| When I first started reviewing, I always said a creative art style is a cornerstone. Since anime is a visual medium, the visual element must tell half the story. Else, why choose it? It seems I was right. All of my favorite anime are visually expressive. Even Paranoia Agent - which is fairly realistic - puts effort into character design and memorable visual cues. On the other hand, the worst anime I've ever seen is NHK and it also has the worst art style. What's your experience? |
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| Nope, no correlation at all. That is, between quality of story and quality of art. However, good art can definitely have an impact on overall enjoyment. |
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| I personally think it would be a better conclusion to come to that you just personally see art style as being something very important and will judge anime based on that alone leading the placebo effect to make the rest of the show seem good simply because you've already decided what its quality is. Glasslip has a great art style and was among the worst trash that I or anyone else has ever seen. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei has an odd art style that doesn't look too attractive or detailed, but it was a very enjoyable anime and I plan to watch the other seasons in the future. The main character of Lady Jewelpet looks like she has two balls of yarn attached to her head and her eyes are a solid two inches tall, but even with that art style it was still extremely enjoyable to watch and had some of the best romance I've seen. Back to the reverse, both Hyouka and Kamisama no Memochou have beautiful art styles and the anime themselves just didn't appeal to me. Keep in mind that these are isolated cases and most anime that I liked had good art styles and a lot of the anime I didn't like had art styles I didn't like, but these are more correlated due to how well the studios and directors are doing their jobs than quality of the art style directly affecting the quality of the rest of the show. |
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| Uh yeah. Original NGE says otherwise. |
| I have to ask what exactly you hate about Welcome to the NHK's art style, that could make it the worst you've ever seen. |
| Then JoJo is the best anime of all time? Because it's art style is enough to tell the whole story of JoJo without any need of dialogue or plot progression whatsoever. |
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| Perhaps there is somewhat of a correlation but not necessarily prevalent in most shows. |
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| Unique and better art style could be one of the sign of an attempt for ambitious work, and it has high probability that it will be followed with another better or even innovative approach at other area too like for example at animation, story or directing which add significant value to overall quality of the work and thus make it more well received. Of course I am aware that it is not always the case here. |
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| from my first animes they mostly had quite distinctive art styles i think it took me a while to get used to start anime with more run of the mill art styles and im still not entirely ok with it but even NHK had those pretty funky dream scenes WhatYouWanted said: "realistic hair colors? no epic 90s shading? ewww 0/10"I have to ask what exactly you hate about Welcome to the NHK's art style, that could make it the worst you've ever seen. |
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I ran a test and this was the result: It is just an element out of many, alone and by itself it doesn't mean anything. What about the way this art style combines with the narration? Or consistency? Or the effect of habituation? And I don't know, saying that you like anime that are visually expressive is kind of... redundant? I can't think of an anime that isn't visually expressive. Whether this expression is appealing, complex or elaborate is another issue. TheBrainintheJar said: On the other hand, the worst anime I've ever seen is NHK and it also has the worst art style. Reported for bait and hardcore triggering |
| No, art has nothing to do with whether I think it's a quality show, I rate based on the story. |
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| awesome art style = good quality bad art style = bad quality bad art style but good story = great |
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| Personally, I'll take either visual expressiveness and creativity, or great animation. If I get both, that's even better. For instance: Madoka Magica gave both. Lain leaned more toward the artstyle rather then quality. Evangelion tried to go for quality, but poor budge management hindered it. The Nanoha franchise never really went one way or another. Code Geass, like Madoka, did both, but not to the extent that Madoka had. FMA:B leaned more towards quality. Higurashi didn't go one way or another either. Sailor Moon is an interesting situation. The 90's anime adaption doesn't really do either, but the manga pretty much created a new style that many series molded themselves after later on. In the case of Nanoha and Higurashi, well, recall that animation/art only makes up about 15 percent of my rating for a series. Neither of these series were terrible with animation/art, so they still added points to the end result. |
