| One Piece have that I think. A lot. Not a good idea but that's how you get 1 chapter per episode. |
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| I can see why studios use it, but I'm very glad it's dying out, it's a lazy money saving technique and I think it makes a show look bad. |
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| I think stillframes can bring a certain effect. I don't mind it being used to create that atmosphere, but the cost savings should only be a consequence of using it correctly rather than a contributing reason. KaiserNazrin said: One Piece have that I think. A lot. Not a good idea but that's how you get 1 chapter per episode. The 1 chapter 1 episode nonsense HAS to stop, which lunatic in Toei thought it was a good idea? I've given up on ever watching One Piece in animated form ever again, truly a pity what they did. |
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| Given studios use it to save money, its hardly ever going away anytime soon. |
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SeidouTZ said: AntwanMantilla said: Given studios use it to save money, its hardly ever going away anytime soon. True, but at the same time don't you think the consumers are deviating more and more from buying an series that uses such techniques? I wouldn't doubt that at all. If anime fans can rip on a show even for the tiniest details, then surely there are those who won't buy a series because it has constant still frames. |
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KaiserNazrin said: One Piece have that I think. A lot. Not a good idea but that's how you get 1 chapter per episode. one chapter? lol, that would be a bliss episode... now it's technically around 0.5-0.8 chapter per episode... |
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| It wont die out completely just yet although there will be less anime that will use this technique. |
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| Eh? I think it's a clever way to save money without losing some aesthetic. IMHO, beside a money saver, it's also a technique. You could say it's a lazy technique but it just depends on perception. While mostly just a lazy, I believe it too can give you more than moving image in certain occasion/use. Hmm... is "Less is More" applicable here? |
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| i think another reason for ther existence is to reach the desired 22 minutes per week for the tv spot so maybe if the primary distribution mode of anime stops being tv we will see less still frames |
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SeidouTZ said: To specify what necessarily i mean by "still frame", i am referring to single static images that go on for about ~10 sec more or less, no dialogue just some possible background music. This scenes have generally as finallity create tension and/or put a lot of emphasis in what is happening at that moment. This was somewhat common in series from the 80s and 90s, either intentional or used as a clever way to save up budget. However with the current state of the industry (with most studios prioritising movement) do you think "still frames" had/will become something from the past even in genres that would benefit from it like thriller and mystery? Would the most common anime watchers of today appreciate a series for using them or ridicule their usage? As always be sure to share your personal opinion on the topic. A lot of trash tier shows are getting anime adaptations so just to make it even cheaper they just save up money on frames and the soundtrack. It shall never perish. |
| I think still frames will always be a thing. The only real way I can see them going away is if all anime switches to CGI since that is more efficient animation wise. |
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SeidouTZ said: suzuya_mitsuko said: Eh? I think it's a clever way to save money without losing some aesthetic. IMHO, beside a money saver, it's also a technique. You could say it's a lazy technique but it just depends on perception. While mostly just a lazy, I believe it too can give you more than moving image in certain occasion/use. Hmm... is "Less is More" applicable here? That is a valid point yes. Like i said i am not completely against "still frames", even if lazy if used correctly they can even make a particular scene look more impactful. The problem however is when they are used them just for the single purpose of saving money and put zero thought bewind it. I didn't say anything about you against this technique, though. If that's the reason (saving money), I think I'm fine with it as long the excuse is real and reasonable. Saving money could mean anything, ranging from greed to reserved for more important scene. But zero thought? They're just being a dick then, I think. |
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| I liked the still frames in Berserk, but only certain anime call for that sort of stillness. It works in a dramatic scene to draw special attention to something, provided the art in the frame is detailed enough (preferably much more detailed than the animated shots). |
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| Tbh their presence has never bothered me. In fact, I even think I like them; if I want the motion to look very realistic then I watch a straight live-action, to some extent I feel still images are something that makes the anime watching experience more special, they made it more distinctive. |
| Still frames and limited animation won't go away anytime soon . Studios rely on them to save money and time. The only possible way I can see them going away is if all studious worked with bigger budgets and provided better working conditions for their animators. |
| I don't mind still frames in some contexts. In battles they can be great, capturing the intensity of the fight in a single image and letting us linger on the motion. However, they need dialogue, music and a moving camera. If it's completely still, it just screams lack of budget. |
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| Anyone else remember the infamous Wizard Barristers episode 11? Actually, anyone remember Wizard Barristers besides me? |
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ReaperCreeper said: Anyone else remember the infamous Wizard Barristers episode 11? Actually, anyone remember Wizard Barristers besides me? jesus fuck that was literally the worst screw up I ever saw. Don't even remind me of that. That's not using still frames, that's just not finishing the episode, period xD. |
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Darek said: ReaperCreeper said: heh, now I am kinda curious, is it worth watching the anime as a whole? Does not look like something good tbh. Or can I just watch said episode and won't lose much this way?Anyone else remember the infamous Wizard Barristers episode 11? Actually, anyone remember Wizard Barristers besides me? It's an average-to-bad anime and ep 11 was just hilarious. They literally voice acted over stills for over a minute or more because the ep clearly hadn't finished. But I'd assume they fixed it for the BD release so you'd have to get the original TV broadcast to experience all the glory. you can just watch the part in question here I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhmBnaEcbfA |
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Darek said: Pullman said: Not exactly what I expected but still lmao, you can actually hear him trying get up even tho nothing moves XDIt's an average-to-bad anime and ep 11 was just hilarious. They literally voice acted over stills for over a minute or more because the ep clearly hadn't finished. But I'd assume they fixed it for the BD release so you'd have to get the original TV broadcast to experience all the glory. you can just watch the part in question here I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhmBnaEcbfA yeah the fact that you hear the sounds intended to accompany the non-existent movement along with the re-using the same still (and same short animation sequence with the gun) half a dozen times during the dialogue make it really obvious, and it's a pretty long cut too. I've never seen such a big failure before or after in my anime career, it'll always hold a special place in my memory xD. |
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SeidouTZ said: Pullman said: It's an average-to-bad anime and ep 11 was just hilarious. They literally voice acted over stills for over a minute or more because the ep clearly hadn't finished. But I'd assume they fixed it for the BD release so you'd have to get the original TV broadcast to experience all the glory. you can just watch the part in question here I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhmBnaEcbfA This is amazing, why i never heard of this gem? I almost wanna watch the series just to get some context to what the hell is going on XD Do you know if they at least explain to the public the reason for their f*ck up or if they even solved it in the DVD/Blu-ray vesion? Not really, I never really checked up on the show again after I finished it. I would assume they fixed it for the BD (that's what BDs are for) but no idea if they made a statement about the issues or not. |
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SeidouTZ said: rsc-pl said: First of all, still frames are used not for building a tension, but for budged savings. And well, I prefer using well drawn still frames for budget-savings than 3DCG models in any case (like Idolmaster vs Love Live. I don't exactly subscribe of this notion. Just take a look at Angel's Egg for instance, a visual movie with just some very few dialogue lines that uses still frames purposely as a way to convey a tense atmosphere in brilliant matter. Or even with the somewhat infamous "Shinji and Kaworu scene" from Neon Genesis Evangelion. Sure you could say that at that point the studio had already burned out most of their budget, but true be told the scene wouldnt had been nearly as impactful or memorable if Shinji had quickly made a decision. So saying every still frame out there is used with the only purpose of saving money is a bit cut and dry, and it devalue a lot of the directors work. yeah the best argument against still frames being exclusively used to save budget is Dezaki's 'postcard memories' technique which have become a widely used technique in anime although nowadays it is used for for comedy/parody purposes than to enhance dramatic effect. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PastelChalkedFreezeFrame wiki said: Dezaki was known for his distinct visual style, which makes use of split screen, stark lighting, extensive use of dutch angle, and pastel freeze frames that he called "postcard memories", which may be his most famous trademark. They feature a process whereby the screen fades into a detailed "painting" of the simpler original animation. Many of his techniques became popular and came to be seen as special techniques of Japanese animation. He particularly influenced Yoshiaki Kawajiri,[4] Yoshiyuki Tomino,[5] Ryūtarō Nakamura, Noriyuki Abe, Kunihiko Ikuhara,[6] Akiyuki Shinbo,[7] and Yutaka Yamamoto. Personally I love those Dezaki stills and it's part of why he's my favorite director, he just uses them to such good effect in shows like Ashita no Joe or Oniisama e..., it's always a pleasure to watch. |
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SeidouTZ said: Pullman said: yeah the best argument against still frames being exclusively used to save budget is Dezaki's 'postcard memories' technique which have become a widely used technique in anime although nowadays it is used for for comedy/parody purposes than to enhance dramatic effect. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PastelChalkedFreezeFrame Personally I love those Dezaki stills and it's part of why he's my favorite director, he just uses them to such good effect in shows like Ashita no Joe or Oniisama e..., it's always a pleasure to watch. That is very interesting, i seen that technic being used in some well known titles such as Dragon Ball and Gurren Lagann but i never bothered looking up. Now knowing who the big pioneer of it all was, i got say i am looking foward to look up some of his work. Wich series would you recomend starting out with? Well, that depends on what you like and how much tolerance you have for old anime. Most of his best works are from the 70s, but there's also Oniisama e... from the 90s which uses the technique quite well. It's a dramatic shoujo series that tackles a lot of serious topics like depressiong, drug abuse, suicide, past trauma, bullying etc... These Black Jack OVAs are also from the 90s and they're about a black market doctor basically, not entirely realistic but these OVAs are definitely the most mature and interesting take on the franchise imo. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1520/Black_Jack My personal favorites are probably Ashita no Joe (about boxing, very realistic and gritty, great characters and lots of epic and tragic moments, one of the best finales ever) and Takarajima (about pirates, based on the classic Treasure Island story. I love pirates so I'm biased :>). If you like historical drama I can recommend Rose of Versailles and if you like Space Bounty Hunters with a lot of pulp and machismo, Space Cobra is the perfect fit. It's also one of his older shows that are available in remastered 1080p versions, and it looks gorgeous. I really recommend getting it if you decide to go for Space Cobra. I think similar versions are also available for some of his other titles like Ashita no Joe but I'm not 100% sure right now for which titles. And if you like all ages, realistic adventure/travel kind of stories with a lot of tragic moments but also a lot of really rewarding ones, I recommend Ie Naki Ko. It's probably the show with the biggest difference between its emotional highs and lows. Really an emotional rollercoaster in the truest sense of the word. Also one of my few 10/10 shows. He also did some random Lupin Movies and the Golgo 13 movies if you're interested in any of those franchises (the Clannad movie too), as well as some other movies and OVAs but I have to say most of those are just decent but not close to how amazing the above mentioned TV shows were.. The ones I can't really recommend are Hakugei and Ultraviolet. Hope you find something that picks your interest! |
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| Not really, look at a lot of anime that have a pretty small budget, you'll see them a lot. |
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| the only times ive seen it used cleverly was in perfect blue and eva, for psychological breakdown and emphasis i would say that its usage as an avant-garde stylistic visual element has stopped but we still see still frames just as a break from animation during dialogue or when the character is standing all too often in lazy seasonals |
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