| Do you think that it is "acceptable" to have a OP MCs without any limitations? Or do you think it is preferred to have a OP MC as long as he/she paid the same amount of grief/anything to compensate for his/her overpowered abilities? Do you think there are cases, that should be an exception to the story, that the MC don't pursue power but keep the status-quo within it? Or do you think that OP MCs, should exist whenever there is a convenient opportunity? To sum it all up, do you believe that in some circumstances, OP MCs can further enhance the story or it doesn't, not depending on how it is executed but depending on the character's power. |
| Personally I love competent characters with the skills to kick ass and chew bubblegum, who can slaughter enemies with relative ease like Alucard or Tatsuya Shiba. |
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| If op then depends on how mc uses those powers/if he actually worked hard for those powers. I prefer my op MCs to be the op type when it comes to their intellect. It also depends on the situation. It would be boring for an op Mc to just swoop in each time and demolish the enemy. It's fine to stomp them every now and then, but there should be an "evenly matched opponent" fight in there too. I enjoy some op characters as much as the next guy, but my favorite type of main character is probably like Kaiji. Someone who struggles a lot, but when the stakes are high, he goes to face that challenge. An underdog type character. |
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_Ako_ said: Do you think that it is "acceptable" to have a OP MCs without any limitations? Or do you think it is preferred to have a OP MC as long as he/she paid the same amount of grief/anything to compensate for his/her overpowered abilities? Do you think there are cases, that should be an exception to the story, that the MC don't pursue power but keep the status-quo within it? Or do you think that OP MCs, should exist whenever there is a convenient opportunity? To sum it all up, do you believe that in some circumstances, OP MCs can further enhance the story or it doesn't, not depending on how it is executed but depending on the character's power. Either way is fine and acceptable to me. In general though, OP MCs without really any weaknesses works better in comedy (ie One Punch Man and Disastrous Life of Saiki K) than in serious stories. That's when the characters don't need any motivation to seek more power. I would assume limitations in the characters' power(s) would probably make the fans like the show rather than hate it as there is more of a purpose in tuning into the series. Same with having a purpose to becoming really strong because there is a need to save someone or something. Me? I don't care though. MC can be OP as much as the series wants as long as the character is destroying opponents and leaving no trace of them behind, crushing them physically/mentally to the point of near death or actual death, blowing shit up, and/or whatever leaves a destructive path. All will remain an enjoyable experience for me. Or a comedy is fine too. |
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Kruszer said: Personally I love competent characters with the skills to kick ass and chew bubblegum, who can slaughter enemies with relative ease like Alucard or Tatsuya Shiba. I also like those kinds of MC, I like how Tatsuya have the vibe of "a silent killer" kind of thing. He was OP in a sense that his capabilities surpasses everyone, though he paid the price for that. Alucard rings a bell to me, something like the... Ahhh I forgot it... Anyway, I guess one could say that the MC in Grisaia was is also considered OP, but I feel like, yeah he also paid the price. OP MCs in a gag-action/SOLs series would be a great thing, sadly I have seen only quite a few... Saiki-whaever the title was, would be one... MechKingKillbot said: _Ako_ said: Do you think that it is "acceptable" to have a OP MCs without any limitations? Or do you think it is preferred to have a OP MC as long as he/she paid the same amount of grief/anything to compensate for his/her overpowered abilities? Do you think there are cases, that should be an exception to the story, that the MC don't pursue power but keep the status-quo within it? Or do you think that OP MCs, should exist whenever there is a convenient opportunity? To sum it all up, do you believe that in some circumstances, OP MCs can further enhance the story or it doesn't, not depending on how it is executed but depending on the character's power. Either way is fine and acceptable to me. In general though, OP MCs without really any weaknesses works better in comedy (ie One Punch Man and Disastrous Life of Saiki K) than in serious stories. That's where the characters don't need any motivation to seek more power. I would assume limitations in the characters' power(s) would probably make the fans like the show rather than hate it as there is more of a purpose in tuning into the series. Same with having a purpose to becoming really strong because there is a need to save someone or something. Me? I don't care though. MC can be OP as much as the series wants as long as the character is destroying opponents leaving no trace of them behind, crushing them physically/mentally to the point of near death or actual death, blowing shit up, etc, will remain an enjoyable experience. Or a comedy is fine too. Yeah, a MC kicking the shit out of every antagonist is the way to go, to be honest that always makes my heart pumping... Just because, I think it is not within the norm of protags that will train harder and harder to achieve power they sought. The ways OP MCs develops is also another thing. Some series will be "bad" if it were to be, in a nonsensical way that MC reached his OPness through something, though it was funny anyway so I didn't bother. Starlight2001 said: Depends on the genre. Having an OP MC in Isekai is a bad example