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Feb 26, 2017 9:06 AM
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Feb 26, 2017 9:13 AM
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you know there are lots of filipinos that support that move considering there are lots of criminal minded street kids here and washingtonpost is right a lot of filipino critics here also call this war on criminals as war on the poor here because the big rich criminals are alive and just jailed while the criminals that are poor are shot to dead |
Feb 26, 2017 9:20 AM
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j0x said: you know there are lots of filipinos that support that move considering there are lots of criminal minded street kids here Supporting the murder of children who with the right teachings can become a productive member of society. SAD. |
Feb 26, 2017 9:27 AM
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Veneficia said: j0x said: you know there are lots of filipinos that support that move considering there are lots of criminal minded street kids here Supporting the murder of children who with the right teachings can become a productive member of society. SAD. im against this war on criminals too and ye i think the best way to lessen crimes is to lessen poverty but i can somehow see why a lot of filipinos think that way since we are overpopulated and the government cannot provide enough jobs for a lot of us here so a lot of filipinos work abroad but even on abroad the jobs are becoming scarce and they need highly skilled and smart people that a lot of philippine education cannot provide that is why a lot of filipinos even the religious ones support free birth control methods by the government to control the population so if only the church here would finally allow it then it will be another good alternative to lessen poverty and crimes here |
Feb 26, 2017 10:04 AM
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Durtete needs to kill some high level drug bosses if his war wants to be success. Veneficia said: j0x said: you know there are lots of filipinos that support that move considering there are lots of criminal minded street kids here Supporting the murder of children who with the right teachings can become a productive member of society. SAD. They are already corrupted to the core, better to put them down now. |
Feb 26, 2017 12:24 PM
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This is a very touchy subject and an even harder decision to make. Reteaching these children that their pedants were 'Evil' and training them to think in a way that aligns best with their society would be expensive and theres no way of knowing if it worked without waiting. It's an action with a more predictable and absolute result but it is very drastic and if nothing else it should be seen as something that underlines the how much the Philippines is hurting from actions of these people and how much it really needs this. I hope this seriously does change things because it's something that shouldn't be done without a lot of thought. The Philippines needs to make sure to implement a system that discourages new people from rising up to fill the vacant slots in their criminal circuits after something like this or all this would just be a irresponsible waste of life. On a separate note, It looks. like Duterte's testing Kira's plan just a little to see if it works. Theory: He has a Death Note, I called it. |
XoulReaperFeb 26, 2017 12:33 PM
Feb 26, 2017 12:51 PM
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XoulReaper said: Theoretically no 9 year old has a solid grasp on "good" and "evil". The idea that you can condemn a person before even allotting appropriate time for moral development is frightening as at this point you quite literally are arguing that poor people should die. Strange conclusion? No, because without even the cognitive functioning necessary for what would be considered an "adult's morality", "evil" children will purely be those who grew up in an environment in which making "evil" choices was an option. Given the context of this discussion being focused on Duterte's drug war, the conclusion I can draw is that you think it "drastic" but justified to slaughter children purely because of the environment with which they were born (i.e. poor locations in which drug use is rampant)Reteaching these children that their pedants were 'Evil' and training them to think in a way that aligns best with their society would be expensive and theres no way of knowing if it worked without waiting. If the Philippines decide that a 9 year old is old enough to be responsible for his / her actions, then when can we expect to see brothels w/ 9 year olds? 9 year old alcoholics? Or best of all, when are the Philippines going to become the sweat shop capital of the world? Isn't odd that you can be held accountable for your actions at 9 years old, but can't even work a job until you are 18 in the Philippines? |
Pirating_NinjaFeb 26, 2017 12:57 PM
Feb 26, 2017 1:01 PM
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Feb 26, 2017 2:33 PM
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He has the right of it, kill the kids before they grow up to kill you. Kefka Approved |
