Sound! Euphonium (light novel)
| He's a good character and all, but he's in the way... Truth be told every male character is in the way...they need to go away.  Kyoani needs to stop dicking us around! |
| Oh my brother, TESTIFY!! Seriously though, he doesn't need to "go away" because without him there are no Nationals. So, we NEED Reina to grow the fuck up and git gud on canonifying the objective OTP. Hopefully the teaser of the latest episode that is that Reina realised that and we're getting ever so very closer... and the pay off will be TOO SWEET!!!!  |
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| No one stands between Mizora/Nozomi and Kaori/Yuuko, there is lots of yuri :) |
| also fuck tsukamoto, he can go marry a light bulb or whatever |
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GangsterCat said: also fuck tsukamoto, he can go marry a light bulb or whatever I almost forgot about that dude....that's how forgettable he really is. I love the fact that Kumiko just dismisses him every single time....dude seriously needs to get the fuck out of the way. Should've gone for that other girl...whatever her name is. |
kamil88 said: No one stands between Mizora/Nozomi and Kaori/Yuuko, there is lots of yuri :) Yeah...but the main ship is the most important to the fleet. Without your main ship, the voyage is pointless. |
| I don't think Taki will be in the way, and Shuichi's been so laughably side lined that there's no way KyoAni will go with the novel's ending for the anime. Should be an interesting next few eps. I have a feeling I'd still want more after the epilogue though. GangsterCat said: also fuck tsukamoto, he can go marry a light bulb or whatever I think I'll go shoop this when I get home later. Top pip. |
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kamil88 said: No one stands between Mizora/Nozomi and Kaori/Yuuko, there is lots of yuri :) I think you mean Kaori/Asuka. |
This was the only male character the show needed, and they took it away from us I mean, I would be happy if they just left it open ended with the relationships, of course if KumiRei becomes canon I'll be the happiest person ever. I haven't watched past episode 5 for that reason, don't want to waste my time for the possibility of an underwhelming ending to one of the main drives from Hibike imo. Also, I don't hate Taki, I hate Reina for not accepting her gayness :P |
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| There won't be any romantic conclusion for Kumiko, not with Shuichi nor with Reina at least. It's not a romance anime. Mod Edit: Removed derogatory term. |
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bastek66 said: There won't be any romantic conclusion for Kumiko, not with Shuichi nor with Reina at least. It's not a romance anime. At least the novel actually is, haven't you heard? Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
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Shokko said: bastek66 said: There won't be any romantic conclusion for Kumiko, not with Shuichi nor with Reina at least. It's not a romance anime. At least the novel actually is, haven't you heard? It very small subplot in novel. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
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| I know, right,? He should just get together with the other teacher. Just go all the way, KyoAni! |
on Well, that subplot is actually the end of the novel (so far for what I know) and unless they change the end, it's a pretty important part. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
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Shokko said: Well, that subplot is actually the end of the novel (so far for what I know) and unless they change the end, it's a pretty important part. They simply skip it since there was no build up for it. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
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bastek66 said: Shokko said: Well, that subplot is actually the end of the novel (so far for what I know) and unless they change the end, it's a pretty important part. They simply skip it since there was no build up for it. I wonder if it will be like that ^^ Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
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| Can't wait for all the delusional yuri fan blubbering when this is over. |
| so kumiko will end up with an useless retard with 0 screen time and reina will end up with a man in the age of her father great ending 10/10 xD |
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| I gave up on Kumiko x Reina episodes ago to board the Kumiko x Asuka ship, so I'm still sailing. |
| I already knew in my heart of hearts it would never happen. KyoAni likes to create the best possible couples, show you how amazing it would be, and then drop reality on your head like an anvil because everyone knows there are no lesbians irl, right? I never thought Taki was really in the way, though, I think he could easily still be there and fulfill his role as someone Reina looks up to and that wouldn't get in the way of KumiRei at all. It was just never meant to be from the beginning :( |
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tragedydesu said: so kumiko will end up with an useless retard with 0 screen time and reina will end up with a man in the age of her father great ending 10/10 xD Japanese school girl dating older men seems to be a thing in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| I dont get why kyoani bothers putting the yuribait into their series as of recent, it really just winds up burning the people who'd like thats stuff in the end when they dont follow through. I remember it being the most questionable part of tamako market too with fucking nothing becoming of it. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| You do realize the girls themselves like boy right? They're not in any way shape or form interesting in another girl as a love interest. They're both born heterosexual and stayed that way. No offense, I usually like yuri but only when the girl herself was into it. But just not when it's something fabricated and forced by some fans. |