while having it on a parody/comedy can be a good gag. Also it depends on what kind of power the MC has, and yes i do think theres need to be a limitation. I think the limitation may vary from the target genre, but I feel like the limitation should be easy: It will not go against how the story flows. Even though the series may feel like bad in terms of story but if the OP MC's fits it well, I think that is in itself a "great execution" of character progression. Sterps said: If op then depends on how mc uses those powers/if he actually worked hard for those powers. I prefer my op MCs to be the op type when it comes to their intellect. It also depends on the situation. It would be boring for an op Mc to just swoop in each time and demolish the enemy. It's fine to stomp them every now and then, but there should be an "evenly matched opponent" fight in there too. I enjoy some op characters as much as the next guy, but my favorite type of main character is probably like Kaiji. Someone who struggles a lot, but when the stakes are high, he goes to face that challenge. An underdog type character. Ehhh.. For me, in terms of something that plays with psychological aspects or int, is not really something "OP", I feel like, it is predetermined from the start. Mangaka-san will give hints for that, a battle of "thinking" just, for me is hard to grasp the limit within it, since well, it also goes to mangaka-san's head first, processed there and then let his arm follow it through... |
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| An OP MC with limitations definitely makes for the more interesting character. Take Deku of Hero Academia for example. Inheriting All Might's super strength Quirk gave Deku one of the most powerful abilities of his class, the only problem is he can't use it without injuring himself. So as the series progresses it's been really cool to see how he works around that flaw while also learning to control the quirk. The main problem I find with most OP MC's is that most of the time they're just not really interesting because they have no identity as a character. |
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_Ako_ said: Kruszer said: Personally I love competent characters with the skills to kick ass and chew bubblegum, who can slaughter enemies with relative ease like Alucard or Tatsuya Shiba. I also like those kinds of MC, I like how Tatsuya have the vibe of "a silent killer" kind of thing. He was OP in a sense that his capabilities surpasses everyone, though he paid the price for that. Alucard rings a bell to me, something like the... Ahhh I forgot it... Anyway, I guess one could say that the MC in Grisaia was is also considered OP, but I feel like, yeah he also paid the price. OP MCs in a gag-action/SOLs series would be a great thing, sadly I have seen only quite a few... Saiki-whaever the title was, would be one... MechKingKillbot said: Either way is fine and acceptable to me. In general though, OP MCs without really any weaknesses works better in comedy (ie One Punch Man and Disastrous Life of Saiki K) than in serious stories. That's where the characters don't need any motivation to seek more power. I would assume limitations in the characters' power(s) would probably make the fans like the show rather than hate it as there is more of a purpose in tuning into the series. Same with having a purpose to becoming really strong because there is a need to save someone or something. Me? I don't care though. MC can be OP as much as the series wants as long as the character is destroying opponents leaving no trace of them behind, crushing them physically/mentally to the point of near death or actual death, blowing shit up, etc, will remain an enjoyable experience. Or a comedy is fine too. Yeah, a MC kicking the shit out of every antagonist is the way to go, to be honest that always makes my heart pumping... Just because, I think it is not within the norm of protags that will train harder and harder to achieve power they sought. The ways OP MCs develops is also another thing. Some series will be "bad" if it were to be, in a nonsensical way that MC reached his OPness through something, though it was funny anyway so I didn't bother. Starlight2001 said: Depends on the genre. Having an OP MC in Isekai is a bad example while having it on a parody/comedy can be a good gag. Also it depends on what kind of power the MC has, and yes i do think theres need to be a limitation. I think the limitation may vary from the target genre, but I feel like the limitation should be easy: It will not go against how the story flows. Even though the series may feel like bad in terms of story but if the OP MC's fits it well, I think that is in itself a "great execution" of character progression. Sterps said: If op then depends on how mc uses those powers/if he actually worked hard for those powers. I prefer my op MCs to be the op type when it comes to their intellect. It also depends on the situation. It would be boring for an op Mc to just swoop in each time and demolish the enemy. It's fine to stomp them every now and then, but there should be an "evenly matched opponent" fight in there too. I enjoy some op characters as much as the next guy, but my favorite type of main character is probably like Kaiji. Someone who struggles a lot, but when the stakes are high, he goes to face that challenge. An underdog type character. Ehhh.. For me, in terms of something that plays with psychological aspects or int, is not really something "OP", I feel like, it is predetermined from the start. Mangaka-san will give hints for that, a battle of "thinking" just, for me is hard to grasp the limit within it, since well, it also goes to mangaka-san's head first, processed there and then let his arm follow it through... Yea, I guess it would feel like that due to the unrealistic complicated plans. But intelligent characters can still be op due to the gap between the characters' intellect. Like Tokuchi never losing against anyone in One Outs or nobody being able to find/know Johan exists unless he allows you to in Monster. Although Johan isn't a main character. |
