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Feb 11, 2017 10:20 AM
#201
Isterio said: bigivelfhq said: Z4k said: bigivelfhq said: [Even when talking of cinematography and directing, Bleach and Naruto have a lot of what I would call worst. Hyperbole much? 15 character limit Nope, they did horrible stuff like, flashing close ups of people in circles and getting each full rotation faster. Like: Orihime, Ichigo, Chad, Grimjow, ... gets faster Orihime, Ichigo, Chad, Grimjow, ... gets faster Orihime, Ichigo, Chad, Grimjow, ... ... Stuff like that! I don't even know who was the person that thought that was a good idea. Stuff like that can hurt the health of people, just like the Pokemon thing did. While that´s true it doesn´t come close to the atrocities that Toei pulls off with One Piece and Dragon Ball just because while not delivering any quality animation for One Piece since a decade and only occasionally for DBS and nothing that can live up to the best Dragon Ball Z has delivered. You can put up the best momments of DBZ with the best momments of Naruto from an animation standpoint alone, alongside each other and be impressed, wether or not you know about animation or not. Modern Toei on the other hand, managed to perfect the art of bad animation. Still frames, with terrible line work, non existant, washed out backrounds and botched character designs that´d make Pain blush. No matter how you put it, from an artistic standpoint, Toei is just lazy and greedy. And I understand that they put their talented animators to work on the OVAs and Movies. which do look gorgeous with a few screuwups, but there are still better looking Movies out there and they haven´t delivered anything yet to reach certain flight Animations Dragon Ball Z shit out during it´s regular run. Still frames is a cinematorgraphic technique, are you telling that is worse than what I'm telling here? Are you saying that a simple shortcut that is easily processed by your brain and understood is worse than something that can possible hurt you in a physical way? The rest is something that shouldn't be discussed here! |
Feb 11, 2017 10:23 AM
#202
HamburgerSpike said: Z4k said: bigivelfhq said: [Even when talking of cinematography and directing, Bleach and Naruto have a lot of what I would call worst. Hyperbole much? 15 character limit Inexperience and arrogance. @bigivelfhq if this amv is the best you can get from a 73 episodes show, thats just sad. Its mostly really mediocre quality, try watching any random OPM or Mob related vid and youll see. As for examples like I said earlier there are thousands of compilations showing just how bad Toei's animation is, im not gonna link them all since thats common knowledge. I guess youre the kinda guy who wouldnt agree with me without a gun next to his head. Have a nice day believing the Earth is flat. Why do you like to deviate thing to favour your agenda? Who ever talked about it being amazing and compared it with any other series? It was a simple response to Kuma about, World Trigger horrible handled and worst animation than DBS and One Piece. Nothing more nothing less. Don't bring extra stuff that has nothing more than your personal ranting. |
bigivelfhqFeb 11, 2017 10:34 AM
Feb 11, 2017 10:33 AM
#203
Z4k said: bigivelfhq said: Z4k said: bigivelfhq said: [Even when talking of cinematography and directing, Bleach and Naruto have a lot of what I would call worst. Hyperbole much? 15 character limit Nope, they did horrible stuff like, flashing close ups of people in circles and getting each full rotation faster. Like: Orihime, Ichigo, Chad, Grimjow, ... gets faster Orihime, Ichigo, Chad, Grimjow, ... gets faster Orihime, Ichigo, Chad, Grimjow, ... ... Stuff like that! I don't even know who was the person that thought that was a good idea. Stuff like that can hurt the health of people, just like the Pokemon thing did. Could you post an example of those horrible close ups? It can't have been worse than what Toei does with DBS or the entire Dressrosa arc in One Piece. Also about Naruto, I'm honestly baffled you think the direction and cinematography is worse than DBS and One Piece there. There's so many well directed episodes there that if you'd want, I could make a huge list out of them while I couldn't say the same for DBS or One Piece even though it has their fair share of good moments. I don't look for Bleach videos in the internet, what I saw was in the series during episodes. And it didn't happen an isolated time, but many. And again, did Toei ever had a some directing problem that could potentially arm the audience? NOPE, and so the Bleach problem is in fact worse than what Toei does with DBS and the entire Dressrosa arc in One Piece. So Naruto have many well directed episodes, and ... did I said it didn't had any? Or are you saying that the episodes were all directed in the same level? Are you for a chance being biased and forgetting everything bad done by Naruto because it was in different episodes from the "good" ones? And again, this is not something to discuss here, and my point was that just talking of the good of Naruto and Bleach and just of the bad of One Piece and DBS isn't in any way a good argument. And in the end it isn't a competition of quality between the series, and the quality of the series isn't defined by just animation, and animation quality isn't defined by sakuga moments that impress people. In fact Sakuga is literally just Fanservice! |
