Who is the Black King?

Nov 9, 2016 8:17 AM

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I already said it in the manga thread discussion...

It's just theory nothing was confirmed yet.

but who knows...

Nov 11, 2016 1:33 PM

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I think it is Sauron. Ha ha. That eye sometimes appearing. And those ends riding on their horses. At least that reminded me a bit of LotR. From the things hown up til now in the anime (I haven't read the manga) it didn't look like he were an historical person from our world. More like he was some fantasy person from the fantasy world that gave those Ends which appeared there some magical power and recruited them to help him.

Nov 14, 2016 12:55 AM

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i Agree that he is actually jesus.In ep 4 you can see scars in his hands as where should be nails from the cross, and also as himself said that he was going to save the humans, but they rejected him (Crucified him) and now he is going do destroy the humans it actually make sense, since so far all major characters are historical persons.

Ps also the "Powers" from the ends could be from "Jesus" miracles that could also be releated to how the people died in their original world, an example would be Joan of Arc who was burned at the stake now wishes to se the world burn.

Nov 14, 2016 2:15 AM

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vergil12 said:
i Agree that he is actually jesus.In ep 4 you can see scars in his hands as where should be nails from the cross, and also as himself said that he was going to save the humans, but they rejected him (Crucified him) and now he is going do destroy the humans it actually make sense, since so far all major characters are historical persons.

Ps also the "Powers" from the ends could be from "Jesus" miracles that could also be releated to how the people died in their original world, an example would be Joan of Arc who was burned at the stake now wishes to se the world burn.

+1 the healing ability is 99% Jesus doing

Nov 14, 2016 6:16 AM

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It's Jesus. Also I don't think he is the one who powers other Ends with magic abilities. All magic abilities of all Ends (Jesus included) are either their own due to some rules of the magic fantasy world they are in, either powered by Easy.

Nov 20, 2016 10:51 AM

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I was thinking it might take a while before more pointers from the manga showed up, but episode 6 ended with him referencing this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_barren_fig_tree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursing_the_fig_tree

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Nov 30, 2016 3:59 AM

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Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

To quote myself:

The dialogue the Black King uses indicates he hated the fact that he was 'betrayed by humanity', and thus became evil.

Which is utterly, completely the opposite of what Jesus was if one is in anyway familiar with the Bible. First off, Jesus knew that despite His Disciples running away in the face of the Roman Troops, that they were still loyal and would come back (Peter, in fact, was so ashamed that he lost confidance in himself until Jesus personally came to forgive him). With this, why would He feel that He was betrayed?

Second, Jesus was never unaware of His task. He knew that Judas would betray Him, he knew that he was going to be handed over to the Romans like a 'lamb to the slaughter', so that the whole of mankind could be saved. If you read the Gospels, you would notice that He keeps predicting his death and resurrection; 'destroy this Temple, and I will raise it in three days!' and many other statements He made. Also, His prayer to God in the Mount Of Olives was because He wanted the resolve to undergo the many trials until His cruxification, which is another piece of evidence.

Which is why I'm very sure the Black King isn't a dark version of Jesus - as we saw from Hellsing, Kouta Hirano does his freaking research, and I doubt he would have missed such a key cornerstone of Christian ideology.

And if he did make the mistake...well, all it does is cheapen the Black King, as because most of the Ends are vengeful towards humanity because of their experiences.

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Dec 2, 2016 10:44 AM

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MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

To quote myself:

The dialogue the Black King uses indicates he hated the fact that he was 'betrayed by humanity', and thus became evil.

Which is utterly, completely the opposite of what Jesus was if one is in anyway familiar with the Bible. First off, Jesus knew that despite His Disciples running away in the face of the Roman Troops, that they were still loyal and would come back (Peter, in fact, was so ashamed that he lost confidance in himself until Jesus personally came to forgive him). With this, why would He feel that He was betrayed?