Feb 26, 2017 2:43 PM
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@Pirating_Ninja In places like Brazil the street children are used by adults to steal stores because they cannot get in trouble which has lead to shopowners hiring people to kill street-children. Not only that but they steal from everyone in order to survive. There are hordes and hordes of children that are homeless and parentless in Latin places of the world and they are used by criminals to commit crimes due to how they get off scot-free in addition to committing crimes like stealing and prostitution. That's the justification I see him using. |
Feb 26, 2017 2:50 PM
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Neane93 said: So your argument is that, because your own government is corrupt (as in Brazil), and thus lacks the basic resources required to punish criminals and further secure the livelihoods of children, it is justifiable for vigilantes to then kill them. Mind you, this is further than just giving the death sentence to a shop lifter or drug mule, since that implies a trial had been held. @Pirating_Ninja In places like Brazil the street children are used by adults to steal stores because they cannot get in trouble which has lead to shopowners hiring people to kill street-children. Not only that but they steal from everyone in order to survive. There are hordes and hordes of children that are homeless in Latin places of the world and they are used by criminals to commit crimes due to how they get off scot-free. That's the justification I see him using. You can toss blame all you want, but if in that whole situation in Brazil, w/ an extremely corrupt government, and thugs using children, you blame the children, thus deserving of being killed, I do think something is wrong with you. -------------------------------------- Having said that, you are not only putting words in his mouth, you are misinterpreting (intentional or not) what this is. What he is doing is not outright saying "Go kill children", he is saying that 9 year old children should be seen as "adults" under the justice system - which of course with their Orwellian police force means will be fair game to shoot (should they, you know, be capable of identifying a corrupt police officer accepting hush money from the actual drug dealers or something else that would inconvenience the authorities). However, why don't you explain to me, that if it is fair to assume that a child should be held responsible for their actions, why the age of consent in the Philippines is not also 9? Or how about the drinking age? Age requirement to join the work force? If it is justifiable to treat them as adults, then what justification is there for arbitrarily deciding when you can or cannot do so? If having a 9 year old wife is wrong because she is "just a child", then what makes it right to execute that child? Wasn't the 9 year old "just a child" a second ago? |
Pirating_NinjaFeb 26, 2017 2:53 PM
Feb 26, 2017 2:57 PM
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@Pirating_Ninja I wasn't saying anything good about it or me saying that it should happen, I just saying that given what is happening in places like Brazil I had somewhat of a viewpoint of what is happening. In that he's doing this so that kids, who are seen in the eyes of the public there as soon to be criminals if they aren't already, don't have the ability to be clean (no crimes are attributed to them) if they commit crimes. Which in this case would result in them being killed. And that this is the justification that he is using for this from what I know of Latin places. And when I mean justification I mean him making it appear to everyone that he's right in what he's doing. |
removed-userFeb 26, 2017 3:17 PM
Feb 26, 2017 3:04 PM
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Well filipinos voted for him Dont get why people are defending the murder of children in the forum. |
Feb 26, 2017 3:16 PM
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Pirating_Ninja said: Neane93 said: So your argument is that, because your own government is corrupt (as in Brazil), and thus lacks the basic resources required to punish criminals and further secure the livelihoods of children, it is justifiable for vigilantes to then kill them. Mind you, this is further than just giving the death sentence to a shop lifter or drug mule, since that implies a trial had been held. @Pirating_Ninja In places like Brazil the street children are used by adults to steal stores because they cannot get in trouble which has lead to shopowners hiring people to kill street-children. Not only that but they steal from everyone in order to survive. There are hordes and hordes of children that are homeless in Latin places of the world and they are used by criminals to commit crimes due to how they get off scot-free. That's the justification I see him using. You can toss blame all you want, but if in that whole situation in Brazil, w/ an extremely corrupt government, and thugs using children, you blame the children, thus deserving of being killed, I do think something is wrong with you. -------------------------------------- Having said that, you are not only putting words in his mouth, you