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Caassaac said: If I recall correctly, OP means overpowered. That "over" intrinsically means it's a a bad characteristic. But bleh, semantics. I think they do work, but only in rule of cool and comedy kind of shows. In a serious linear story, a MC like that will most likely destroy almost all tension, and even plausibility. Though I think they're pretty functional when they're villains or antagonists. A OP MC struggling to hold that overpowered stuff within him is certainly sounds pleasing... What more can get wrong with that? I remember like... Mob Psycho 100? In some ways, I find OP MCs in a "serious" series doesn't necessarily destroy it, for me it is always a wonderful thing for it to have that, just to get off with the "I'll work harder and harder to get stronger" kind of thing. amk_2397 said: An OP MC with limitations definitely makes for the more interesting character. Take Deku of Hero Academia for example. Inheriting All Might's super strength Quirk gave Deku one of the most powerful abilities of his class, the only problem is he can't use it without injuring himself. So as the series progresses it's been really cool to see how he works around that flaw while also learning to control the quirk. The main problem I find with most OP MC's is that most of the time they're just not really interesting because they have no identity as a character. That's a good series.. Thank you for spoiling, possibly EP01-02 to me dude! I appreciate it. @Sterps The OP wouldn't be the character but the viewer himself. In some ways he is the one cracking the codes; playing with hints, or possibly arranging the events that could lead to the "answer" in the series. Yes in one way to look at it, I think people consider the characters OP, in terms of intellectual stuff is because, they are watching it. Not thinking about it themselves. Well, either way, in some ways, int can be an advantage but the fact that the author gives it into pieces can be like, a tricky thing. Like, Detective Conan, yeah it is about crimes and stuff but I never, once, in the whole 800+ EPs I have ever found the heck the culprit is. Kudo is smart, yes he is, but in order for him to be that, I think mangaka-san has to at least excite the minds of the viewers first, like how most psychological series would do... |
_Ako_ said: Do you think that it is "acceptable" to have a OP MCs without any limitations? Or do you think it is preferred to have a OP MC as long as he/she paid the same amount of grief/anything to compensate for his/her overpowered abilities? Do you think there are cases, that should be an exception to the story, that the MC don't pursue power but keep the status-quo within it? Or do you think that OP MCs, should exist whenever there is a convenient opportunity? To sum it all up, do you believe that in some circumstances, OP MCs can further enhance the story or it doesn't, not depending on how it is executed but depending on the character's power. MCs who go out of their way to become stronger work fine in battle shounen. Everywhere else, it's okay to have the MC be as powerful as he needs to be from the start. Most action protagonists do not experience any boosts in power during the show. They start out as master samurai, world-conquering wizards, ridiculously well-trained superagents or anything among these lines. Their opposition is usually more numerous and has other advantages, and opposition capable of taking them on one-on-one is rare. And this works very well, because it allows the MCs to do cool stuff from the start. And the stuff they do has to be cool on its own, it's not just "who has the biggest fireball". People who cannot handle that are immature whiners. |
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| Depends on the context. For example OPM plays with the trope really well and uses it to hilarious effect. Other times you have characters like Kirito, where it's played straight and, while it can have good moments, can often feel unearned. Likewise OP main characters can create a power-creep for the antagoists that end up blowing the scale way out of proportion, leading to scenarios like DBZ where only Goku can save the day. Of course that kind of scaling can also be done well like in TTGL where everyone gets their time to shine. At the end of the day it depends how that characters OP-ness is handled within the context of the show. |
| I like it if they have an actual power stated from early on. it goes to shit if its an asspull nakama power. |
| op mc is pretty vague.. are military leaders like reinhard and yang op mc? are impossibly cool gunslingers like trigun and revy op? yawara who never loses at judo but she trains a lot? is any mc who never lose despite not being explicitely stated they're op (like angel layer, utena or ginga bishounen) op? but i guess im ok with any kind of op mc.. good guy always win etc |
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| Like Goku or Kirito? No pls... That is pretty much. |
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| It really depends on the setting. It works really well for One Punch Man, because the show itself isn't trying to be serious, and even when the cast is fighting some almighty powerful being, those enemies tends to be so exxaggerated in terms of strength, that Saitama being ridiculously OP only helps making it even more fun and entertaining to watch. On the other hand, it doesn't fit all to well with SAO because it tries to be serious, it tries to make a story that is partly comedy but still got lots of serious element, but watching Kirito beat everyone left and right with no care gets boring exactly because of that - the villain may seem smart, but because of Kirito's stupid brokeness in comparison to them, it's not entertaining to see him destroy it all. Then you have characters like Alucard who is OP just for the sake of it, but being against nazis makes that's both stupid and hilarious, so win win. |