Second, Jesus was never unaware of His task. He knew that Judas would betray Him, he knew that he was going to be handed over to the Romans like a 'lamb to the slaughter', so that the whole of mankind could be saved. If you read the Gospels, you would notice that He keeps predicting his death and resurrection; 'destroy this Temple, and I will raise it in three days!' and many other statements He made. Also, His prayer to God in the Mount Of Olives was because He wanted the resolve to undergo the many trials until His cruxification, which is another piece of evidence.

Which is why I'm very sure the Black King isn't a dark version of Jesus - as we saw from Hellsing, Kouta Hirano does his freaking research, and I doubt he would have missed such a key cornerstone of Christian ideology.

And if he did make the mistake...well, all it does is cheapen the Black King, as because most of the Ends are vengeful towards humanity because of their experiences.

I know. I read the Bible everyday.
My point is:It was made by Japanese, and let's face the facts:
Bible+Japan=Wrong.
See that in Ao no Exorcist, see that in D.Gray Man, see that in Highschool DxD (ugh).
My point is that they they misinterpret the Bible. The anime that treated the Christianity with most respect that know, was Hellsing.
Probably, for the Japanese, Jesus was just another historical figure, in other words, a common men. Wich obviously, is wrong.
That's my opinion.
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Dec 2, 2016 12:37 PM

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MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

Pro tip: some people actually don't believe in Christian God and view Bible for what it is: a collection of fairy tales, myths and twisted, distorted history. From that point of view Jesus was not a godly entity, but either a confused man who though he was something more but actually wasn't, either a straight up lier and a cult leader. Therefore he could have ended up bitter about his death easily.

Dec 2, 2016 3:14 PM

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I believe Black King was a simple man like Toyohisa, who was betrayed by the humanity and saw evil in them. It simply would not make any sense making him a major historical or mythical figure, but was he a simple man fed up with inhumane humanity, trying to bring "justice" to oppressed species, would not it send the message of humanity's mischief across? In the end, it's all about the symbol, the message.

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Dec 2, 2016 8:35 PM

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Unknow_S said:
Sincerely, by the informations we got in the series so far, i think it's Jesus.
Because it make a lot of sense. Principally if you readed the Bible.
What you guys think?

Literally Hitler.

Dec 4, 2016 6:07 PM

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The_Deceiver said:

Unknow_S said:
Sincerely, by the informations we got in the series so far, i think it's Jesus.
Because it make a lot of sense. Principally if you readed the Bible.
What you guys think?

Literally Hitler.

Nah Hitler was the founder of Orte Empire - unless both are the same person, what is not impossible since the founder went missing as it seems.

Dec 5, 2016 2:36 PM

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Klimat said:

MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

Pro tip: some people actually don't believe in Christian God and view Bible for what it is: a collection of fairy tales, myths and twisted, distorted history. From that point of view Jesus was not a godly entity, but either a confused man who though he was something more but actually wasn't, either a straight up lier and a cult leader. Therefore he could have ended up bitter about his death easily.

^ 100% this

i was sure that at least one Jesushugger is trying to teach us, after the rumors. :D

Dec 6, 2016 12:29 AM

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im sure Narujesus is the Black King dattebayo... lol

Dec 6, 2016 2:28 AM

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Klimat said:

MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

Pro tip: some people actually don't believe in Christian God and view Bible for what it is: a collection of fairy tales, myths and twisted, distorted history. From that point of view Jesus was not a godly entity, but either a confused man who though he was something more but actually wasn't, either a straight up lier and a cult leader. Therefore he could have ended up bitter about his death easily.

Klimat speaks the truth. You might as well tight slap and get ready to be bitch slapped by a majority of the MAL members. You'd be surprised how many people in Japan, fans of Anime/manga and geeks in general are *gasp* atheists and agnostics.

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Dec 8, 2016 5:33 PM

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Jesus got salty after being crucified for 3 day and become BK in the new world. Even the pop will get salty if he got crucified for 3 days.

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Dec 8, 2016 6:01 PM

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Klimat said:

MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

Pro tip: some people actually don't believe in Christian God and view Bible for what it is: a collection of fairy tales, myths and twisted, distorted history. From that point of view Jesus was not a godly entity, but either a confused man who though he was something more but actually wasn't, either a straight up lier and a cult leader. Therefore he could have ended up bitter about his death easily.