are misinterpreting (intentional or not) what this is. What he is doing is not outright saying "Go kill children", he is saying that 9 year old children should be seen as "adults" under the justice system - which of course with their Orwellian police force means will be fair game to shoot (should they, you know, be capable of identifying a corrupt police officer accepting hush money from the actual drug dealers or something else that would inconvenience the authorities). However, why don't you explain to me, that if it is fair to assume that a child should be held responsible for their actions, why the age of consent in the Philippines is not also 9? Or how about the drinking age? Age requirement to join the work force? If it is justifiable to treat them as adults, then what justification is there for arbitrarily deciding when you can or cannot do so? If having a 9 year old wife is wrong because she is "just a child", then what makes it right to execute that child? Wasn't the 9 year old "just a child" a second ago? In those parts of the world, a Child can drop your ass faster than an adult with an illegally gained handgun or Assault Rifle. There is a reason why across third world shit holes the world over kids are used as enforcers. It's 2nd nature to them and they are easy to condition. At that age they don't know right from wrong and will do pretty much whatever you tell them. While its true some of them might be wrongly accused, they can't be discounted as they are children. Physically a child is no threat, but the gun changed that. This isn't the US or the UK. Shop lifting is the least of what street children do in those regions. And there is no realistic way they can police the area to Western Norms anymore than the US could contain the Wild West without doing it from the barrel of a gun. Might suck having to kill a kid, but it sucks more to be killed by one as your sentimentalities prevent you from solving the problem by the only means open to you. |
Feb 26, 2017 3:34 PM
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@Neane93 Sorry misread then. RedArmyShogun said: Pirating_Ninja said: Neane93 said: @Pirating_Ninja In places like Brazil the street children are used by adults to steal stores because they cannot get in trouble which has lead to shopowners hiring people to kill street-children. Not only that but they steal from everyone in order to survive. There are hordes and hordes of children that are homeless in Latin places of the world and they are used by criminals to commit crimes due to how they get off scot-free. That's the justification I see him using. You can toss blame all you want, but if in that whole situation in Brazil, w/ an extremely corrupt government, and thugs using children, you blame the children, thus deserving of being killed, I do think something is wrong with you. -------------------------------------- Having said that, you are not only putting words in his mouth, you are misinterpreting (intentional or not) what this is. What he is doing is not outright saying "Go kill children", he is saying that 9 year old children should be seen as "adults" under the justice system - which of course with their Orwellian police force means will be fair game to shoot (should they, you know, be capable of identifying a corrupt police officer accepting hush money from the actual drug dealers or something else that would inconvenience the authorities). However, why don't you explain to me, that if it is fair to assume that a child should be held responsible for their actions, why the age of consent in the Philippines is not also 9? Or how about the drinking age? Age requirement to join the work force? If it is justifiable to treat them as adults, then what justification is there for arbitrarily deciding when you can or cannot do so? If having a 9 year old wife is wrong because she is "just a child", then what makes it right to execute that child? Wasn't the 9 year old "just a child" a second ago? In those parts of the world, a Child can drop your ass faster than an adult with an illegally gained handgun or Assault Rifle. There is a reason why across third world shit holes the world over kids are used as enforcers. It's 2nd nature to them and they are easy to condition. At that age they don't know right from wrong and will do pretty much whatever you tell them. While its true some of them might be wrongly accused, they can't be discounted as they are children. Physically a child is no threat, but the gun changed that. This isn't the US or the UK. Shop lifting is the least of what street children do in those regions. And there is no realistic way they can police the area to Western Norms anymore than the US could contain the Wild West without doing it from the barrel of a gun. Might suck having to kill a kid, but it sucks more to be killed by one as your sentimentalities prevent you from solving the problem by the only means open to you. 1) Brazil is 3rd world now? Is Canada third world? Russia? Brazil's economy isn't something to scoff at. Unequal wealth distribution leading to large pockets of poverty is completely at the hands of a corrupt government. For said government to turn around and fault the results of their own corruption is disgusting to say the least. 