I've just watched...other than that, this was a severe disappointment and a waste of time. Then again, being episode 0, hopefully it gets better. 5/10 |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| They made it so ep 0 is extremely unfriendly to those who did not played the game - bad move. will ignore ep0 for now as what to come after on the main protag is what gets interesting. |
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| Is it one of those "Make it confusing now but clear it up later" attempts, where we say "Oh" after making sense of the initial confusion? |
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| Granted I was tired when I watched this but I found it difficult to follow. Also, who do I root for? Nazi's are evil y'know. |
| This was so confusing.Can anybody please explain to me that what was actually happening in this episode and who is mc? also i will give this episode a 3/5 and i hope that the next one is way better than this. |
| Oh god, I'm hoping the action in the TV series will be better than this... Anime/manga and German bullshit, that's the combination I hate the most in this medium. It's gonna be hard not to cringe every time some mumbo jumbo german word pops up ffs. Somehow I feel like I'm gonna regret starting this series...4/10. |
joe_g7Oct 8, 2017 3:01 PM
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madarchod said: This was so confusing.Can anybody please explain to me that what was actually happening in this episode and who is mc? also i will give this episode a 3/5 and i hope that the next one is way better than this. The main character is Ren Fuji, he appeared for a few moments in the beginning when Reinhard was descending the staircase. As for what actually happened I heard people say that this is slowpaced and just to be clear the original side story this is based of is more than one hour long, this is actually pretty rushed imho. |
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Res_Novae said: madarchod said: This was so confusing.Can anybody please explain to me that what was actually happening in this episode and who is mc? also i will give this episode a 3/5 and i hope that the next one is way better than this. The main character is Ren Fuji, he appeared for a few moments in the beginning when Reinhard was descending the staircase. As for what actually happened I heard people say that this is slowpaced and just to be clear the original side story this is based of is more than one hour long, this is actually pretty rushed imho. Thanks for the explanation.your explanation really helped me in understanding this episode. |