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jal90 said: I ran a test and this was the result: It is just an element out of many, alone and by itself it doesn't mean anything. What about the way this art style combines with the narration? Or consistency? Or the effect of habituation? And I don't know, saying that you like anime that are visually expressive is kind of... redundant? I can't think of an anime that isn't visually expressive. Whether this expression is appealing, complex or elaborate is another issue. TheBrainintheJar said: On the other hand, the worst anime I've ever seen is NHK and it also has the worst art style. Reported for bait and hardcore triggering What bait? It is beyond awful. Really, I was shocked at how little redeeming value it has. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: What bait? It is beyond awful. Really, I was shocked at how little redeeming value it has. Come on, I wasn't serious with that. Still, I'm interested on reading your interpretation. |
| quality =/= good art, good art =/= quality, just look at shows like fucking Madan no Ou to Vanadis, great art style, awful show. |
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| This reminds me of all those insufferable fans of literary fiction who make vapid claims 24/7 about how great the prose is, and how all of their books are just teeming with great prose. OP reads like an edgelord who discovered something about himself, decided to share it with the world, but not as an individual quirk but as question of universality. |
| Art style is one of the things reviewers need to consider. It's not a prerequisite to quality but it is a variable. Some anime have great art that redeems their weaker elements. Others are great even if they're ugly af. |
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| theres very few anime with artstyles i dont like... but basically, i wont watch if i dont like the artstyle |
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| Amnesia is one of my lowest rated anime and the only redeeming thing about it for me was its character design. Though I will say it is more common for anime with 'bad' art to be rated lower by the mass because visuals factor into enjoyment of the average viewer more than anything else and we know most people just rate by enjoyment. So if they don't like the art/character designs, then they will either rate it low or not even try it in the first place. |
TheBrainintheJar said: When I first started reviewing, I always said a creative art style is a cornerstone. Since anime is a visual medium, the visual element must tell half the story. Else, why choose it? It seems I was right. All of my favorite anime are visually expressive. Even Paranoia Agent - which is fairly realistic - puts effort into character design and memorable visual cues. On the other hand, the worst anime I've ever seen is NHK and it also has the worst art style. What's your experience? I was going to take your question seriously, then you said Welcome to the NHK was the worst anime you've ever seen. I mean opinions, but cmon! |
| This thread, your opinion and your whole hobby as a reviewer is invalid because you gave JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders a 6 with things like that ultra rushed Danganronpa 1 adaptation above it... |
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| there is no correlation look at the one punch man web comic look what the anime became look at TOUHOU and look at how popular the series got |
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| Monster's artstyle is pretty inexpressive and yet it's one of my favorites. Although other anime like Ergo Proxy, Cowboy Bebop, and NGE with jaw-dropping artwork happen to be in my favorites as well. But then we have Texhnolyze, which has a lovely artstyle but fails to win be over with all its other aspects. Is there a connection with artstyle and overall quality? No, there isn't. Though the artstyle undoubtedly plays a prominent service to my enjoyment because, like you said, the visual aspect is essential for a visual medium. However there is a point where more ambitious works, such as that of Masaaki Yuasa, highly scale in both, which more or less speaks through their visual style. Off topic, I can't help but feel like you're misinterpreting the hell out of NHK, Brain ol' pal. I'm not bandwagoning, but seriously, considering how these people who view it so positively sincerely outnumber you, there has to be something they see in it in which you haven't gotten around to. But I digress. Yudina said: OP reads like an edgelord who discovered something about himself, decided to share it with the world, but not as an individual quirk but as question of universality. Could we all take a moment to appreciate the irony of this post? |
| It's like watching a movie There's the ones from 80s, with its unique classical feels to it There's the bollywood There's hollywood Ya people have different taste, so imo, it is important to keep an open mind as to what type of audience the director wants show the anime to. But the hollywood ones, or the ones that have put in a lot of money and resources into, the unique and higher quality ones, are probably the ones that will sell the best. ...then there's sao |
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AltoRoark said: I mean, you literally only took the word edgelord, had no conception of the second half of the sentence, and decided to call it ironic. I don't know where you got your definition of edgelord, but flaming people for stupidity is called "flaming" and not "edgy."Could we all take a moment to appreciate the irony of this post? Sorry to break it to you, but I don't think understanding of irony is your strong suit. Or.....understanding in general. Also, who are you again? "When I first started reviewing, I always said a creative art style is a cornerstone. Since anime is a visual medium, the visual element must tell half the story. Else, why choose it? It seems I was right. All of my favorite anime are visually expressive. " Like.....I had a great laugh at these sentences. It's wrong on so many levels. It's great! :D |
YudinaOct 4, 2016 8:18 PM