2) Again you are ignoring the overall point of this entire fucking thread and creating some imaginary (and blatantly false + convenient) scenario in which you are being held at gunpoint. However, let us say that the kid was just a drug mule - no gun, no history of violence, etc. Now, you arrest said individual, still no gun, no murder, none of that. Since you agree with the "drastic measures" of Duterte, does that mean you agree that said child should be tried as an adult? Mind you that those killed on the street have been overwhelmingly unarmed drug addicts who were ambushed (making your scenario even more full of shit) - Furthermore, you seem to claim that children are primarily the dangers in these countries . . . I haven't ever heard of this, can you provide any type of evidence that either A) Children are more likely to murder you B) Children are the primary "enforcers", or even C) Children being exploited by adults are primarily used as some type of pseudo-hit man 3) You are still blaming the child. However again, if you can hold the child accountable for crime, why still define them as "a child"? I mean isn't it a win-win if you don't? I'm sure their is some creepy person who wants at least 1-2 9 year old brides (or husbands), and hey, it'll get them off the street too. So, it's not wrong right? That's totally fine, right? Where is this moral line of yours, I can't tell if I crossed it. |
Feb 26, 2017 3:54 PM
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Pirating_Ninja said: @Neane93 Sorry misread then. RedArmyShogun said: Pirating_Ninja said: Neane93 said: So your argument is that, because your own government is corrupt (as in Brazil), and thus lacks the basic resources required to punish criminals and further secure the livelihoods of children, it is justifiable for vigilantes to then kill them. Mind you, this is further than just giving the death sentence to a shop lifter or drug mule, since that implies a trial had been held. @Pirating_Ninja In places like Brazil the street children are used by adults to steal stores because they cannot get in trouble which has lead to shopowners hiring people to kill street-children. Not only that but they steal from everyone in order to survive. There are hordes and hordes of children that are homeless in Latin places of the world and they are used by criminals to commit crimes due to how they get off scot-free. That's the justification I see him using. You can toss blame all you want, but if in that whole situation in Brazil, w/ an extremely corrupt government, and thugs using children, you blame the children, thus deserving of being killed, I do think something is wrong with you. -------------------------------------- Having said that, you are not only putting words in his mouth, you are misinterpreting (intentional or not) what this is. What he is doing is not outright saying "Go kill children", he is saying that 9 year old children should be seen as "adults" under the justice system - which of course with their Orwellian police force means will be fair game to shoot (should they, you know, be capable of identifying a corrupt police officer accepting hush money from the actual drug dealers or something else that would inconvenience the authorities). However, why don't you explain to me, that if it is fair to assume that a child should be held responsible for their actions, why the age of consent in the Philippines is not also 9? Or how about the drinking age? Age requirement to join the work force? If it is justifiable to treat them as adults, then what justification is there for arbitrarily deciding when you can or cannot do so? If having a 9 year old wife is wrong because she is "just a child", then what makes it right to execute that child? Wasn't the 9 year old "just a child" a second ago? In those parts of the world, a Child can drop your ass faster than an adult with an illegally gained handgun or Assault Rifle. There is a reason why across third world shit holes the world over kids are used as enforcers. It's 2nd nature to them and they are easy to condition. At that age they don't know right from wrong and will do pretty much whatever you tell them. While its true some of them might be wrongly accused, they can't be discounted as they are children. Physically a child is no threat, but the gun changed that. This isn't the US or the UK. Shop lifting is the least of what street children do in those regions. And there is no realistic way they can police the area to Western Norms anymore than the US could contain the Wild West without doing it from the barrel of a gun. Might suck having to kill a kid, but it sucks more to be killed by one as your sentimentalities prevent you from solving the problem by the only means open to you. 1) Brazil is 3rd world now? Is Canada third world? Russia? Brazil's economy isn't something to scoff at. Unequal wealth distribution leading to large pockets of poverty is completely at the hands of a corrupt government. For said government to turn around and fault the results of their own corruption is disgusting to say the least. 