Feb 11, 2017 10:37 AM
#204
bigivelfhq said: Still frames is a cinematorgraphic technique, are you telling that is worse than what I'm telling here? Are you saying that a simple shortcut that is easily processed by your brain and understood is worse than something that can possible hurt you in a physical way? The rest is something that shouldn't be discussed here! From an artistic standpoint yes. If getting hurt is a requirement for the Art to be delivered in the way the artist created it to be it´s better than the missusage of a cinematographic tool. For example, if you´re watching a stand up comedian and one of his skits involves an audience member getting slapped to the face, the comedy was delivered by inflicting physical pain to the specific audience member, while making him and everyone observing it laugh! Wether or not it was funny is subjective and to be decided by the individual. On the other hand openly misshandling an established artistic tool because you´re too cheap or too lazy is a crime against the arts. What Toei does is equivalent to replacing a prop in a theatre play with an mundane item. Why build a papier mâché sword and paint it if you can just use a stick of wood. This is what Toei does! Toei´s animation is garbage, definately worse than Pierrot by today´s standards and if you say otherwise you´re lying to yourself and everyone you´re trying to convince. Yes Disney is the best for a good reason and Animation isn´t about consistent movement, but about anything involved. Creativity, coloring, complexity of design and how natural the movement is all play a role. There is a reason hentai artists do their research by watching porn and Tetsuya Nomura watched Disney Movies for a year before creating Kingdom hearts 1. |
IsterioFeb 11, 2017 10:42 AM
Feb 11, 2017 10:46 AM
#205
Isterio said: HamburgerSpike said: @bigivelfhq if this amv is the best you can get from a 73 episodes show, thats just sad. Its mostly really mediocre quality, try watching any random OPM or Mob related vid and youll see. As for examples like I said earlier there are thousands of compilations showing just how bad Toei's animation is, im not gonna link them all since thats common knowledge. I guess youre the kinda guy who wouldnt agree with me without a gun next to his head. Have a nice day believing the earth is flat. It´s no secret that Toei doesn´t care about their animation quality anymore. If you want to see actuall good animation from Toei. Watch some of DBZ Movies or go rewatch DBZ. You´ll be surprised what it had in store during it´s best momments. The openings speak for themselves. Nonetheless according to rumors I don´t remember who said it here on the forums Toei is the best paying animation Studio in Japan which is commendable and they mainly struggle with their animation because no sane person wants to enter that industry anymore. Which is why you´re mostly left with Otaku as animators with the urge of drawing cute girls and nothing else to hire. There are a few documanteries on the subject. But basicly when Miyazaki said Anime was a mistake he meant because of those people. So much misinformation! It is not rumours, it was me and it had trustworthy sources, that talked in detail about various companies average salaries, with Toei Animation being the best one! The Miyazaki and Otaku animators surge drawing cute girls hasn't to do with Toei Animation, because Toei Animation doesn't do stuff for Otakus, excepting some infrequent occasions. The closest people to be related to that phenomenon of Otakus drawing to Otakus in Toei Animation is Izumi Todo, that is the collective pseudonym of workers in Toei that does Original Girl Anime works. |
Feb 11, 2017 11:06 AM
#206
Isterio said: bigivelfhq said: Still frames is a cinematorgraphic technique, are you telling that is worse than what I'm telling here? Are you saying that a simple shortcut that is easily processed by your brain and understood is worse than something that can possible hurt you in a physical way? The rest is something that shouldn't be discussed here! From an artistic standpoint yes. If getting hurt is a requirement for the Art to be delivered in the way the artist created it to be it´s better than the missusage of a cinematographic tool. For example, if you´re watching a stand up comedian and one of his skits involves an audience member getting slapped to the face, the comedy was delivered by inflicting physical pain to the specific audience member, while making him and everyone observing it laugh! Wether or not it was funny is subjective and to be decided by the individual. On the other hand openly misshandling an established artistic tool because you´re too cheap or too lazy is a crime against the arts. What Toei does is equivalent to replacing a prop in a theatre play with an mundane item. Why build a papier mâché sword and paint it if you can just use a stick of wood. This is what Toei does! Toei´s animation is garbage, definately worse than Pierrot by today´s