| Welp, the ship has burned to the ground... Thanks for NOTHING KyoAni. This is why we can't have nice things... |
Frostbytes said: What do you mean by lifeboat?Even lifeboats are useless now I guess, lmao. |
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| I'm not really a fan of all the yuri bait, I feel like it drags the show down. Taki-sensei is probably my favourite character and I think he'd be a great match for Reina |
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| Well, since I was never a Kumiko/Reina fan, I never thought Taki is in the way. In fact, I think he's an important character but I don't really ship him with Reina either. Heck, I don't ship Reina with anyone. I've been on board of the Shuichi/Kumiko ship from the start, so I'm happy that it's canon in the novels, and I think this is how the anime will end anyway. Can't wait! Sorry but I'm just not into yuri, so I don't care about any of the ships teased in this series. I only like Shuichi/Kumiko. |
| I'm glad that Taki is an "obstacle". Kumiko deserves better than Reina. |
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| Sorry to break it to people, but the ship is over. The way I see it, they were definitely a thing together (I mean, they're canonically attracted to each other, have you forgotten?), but some people ignoring the whys and instead starting stupid shipping wars between Reina and Shuichi. The thing is, Reina was a loner and so was Kumiko, and the fact that Kumiko actively sought out Reina's company, I'd say Reina was struck by that. I mean, from Reina's point of view, she'd actively avoided everyone and vice versa, and here's that girl you know from junior high you barely remember but she remembers you and wants to befriend you. They were seeking each other's company because they've had no one else or at least they've felt that way. And because they're bisexuals - and that's why it's not yuri in a strict sense. And now that neither of them are alone and they're more open about themselves in front of others, their relationship had served its purpose. I'd say you should be happy for them. Besides, AsuKumi is superior in every way ;-) |
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yalvyn said: You do realize the girls themselves like boy right? They're not in any way shape or form interesting in another girl as a love interest. They're both born heterosexual and stayed that way. No offense, I usually like yuri but only when the girl herself was into it. But just not when it's something fabricated and forced by some fans. Please look up "queer baiting." Here, I'll do it for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_baiting Hey, another one! I'm not alone! |
gomennasai said: Sorry to break it to people, but the ship is over. The way I see it, they were definitely a thing together (I mean, they're canonically attracted to each other, have you forgotten?), but some people ignoring the whys and instead starting stupid shipping wars between Reina and Shuichi. The thing is, Reina was a loner and so was Kumiko, and the fact that Kumiko actively sought out Reina's company, I'd say Reina was struck by that. I mean, from Reina's point of view, she'd actively avoided everyone and vice versa, and here's that girl you know from junior high you barely remember but she remembers you and wants to befriend you. They were seeking each other's company because they've had no one else or at least they've felt that way. And because they're bisexuals - and that's why it's not yuri in a strict sense. And now that neither of them are alone and they're more open about themselves in front of others, their relationship had served its purpose. I'd say you should be happy for them. Besides, AsuKumi is superior in every way ;-) Is that what you saw from their relationship? Kumiko's totally not a loner so I have no clue where that thought even came from. She makes friends quite easily and has no problem fitting into a crowd. Reina's generally a loner because she's not expressive though. The thing that drew Kumiko to Reina was that Reina had passion and a love for music. Kumiko had skill but no desire to really put in any effort into her music. Her desire for music was transposed onto Reina's ability to play. That's why in season 1 Kumiko looked at Reina the way she did. It was idol worship. She didn't see Reina as a friend but someone to aspire too. Then... Taki happened. Kumiko learned that Reina was just a person just like her. Someone with weaknesses and someone who also needed another person to rely on. That's when their relationship changed.... COMPLETELY. Kumiko wanted to be Reina's equal. Someone on the same stand as her so that she could be that pillar as her friend. The idol-worshipping junior is normally misviewed as romance in the anime and manga world by the western viewers. Every single sports anime has TONS of yaoi ships because of it, and whenever it happens anywhere in shounen there's ships because of it. There's yuri ships in Fairy Tale because of it. At the end of the day, Reina and Kumiko's relationship is completely typical class S. Like BY THE BOOK class S. Girl's liking and being attracted to other girls at a younger age and growing out of it as they grow older. Oh I capitalize to emphasize not to yell btw :) |