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| The correct term should be strong or powerful. OP means he/she's too strong/powerful. Strong MCs compensate by facing bigger challenges and/or showing something else than fighting and power levels stuff. IGuts get from lone wolf to renowned, respected and beloved commander in the band of the hawk, there's very little "I NEED MORE STRONGURRR" development in the Berserk even if he do get stronger over time. Kenshin Himura is full of remorse and spend a lot of time repenting. Even Saitama -- this one is truly OP but aside from it being perfectly fine since it's a mostly comedic anime, it would still work because he has problems he can't solve by fighting. Well you know, he could steal a bank and stop living in shitty condition if he wanted to. |
| @Caassaac I get what you are saying. Tension is build-up of everything within the series. The excitement what keeps us from watching it, though I find it quite extremely hard for a OP MC to fail to a certain extend, yeah story has really perfectly unbalance it out. @15poundfish Wouldn't Gon's action in Chimera Ant Arc perfect, in some ways suit how BS Kirito is? Though the differences would be one MC worked harder, whereas in the other series it is implied that he worked harder as a solo player but didn't really actually see the struggle of it, in short, I still find SAO enjoyable despite the lack of story-telling. But yeah I would agree to that, he sure lacks some character background but he is without a doubt OP. @flannan I don't quite understand what you mean, do you perhaps want to point out that authors also balances out the MC's power by having antagonist most likely close to his power, and play around with it? I find that, the same equation as not really OP, in that circumstances that is. Well I find those series happening in Shounen as you speak of, like Naruto. @TheBrainintheJar I find that themes don't limit anything but explores more than what action the character made, his personality and everything. Not necessarily his powers. Though I think I fail to understand how themes would limit it any anyway, if you does have example please make out for it to at least make sense to me. @KuroudoAkabane Nakama power is not that bad, but shitfest when it continues everytime. But a power that was stated early on, is I guess the first marker... @romagia In some ways, OP MCs are vague others perceive it as "smart" or others perceive it as "strong", I find the latter OP. I guess you can say that, even though the MC has never stated, or mangaka-san didn't point-out that the MC has no OPness to it, but it can reflect to his achievements, or the things he/she had done. I find Revy not OP, she just had some screw loose in her brain, that's all, but that what makes her enjoyable to watch. Yeah, as long as the good guy wins, I'm also happy, to a certain extend. |
flannan said: _Ako_ said: Do you think that it is "acceptable" to have a OP MCs without any limitations? Or do you think it is preferred to have a OP MC as long as he/she paid the same amount of grief/anything to compensate for his/her overpowered abilities? Do you think there are cases, that should be an exception to the story, that the MC don't pursue power but keep the status-quo within it? Or do you think that OP MCs, should exist whenever there is a convenient opportunity? To sum it all up, do you believe that in some circumstances, OP MCs can further enhance the story or it doesn't, not depending on how it is executed but depending on the character's power. MCs who go out of their way to become stronger work fine in battle shounen. Everywhere else, it's okay to have the MC be as powerful as he needs to be from the start. Most action protagonists do not experience any boosts in power during the show. They start out as master samurai, world-conquering wizards, ridiculously well-trained superagents or anything among these lines. Their opposition is usually more numerous and has other advantages, and opposition capable of taking them on one-on-one is rare. And this works very well, because it allows the MCs to do cool stuff from the start. And the stuff they do has to be cool on its own, it's not just "who has the biggest fireball". People who cannot handle that are immature whiners. _Ako_ said: @flannan I don't quite understand what you mean, do you perhaps want to point out that authors also balances out the MC's power by having antagonist most likely close to his power, and play around with it? I find that, the same equation as not really OP, in that circumstances that is. Well I find those series happening in Shounen as you speak of, like Naruto. No. I was speaking about situations where MC is explicitly more powerful than anybody who opposes him. His opposition has to rely on numbers, cunning, bigger guns, and the MC gets to pull off crazy stuff to defeat them. This is a standard formula for modern action shows like Black Lagoon or Highschool of the Dead. The fights are explicitly asymmetric, but that does not make them any less exciting or tense. |