standards and if you say otherwise you´re lying to yourself and everyone you´re trying to convince. Yes Disney is the best for a good reason and Animation isn´t about consistent movement, but about anything involved. Creativity, coloring, complexity of design and how natural the movement is all play a role. There is a reason hentai artists do their research by watching porn and Tetsuya Nomura watched Disney Movies for a year before creating Kingdom hearts 1. Wow, such authoritative and absolutist way or argument! It totally makes your argument valid and correct ... it doesn't! And not to talk about how little justifications and evidences you provided within your arguments, making them literally useless. LOL, are you really saying that Pierrot directing decision in those cases was an artistic decision with the purpose of inflicting physical harm to the audience? LOL, they are such great artists! Though it didn't worked as well as OLM with their Pokemon antic. So I would say that due to the effect it did it was just mediocre xD "Toei's animation is garbage" "If you say otherwise than your ..." such great argumentation, you totally convinced me and anybody reading your argument. Such excellent eloquence. You earned a devoted fan! Nope, animation is not about anything involved! - Animation is not Creativity(Though Animation can be creative). - Animation is not the Coloring. - Animation is not the Complexity of design. And what are you talking about "complexity" of design? What? Complexity of something is not a good thing. And specially of Design. Where simple is the best. Do you know who were the people that focused in simple designs, and talking a lot about characters being able to be recognizable just by their silhouettes? You guessed it right, Disney! - Animation is not about how natural the movement is. Disney, again, talked a lot about how the illusion of life and movement, is not achieved by providing how things are seen in nature, but by exaggeration. And it was in that way that the "Squash and stretch" turned into a major principle of animation. One that is rarely used well, purposely, in anime. I recommend you to go read the book, by one of the great animators of Disney, "The Animator's Survival Kit - Richard Williams " -> Here is the site: http://www.theanimatorssurvivalkit.com/ |
Feb 11, 2017 11:13 AM
#207
bigivelfhq said: So much misinformation! It is not rumours, it was me and it had trustworthy sources, that talked in detail about various companies average salaries, with Toei Animation being the best one! The Miyazaki and Otaku animators surge drawing cute girls hasn't to do with Toei Animation, because Toei Animation doesn't do stuff for Otakus, excepting some infrequent occasions. The closest people to be related to that phenomenon of Otakus drawing to Otakus in Toei Animation is Izumi Todo, that is the collective pseudonym of workers in Toei that does Original Girl Anime works. 1. Good for you on that one and probs for Toei for being at least decent to their workers. I heard Pierrot pays decent too, though decent is a stretch since animators get paid terrible wage no matter where they work, if they aren´t big names in the industry. 2. I am aware of Toei not producing inherently Otaku pandering material, nonetheless I´m also aware of Robin´s and Namis changing bust sizes and no this is not parallel to the Manga. In the Anime they go through way more transformations back and forth and I´m also aware of where the focus in the animation goes whenever there is a Rebecca scene ,who also had a severe case of breast implants being shoved in an out of her chest. Don´t lie, if you know half as much about animation as you pretend you noticed too! The scene where Luffy lies on top of Rebecca and pins her down became infamous among the community for a while. So please, don´t come at me with all that bullshit about being missinformed. Furthermore, I´m not saying that Toei is an Otaku pandering company like Gainax or Kyoto Animation, but the industry as a whole is plagued by an overabundance of Otaku with onesided ambitions and interests which Toei has to deal with as well. |
Feb 11, 2017 11:22 AM
#208
bigivelfhq said: Disney, again, talked a lot about how the illusion of life and movement, is not achieved by providing how things are seen in nature, but by exaggeration. And it was in that way that the "Squash and stretch" turned into a major principle of animation. One that is rarely used well, purposely, in anime. I recommend you to go read the book, by one of the great animators of Disney, "The Animator's Survival Kit - Richard Williams " -> Here is the site: http://www.theanimatorssurvivalkit.com/ If you want to intimidate life you don't take inspiration from life? that's contradictory and everything not based on reality already involves exaggeration. Most of those aren't animation either, that's directing. |
Feb 11, 2017 11:25 AM
#209