2) Again you are ignoring the overall point of this entire fucking thread and creating some imaginary (and blatantly false + convenient) scenario in which you are being held at gunpoint. However, let us say that the kid was just a drug mule - no gun, no history of violence, etc. Now, you arrest said individual, still no gun, no murder, none of that. Since you agree with the "drastic measures" of Duterte, does that mean you agree that said child should be tried as an adult? Mind you that those killed on the street have been overwhelmingly unarmed drug addicts who were ambushed (making your scenario even more full of shit) - Furthermore, you seem to claim that children are primarily the dangers in these countries . . . I haven't ever heard of this, can you provide any type of evidence that either A) Children are more likely to murder you B) Children are the primary "enforcers", or even C) Children being exploited by adults are primarily used as some type of pseudo-hit man 3) You are still blaming the child. However again, if you can hold the child accountable for crime, why still define them as "a child"? I mean isn't it a win-win if you don't? I'm sure their is some creepy person who wants at least 1-2 9 year old brides (or husbands), and hey, it'll get them off the street too. So, it's not wrong right? That's totally fine, right? Where is this moral line of yours, I can't tell if I crossed it. 1.Portions of Brazil's inner cities might as well be third world. The favela are a sure sign of this, nor did anyone mention Canada or Russia, though Russia had the same issues in the 90's. Mafia factional battles settled that, but it used to be one could not walk the street without a risk of being sniped. The governments being at fault is inconsequential. If the money and authority is not there, then central authority cannot act. People short of ideological reasoning's DO NOT work for free, more so when its a situation in which a strong hand is needed. Would you donate time to the soup kitchens and invite orphans to your succor when the Federal Government is not able? Doubtful. 2. Stop being a little bitch and search for Child soldiers, or the role of children in gangs in the region you are interested in. As to how justice should be handled it should vary on a case by case bases. If they know what they were doing then its guilty as charged. Your argument on marriage is oranges and apples, holding someone to a crime does not nor should go hand in hand with rights. In either case I'm not a federal official of any of those states, at times reports come in on child crime, but its like shootings in the US, when the numbers are in the thousands its not longer news unless its special. Talk to some of the locals, see them complain on there own sources. You seem to operate under the illusion that everything in life is factual and documented. Much is purposely off the books, so little shits like you can't make trouble with your Q_Q ing. The World is a corrupt shitty place. Get off your High class American horse. 3. Who's more to blame, the sword, or the hand that wields it? They might have done what they needed to survive, but a great number of civil officials and soldiers over the years were hanged for such argument. Might not be fair, might not be right, but at times the only thing you can punish is the Sword. |
Feb 26, 2017 4:32 PM
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Feb 26, 2017 6:44 PM
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typical 3rd world coonery. |
Feb 26, 2017 6:56 PM
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@Pirating_Ninja Children at that age can do have an idea of what 'Evil' and 'Good' is but I'm not saying that they know what their parents are doing and just go along with it, They have no choice in the matter as children. What I was saying is that after killing their parents and then introducing them to whatever system is put in place to take care of them (I don't know the policies that are set for things like this over there but I can't imagine it's very good). They will know what happened and they will know that their parents were 'Evil' people and were killed because of that Knowing that and living in whatever system you were put into and coming out as an adult. You would think someone that had to live through that would have a very negative reaction and outlook on the society in which they exist. I don't personally think killing children is right and I know there are other methods that could be used to remedy the situation, like with most things. But there aren't always recourses or systems set up to handle existing problems within a society. YES, it's very sad that that's how it went, but I think it should be seen as a reaction to the situation at hand, and after understanding the problem the only thing that can be done is come up with another solution that WILL fix the problem or watch as others fix it. |
Feb 26, 2017 7:14 PM