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15poundfish said: _Ako_ said: @Caassaac @15poundfish Wouldn't Gon's action in Chimera Ant Arc perfect, in some ways suit how BS Kirito is? Though the differences would be one MC worked harder, whereas in the other series it is implied that he worked harder as a solo player but didn't really actually see the struggle of it, in short, I still find SAO enjoyable despite the lack of story-telling. But yeah I would agree to that, he sure lacks some character background but he is without a doubt OP. I kind of disagree because there was a lot more going on with Gon's character during the arc besides being overpowered in the arc. I am just going off memory, but in Sword Art online the anime did a terrible job in making Kirito someone the viewer should see as likable. The first guild arc in the story seemed like an arc designed to show that Kirito needs to open more and trust his party members instead of keeping them in the dark all of the time. Instead this event never changed his character at all almost like the arc could have been removed entirely. More like, it has turned him off to the concept of guilds and any other long-term partnerships. At least until Asuna got him. Tragic stories do not always teach positive lessons, you know. In particular, Kirito is explicitly not wise, just intelligent and well-intentioned. We see him making a lot of unwise decisions throughout the series, often putting himself or others in great risk. Which is a fitting flaw for a teenager. As for Kirito being likable, it depends on the person. He has 23,447 favorites, making him 10th most favorited character on MAL, and I don't think it's all from people who have read the original novels. |
| Yeah that arc in SAO, was how @flannan explained it. In the series, the "unwise" part doesn't really make sense since I think that part was overwhelmed by him being OP. Though his actions seems to contradict when, he was further involved with Asuna. Ehhh... Kirito, disregarding the story of the series, is actually a great character, yes he got shitty if you include the story and how he was developed, although the development part really took no part in the series, whatsoever I think. @15poundfish When I mean, Gon and Kirito was the same, in that sense is because they are simply OP, disregarding the story, since if I make that into account, it will not match as to well, there was too much stuff within Gon. I don't quite remember what it is but even with the pointers you gave, the sequence in the story is still vague... romagia said: @_Ako_ i donno both she and dutch can do like 10v1 gunning as the good ol' conservation of ninjutsu trope dictates, so id say she is op Lol... Yeah to me that seems like OP. Ballardo said: in dragon ball z they can destroy planets lol But, in the series, have they ever done that? GangsterCat said: its acceptable in mindless action anime like OPM and hellsing Lol... I wouldn't know in what sense both series is a "mindless action" though. Is it because, the action part is only developed through the viewer's excitement? |
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Snappynator said: It really depends on the setting. It works really well for One Punch Man, because the show itself isn't trying to be serious, and even when the cast is fighting some almighty powerful being, those enemies tends to be so exxaggerated in terms of strength, that Saitama being ridiculously OP only helps making it even more fun and entertaining to watch. On the other hand, it doesn't fit all to well with SAO because it tries to be serious, it tries to make a story that is partly comedy but still got lots of serious element, but watching Kirito beat everyone left and right with no care gets boring exactly because of that - the villain may seem smart, but because of Kirito's stupid brokeness in comparison to them, it's not entertaining to see him destroy it all. Then you have characters like Alucard who is OP just for the sake of it, but being against nazis makes that's both stupid and hilarious, so win win. Kirito wasn't really OP though. In relation to most players he seemed powerful, but there were always people strong enough to put him in his place, or people who he couldn't beat without the help of others. He might have won a lot of the time, but in a fair amount of cases it was because of a plot convenience, or because someone saved his ass. So I'd call him powerful, but not OP. |
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| Yeah most times but I think Overlord does a really good job of having op main characters and still creating suspense and excellent world build because how the author does a good job of giving a variety of characters the spot light. I'm talking about the LN by the way. |
| @TheDeadApostle In case of Kirito's standings, the fact that he will solo the shit out of every game, I guess makes him OP, in terms of his rankings compare to other player, I wouldn't be sure about that, there is only, or at least 2 cases in the series, in S1 when his prowesses was showed through PvP. In S2, I am not quite so sure, I think there is one, but, meh... @mattao313 Lol... Overlord seems a good series, though I never get the chance to continue it for a lot of excuses... xD |
| In comedy based shows I like them. OPM Mob etc. But I expect a certain logic in action shows with some rules. Oh look I can slay the final boss because I can hack the game with my feelings. Yea... |
_Ako_ said: @TheDeadApostle In case of Kirito's standings, the fact that he will solo the shit out of every game, I guess makes him OP, in terms of his rankings compare to other player, I wouldn't be sure about that, there is only, or at least 2 cases in the series, in S1 when his prowesses was showed through PvP. In S2, I am not quite so sure, I think there is one, but, meh... @mattao313 Lol... Overlord seems a good series, though I never get the chance to continue it for a lot of excuses... xD Overlord is okay I guess. |
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| @TheDeadApostle In the end, you were on the spot when you said he is not OP but just powerful and I'll take that word. A lot of people have proclaimed that Overlord is good. Ehhh... I am still not quite sure, I have to see it for myself. |