Isterio said: bigivelfhq said: So much misinformation! It is not rumours, it was me and it had trustworthy sources, that talked in detail about various companies average salaries, with Toei Animation being the best one! The Miyazaki and Otaku animators surge drawing cute girls hasn't to do with Toei Animation, because Toei Animation doesn't do stuff for Otakus, excepting some infrequent occasions. The closest people to be related to that phenomenon of Otakus drawing to Otakus in Toei Animation is Izumi Todo, that is the collective pseudonym of workers in Toei that does Original Girl Anime works. 1. Good for you on that one and probs for Toei for being at least decent to their workers. I heard Pierrot pays decent too, though decent is a stretch since animators get paid terrible wage no matter where they work, if they aren´t big names in the industry. 2. I am aware of Toei not producing inherently Otaku pandering material, nonetheless I´m also aware of Robin´s and Namis changing bust sizes and no this is not parallel to the Manga. In the Anime they go through way more transformations back and forth and I´m also aware of where the focus in the animation goes whenever there is a Rebecca scene ,who also had a severe case of breast implants being shoved in an out of her chest. Don´t lie, if you know half as much about animation as you pretend you noticed too! The scene where Luffy lies on top of Rebecca and pins her down became infamous among the community for a while. So please, don´t come at me with all that bullshit about being missinformed. Furthermore, I´m not saying that Toei is an Otaku pandering company like Gainax or Kyoto Animation, but the industry as a whole is plagued by an overabundance of Otaku with onesided ambitions and interests which Toei has to deal with as well. Yep, cute girls/Moe is totally the same thing as Big Boobs, Ecchi and Fanservice(ecchi oriented). They are totally the same thing. |
Feb 11, 2017 11:29 AM
#210
ichii_1 said: bigivelfhq said: Disney, again, talked a lot about how the illusion of life and movement, is not achieved by providing how things are seen in nature, but by exaggeration. And it was in that way that the "Squash and stretch" turned into a major principle of animation. One that is rarely used well, purposely, in anime. I recommend you to go read the book, by one of the great animators of Disney, "The Animator's Survival Kit - Richard Williams " -> Here is the site: http://www.theanimatorssurvivalkit.com/ If you want to intimidate life you don't take inspiration from life? that's contradictory and everything not based on reality already involves exaggeration. Most of those aren't animation either, that's directing. Did I talked anything about taking inspiration? Did Isterio? Didn't he said that Animation is how natural the movement is? But if as I'm saying, is in fact exaggerations of the natural(and so inspirations of it), how can they be how natural is? |
Feb 11, 2017 11:32 AM
#211
bigivelfhq said: Isterio said: bigivelfhq said: Still frames is a cinematorgraphic technique, are you telling that is worse than what I'm telling here? Are you saying that a simple shortcut that is easily processed by your brain and understood is worse than something that can possible hurt you in a physical way? The rest is something that shouldn't be discussed here! From an artistic standpoint yes. If getting hurt is a requirement for the Art to be delivered in the way the artist created it to be it´s better than the missusage of a cinematographic tool. For example, if you´re watching a stand up comedian and one of his skits involves an audience member getting slapped to the face, the comedy was delivered by inflicting physical pain to the specific audience member, while making him and everyone observing it laugh! Wether or not it was funny is subjective and to be decided by the individual. On the other hand openly misshandling an established artistic tool because you´re too cheap or too lazy is a crime against the arts. What Toei does is equivalent to replacing a prop in a theatre play with an mundane item. Why build a papier mâché sword and paint it if you can just use a stick of wood. This is what Toei does! Toei´s animation is garbage, definately worse than Pierrot by today´s standards and if you say otherwise you´re lying to yourself and everyone you´re trying to convince. Yes Disney is the best for a good reason and Animation isn´t about consistent movement, but about anything involved. Creativity, coloring, complexity of design and how natural the movement is all play a role. There is a reason hentai artists do their research by watching porn and Tetsuya Nomura watched Disney Movies for a year before creating Kingdom hearts 1. Wow, such authoritative and absolutist way or argument! It totally makes your argument valid and correct ... it doesn't! And not to talk about how little justifications and evidences you provided within your arguments, making them literally useless. LOL, are you really saying that Pierrot directing decision in those cases was an artistic decision with the purpose of inflicting physical harm to the audience? LOL, they are such great artists! Though it didn't worked as well as OLM with their Pokemon antic. So I would say that due to the effect it did it was just mediocre xD "Toei's animation is garbage" "If you say otherwise than your ..." such great argumentation, you totally convinced me and anybody reading your argument. Such excellent eloquence. You earned a devoted fan! Nope, animation is not about