That has to be the most bullshit explanation I ever seen. It is so hypocritical, to the point that it is the most blatant piece of pandering I ever seen, that its making my blood boil.

Every single Drifter or End was written based on the tales, the stories written of them by others. Nobunaga, Scipio, or Jeanne D'Arc may have had different postulates of their characters given by Hirano, but they were based off the many stories that were written by latter historians/writers, and their characters having a spark of familarity with those records.

If you are going to just make an exemption for the Bible just like that, and ignore what has been written about Jesus so you can twist him for your own story (to the excuse of 'oh he's just a mythological figure), I'm sorry, if you were Hirano, I would have condemned you as a failure as an author for not sticking to your own personal rule.

Besides, if you were going with the 'Bible is a conspiracy theory' story, it can be answered with the fact that, you know, they wouldn't have bothered to write it in the first place. They could have just went along with their old lives, not going on the various missionary trips, and retelling the tales to the other writers of the Gospels.

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Dec 9, 2016 12:31 AM

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MagicianX26 said:
Every single Drifter or End was written based on the tales, the stories written of them by others. Nobunaga, Scipio, or Jeanne D'Arc may have had different postulates of their characters given by Hirano, but they were based off the many stories that were written by latter historians/writers, and their characters having a spark of familarity with those records.

If you are going to just make an exemption for the Bible just like that, and ignore what has been written about Jesus so you can twist him for your own story (to the excuse of 'oh he's just a mythological figure), I'm sorry, if you were Hirano, I would have condemned you as a failure as an author for not sticking to your own personal rule.

Because stories of Nobunaga, Scipio, or Jeanne D'Arc are all pretty realistic and believable. Biblical story of Jesus on the other hand literally tells you the guy was a son of an almighty god and a bunch of other supernatural stuff which is completely unbelievable and is obviously false. So if you are righting "a historical Jesus", you just have to drop all of that.

MagicianX26 said:
Besides, if you were going with the 'Bible is a conspiracy theory' story, it can be answered with the fact that, you know, they wouldn't have bothered to write it in the first place. They could have just went along with their old lives, not going on the various missionary trips, and retelling the tales to the other writers of the Gospels.

By that logic, if Bible is the only true word of god and Christianity is the only true religion, how come people bothered to write Koran? This logic is awful.

Dec 9, 2016 9:21 AM

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Klimat said:

Because stories of Nobunaga, Scipio, or Jeanne D'Arc are all pretty realistic and believable. Biblical story of Jesus on the other hand literally tells you the guy was a son of an almighty god and a bunch of other supernatural stuff which is completely unbelievable and is obviously false. So if you are righting "a historical Jesus", you just have to drop all of that.

Three things wrong with this claim.

1. What's a 'historical Jesus'? The only source of His actions is the Bible itself, and even if one were to get rid of the 'supernatural stuff', in the end we still have a radical Jewish teacher who willingly sacrificed himself to save humanity, regardless of whether it was true or not. And if you were to get rid of the entire Bible, you have...nothing. Nothing but an empty shell of a character. The 'twist' of the Black King being 'Jesus' would make no sense.

2. The idea that historical legends were completely true is laughable. Sure, we know these people existed, but whether or not everything that was written about them was true? I doubt so: the Roman historian Tacitus was quite prone to fibbing to make the Romans look better, Romance Of The Three Kingdoms is very popular in the pop culture's eye even when it took creative liberties with its historical characters, Gilles de Rais was supposed to be a child rapist/murderer, but recent evidence suggests it was a political plot by his enemies, and quite a few tall tales rose around Nobunaga and was spread by the man himself. Does this mean that they should be cut out, just because they are 'mythological'? No. So I don't see why we should apply the same distinction to the story of Jesus.

(Also, I would caution you on calling everything supernatural porkies.)