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XoulReaper said: I'm of this opinion as well. While it's not pretty there is probable cause for such actions with the rising drug use of the population and the manipulation of children in organized crime. To think children will not be influenced growing up in that kind of business is foolish. Once they're older there is a good chance they will repeat the cycle onto the next generation. That said, there are better alternatives, but presently they may not be possible economically or logistically. Anyone who is abhorred over this should reach out with the Philippine government and people, donate or raise funds in order to establish a better alternative.I don't personally think killing children is right and I know there are other methods that could be used to remedy the situation, like with most things. But there aren't always resources or systems set up to handle existing problems within a society. |
Feb 26, 2017 7:15 PM
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RedArmyShogun said: 1.Portions of Brazil's inner cities might as well be third world. The favela are a sure sign of this, nor did anyone mention Canada or Russia, though Russia had the same issues in the 90's. Mafia factional battles settled that, but it used to be one could not walk the street without a risk of being sniped. The governments being at fault is inconsequential. If the money and authority is not there, then central authority cannot act. People short of ideological reasoning's DO NOT work for free, more so when its a situation in which a strong hand is needed. Would you donate time to the soup kitchens and invite orphans to your succor when the Federal Government is not able? Doubtful. Reason I mentioned Canada and Russia is because both countries have an economy smaller than that of Brazil. As for the latter half, the corrupted government of Brazil is actually 90% of the problem with their country. Their President recently got ousted by another corrupt part purely because she was MORE corrupt. It didn't come down to "She is corrupt, we don't want her", it was "She is more corrupt, let's go w/ someone who isn't as corrupt". When these idiots funnel all of the money to a select few, despite continuous taxes, they are essentially robbing from the poor to further fund the rich, and it plays a massive role in poverty. However that is besides the point, your initial claim was "This isn't the US or the UK." - and how 3rd world countries are so much more dangerous, but now you bring up the slums? The US has troubled areas as well, and guns are even easier to acquire in the US than in Brazil - and yet, I don't see anyone saying that what we should do, is give our police a free-pass to shoot down any child they think might in any way be related to either using / selling / etc. of drugs. A 9 year old in the US is far more likely to have access to a handgun (or rifle), and yet here we are. RedArmyShogun said: 2. Stop being a little bitch and search for Child soldiers, or the role of children in gangs in the region you are interested in. As to how justice should be handled it should vary on a case by case bases. If they know what they were doing then its guilty as charged. Your argument on marriage is oranges and apples, holding someone to a crime does not nor should go hand in hand with rights. In either case I'm not a federal official of any of those states, at times reports come in on child crime, but its like shootings in the US, when the numbers are in the thousands its not longer news unless its special. Talk to some of the locals, see them complain on there own sources. You seem to operate under the illusion that everything in life is factual and documented. Much is purposely off the books, so little shits like you can't make trouble with your Q_Q ing. The World is a corrupt shitty place. Get off your High class American horse. So your argument here is, you know your right even though it is obviously hidden from public eye and therefore you have never actually seen the "proof" that would be required to actually back up your conviction. My "High class American horse" is referring to being educated I presume? |
Feb 26, 2017 7:25 PM
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I don't want a child dead as much as the next guy, but in some cases it needs to be done. I don't know if that particular reason is just and all, but if you've ever been in the Philippines most poorest parts, you know you have to be alert regardless of anyone that comes to you. I'm not saying everyone there is evil and wants your money, but people are becoming desperate. Even kids can bee taught to hold you up with a knife and take your money. This is something no one can understand unless you've actually been to the poverty lines. I am not supporting du30's actions at all, but there are some cases where a child can be a danger to public safety, and so needs to be put down. The reality of it is that the Philippines is too unstable to be able to support a growing population of almost 100 million and can spend more money to educate the people, it is cheaper to get rid of them however harsh it may sound. |
Feb 27, 2017 2:17 AM
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I honestly just want to see how all of this ends. If Duterte did the right thing, then statistics will show it. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Feb 27, 2017 2:19 AM
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why no duduter no into action savings german recenly |
Feb 27, 2017 4:15 AM