| My favorites are almost all unique art styles, it's one of my favorite things in a show, but I also think they are great in other ways, and that in general, there is a correlation, or maybe it's just because I'm a Masaaki Yuasa and Imaishi fan. Being able to choose an art style and direct a show in a way that contributes to the storytelling is part of being a good director, so of course there's going to be some connection, shows with good directing are, well, good. This is dependabt on how much you care about unique art. Obviously there are exceptions, I feel like I need to include this before some jackass points it out. I'm glad you recognize NHK as wish fulfillment, I got like 5 people send me poorly argued essays when I called it that back when I first started posting. |
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merryfistmas said: I never understood this argument, because in order to be wish fulfillment, the main character needs to have some sort of wish....fulfilled.I'm glad you recognize NHK as wish fulfillment, I got like 5 people send me poorly argued essays when I called it that back when I first started posting. I think the guise of wish fulfillment, in the sense of the main character living out a sort of dream or fantasy, is a seductive but ultimately deceitful conceit to fool the audience into believing that Satou is somehow better off than he actually is. I think the show does this multiple times to demonstrate the sort of disillusionment, confusion, and lack of grip he has on reality in part because of his hikki/anxious lifestyle. I can't think of any reason why someone would believe Satou is somehow gifted a sudden improvement in lifestyle by fortuitous happenstance. That's....not what happens. |
Yudina said: It happens multiple times. His improvement is no fault of his own, good things just happen to him. They're not totally ridiculous, Misaki isn't a perfect Waifu, his friend has his own problems as well, but a person in that situation doesn't get out of it without taking somebody initiative unless they're incredibly lucky like Satou. He does have a wish, breaking out of his terrible life style, and it does get fulfilled, by external events he doesn't cause himself. He doesn't become incredibly successful, he makes baby steps, which I liked about the show, but even if he's just a traffic worker making low wages he's still better off than before especially in social situation and that's all the result of Jisaski and other convenient events gifted to Satou.merryfistmas said: I never understood this argument, because in order to be wish fulfillment, the main character needs to have some sort of wish....fulfilled.I'm glad you recognize NHK as wish fulfillment, I got like 5 people send me poorly argued essays when I called it that back when I first started posting. I think the guise of wish fulfillment, in the sense of the main character living out a sort of dream or fantasy, is a seductive but ultimately deceitful conceit to fool the audience into believing that Satou is somehow better off than he actually is. I think the show does this multiple times to demonstrate the sort of disillusionment, confusion, and lack of grip he has on reality in part because of his hikki/anxious lifestyle. I can't think of any reason why someone would believe Satou is somehow gifted a sudden improvement in lifestyle by fortuitous happenstance. That's....not what happens. The show does a good job of showing his delusions by him placing so much importance on inconsequential things, but that's a different issue. |
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merryfistmas said: Calling Misaki even remotely close to a waifu is a mistake, because the entire point of her is that she's not a "waifu," that she is the exact opposite. Yes, she's physically attractive to many, but not only is she mentally unstable, the whole narrative conceit behind her is that she purposefully chose Satou as someone who would fall in love with her precisely to validate her own existence, her own worthlessness as a human being, and her own guilt-ridden conscience. You believing that there's actually a romance between the two that's worth discussing beyond the two of them relying on each other's perceived lack of self-worth would be ignoring a rather significant portion of the show. If you consider this kind of romance to be a sort of wish fulfillment rather than both sides living out a much more sinister and darker fantasy, then that's fine, but don't misconstrue Misaki as someone she's not. People always treat her as a "waifu," but I feel that's dishonest to the intent of the story, which is to explicitly reveal how fucked up she is. Yudina said: It happens multiple times. His improvement is no fault of his own, good things just happen to him. They're not totally ridiculous, Misaki isn't a perfect Waifu, his friend has his own problems as well, but a person in that situation doesn't get out of it without taking somebody initiative unless they're incredibly lucky like Satou. He does have a wish, breaking out of his terrible life style, and it does get fulfilled, by external events he doesn't cause himself. He doesn't become incredibly successful, he makes baby steps, which I liked about the show, but even if he's just a traffic worker making low wages he's still better off than before especially in social situation and that's all the result of Jisaski and other convenient events gifted to Satou.I never understood this argument, because in order to be wish fulfillment, the main character needs to have some sort of wish....fulfilled. I think the guise of wish fulfillment, in the sense of the main character living out a sort of dream or fantasy, is a seductive but ultimately deceitful conceit to fool the audience into believing that Satou is somehow better off than he actually is. I think the show does this multiple times to demonstrate the sort of disillusionment, confusion, and lack of grip he