3. Diluting Jesus's story ultimately cheapens who the Black King is. Again, refer to my above argument for this.

Lastly, OT, I do concede that the Black King's similarities with Jesus are a bit too close for comfort. Which is why, I believe, the Black King isn't Christ Himself, but the Anti-Christ, or a version of the latter. The latter was prophesised to act like the former, look like the former, perhaps somewhat think like the former, but use miraculous signs and teachings to become a tyrant of humanity (perhaps unknowingly, hence he became an End), a tool of Satan during the End Times. I think this a stronger choice narratively, and given Hirano's track record in biblical research, there's no way he would have missed this.

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Dec 9, 2016 9:24 AM

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Definitely not Jesus if you ask me, first I thought the same too, but after ep 10 I changed my mind.

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Dec 9, 2016 10:02 AM

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I stand firm that prior to becoming Black King, the person under the robe was no one, a soldier or a peasant, a monk or a pastor, it does not matter. The fact that he was a mere man compared to all those great historical figures, IS sending the message across.
After all, Black King is currently trying to estabilish a culture over those "evil demi-races", so that they become similar to human-elf-dwarven-whatever culture and can not be deemed savage or lowly anymore. While he has time, he is trying to bring balance and "justice" to this world by uniting oppressed races and making them equal to the oppressors, practically making the latter unable to justify their aggression against the former.

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Dec 9, 2016 10:03 AM

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MagicianX26 said:
What's a 'historical Jesus'? The only source of His actions is the Bible itself...

Historical Jesus is a couple of hight theoretical concepts really, since a claim can be made he never even existed to begin with.

MagicianX26 said:
...and even if one were to get rid of the 'supernatural stuff', in the end we still have a radical Jewish teacher who willingly sacrificed himself to save humanity, regardless of whether it was true or not.

Drifters is not a historical book on whenever Jesus existed or not and what he was all about. It is a work of fiction, hence it has freedom to take liberties with its depictions. Maybe Drifters Jesus thought he was saving humanity through crucifixion, yet it was so painful he showed weakness and changed his mind while on the cross, yet it was already too late. Or maybe Drifters Jesus will say getting killed was never a plan of his, yet it happened and his own apprentices twisted his tragedy into something else completely in order to promote their version of Christianity, which is a good drama material if you ask me. Even more so that logically speaking, explaining a disgraceful execution on the cross as a part of the plan all along does sound as a desperate attempt to save face from the early Christians.

MagicianX26 said:
The idea that historical legends were completely true is laughable. Sure, we know these people existed, but whether or not everything that was written about them was true? I doubt so: the Roman historian Tacitus was quite prone to fibbing to make the Romans look better, Romance Of The Three Kingdoms is very popular in the pop culture's eye even when it took creative liberties with its historical characters, Gilles de Rais was supposed to be a child rapist/murderer, but recent evidence suggests it was a political plot by his enemies, and quite a few tall tales rose around Nobunaga and was spread by the man himself.

I don't say historical legends are necessary true. I only say those historical legends that don't involve any magic in them are believable and therefore can be put into a grounded realistic story no problem no matter how true or false they actually are. Jesus legend on the other hand is mostly unbelievable and doesn't fit into a realistic grounded story at all.

Dec 10, 2016 11:14 AM

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Jesus, huh? I mean they put in Hitler so at this point, Jesus could make since.

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Dec 11, 2016 5:38 AM

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I don't know; in episode 10 a piece of glass/ice fell from him (he told to a soldier to keep his moth shut about it). What does that supposed to do with Jesus? :S
Or the stick with a butterfly on it?

Dec 11, 2016 5:45 AM

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Frigyesur said:
I don't know; in episode 10 a piece of glass/ice fell from him (he told to a soldier to keep his moth shut about it). What does that supposed to do with Jesus? :S

It's not about Jesus personally, but more about Ends as a larger group. A assume that was a piece of salt, not glass or ice. Gilles de Rais have turned into salt when he died, so it is logical to think all Ends die this way, which must be connected to the way Easy's powers to bring in Ends work. So small pieces of salt falling off from Jesus means he is slowly dying. His overpowered life magic is powered by his own life force, so using his powers takes a toll on his body, decaying and destroying it.