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Don't apply American rationalization to a part of the world you're out of your depth in. I don't know how it is in the Philippines, but elsewhere in the world Child soliders are a very real thing. They won't hesitate to rob and kill you. It's the only thing they know and it's how they survive. It's unfortunate children grow up this way but that's life. Consider yourself lucky you hit the jackpot when it came to growing in the UK or States. |
Feb 27, 2017 5:17 AM
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SpamuraiSensei said: I agree to everything this person said. Don't apply American rationalization to a part of the world you're out of your depth in. I don't know how it is in the Philippines, but elsewhere in the world Child soliders are a very real thing. They won't hesitate to rob and kill you. It's the only thing they know and it's how they survive. It's unfortunate children grow up this way but that's life. Consider yourself lucky you hit the jackpot when it came to growing in the UK or States. Stay the fuck out of our business. While I appreciate the concern, you don't know what it is like living in here. Take it from me who grew up in Tondo, that's like Detroit but 10x worse. What do you think of 9 year olds? Pretty little angels? Maybe. But not the 9 year olds here. Though for me 9 is just a bit too young, 11-12 might be better. Duterte is an evil bastard. But he's an evil bastard that we need. |
Feb 27, 2017 5:35 AM
#27
Implying he wasn't already mad. Duterte is not only a horrible person he is a poor strategist. What should be done is place an embargo on countries the meth comes from which is mostly from China IRC and he should just stop giving a damn about weed and legalize that along with a few other low addiction drugs. Also good rehab programs need to be in place. Some drugs good for rehab include drugs like ibogain and LSD. He should try to improve the economy too since it's mostly poor people doing drugs. I assume it's a mix of escapism and trying to stay awake more to work longer hours. I'm disgusted by those that support this guy. |
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Feb 27, 2017 1:08 PM
#29
SpamuraiSensei said: Don't apply American rationalization to a part of the world you're out of your depth in. I don't know how it is in the Philippines, but elsewhere in the world Child soliders are a very real thing. They won't hesitate to rob and kill you. It's the only thing they know and it's how they survive. It's unfortunate children grow up this way but that's life. Consider yourself lucky you hit the jackpot when it came to growing in the UK or States. 1. We are talking about the Philippines, not Sudan. 2. We are talking about drug mules / drug addicts, not child soldiers. Getting sick of this "anywhere but the West is a 3rd world warzone and therefore everything is justified" - Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds when you start rationalizing lowering the age of adulthood with regards to the law to the age of 9 years old, and then say "justified cause child soldiers" and are talking about the Philippines? |
Feb 27, 2017 3:33 PM
#30
Pirating_Ninja said: SpamuraiSensei said: Don't apply American rationalization to a part of the world you're out of your depth in. I don't know how it is in the Philippines, but elsewhere in the world Child soliders are a very real thing. They won't hesitate to rob and kill you. It's the only thing they know and it's how they survive. It's unfortunate children grow up this way but that's life. Consider yourself lucky you hit the jackpot when it came to growing in the UK or States. 1. We are talking about the Philippines, not Sudan. 2. We are talking about drug mules / drug addicts, not child soldiers. Getting sick of this "anywhere but the West is a 3rd world warzone and therefore everything is justified" - Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds when you start rationalizing lowering the age of adulthood with regards to the law to the age of 9 years old, and then say "justified cause child soldiers" and are talking about the Philippines? How are you that ignorant of what's been discussed in this topic? Child Soliders traffic drugs and rob too. They're both taken advantage of. My post literally says I don't know what it's like in the Philippines. Learn to read. |
SpamuraiSenseiFeb 27, 2017 3:39 PM
Feb 27, 2017 4:24 PM
#31
SpamuraiSensei said: I did read, however you making such a random post in this thread means that you honestly believe that the child soldiers you hear of being raised to fight for warlords in Africa is what is happening in the Philippines. If not, then why would you post it as it holds no relevance to the thread whatsoever. I'm not talking about how the Danes make dank danishes in this thread now am I? Not too mention it runs contradictory to your latter conclusion if you don't believe their are child soldiers running amok in the Philippines. (Do note, by saying "this isn't the US / UK", you essentially implied it was a nation which would have child soldiers, and therefore Western values need not apply)Pirating_Ninja said: SpamuraiSensei said: Don't apply American rationalization to a part of the world you're out of your depth in. I don't know how it is in the Philippines, but elsewhere in the world Child soliders are a very real thing. They won't hesitate to rob and kill you. It's the only thing they know and it's how they survive. It's unfortunate children grow up this way but that's life. Consider yourself lucky you hit the jackpot when it came to growing in the UK or States. 