VersoSciolto said: TitanAnteus said: ... and lesbians are a mis- and underrepresented minority in fiction and society in Japan. Class-s is at the core of much criticism in that regard and this series is thus no exception.At the end of the day, Reina and Kumiko's relationship is completely typical class S. Like BY THE BOOK class S. Girl's liking and being attracted to other girls at a younger age and growing out of it as they grow older. If there are any girls in the audience who aren't sure about the nature of their own feelings for their female classmates - I consider it quite useful to point out that those feelings don't neceassrily have to be "just" friendship. Such a girl may well be a lesbian. Even if the series isn't about that, it is still useful to point out the possibility. Perhaps even more so if that isn't made clear in the series itself - or its specials. This comment was not posted to suggest that friendship is an inferior form of relationship, of course., but since not everyone grows out of such attractions and since those girls too need to be reassured that this is totally acceptable it is fairly understandable that Hibibke! received this sort of attention. Equally unsurprisingly this thus becomes a major issue for the people directly affected by such depictions of girl/girl attractions without the acknowledgment of their existence beyond adolescence. Hmmm... I won't deny that lesbian representation in media is important sorta, but I honestly think having those expectations of Hibike is unfair. In anime, you usually have feelings of camraderie between men like crazy. The camraderie between men in anime like Naruto, Bleach, Twin Star Exorcists, Bakuman and what not. Let's take bakuman for instance. That's a strong relationship those two share. Stronger than their relationships in that anime. Girls don't get that treatment. The relationships girls have with each other are, generally as aquaintances or rivals. If they're friends they aren't going to struggle like male friends do with each other. I mean is there a female relationship that's like Tiger and Bunny's? Is there a female relationship that's like Naruto and Sasuke? Is there a female relationship like the leads in Bakuman? Female camraderie as a theme is already an anomaly, and those contemporaries manage to make those male relationships MORE meaningful by making them NOT about the romance. Because again. Their romantic lives aren't the biggest aspects of their lives, just like for girls their romantic lives shouldn't be the biggest aspect of their lives. There's already a misrepresentation that Hibike was trying to fill. |
VersoSciolto said: TitanAnteus said: True. I agree with that but am still critical of that aspect as well ... to me it seems like Hibike! also undermines itself a little in that regard by making boys among the primary focus of the camaraderie between the girls. In particular the near constant insistence that Kumiko must be in love with with Shuuichi [because she can carry off a conversation with him?].... There's already a misrepresentation that Hibike was trying to fill. Reina's near obsessive devotion to Taki-sensei as well make it seem as though their only shared interest and topic of conversation is men - especially since so many of the girls are also inspired to become musicians by men in their lives - or in the case of Asuka, absent from hers. Her father the ultimate judge of their achievements... I don't think the boys are the primary focus of the camaraderie between the girls. Reina's near obsessive devotion to Taki-Sensei in my honest opinion is building off of her personality quite well. She has a near obessive devotion to literally everything she picks up. Her instrument. Winning... and love. I feel like the way they portrayed how she chases after love is very in line with her character. It's not even the only thing that ties Kumiko and Reina together. It's the music and their skill that tie each other together. Taki wasn't mentioned that much in season1 when the girls were getting close to each other. Ok so the whole Shuuichi thing gets A LOT of people. You see Kumiko's not honest with herself as a character. If all you had to go on was season 1 Kumiko you'd think she had a bad relationship with her sister. She was generally mean to her and didn't see her in the most positive light. There's multiple times in the anime where she portrays that trait of self-dishonesty. Shuuichi sees through her and most people like no one else in the series. Reina is STILL trying to understand her. She acknowledged ep 11 I believe that she still doesn't understand her when she talks about peeling of the mask, but Shuuichi is already at that level. Kumiko has also only ever gotten jealous once in the series, and it wasn't in Taki's direction. She doesn't understand herself all that well, but it's not like the show was disingenuous to you when it came to the progression. He was always there, and always pushed Kumiko along in hard times. That's it. That's all they needed to show. When Naruto got with Hinata w/o too much development it was fine. Because Naruto's romantic life isn't the most important part of his life, and wasn't the focus of the manga. They did enough in that regard. In Bakuman the lead artist's girl is just someone that shared his dream of being a part of the anime industry. That's it. His love life isn't the focus of the anime. REMEMBER, this anime isn't tagged Romance. They have no obligation to scratch your romantic itch. They did enough in that regard to establish Kumiko's love and kept it subtle. As a person who was with her throughout her musical career since she was a child, and someone she can relax completely around (hence the general snideness) she probably just came to like him. It helps that he's generally attractive, and seen as a really good guy by most people who know him, getting even Hadzuki's attention. I think it's on us readers to not make a girl's love story the most predominant and important aspect of her life. Especially when other things are going on. |
