| I barely know anything about politics but i know one thing for sure America is fucked lol |
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| I still find it hard to see Trump winning this election. Its just hard to picture in my head. Although I hate both of the candidates, I'd vote Trump if I was forced to. |
the40ftbadger said: i have palpable amounts of salt for FO4. It's like a clown put on my dead dad's clothes and is running around my house going "LOOK I'M YOUR DAD, ISN'T THIS FUN?!?!" |
538 now reporting Hillary at 70% chance. |
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| Trump's way ahead. We know about the dishonest polls, and Clinton's scandals continue to weigh her down. |
Darek said: inb4 Trump (or Hilary) disputes the results, which at best results in a month long drawn out Supreme Court decision . . . It would be ironic, and I would die of laughter, if the court was split 4-4 (although they have a history of instantly agreeing with the results).Revolt1021 said: I barely know anything about politics but i know one thing for sure America is fucked lol true that OT: Finally, one day and this shit is going to be over!!! well, give it a week for people to brag about what happened and who won and how he/she will destroy america and then.... Over, peace, nul, done, freeedom. at worst, riots / stupidity / etc. |
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Yeah....Hillary does have a little bit of momentum going into Nov. 8th....especially now that the FBI has cleared her once more. Either way....I would tell everyone that tomorrow is going to be VERY CLOSE. I live in Florida, and I can personally tell you guys that local news coverage here is going nuts with this election because they know how crucial our state is. Tomorrow will be a VERY interesting day. |
| Im not a Clinton fan to be honest, but I'll take her over Trump anyday. Trump just sucks and many of his supporters make me cringe. |
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| BTW....I wanted to give my final statement on this election so, I'll do it in this thread. I voted about a week ago for Jill Stein....because she's the one that mostly appeals to my political compass. I voted on principle....fully knowing that Jill Stein has zero chance to win. HOWEVER....Tomorrow night, I will be rooting for Hillary Clinton. NOT because I believe she's the right person for the job....but because I believe the only other alternative is MUCH WORSE! |
| Results will start coming in around 6PM (not sure if PST or EST). Alaska results should come in at Midnight which should give us all the results if they're undisputed. Maybe we won't know the result by tomorrow, or maybe it'll be easy to call. Either way, I'm sure that the world is basically changing for at least half of us. I could deal with either Jill Stein or even Gary Johnson, but all of my hopes lie in Trump. My vote went towards a lot of things. It went towards keeping Hillary out. It went towards putting Trump in. It went towards a wall at the border, a fixed economy, and many other things. Regardless if you believe his promises or not, I believe them, and I'll be counting on him to fulfill them once he's in. I've constantly debated with some of you about the election. I didn't really believe that I could change any of your minds. A mind is a hard thing to change, after all. But I hope that some of you who were very apprehensive of the idea of a Trump presidency will at least feel a little more comfortable in a world that has made it happen. Alternatively I hope many of you have felt the dangers I've tried to express that would come with a Hillary presidency. Many of our ancestors fought hard to give us a chance to vote, and that vote is precious. I may not agree with who you choose to vote for, but at the end of the day whether we save this nation or doom it, I wouldn't take your vote away from you for a second (unless you're not a US citizen). Good luck. May the best candidate win. I'll see you on the other side. |
| I don't like either of our candidates but to be honest, I feel that Trump is WAY too dangerous to be President. he will have access to a lot of stuff that can cause so much destruction and chaos and he has the temper to use it too if someone even looks at him the wrong way. And no where in the world will be safe. People are so caught up with how they feel he is going to build walls to keep people out and cut welfare to 'lazy' people that they are so damn blind to the fact that he is just dangerous. And his 'Make America Great Again' campaign motto. Make America great again for who? Certainly not for the people who are living in poverty that's for sure. And Hilary isn't trustworthy either but I'd take her over Trump. |
| Trump is the only one addressing the biggest issues. He's anti-war, anti-mass immigration and anti-globalist trade deals that fuck over the middle class. He has proposed ethics reforms to keep people from staying in congress too long and becoming part of the stagnant, corrupt swamp in Washington. This, along with Clinton's unending corruption being revealed by Wikileaks and others, is why he's still surging and is going to win despite the entire establishment, including the media, being viciously against him. |