1. We are talking about the Philippines, not Sudan. 2. We are talking about drug mules / drug addicts, not child soldiers. Getting sick of this "anywhere but the West is a 3rd world warzone and therefore everything is justified" - Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds when you start rationalizing lowering the age of adulthood with regards to the law to the age of 9 years old, and then say "justified cause child soldiers" and are talking about the Philippines? How are you that ignorant of what's been discussed in this topic? Child Soliders traffic drugs and rob too. They're both taken advantage of. My post literally says I don't know what it's like in the Philippines. Learn to read. But I'll ignore all that, and give you the benefit of the doubt - In a thread on the Filipino govt. lowering criminal accountability to the age of 9, instead of commenting one way or the other, your comment is a random comment that basically justifies killing children in a situation where they are armed and will kill you otherwise. Why you feel the need to make such a comment in the face of authoritarian human rights violations, in which child soldiers are a non-issue, I don't know, but very well. |
Pirating_NinjaFeb 27, 2017 4:29 PM
Feb 27, 2017 4:38 PM
#32
Dude, Duterte is teaching China how to reduce its population... I mean his teaching China first-hand... xD j0x said: and washingtonpost is right a lot of filipino critics here also call this war on criminals as war on the poor here because the big rich criminals are alive and just jailed while the criminals that are poor are shot to dead I'm still waiting to the day that corpse will be on top of Duterte and he's smirking... Like, "bois... Tis is how you do it..." |
_Ako_Feb 27, 2017 4:41 PM
Feb 27, 2017 5:05 PM
#33
Pirating_Ninja said: SpamuraiSensei said: I did read, however you making such a random post in this thread means that you honestly believe that the child soldiers you hear of being raised to fight for warlords in Africa is what is happening in the Philippines. If not, then why would you post it as it holds no relevance to the thread whatsoever. I'm not talking about how the Danes make dank danishes in this thread now am I? Not too mention it runs contradictory to your latter conclusion if you don't believe their are child soldiers running amok in the Philippines. (Do note, by saying "this isn't the US / UK", you essentially implied it was a nation which would have child soldiers, and therefore Western values need not apply)Pirating_Ninja said: SpamuraiSensei said: Don't apply American rationalization to a part of the world you're out of your depth in. I don't know how it is in the Philippines, but elsewhere in the world Child soliders are a very real thing. They won't hesitate to rob and kill you. It's the only thing they know and it's how they survive. It's unfortunate children grow up this way but that's life. Consider yourself lucky you hit the jackpot when it came to growing in the UK or States. 1. We are talking about the Philippines, not Sudan. 2. We are talking about drug mules / drug addicts, not child soldiers. Getting sick of this "anywhere but the West is a 3rd world warzone and therefore everything is justified" - Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds when you start rationalizing lowering the age of adulthood with regards to the law to the age of 9 years old, and then say "justified cause child soldiers" and are talking about the Philippines? How are you that ignorant of what's been discussed in this topic? Child Soliders traffic drugs and rob too. They're both taken advantage of. My post literally says I don't know what it's like in the Philippines. Learn to read. But I'll ignore all that, and give you the benefit of the doubt - In a thread on the Filipino govt. lowering criminal accountability to the age of 9, instead of commenting one way or the other, your comment is a random comment that basically justifies killing children in a situation where they are armed and will kill you otherwise. Why you feel the need to make such a comment in the face of authoritarian human rights violations, in which child soldiers are a non-issue, I don't know, but very well. You're speaking out of ignorance assuming way too much. It's almost like you have a personal vendetta against me. I merely said other parts of the world operate differently than the US and UK. And their policies don't work in other regions. Somehow you took it that I'm okay with children being killed even though I clearly stated it's an unfortunate circumstance of their environment. Other countries have already been mentioned in this thread. You've even argued with another user in this thread about them. I don't know what your issue is, but please stop quoting me. I really have nothing I want to say to you. |
Feb 28, 2017 12:18 AM
#34
pinoy kids out in the streets now? mmo's have failed them |
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