_Ako_ said: @Caassaac I get what you are saying. Tension is build-up of everything within the series. The excitement what keeps us from watching it, though I find it quite extremely hard for a OP MC to fail to a certain extend, yeah story has really perfectly unbalance it out. @15poundfish Wouldn't Gon's action in Chimera Ant Arc perfect, in some ways suit how BS Kirito is? Though the differences would be one MC worked harder, whereas in the other series it is implied that he worked harder as a solo player but didn't really actually see the struggle of it, in short, I still find SAO enjoyable despite the lack of story-telling. But yeah I would agree to that, he sure lacks some character background but he is without a doubt OP. @flannan I don't quite understand what you mean, do you perhaps want to point out that authors also balances out the MC's power by having antagonist most likely close to his power, and play around with it? I find that, the same equation as not really OP, in that circumstances that is. Well I find those series happening in Shounen as you speak of, like Naruto. @TheBrainintheJar I find that themes don't limit anything but explores more than what action the character made, his personality and everything. Not necessarily his powers. Though I think I fail to understand how themes would limit it any anyway, if you does have example please make out for it to at least make sense to me. @KuroudoAkabane Nakama power is not that bad, but shitfest when it continues everytime. But a power that was stated early on, is I guess the first marker... @romagia In some ways, OP MCs are vague others perceive it as "smart" or others perceive it as "strong", I find the latter OP. I guess you can say that, even though the MC has never stated, or mangaka-san didn't point-out that the MC has no OPness to it, but it can reflect to his achievements, or the things he/she had done. I find Revy not OP, she just had some screw loose in her brain, that's all, but that what makes her enjoyable to watch. Yeah, as long as the good guy wins, I'm also happy, to a certain extend. First off, I don't say 'limit' with a bad connotation. These are good limits. They prevent the story from becoming an amorphous mess. The themes limit content and how the story is framed. A story about suicide will not have sections about the plight of the working class. It might find a way to connect this to the theme, but it won't let it be the focus. A story about heroism won't ask environmental questions. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: _Ako_ said: @Caassaac I get what you are saying. Tension is build-up of everything within the series. The excitement what keeps us from watching it, though I find it quite extremely hard for a OP MC to fail to a certain extend, yeah story has really perfectly unbalance it out. @15poundfish Wouldn't Gon's action in Chimera Ant Arc perfect, in some ways suit how BS Kirito is? Though the differences would be one MC worked harder, whereas in the other series it is implied that he worked harder as a solo player but didn't really actually see the struggle of it, in short, I still find SAO enjoyable despite the lack of story-telling. But yeah I would agree to that, he sure lacks some character background but he is without a doubt OP. @flannan I don't quite understand what you mean, do you perhaps want to point out that authors also balances out the MC's power by having antagonist most likely close to his power, and play around with it? I find that, the same equation as not really OP, in that circumstances that is. Well I find those series happening in Shounen as you speak of, like Naruto. @TheBrainintheJar I find that themes don't limit anything but explores more than what action the character made, his personality and everything. Not necessarily his powers. Though I think I fail to understand how themes would limit it any anyway, if you does have example please make out for it to at least make sense to me. @KuroudoAkabane Nakama power is not that bad, but shitfest when it continues everytime. But a power that was stated early on, is I guess the first marker... @romagia In some ways, OP MCs are vague others perceive it as "smart" or others perceive it as "strong", I find the latter OP. I guess you can say that, even though the MC has never stated, or mangaka-san didn't point-out that the MC has no OPness to it, but it can reflect to his achievements, or the things he/she had done. I find Revy not OP, she just had some screw loose in her brain, that's all, but that what makes her enjoyable to watch. Yeah, as long as the good guy wins, I'm also happy, to a certain extend. First off, I don't say 'limit' with a bad connotation. These are good limits. They prevent the story from becoming an amorphous mess. The themes limit content and how the story is framed. A story about suicide will not have sections about the plight of the working class. It might find a way to connect this to the theme, but it won't let it be the focus. A story about heroism won't ask environmental questions. Ohh I see what your point now, that kind of stuff is indeed a great stuff to factor into the series, so following that logic, a OP MC who uses magic, then suddenly became a OP in karate/martial arts seems jumbled or doesn't make sense... |
| of course op mcs can be used to enhance the story and in some cases they are completely integral to what messages and ideas the author is portraying for example one punch man and sakamoto only work because of their op mcs the only issues if op mcs is their usage in some stories when the fact they are op only serves to make the audience fell cheated for the struggle being pointless they are obviouly a bad inclusion but as long as the author has the talent to keep the ilusion and avoid that i have no issue with that |