anything involved! - Animation is not Creativity(Though Animation can be creative). - Animation is not the Coloring. - Animation is not the Complexity of design. And what are you talking about "complexity" of design? What? Complexity of something is not a good thing. And specially of Design. Where simple is the best. Do you know who were the people that focused in simple designs, and talking a lot about characters being able to be recognizable just by their silhouettes? You guessed it right, Disney! - Animation is not about how natural the movement is. Disney, again, talked a lot about how the illusion of life and movement, is not achieved by providing how things are seen in nature, but by exaggeration. And it was in that way that the "Squash and stretch" turned into a major principle of animation. One that is rarely used well, purposely, in anime. I recommend you to go read the book, by one of the great animators of Disney, "The Animator's Survival Kit - Richard Williams " -> Here is the site: http://www.theanimatorssurvivalkit.com/ The guy who animated "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" said so. SO YOU SHALL ENSUE! Do you also know that the guy recomments to not listen to anything while animating. Every freelancing animator will tell you that´d they rather kill themselves than follow this guys advice. He did some good works, but he also did some terrible ones like "The Thief and the Cobble" and not everyone is Don BLuth or Walt Disney either, they did some amazing works, but also really shitty ones, by the end Disney didn´t animate at all. |
IsterioFeb 11, 2017 11:56 AM
Feb 11, 2017 12:01 PM
#212
bigivelfhq said: Yep, cute girls/Moe is totally the same thing as Big Boobs, Ecchi and Fanservice(ecchi oriented). They are totally the same thing. Because cute girls are the only Otaku pandering material known to mankind.!!! TELL THE WORLD! Obviously Otaku of whom several thousands find this sexually arousing cannot like big Boobs, because there is no diversity among them! Genius counterargument. Give this man an award for genius argumentation! Splendind! Newsflash, this just came in THIS IS NOT OTAKU PANDERING!!! Praise bigivelfhq the all knowing for this clarification! The unrivaled genius, that clearead up this missconception! This special was clearly made for kids to enjoy. FOR KIDS! |
IsterioFeb 11, 2017 12:16 PM
Feb 11, 2017 12:22 PM
#213
Isterio said: stuff "Which is why you´re mostly left with Otaku as animators with the urge of drawing cute girls and nothing else to hire." -> later talks about ecchi. Defence? Is also a form of Otaku pandering. "This special was clearly made for kids to enjoy. FOR KIDS!" -> Yep, because the definition of Otaku is "not for kids". Omedeto! |
bigivelfhqFeb 11, 2017 12:30 PM
Feb 11, 2017 1:19 PM
#214
bigivelfhq said: Isterio said: stuff "Which is why you´re mostly left with Otaku as animators with the urge of drawing cute girls and nothing else to hire." -> later talks about ecchi. Defence? Is also a form of Otaku pandering. "This special was clearly made for kids to enjoy. FOR KIDS!" -> Yep, because the definition of Otaku is "not for kids". Omedeto! http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cute |
Feb 11, 2017 1:29 PM
#215
Isterio said: bigivelfhq said: Isterio said: stuff "Which is why you´re mostly left with Otaku as animators with the urge of drawing cute girls and nothing else to hire." -> later talks about ecchi. Defence? Is also a form of Otaku pandering. "This special was clearly made for kids to enjoy. FOR KIDS!" -> Yep, because the definition of Otaku is "not for kids". Omedeto! http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cute Now you're just embarrassing yourself! |
Feb 11, 2017 2:02 PM
#216
Do not question the man the knows it all! Because he said so! |
Feb 14, 2017 2:08 AM
#218
HamburgerSpike said: Kuma said: HamburgerSpike said: Kuma said: bigivelfhq said: Kuma said: OT: just copiying from another thread since i found it related... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-02-09/japanese-bd-dvd-sales-down-6.2-percent-from-2015/.112040 so, the total of blue ray/dvd profit is decrease, even with the increas in overall amount... is this sign of streaming starting to competate? are japan anime industries will finnaly adapt to streaming like their neighboor country? nanbaka is first i know it half aired in tvand ONA and they decide go fully ONA in recent times... i tough it the sign they they found internet streaming give them profit.. does seitokai no ichizon is fail simply because the market isn't ready yet? 2016 just was a really bad year for series disk sales. This year is already showing to be better. Unless something really bad happens in the next 3 seasons, it will go closer to 2015, and maybe even surpass. This year we will have One Piece Film Gold Disk sales, Kimi no Na Wa Disk Sales, Attack on Titan, Yuri on ice, Love Live 2 and more. When I have time I will put Toei Animation 3rd Quarter sales. Basically it got an amazing increase. I believe it already sold more money than the entire last year. the disk sale it self increase.. it was the profit that fall... that's why it's strange in my eyes.... HamburgerSpike said: Kuma said: HamburgerSpike