has on reality in part because of his hikki/anxious lifestyle. I can't think of any reason why someone would believe Satou is somehow gifted a sudden improvement in lifestyle by fortuitous happenstance. That's....not what happens. I don't care in this instance that Misaki is attractive. I think people who cite Misaki's attractiveness as a sort of wish fulfillment proves NHK's narrative conceit to be correct, that we have fallen for the physical, which distracts us from the psychological. It is that same quandary that Satou falls prey to. As far as the agency of the main character is concerned....look. First of all, I don't see any particular improvements that are worth lamenting over where we can say that Satou made some great improvement in his life by the end of the anime. I think people make way too much conjecture over how he picked up a job as a traffic worker. It's very clear that by the end of the anime, Satou is not much farther along than he was at the very beginning, despite having come upon a job, which admittedly anyone can operate if he tries hard enough. As a result, any steps that he's made are marginal by any stretch of the imagination, and his relationship with Misaki is nowhere closed to the resolved romances we see in Tatami Galaxy or other shows that similarly detail characters that deal analogous problems. Second of all, the actual social situation behind most hikkikomori in reality is that they are, by themselves, incapable of making changes in their lives. That's why the Japanese government has institutionalized programs for this problem. The inability to manage one's agency is almost the definition of a hikki. Welcome to the NHK is as much a story about the cursory elements as it is about the main character himself, about the people in Satou's life who move in and out of his life and demonstrate a capacity for agency that Satou does not. Some linger around and stay with Satou, but much like Misaki, do so out of a personal selfishness and nostalgia that they remove themselves in order to not become Satou himself. I think there's an optimistic ending to NHK, but that belies the reality that Satou still finds himself in a very similar hole, but demonstrates a particular willingness to work out his problems rather than shutting himself away. Hence why the ending shot is taken outside. That's the first major step for any stereotypical hikki, that is exposure to the outside world. Outside of that, I don't think any argument can be made that there are significant improvements made to his life. I very much question this idea that him having a job is "much better." NHK is not about his financial or social situation. Those are not particularly important. It's very clear that he had plenty of opportunities to make friends, have a girlfriend, and live the college dream. It's about his psychological state which is very much in the air. |
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| There's a very minor amount of correlation, and neither are good indicators of the other. OPM has a pretty crappy artstyle, but the animation quality is decent. Seiken Tsukai no World Break has very standard art style, but the shittiest shit shitty shit-ass animation I've seen since Mars of Destruction. |
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Yudina said: merryfistmas said: Calling Misaki even remotely close to a waifu is a mistake, because the entire point of her is that she's not a "waifu," that she is the exact opposite. Yes, she's physically attractive to many, but not only is she mentally unstable, the whole narrative conceit behind her is that she purposefully chose Satou as someone who would fall in love with her precisely to validate her own existence, her own worthlessness as a human being, and her own guilt-ridden conscience. You believing that there's actually a romance between the two that's worth discussing beyond the two of them relying on each other's perceived lack of self-worth would be ignoring a rather significant portion of the show. If you consider this kind of romance to be a sort of wish fulfillment rather than both sides living out a much more sinister and darker fantasy, then that's fine, but don't misconstrue Misaki as someone she's not. People always treat her as a "waifu," but I feel that's dishonest to the intent of the story, which is to explicitly reveal how fucked up she is. It happens multiple times. His improvement is no fault of his own, good things just happen to him. They're not totally ridiculous, Misaki isn't a perfect Waifu, his friend has his own problems as well, but a person in that situation doesn't get out of it without taking somebody initiative unless they're incredibly lucky like Satou. He does have a wish, breaking out of his terrible life style, and it does get fulfilled, by external events he doesn't cause himself. He doesn't become incredibly successful, he makes baby steps, which I liked about the show, but even if he's just a traffic worker making low wages he's still better off than before especially in social situation and that's all the result of Jisaski and other convenient events gifted to Satou. As far as the agency of the main character is concerned....look. First of all, I don't see any particular improvements that are worth lamenting over where we can say that Satou made some great improvement in his life by the end of the anime. I think people make way too much conjecture over how he picked up a job as a traffic worker. It's very clear that by the end of the anime, Satou is not much farther along than he was at the very beginning, despite having come upon a job, which admittedly anyone can operate if he tries hard enough. As a result, any steps that he's made are marginal by any stretch of the imagination, and his relationship with Misaki is nowhere closed to the resolved romances we see in Tatami Galaxy or other shows that