Ari_the_Lioness said: I don't like either of our candidates but to be honest, I feel that Trump is WAY too dangerous to be President. he will have access to a lot of stuff that can cause so much destruction and chaos and he has the temper to use it too if someone even looks at him the wrong way. And no where in the world will be safe. People are so caught up with how they feel he is going to build walls to keep people out and cut welfare to 'lazy' people that they are so damn blind to the fact that he is just dangerous. And his 'Make America Great Again' campaign motto. Make America great again for who? Certainly not for the people who are living in poverty that's for sure. And Hilary isn't trustworthy either but I'd take her over Trump. He wants to cut foreign aid and use that money for the people and infrastructure in the USA. Hillary is the opposite. She backs foreign aid. To add a little perspective.. The USA gives money to Israel, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Somali, China, etc.. There's really so many countries taking handouts and giving nothing in return. Dislike Trump if you must, but he has had no influence on the current war in the middle east. The Clintons however, are deeply involved. Has anything really improved under the guidance of Secretary Clinton thus far? Personally, I don't care who wins. But its neat to think about. |
| At this point I consider Trump the lesser of two evils. Trump is a sexual deviant while Hillary has rigged polls, gotten debate questions ahead of time, mass deleted emails, and done pretty much every dishonest thing imaginable. Oh, and the chairman of her campaign might be a pedo. I miss Bernie. :( |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| I hope Clinton beats Trump, Trump is too psycho to be president. |
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CatSoul said: At this point I consider Trump the lesser of two evils. Trump is a sexual deviant while Hillary has rigged polls, gotten debate questions ahead of time, mass deleted emails, and done pretty much every dishonest thing imaginable. Oh, and the chairman of her campaign might be a pedo. I miss Bernie. :( Ron Paul seemed like a pretty decent choice back when he was running. Bernie.. It feels like he sold out after he lost. A Clinton endorsement and the party conspired against him to boot. Gross. |
| I don't know where we are getting all this money to give to other countries (many of them that don't even like us) and that's one of the things I don't like about Obama or Hilary. Just giving money away all willy nilly. But still, doesn't change my feelings about Trump being dangerous. Hilary could be dangerous too, but MY feelings (that are not going to change, no matter how many times I'm quoted and people trying to change my mind) is that Trump is way to dangerous to be president. It's just how I feel. I'm not going to force myself to change my feelings to agree with other people. And I'm going to say this again. I'm not pro Hilary or pro Trump. They are both crazy. |
j0x said: lol USA give foreign aid for strategic reasons and not just for giveaways "strategic reasons" unfortunately involves trying to win elections. Hillary pushed to eliminate Gaddafi in order to have it on her record as an accomplishment, and yet it destabilized the middle east which resulted both in the current refugee crisis which is affecting a large majority of the world, and created ISIS which is causing even further harm. The US was directly responsible for this happening, due to the "foreign aid" that it provided. |
| So.....since the very get go, Trump has done nothing but talk badly towards Latinos and their families. Now, Latins all over America have a good shot at giving Hillary the Presidency... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/a-spike-in-the-hispanic-vote-in-florida-could-answer-all-of-our-questions/ http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/latino-vote-surge-donald-trump-campaign-230804 We shall see... |
JustALEX said: So.....since the very get go, Trump has done nothing but talk badly towards Latinos and their families. Now, Latins all over America have a good shot at giving Hillary the Presidency... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/a-spike-in-the-hispanic-vote-in-florida-could-answer-all-of-our-questions/ http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/latino-vote-surge-donald-trump-campaign-230804 We shall see... I wouldn't get your hopes up:  http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/ Latinos were really freaked out by the Spirit Cooking stuff. |
| The Latin vote has historically voted for Democrats.... And Trump has done nothing but talked shit about Hispanics. I've heard Nation wide 76% of Hispanics are going for Hillary.... And Hispanic early voting in Florida has been literally historic. Miami Dade county and Orange County (Orlando) are heavily Hispanic and voter turnout has been VERY GOOD. The truth is....IF Florida goes to Hillary....it is over. No ifs, ands, or buts. |