Dec 11, 2016 8:48 AM

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Saying the Black King is Jesus because they have Crucifixion wounds is kinda stupid though, the Apostle Peter/St. Peter was also crucified. So it could be him as well.

Then there is the really weird theory that the the Black King is Martin Luthor King Jr.

Dec 11, 2016 11:35 AM

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Volthoom said:
Saying the Black King is Jesus because they have Crucifixion wounds is kinda stupid though, the Apostle Peter/St. Peter was also crucified. So it could be him as well.

Well crucifixion was a pretty popular method of capital punishment in Ancient Rome, Japan (during Toyohisa n Nobunaga period also) and Burma. Also during both World Wars in Europe soliders using that method sometimes.

Dec 11, 2016 1:22 PM

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Volthoom said:
Saying the Black King is Jesus because they have Crucifixion wounds is kinda stupid though, the Apostle Peter/St. Peter was also crucified. So it could be him as well.

Here are all the clues from the anime so far:
1). Crucifixion-like scars on his palms.
2). Whip induced-like scars on his hands.
3). Powers over life itself that can manifest as healing or as multiplying of food.
4). He told himself that he once wanted to save humanity, yet humans denied the offer.
5). He once dropped a fig tree metaphor.

If that is not enough, here is an omake page from the manga with even more clues: link.

Dec 11, 2016 11:08 PM

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While the thought of an evil anime Jesus makes me laugh as much as groan, there's too much evidence for it. Being able to replicate wheat and fish, healing with his hands, crucifiction marks, the utter betrayal by humanity... no one else fits the bill half as well.

Now like you said if you get into the deep theological stuff it doesn't hold up, but I think you're giving the author a bit too much credit. Yes, he puts in research--but given the way Protestant / Catholic relations were portrayed in Hellsing (which never ceased to make me laugh, as I have a Catholic dad and Protestant mom and sometimes the portrayal felt dead on!), I can certainly see him taking a colorful interpretation of Jesus too.

MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

To quote myself:

The dialogue the Black King uses indicates he hated the fact that he was 'betrayed by humanity', and thus became evil.

Which is utterly, completely the opposite of what Jesus was if one is in anyway familiar with the Bible. First off, Jesus knew that despite His Disciples running away in the face of the Roman Troops, that they were still loyal and would come back (Peter, in fact, was so ashamed that he lost confidance in himself until Jesus personally came to forgive him). With this, why would He feel that He was betrayed?

Second, Jesus was never unaware of His task. He knew that Judas would betray Him, he knew that he was going to be handed over to the Romans like a 'lamb to the slaughter', so that the whole of mankind could be saved. If you read the Gospels, you would notice that He keeps predicting his death and resurrection; 'destroy this Temple, and I will raise it in three days!' and many other statements He made. Also, His prayer to God in the Mount Of Olives was because He wanted the resolve to undergo the many trials until His cruxification, which is another piece of evidence.

Which is why I'm very sure the Black King isn't a dark version of Jesus - as we saw from Hellsing, Kouta Hirano does his freaking research, and I doubt he would have missed such a key cornerstone of Christian ideology.

And if he did make the mistake...well, all it does is cheapen the Black King, as because most of the Ends are vengeful towards humanity because of their experiences.

Dec 12, 2016 8:51 PM

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Definitly Hitler. Probably. If you compare the facts, him being Hitler makes sense.

Dec 19, 2016 7:56 PM

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Fireflydrake said:
While the thought of an evil anime Jesus makes me laugh as much as groan, there's too much evidence for it. Being able to replicate wheat and fish, healing with his hands, crucifiction marks, the utter betrayal by humanity... no one else fits the bill half as well.

Now like you said if you get into the deep theological stuff it doesn't hold up, but I think you're giving the author a bit too much credit. Yes, he puts in research--but given the way Protestant / Catholic relations were portrayed in Hellsing (which never ceased to make me laugh, as I have a Catholic dad and Protestant mom and sometimes the portrayal felt dead on!), I can certainly see him taking a colorful interpretation of Jesus too.