VersoSciolto said: TitanAnteus said: I understand that too but that is yet again another core of my objections directed directly at the author. This set up too is a creation. The dishonest girl tripped over seeming trifles whose new found honesty is manifested in the confession that she has indeed loved the boy despite objections.... You see Kumiko's not honest with herself as a character... If yuri shippers are to blame for undue focus on this romantic element of the story then those celebrating Shuuichi's successful seduction of the heroine are at least partially complicit... imo. Kumiko's new found honesty is not solely manifested but certainly in part through this device which was present at inception. Except her honesty with herself hasn't just manifested here or has relevance here. When she opens up to Asuka it's because she was able to take all the shit Asuka said about her and accept that it's true, then tackle Asuka's troubles. Her dishonesty with herself was the primary contention between her and her sister's relationship and her coming to terms with it mended that relationship. Shuuichi's relevance and importance to her is practically just a side effect, not the main direction the story was heading regarding that particular plot thread. Also, Shuuichi got SOOOOOOOOOO much hate season1. I believe all these pro-Shuuichi people are just backlashing from that all that misguided dislike the character was getting season 1. Hating Shuuichi was like a meme early on in Hibike, even though it makes no sense to treat the character that way. Also yeah, he's a bro. Why have the character if you don't want them to succeed in some way. Everyone forgets that Hadzuki and Sapphire have had practically as much plot relevance as Shuuichi has by this point and yet people rooted for these side characters much more. |
| @VersoSciolto Shuuichi rarely disregards Kumiko's opinions. Remember on the first day of school when Kumiko and him were talking about whether or not she was even gonna do band that year. It was just a discussion with him saying that she'll probably end up doing it. No force, or anything. Later on when she's having issues with her sister he just gets her to think from a perspective she normally wouldn't. Him disregarding Kumiko's opinions to me kinda doesn't even make sense logically. He's making conclusions on his own from his own perspective and sharing that. What Kumiko thinks doesn't get across cause she shuts off that part of herself, not letting on directly what's going on in her life. This means it's logically impossible for him to disregard her opinion. In fact, Shuuichi notices Asuka's mask like Kumiko does, and even though she didn't even let him know it was on his mind he still shared the information to confirm her suspicion that she wasn't the only one who thought that way. Also yes... when you said that "she has been proven to be a character where her actions can't be trusted" you're proving my point. She has shown nothing but enmity, from an outside standpoint, towards Shuuichi just like she treated her sister. If anything, saying she's a dishonest girl proves that she likes him just from her general interactions with him. Also Kumiko's friends don't PUSH Shuuichi onto her. It doesn't really happen like that. All of her moments with him have generally been alone together. On the train alone, in a building alone, on a bench alone. Sure her classmates have made remarks about it seeing as he's the only male classmate she's close to but that's anything but pushy. It does not warrant her being explicit with her classmates about wanting them to stop pushing him onto her in your imaginary scenario. And I don't think your view of Shuuichi makes sense. You're thinking like his whole life is chasing after Kumiko as if he's obsessed with her. The whole point of him coming and going so sporadically in the show is to show that even to HIM the romance between him and Kumiko isn't the most important part of his life. It's just an element in his teenage years. The crazy thing is, you know he cares about her quite a lot because he agonized over the present he was getting and no one else did that for her. " I don't think it would undermine the objective of filling a void of female friendship driven stories. It would make it clear romantic plots aren't their main aim." But Euphonium is a coming of age story. You can't come of age w/o discovering love or what not. It's a part of the experience, albeit just a "part." |
VersoSciolto said: TitanAnteus said: So, it is about romance after all, just not between two girls.... But Euphonium is a coming of age story. You can't come of age w/o discovering love or what not. It's a part of the experience, albeit just a "part." We're back on topic. No... it's just about as much about romance as Naruto or Bakuman. I'm saying, saying 100% no to romance would make no sense since they're still teenagers and discovering that around that time is a part of coming of age. Even in Live Action movies like the Sandlot they squeeze that in to show that growing up means change. |
| Not going to read all that, but here's my reply: 1, I'm beyond caring of Kumiko x Reina at this point. It's a relationship I'm no longer invested in and I think it would be forced if it would actually happen (when hell freezes over, but still). 2, I'm aware of what Class-S is and the cultural relevance of it. 3, Perceived loneliness and actual loneliness is not the same. 4, I care about representation. In fact, I've had a stupid meltdown on these very forums I wish I could forget. I just care about the story more. But now I'm done with this discussion. |
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