gabrielrroiz said: of course op mcs can be used to enhance the story and in some cases they are completely integral to what messages and ideas the author is portraying for example one punch man and sakamoto only work because of their op mcs the only issues if op mcs is their usage in some stories when the fact they are op only serves to make the audience fell cheated for the struggle being pointless they are obviouly a bad inclusion but as long as the author has the talent to keep the ilusion and avoid that i have no issue with that I've watched some EPs of Sakamato-whatever next, but please explain how would he be OP? Wouldn't he be more suitable to look as swag or cool or because of his flamboyant nature that just makes everyone cum? Ehh... Yeah... |
_Ako_ said: gabrielrroiz said: of course op mcs can be used to enhance the story and in some cases they are completely integral to what messages and ideas the author is portraying for example one punch man and sakamoto only work because of their op mcs the only issues if op mcs is their usage in some stories when the fact they are op only serves to make the audience fell cheated for the struggle being pointless they are obviouly a bad inclusion but as long as the author has the talent to keep the ilusion and avoid that i have no issue with that I've watched some EPs of Sakamato-whatever next, but please explain how would he be OP? Wouldn't he be more suitable to look as swag or cool or because of his flamboyant nature that just makes everyone cum? Ehh... Yeah... he is perfect in everything but i guess op is not really the right term to describe him |
gabrielrroiz said: _Ako_ said: I've watched some EPs of Sakamato-whatever next, but please explain how would he be OP? Wouldn't he be more suitable to look as swag or cool or because of his flamboyant nature that just makes everyone cum? Ehh... Yeah... he is perfect in everything but i guess op is not really the right term to describe him Well I guess you just describe him like how most user would. |
| I'll announce it here, I "Tried" to like SAO, but really Kirito-kun just ruins it for me when as @Snappynator puts it, in a serious context, everything just goes down the toilet... |
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OppaiSugoi said: I'll announce it here, I "Tried" to like SAO, but really Kirito-kun just ruins it for me when as @Snappynator puts it, in a serious context, everything just goes down the toilet... Well yeah, the problem with SAO was the fact that the MC didn't even have one flawless backbone to it. xD Although despite all of it, up to this day, I still like SAO based on how I enjoyed the series, even though when I take a step back it is really shit. @Snappynator puts his shit completely, but I think what @TheDeadApostle makes more sense and shows how Kirito is a flawed OP MC. Well anyway, I saw their comments and both are right in their own ways so yeah... |
TheBrainintheJar said: _Ako_ said: @Caassaac I get what you are saying. Tension is build-up of everything within the series. The excitement what keeps us from watching it, though I find it quite extremely hard for a OP MC to fail to a certain extend, yeah story has really perfectly unbalance it out. @15poundfish Wouldn't Gon's action in Chimera Ant Arc perfect, in some ways suit how BS Kirito is? Though the differences would be one MC worked harder, whereas in the other series it is implied that he worked harder as a solo player but didn't really actually see the struggle of it, in short, I still find SAO enjoyable despite the lack of story-telling. But yeah I would agree to that, he sure lacks some character background but he is without a doubt OP. @flannan I don't quite understand what you mean, do you perhaps want to point out that authors also balances out the MC's power by having antagonist most likely close to his power, and play around with it? I find that, the same equation as not really OP, in that circumstances that is. Well I find those series happening in Shounen as you speak of, like Naruto. @TheBrainintheJar I find that themes don't limit anything but explores more than what action the character made, his personality and everything. Not necessarily his powers. Though I think I fail to understand how themes would limit it any anyway, if you does have example please make out for it to at least make sense to me. @KuroudoAkabane Nakama power is not that bad, but shitfest when it continues everytime. But a power that was stated early on, is I guess the first marker... @romagia In some ways, OP MCs are vague others perceive it as "smart" or others perceive it as "strong", I find the latter OP. I guess you can say that, even though the MC has never stated, or mangaka-san didn't point-out that the MC has no OPness to it, but it can reflect to his achievements, or the things he/she had done. I find Revy not OP, she just had some screw loose in her brain, that's all, but that what makes her enjoyable to watch. Yeah, as long as the good guy wins, I'm also happy, to a certain extend. First off, I don't say 'limit' with a bad connotation. These are good limits. They prevent the story from becoming an amorphous mess. The themes limit content and how the story is framed. A story about suicide will not have sections about the plight of the working class. It might find a way to connect this to the theme, but it won't let it be the focus. A story about heroism won't ask environmental questions. lol most stories about heroism have some sort of environmental question |