Thrashinuva said: JustALEX said: So.....since the very get go, Trump has done nothing but talk badly towards Latinos and their families. Now, Latins all over America have a good shot at giving Hillary the Presidency... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/a-spike-in-the-hispanic-vote-in-florida-could-answer-all-of-our-questions/ http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/latino-vote-surge-donald-trump-campaign-230804 We shall see... I wouldn't get your hopes up: http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/ Latinos were really freaked out by the Spirit Cooking stuff. The insults to Catholics and comment about "needy Latinos" didn't help matters either. |
Aureolus said: JustALEX said: The Latin vote has historically voted for Democrats.... And Trump has done nothing but talked shit about Hispanics. I've heard Nation wide 76% of Hispanics are going for Hillary.... And Hispanic early voting in Florida has been literally historic. Miami Dade county and Orange County (Orlando) are heavily Hispanic and voter turnout has been VERY GOOD. The truth is....IF Florida goes to Hillary....it is over. No ifs, ands, or buts. That all depends if they even bother to turn up. They already have! http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/high-hispanic-early-voting-numbers-boost-hillary-clinton/story?id=43358808 http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article112958953.html ^Still....it will ultimately depend on tomorrow. But what KARMA it will be....IF Hillary wins and a huge number of Hispanic voters help her win....after Trump talked all his bullshit towards the Latin community. BTW....I do want to say, that I AM biased....because I AM Hispanic-American. |
JustALEX said: But what KARMA it will be....IF Hillary wins and a huge number of Hispanic voters help her win....after Trump talked all his bullshit towards the Latin community. BTW....I do want to say, that I AM biased....because I AM Hispanic-American. Hillary's campaign is the only one insulting "needy Latinos" and Catholics. Trump is just talking about illegals. |
Thrashinuva said: JustALEX said: So.....since the very get go, Trump has done nothing but talk badly towards Latinos and their families. Now, Latins all over America have a good shot at giving Hillary the Presidency... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/a-spike-in-the-hispanic-vote-in-florida-could-answer-all-of-our-questions/ http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/latino-vote-surge-donald-trump-campaign-230804 We shall see... I wouldn't get your hopes up: http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/ Latinos were really freaked out by the Spirit Cooking stuff. LA times has been the major poll outlier all election being the only poll to have Trump consistently winning by a wide margin all year. 538 has actually covered them a number of times as the outlier in this election in their list. |
Altairius said: JustALEX said: But what KARMA it will be....IF Hillary wins and a huge number of Hispanic voters help her win....after Trump talked all his bullshit towards the Latin community. BTW....I do want to say, that I AM biased....because I AM Hispanic-American. Hillary's campaign is the only one insulting "needy Latinos" and Catholics. Trump is just talking about illegals. Right....so, Trump has no moral qualms about deporting Illegals who could potentially break up families and punish American-born kids for the sins of their parents. And you expect Legal Hispanics to just turn the cheek and allow that to happen?! no. The Hispanic community is VERY family oriented. They will NOT support a man who thinks deporting illegals is the way to solve this problem. There are roughly 10 million illegal Hispanics in the U.S.....YES, they broke the law. But there are more humane and moral ways to go about it than literally breaking up families and creating mass chaos and fear. |
JustALEX said: Altairius said: Hillary's campaign is the only one insulting "needy Latinos" and Catholics. Trump is just talking about illegals. Right....so, Trump has no moral qualms about deporting Illegals who could potentially break up families and punish American-born kids for the sins of their parents. And you expect Legal Hispanics to just turn the cheek and allow that to happen?! no. The Hispanic community is VERY family oriented. They will NOT support a man who thinks deporting illegals is the way to solve this problem. There are roughly 10 million illegal Hispanics in the U.S.....YES, they broke the law. But there are more humane and moral ways to go about it than literally breaking up families and creating mass chaos and fear. Either you enforce your laws or you don't. Law abiding Hispanics who don't want America to turn into where they fled from are for Trump. They don't want to be burdened by welfare leeches either. Over 70% of illegals from Latin America are on welfare, and most use multiple programs. |