MagicianX26 said:
Anyone who says he is Jesus deserves two tight slaps to the face. (Or rather, a good lecture on Christian doctrine.)

To quote myself:

The dialogue the Black King uses indicates he hated the fact that he was 'betrayed by humanity', and thus became evil.

Which is utterly, completely the opposite of what Jesus was if one is in anyway familiar with the Bible. First off, Jesus knew that despite His Disciples running away in the face of the Roman Troops, that they were still loyal and would come back (Peter, in fact, was so ashamed that he lost confidance in himself until Jesus personally came to forgive him). With this, why would He feel that He was betrayed?

Second, Jesus was never unaware of His task. He knew that Judas would betray Him, he knew that he was going to be handed over to the Romans like a 'lamb to the slaughter', so that the whole of mankind could be saved. If you read the Gospels, you would notice that He keeps predicting his death and resurrection; 'destroy this Temple, and I will raise it in three days!' and many other statements He made. Also, His prayer to God in the Mount Of Olives was because He wanted the resolve to undergo the many trials until His cruxification, which is another piece of evidence.

Which is why I'm very sure the Black King isn't a dark version of Jesus - as we saw from Hellsing, Kouta Hirano does his freaking research, and I doubt he would have missed such a key cornerstone of Christian ideology.

And if he did make the mistake...well, all it does is cheapen the Black King, as because most of the Ends are vengeful towards humanity because of their experiences.

Watching episode 10 yesterday, I would argue that a power of replication belongs more to a god/avatar of fertility than Jesus.

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Dec 20, 2016 2:30 PM

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He is some communist probably or Ghandi

Dec 26, 2016 11:10 AM

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I really am buying the theory that it is actually is Jesus.
His motivation is quite a subversion of the actual Christian fairy tale. If you think of it that way... everything makes sense. Also his power screams Jesus Christ!

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Dec 26, 2016 1:11 PM

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May not be who everyone is referring to.
In the last episode (i think), the gay blonde guy said that he may know him, and I believe that he could have personally known him.
The blonde guy imo is from the middle ages as he knew the story of oga and hannibal, he might not be the saint-germain guy that you get from typing "saint germi" in google.
They probably still crucified people in the middle ages and the black king may have been on of them.
For me it's it's 50-50 with the person you guys are referring to.

Dec 28, 2016 7:08 AM

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Have none of you seen what Klimat linked or something? It clearly says it's Jesus at the bottom among other clues.

Dec 28, 2016 7:11 AM

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Another shitty rendition of a historic figure.

Dec 28, 2016 1:21 PM

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ITS JESUS, STFU, LEAVE YOUR RELIGION BELIEFS OUTTA MY ANIMUS!!. WHO CARES ? THE STORY IS GOOD AS IT IS ANYWAYS

Dec 28, 2016 6:58 PM

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misaseh098 said:
ITS JESUS, STFU, LEAVE YOUR RELIGION BELIEFS OUTTA MY ANIMUS!!. WHO CARES ? THE STORY IS GOOD AS IT IS ANYWAYS

THANK GOD THAT SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME. DON'T PUT YOUR GOD INTO MY FUCKIN' ANIMU

Dec 29, 2016 2:19 PM

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On 4th episode, I'm guessing it's

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Dec 29, 2016 2:34 PM

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JESUS IS THE KING U BAKA

Dec 30, 2016 10:10 AM

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I don't know if anyone considered this guys, Gian Gastone de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.
Now hear me out, in episode 12, Saint-Germi, stated that he might know the Black King, and if you've seen the wiki page of Saint-Germi, this shows up "St. Germain was supposedly educated in Italy by the last of Medicis, Gian Gastone, his alleged mother's brother-in-law."
But other things leads towards my assumption, another one is that in Gian Gastone's wiki is stated that: "His reign was marked by the reversal of his predecessor's conservative policy; he abolished taxes for poorer people, repealed penal laws which restricted Jews and discontinued public executions." This explains why he treats every thing so well, wnats to stablish a society and why he wanted to change Orte. It's stated in the anime that he went to Orte to change it, because it wasn't fair to everyone, like he wanted to be andmanaged to do in life. He was betrayed by Orte, that's when he turned End
Another thing is "By the time of the Spanish withdrawal, the Grand Duke was dying from "an accumulation of diseases"" which explains why he seems to be dieing the way he is.
I heard aswell the Black kinghas advanced knowledge, and makes referencesto Galileu Galilei, which Gian Gantone has aswell, since he taught Saint-Germi and asked to build a statue of Galileu Galilei in his death

Jan 6, 2017 6:52 AM

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Korakora59

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My vote is on Saint Patrick.