said: bigivelfhq said: HamburgerSpike said: bigivelfhq said: HamburgerSpike said: Everyone looking at this graph and still saying Toei is a good studio should be fkin imprisoned :D What graph? Given the fact that Toei gave us in 2016 - Dragon Ball Super - One Piece (TV series) - One Piece -Heart of Gold - One Piece Film Gold - Precure - Precure Movie - Precure All Stars Movie - Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3 - Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters - Digimon Tri Determination Movie - Digimon Tri Confession Movie - Tiger Mask W - Pop in Q Movie Yep, I would say they are good! Their earnings to quality ratio is the worst of any existing studio. You have OP anime and manga in your favs so I assume you know how they are butchering it, same with DBS. From what Ive heard Tiger Mask W is also lacking in production value. https://youtu.be/wbRBHJuhRbE This guy expresses what im talking about pretty well What is this "quality" you're talking? Specify please, just sending a wide word like that means little. And also what has earning to quality ratio has anything with the series and studio being good or not? Like idk maybe read the whole freakin comment?? Watch the vid, if youre not able to sacrifice 6min then theres no discussion. Im too tired now to explain everything, going to sleep, bye love you honey the maker of this video: >didn't understand how anime industries works >he have no knowladge for anime studio either >he didn't even fucking understand what animation is yeah totaly legit discussion.... also what we talking here is objective value of anime...which mean profit, industries, data reception, and money flows health... not your forced "subjective" values.... nobody in industries and people that talking here care... Can you make some actual arguments? Like quote-breakdown? I am not talking about any subjective values. Im talking about the shit animation DBS and One Piece(also pacing) have compared to other anime series, even tho Toei is by far the biggest fucking company. again, my point still stands... > talking about anime studio > talking about anime industries > didn't know what production comitee is (hence why he mentioned madhouse) > talking about animation quality > profiding pictures... seriously, lets take a look, who the are their franchise still succesful after those years? bleach or DB? that's obvious... Pullman said: ichii_1 said: Snow White doesn't have any impressive animation either go watch it again, just alot of character movements and nice backgrounds which you can find in any SOL moe series let alone really well animated anime. rofl, there goes any credibility you might have had regarding what good animation is. what he think of good animation is flashy action... let him be... RKarim69f117 said: Oh poor Bones! They make soo good anime adaptations yet they are in bad position! mainly because bad management and poor choices... they invest a lot in original series that flopping like space dandy, conrevo (which sadly i like both of them) and captain earth, they also made lot dissapointment to fans like BnHA (even it mainly comitee fault that is TOHO than bones it self)... but i hope they doing it for investment since lot of their shows actually success like kekkai sensen, MP100, and BSD... Im not gonna correct my semantics now as they dont matter in what were discussing and are only a cheap trick of yours to deviate from the topic. Matter of fact is that Bleach(and most current anime) has better animation than One Piece and there is absolutely no reason for that, furthermore theres not even an available excuse for that, as it is with series like Gangsta since their studio went bankrupt. Toei has shitloads of money and either spends it in a completely incomprehensible way or doesnt spend it at all. Also the argument about being successful is one of the dumbest I hear over and over again. Do you think all popular music, movies, books, you name it is good? Do I really need to provide pictures for a topic that has been done over and over again? There are like 10k compilations of crap animation in both DBS and OP. Go figure this is industries...we talking about industries... you are the one that didn't understand how industries works... if yo want to talking your "subjective" quality, go to other topic since the title it self already pretty clear... > why would they spent load of money just to pleasent rondom weeb on the internet since it is not their main target and didn't give them income big enough to consdered that investment payoff? that's absurd... seriously, i too still outraged on how they handle world triger animation which is lot worse than DBS and OP combined... however even they fail animation adaptation wise, their excelent producer approach works that make it popular... what can i ask more? and yes, if we talking about industries, popularity and income is it main value... how the fuck you want it neglected when it the purpose of industries? that's ignorance and selfish like "hurr durr, my 'opinion' is fact, week up sheeple" kind of hippies... we talking about industries, based on data and objective value.... and as a company, TOEI doing great job to maintain their popularity