DateYutaka said: but no comment on the trump tax plan thn even accoading teh the tax foundation a right wing think tank will ad 2 trillion o us national debt yes im nto pro ciltion bur her tax plan i better and wll ad only 10% of the debt that trumps will if trumo get in the world wisde crash may happen Different economists say different things. I tend not to trust hardcore socialists, given what happens to their countries. If you want economic collapse, keep overloading the welfare state with illegals. |
DateYutaka said: Altairius said: Different economists say different things. I tend not to trust hardcore socialists, given what happens to their countries. If you want economic collapse, keep overloading the welfare state with illegals. a right wing think tank said it not left wing one if you look nat the flow of immagated form the latin states its a net work taht ends in the us buti go on this ideal if you econacmlly serting you will have alot of people who wna to come to your nation if yu have no onw wnating to come you have a spropirty issue "hardcore socialists" of witch in the us there are none im sprry but berine was is and nevr was a hardcore socialist "A right wing thinktank". Yeah, #NeverTrump is a thing. Right wing libertarians are generally for Trump though. I'm not a libertarian, but they tend to be correct on the math (they're autistic though and ignore other factors). Numbers don't even enter into the equation for socialists. It's purely emotional. Venezuela was pretty hardcore. All evidence suggests that mass wealth redistribution doesn't work. I don't mind having a welfare state, but you need eugenic incentives alongside it, and a homogeneous nation. |
Aureolus said: JustALEX said: They already have! http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/high-hispanic-early-voting-numbers-boost-hillary-clinton/story?id=43358808 http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article112958953.html ^Still....it will ultimately depend on tomorrow. But what KARMA it will be....IF Hillary wins and a huge number of Hispanic voters help her win....after Trump talked all his bullshit towards the Latin community. BTW....I do want to say, that I AM biased....because I AM Hispanic-American. By all accounts them coming in such large numbers could warrant a genocide, war of the womb, against both whites and blacks already in America. No, it doesn't. What it does warrant is a pissed off group that wants to make sure the guy that talked so much shit about them is NOT given the most important position in the country. IF Trump loses and Hispanics are somewhat responsible for that lost....he only has himself to blame. |
JustALEX said: What it does warrant is a pissed off group that wants to make sure the guy that talked so much shit about them is NOT given the most important position in the country. IF Trump loses and Hispanics are somewhat responsible for that lost....he only has himself to blame. Again, it's just illegals. Why would legal Hispanic Americans cuck themselves via taxation to people who cut in line in the immigration process? This is another reason why Trump's Hispanic support has risen. |
DateYutaka said: Altairius said: "A right wing thinktank". Yeah, #NeverTrump is a thing. Right wing libertarians are generally for Trump though. I'm not a libertarian, but they tend to be correct on the math (they're autistic though and ignore other factors). Numbers don't even enter into the equation for socialists. It's purely emotional. Venezuela was pretty hardcore. All evidence suggests that mass wealth redistribution doesn't work. I don't mind having a welfare state, but you need eugenic incentives alongside it, and a homogeneous nation. im a Left some would say far left libertarian very small central state [ only to repsent the people internatonally] and help the poor and needy when needed and for tax laws every other law shpuld be local only not even state/ county/provice/department ] but down to the macro level of local the town concil can amke there own laws for exmaple s how far i would go common laws would stay the same every were like nou murder no theft.. empower local goverment more andi say give ot people by there need not there want side question and you a follower of the austrin school ideals 'Left libertarian' is a contradiction unless it means socially liberal. You can't be pro welfare and a libertarian. I don't follow any school of economics. I tend to think how you order your society will have a huge impact on economics. For example, in a hyper-inclusive mass democracy, you will inevitably have people voting for more and more government/welfare, and it will eventually collapse. If you have eugenic policies, such as sterilization for welfare recipients, and selective immigration, the size of the state will naturally decrease and welfare use will eventually be almost nonexistent. Most libertarians don't take those factors into account. They think of all humans as blank slates, which ironically is a very communist idea. |
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