Or could be Moses though.

Jan 8, 2017 8:36 PM

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Huntercorpse

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I even thought it might be Jesus, but the staff makes me confused. So now, i really don't know who can be. I do some search, and beside Jesus, we have some historical characters who were crucified:

- Thulis of Egypt
- Gonsalo Garcia and Paulo Miki ("saints" and ones of the Twenty-six Martyrs of Japan)
- Saint Peter
- Horus

Others who i don't know much, but can also be included on the list:

- Inaros II
- Bessos

The question is: the staff is only a meaning of a "persona" transformation (because the spiritual meaning of the dragonfly) or a person who actually used one.

EDIT:

I think Horus is the one who makes sense because:
- he have a staff
- The Eye Symbol (Hórus Eye)
- The Injured Hórus eye is the moon (like showed in some scenes in the anime)

but...
- Hórus is a god, not a person or human character
- Don't have evidences of him being crucifeid

HuntercorpseJan 8, 2017 9:10 PM

Jan 9, 2017 2:31 AM

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SolHerald

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Klimat said:

Frigyesur said:
I don't know; in episode 10 a piece of glass/ice fell from him (he told to a soldier to keep his moth shut about it). What does that supposed to do with Jesus? :S

It's not about Jesus personally, but more about Ends as a larger group. A assume that was a piece of salt, not glass or ice. Gilles de Rais have turned into salt when he died, so it is logical to think all Ends die this way, which must be connected to the way Easy's powers to bring in Ends work. So small pieces of salt falling off from Jesus means he is slowly dying. His overpowered life magic is powered by his own life force, so using his powers takes a toll on his body, decaying and destroying it.

When Gilles turned into salt, I thought of the Old Testament Bible passage where someone turned into a pillar of salt for disobeying a command from an angel of God. Which would be running with the whole Black King = Jesus thing.

Jan 31, 2017 4:26 PM

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I am also tend to think its Jesus.

But if it turns out not to be Jeezy then my other top guess would be Julius Ceaser.

1. He was raised in the slums and essentially tried to be a revolutionary of the people and overthrow the more conservative Pomepei.
2. He was betrayed by many of his friends and family.
3. ALL the stab wounds.

Of course this doesn't explain the healing powers though.

Apr 12, 2017 4:46 AM

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You guys surely think too much.. Black King is King Charles IV of France! The anime gave us too many clues about him.

1. Kong Charles Banner and Black king Banner are the same.. Look at Banner used in Northern wall Clash..
2.Black king is made of Crystal.. (Watch when they slice bronze dragon for his skin and suddenly Black king "dropped" crystal). King Charles thinks hes made of cystal..

Trust me King Charles VI of France is Black king..

jrevilo19Apr 12, 2017 4:53 AM

Sep 10, 2017 3:59 PM

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Pretty Sure it's Jesus or Amakusa Shiro. Shiro, in popular myth, is often portrayed as a Christ like figure... was a devout Christian... was crucified then beheaded in a mockery of his beliefs... and more importantly, is often portrayed as the second coming of Christ before being executed then a demonic antichrist after being resurrected from the dead to take his promised revenge.

Kenshiro3Sep 18, 2017 12:14 AM

Sep 17, 2017 11:57 PM

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Yeah. It's probably Jesus. Evidence...

1. The scars. Crucifixion and whip alike.

2. Healing. Not only that he can, but that he insisted, as a leader, to go out and heal among the sick. A humility Jesus was known for.