and it does works most of time.. > also, if you want compare it to pierrot, go take a look at sousei no onmyouji... now say it again pierrot supperior to toei... I havent said a single word about my subjective believes. Im just stating facts about studios and their works by production value. Pierrot did Bleach which was far less popular but far better animated than both DBS and One Piece. Naruto also has better animation for the most part. Comparing them with something like Bones is just intimidating. Their shows look thousand times better and they are an ant compared to Toei. The fact that people buy it just shows how good the source material was and how low their standards are. too late to reply.. well, i have nothing to said since already pointed out by @bigivelfhq but i have some point to bring it up my self... TOEI also made lot of original series, and they are also sell well... did you even ever watch toew works other than their popular long run? and judge them solely by that? bigivelfhq said: Kuma said: seriously, i too still outraged on how they handle world triger animation which is lot worse than DBS and OP combined... however even they fail animation adaptation wise, their excelent producer approach works that make it popular... what can i ask more? "i too still outraged on how they handle world triger animation which is lot worse than DBS and OP combined..." if we are focusing on sakuga, WT is one of best... i heard they even hired wepon expert to help them give realistic weapon effect... the problem is that other than sakuga, this series animation does worse than DBS and OP... expecially when they are on dialogue and daily life which unlike most battle shounen, it has lot portion in WT... |
Feb 14, 2017 5:03 AM
#219
Kuma said: if we are focusing on sakuga, WT is one of best... i heard they even hired wepon expert to help them give realistic weapon effect... the problem is that other than sakuga, this series animation does worse than DBS and OP... expecially when they are on dialogue and daily life which unlike most battle shounen, it has lot portion in WT... I wasn't focusing in Sakuga. Not all of that video is sakuga. I would as far to say that most of it, isn't, in fact. When they are in dialogue and daily life the series normally uses the level of limited animation shortcuts of Neon Genesis Evangelion. In Fact I say that Evangelion does certainly worse. You probably are talking of art, not animation. Probably, talking of the not aesthetically pleasing faces and other drawings. That though is not animation! And World Trigger varied greatly. There was certainly someone that didn't know how to draw correctly Osamu's face, it like he was using a ruler for it, and someone that knew to draw it amazingly well, so good that was better than in the manga. Instead of calling animation to drawing/art, it would be cool to talk about art in a specific topic. Create a thread about that and I we can talk about that. When I have time possible will go look if there is any more information about other studios financial data |
bigivelfhqFeb 14, 2017 5:10 AM
Feb 14, 2017 5:21 AM
#220
bigivelfhq said: Kuma said: if we are focusing on sakuga, WT is one of best... i heard they even hired wepon expert to help them give realistic weapon effect... the problem is that other than sakuga, this series animation does worse than DBS and OP... expecially when they are on dialogue and daily life which unlike most battle shounen, it has lot portion in WT... I wasn't focusing in Sakuga. Not all of that video is sakuga. I would as far to say that most of it, isn't, in fact. When they are in dialogue and daily life the series normally uses the level of limited animation shortcuts of Neon Genesis Evangelion. In Fact I say that Evangelion does certainly worse. You probably are talking of art, not animation. Probably, talking of the not aesthetically pleasing faces and other drawings. That though is not animation! And World Trigger varied greatly. There was certainly someone that didn't know how to draw correctly Osamu's face, it like he was using a ruler for it, and someone that knew to draw it amazingly well, so good that was better than in the manga. Instead of calling animation to drawing/art, it would be cool to talk about art in a specific topic. Create a thread about that and I we can talk about that. no no no... the art does incosistent, but it's long run so... my problem is when it's on dialogue, or normal daily life, the gesture is awakward as hell and unnatural animated, not to mention lot of in betwen errors like jumping animation and steady.. another one is the expression like the time when realize or thinking, it's derpy as fuck when it changing (like when kuga change from serious mode to his usual joke mode, his eybrow isn't even moving)... i think it's too off topic soo i should stop here... |
Feb 27, 2017 1:04 AM
#221
quite a chaos in the thread.... . ill just share what i found studio mappa : Capital 1 million yen employee 50 people (April 2016) Income 1,522,200,000 yen (as of March 2015) did anyone check last year's ntv reports for madhouse? |
Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
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