15poundfish said: flannan said: More like, it has turned him off to the concept of guilds and any other long-term partnerships. At least until Asuna got him. He never wanted to join a guild in the first place, in the beginning he acts like an edge lord by saying he is the best player in the entire game and the people in game respond in a way that makes no logical sense in the context of the world. He even admits solo play is a bad thing, but further on he can almost solo raid bosses by himself by not joining a guild while the highest level guilds together struggle to defeat bosses. 1) Please note that 75th level boss was a lot more powerful than Gleam Eyes (74th level boss, I think). The books explain that 25th level and 50th level bosses were like that too. 2) Guilds (and Kirito himself) normally adopt a "safety first" approach to fighting bosses. Which is why they always bring too much firepower to every fight. 3) Yes, Kirito's "dual blades" skill is not fair. Deal with it. Is it the first time you've seen an unfair ability in a fighting anime? They happen all the time. 15poundfish said: flannan said: Tragic stories do not always teach positive lessons, you know. In particular, Kirito is explicitly not wise, just intelligent and well-intentioned. We see him making a lot of unwise decisions throughout the series, often putting himself or others in great risk. Which is a fitting flaw for a teenager. There was no lesson at all other than the people in this anime are almost mentally retarded in comparison to Kirito. The first guild didn't change him at all, there was not subtle character development or regression to show that such an event mattered in the story. The anime uses flash backs but there is nothing about his character that changed after a traumatic event. Its referenced in the second episode that there are limits of solo play but Kirito never experiences those consequences himself by not joining a guild. He still out levels characters like Asuna, who is in a high level guild that has specialized professions. This makes no sense in MMORPG games when min maxing and specialization through guilds is the fastest way to level up. You can only do that efficiently in a guild because of crafting professions and more people means you can destroy mobs exponentially faster than a solo player. Another of these "SAO should be balanced exactly like that one MMORPG I played!" arguments. Why do you people even think so, when the underlying RPG system in SAO is so obviously different? I mean, most MMORPGs are class-based, while SAO is classless. And there are no healers or magic-users there. Yes, SAO supports solo play. It is not the best approach, but it is playable, rewarding the solo player with a bit more levels than team players. The approach breaks down when you max out your "kill enemies" stats in lategame, yet the enemies continue growing stronger. Kirito met that limit near the end of SAO. |
TheDeadApostle said: You are right, however I would point out that against_Ako_ said: @TheDeadApostle In case of Kirito's standings, the fact that he will solo the shit out of every game, I guess makes him OP, in terms of his rankings compare to other player, I wouldn't be sure about that, there is only, or at least 2 cases in the series, in S1 when his prowesses was showed through PvP. In S2, I am not quite so sure, I think there is one, but, meh... @mattao313 Lol... Overlord seems a good series, though I never get the chance to continue it for a lot of excuses... xD Overlord is okay I guess. |
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15poundfish said: flannan said: 1) Please note that 75th level boss was a lot more powerful than Gleam Eyes (74th level boss, I think). The books explain that 25th level and 50th level bosses were like that too. 2) Guilds (and Kirito himself) normally adopt a "safety first" approach to fighting bosses. Which is why they always bring too much firepower to every fight. 3) Yes, Kirito's "dual blades" skill is not fair. Deal with it. Is it the first time you've seen an unfair ability in a fighting anime? They happen all the time. 1) its not explained in the anime, we don't know how strong a boss is other than the final floor boss can 1 shot players. We don't even see the battles most of the time other than a flashy attack and than a cut to the battle being already over. 2) If that was true why do we rarely see buff items or other consumables used during battles? 3) The problem is not the dual blades its the implication of him having this special skill. He had this skill in the episodes were he just sat there and let his allies die to other bosses by not using his full power. It makes him an evil character and no characters really call him out on that. 2) SAO does not have much in the way of consumables. Also, unlike that Skyrim video where Dovakiin stops time to eat 20 cabbages all at once, fighters have to consume them in real time, while trying not to die from boss and his minions. As a result, during battle it's all healing potions. And even for that, players have to retreat to the back row and have somebody cover them. 3) He did not have the skill from the first day. In particular, he did not have it when Back Alley Cats died. But keeping secrets from other people has been his style from the start, and he is shown still doing that in SAO2 2nd arc. You are free to hate him for that. 15poundfish said: flannan said: The rabbit episode proofs that foods grant buffs to players and we know there are recovery potions, crafting professions, rare crafting materials, etc. A guild that specializes in gathering those items would crush any loner solo player because of numbers. Also we are not told if they reached the max level in the anime and what the level cap is of the monsters.Another of these "SAO should be balanced exactly like that one MMORPG I played!" arguments. Why do you people even think so, when the underlying RPG system in SAO is so obviously different? I mean, most MMORPGs are class-based, while SAO is classless. And there are no healers or magic-users there. Yes, SAO supports solo play. It is not the best approach, but it is playable, rewarding the solo player with a bit more levels than team players. The approach breaks down when you max out your "kill enemies" stats in lategame, yet the enemies continue growing stronger. Kirito met that limit near the end of SAO. In SAO, there is no rule that crafters can't sell stuff to people outside of their guild. In fact, we are shown Kirito buying a sword from a player blacksmith. With a working player economy and good info on hunting spots, it is quite possible for a solo players to have pretty good gear too. |
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