3. Wanted to save humanity. Herp derp, easy one.

4. References the Parable of the Fig. Author, J. H. Christ.

5. In episode 11, when he talks to Rasputin and Hijabijywhatshisname, their military-like reply is "Thy will be done." I will refer you to the Lord's Prayer.

6. Wears a white robe and sandals. Sure he added a hood, but that is kinda chompin' a bit of ol' JC's flavor.

In response to those who are saying that "Hey, Jesus was a super swell guy and wouldn't do stuff like this." Yeah, and I'm pretty sure Joan of Arc wasn't a pyromanic lunatic, but an extremely devout Christian (who was burned as a heretic, not a witch as the show claims). She even asked some priests to hold crosses out for her at her execution. So, I feel like maybe, just maybe, those who are brought over by Easy aren't exactly like their old selves. Maybe a little mixed up in the head? Maybe?

And if your argument is "Jesus is the son of God! He wouldn't give in to being like that." Umm... I think it's possible that in a world of magic, time-displaced super soldiers fighting a war in a world of elves and dragons at the behest of two weirdos in a dimensional hallway, that canonically Christianity miiight not be the one true religion. In the canon of Drifters, Jesus may, in fact, just be another guy, a historical figure (yeah yeah, I know there is some debate to that), albeit a powerful one.

I do think Amakusa Shirō is super possible as well though. He fits the bill. Definitely wanted some revenge on humanity. Put that shit in his last words even. Nice. I hope to do the same. And since other Ends seem to be getting some magic powers they never had in life (Wait, could Joan of Arc actually shoot fire?! Gonna have to Google that later...), not hard to believe he might get some powers based on the guy he was such a big fan of (psst, Jesus). Also, that wooouuuld kind of explain the dragonfly on the staff (Japan was once literally called...some Japanese word that means "Island of the Dragonfly") to say like "It's like Jesus...but with a little dragonfly??...hint hint". I dunno, possible.

THOUGH, can I say, those that are saying that ALL the Ends are people who were killed trying to help humanity or whatever... uhhh Gilles de Rais was a semi-pedophile/child-serial-killer who was hanged. Sure he was a knight, but gonna say no to him being a real big helper to humanity. Seriously, read up on him some time. De Rais was disturbing as all fuck, talking bout how he liked to cut them open and play with their guts. Also Rasputin, not a great guy either. Though Saint Germi (it's Saint Germain, right? We can all agree on that at least, right?) being surprised that Rasputin became an End was interesting. Seems like he was a Drifter originally. Lots to think about there. Mostly I just wanted to point out de Rais was a super creep.

RevKlausSep 18, 2017 12:18 AM

Mar 19, 2018 7:40 AM

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And what I say, it is either someone connected to the Bible myth - a Jew who threw stones at Jesus and was cursed with immortality, Judas, etc. Him being Jesus is wrong on many accounts, the one of which is philosophical, the other being just too apparent. With everyone shouting "OH IT'S THAT GUY WHO ESCAPED FROM THE CAVE ON SUNDAY"... I bet creator was expecting this when writing the series up - most obviously a tragic figure who was betrayed by the era he endured with the humans. But... the thing is, everyone knows that. Making Jesus a vengeful figure... it just does not sit right with me. However, after seeing the specials, though... Black King knows about the medieval, which he would not possibly do unless he is
a) an actual omnipotent demigod (like Jesus presumably was)
b) cheating
c) is from the ~modern times
This said, I am betting on on the c), someone more or less modern. I will go even further and say who I think it is - a simple human who never scratched the dimension of historical importance, but nevertheless suffered the injustice and impurity of humanity as (almost?) all the Drifters and Ends did, only to be employed as an agent of Vengeance by that crazy girl. And now he is trying to restart the lesser, savage species, which were oppressed by the humans and more sophisticated races, accustom them to civilization and let them ultimate live in peace humanity denied them for who knows how long. Would not that be a strong message? Certainly stronger than a known tragic-turned-evil aspekt character. This is a major critique on the human society as a whole.
Where did the powers came from then? Well,... who knows.

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