similarly detail characters that deal analogous problems. Second of all, the actual social situation behind most hikkikomori in reality is that they are, by themselves, incapable of making changes in their lives. That's why the Japanese government has institutionalized programs for this problem. The inability to manage one's agency is almost the definition of a hikki. Welcome to the NHK is as much a story about the cursory elements as it is about the main character himself, about the people in Satou's life who move in and out of his life and demonstrate a capacity for agency that Satou does not. Some linger around and stay with Satou, but much like Misaki, do so out of a personal selfishness and nostalgia that they remove themselves in order to not become Satou himself. I think there's an optimistic ending to NHK, but that belies the reality that Satou still finds himself in a very similar hole, but demonstrates a particular willingness to work out his problems rather than shutting himself away. Hence why the ending shot is taken outside. That's the first major step for any stereotypical hikki, that is exposure to the outside world. Outside of that, I don't think any argument can be made that there are significant improvements made to his life. I very much question this idea that him having a job is "much better." NHK is not about his financial or social situation. Those are not particularly important. It's very clear that he had plenty of opportunities to make friends, have a girlfriend, and live the college dream. It's about his psychological state which is very much in the air. Yeah, that's why I said she isn't a perfect waifu. His situation massively improved, being willing to face his problems is the biggest improvement he could have made, it's the only way he's going to get better in the end. He's not much farther along the path but that fact that he started down it at all is huge. I don't see how any argument can be made that getting out of that rut isn't life changing. Keeping his change within the realms of reason just means it's done realistically. |
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SakurasouBusters said: TheBrainintheJar said: When I first started reviewing, I always said a creative art style is a cornerstone. Since anime is a visual medium, the visual element must tell half the story. Else, why choose it? It seems I was right. All of my favorite anime are visually expressive. Even Paranoia Agent - which is fairly realistic - puts effort into character design and memorable visual cues. On the other hand, the worst anime I've ever seen is NHK and it also has the worst art style. What's your experience? I was going to take your question seriously, then you said Welcome to the NHK was the worst anime you've ever seen. I mean opinions, but cmon! Sorry, but a hikkie who doesn't know net porn exist is as believable as clothes that talk - at least KLK presented itself as fantasy. Doe that anime really has such a sensitive fanbase? AltoRoark said: Monster's artstyle is pretty inexpressive and yet it's one of my favorites. Although other anime like Ergo Proxy, Cowboy Bebop, and NGE with jaw-dropping artwork happen to be in my favorites as well. But then we have Texhnolyze, which has a lovely artstyle but fails to win be over with all its other aspects. Is there a connection with artstyle and overall quality? No, there isn't. Though the artstyle undoubtedly plays a prominent service to my enjoyment because, like you said, the visual aspect is essential for a visual medium. However there is a point where more ambitious works, such as that of Masaaki Yuasa, highly scale in both, which more or less speaks through their visual style. Off topic, I can't help but feel like you're misinterpreting the hell out of NHK, Brain ol' pal. I'm not bandwagoning, but seriously, considering how these people who view it so positively sincerely outnumber you, there has to be something they see in it in which you haven't gotten around to. But I digress. Yudina said: OP reads like an edgelord who discovered something about himself, decided to share it with the world, but not as an individual quirk but as question of universality. Could we all take a moment to appreciate the irony of this post? I'm no fan of Monster but give it some credit. It does rely on realism too much which makes its character design less attention-grabbing. Compare it to Ping Pong or Paranoia Agent, which are more minimalistic but had small touches which made their designs memorable. Still, it has an abundance of details that's quite admirable if not beautiful. I'm also outnumbered by people who love Texhnolyze. At least people had a theory behind Tex. If someone can show me the virtues of NHK go ahead. I didn't know it's such a sacred cow. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: SakurasouBusters said: I was going to take your question seriously, then you said Welcome to the NHK was the worst anime you've ever seen. I mean opinions, but cmon! Sorry, but a hikkie who doesn't know net porn exist is as believable as clothes that talk - at least KLK presented itself as fantasy. Doe that anime really has such a sensitive fanbase? AltoRoark said: Monster's artstyle is pretty inexpressive and yet it's one of my favorites. Although other anime like Ergo Proxy, Cowboy Bebop, and NGE with jaw-dropping artwork happen to be in my favorites as well. But then we have Texhnolyze, which has a lovely artstyle but fails to win be over with all its other aspects. Is there a connection with artstyle and overall quality? No, there isn't. Though the artstyle undoubtedly plays a prominent service to my enjoyment because, like you said, the visual aspect is essential for a visual medium. However there is a point where more ambitious works, such as that of Masaaki Yuasa, highly scale in both, which more or less speaks through their visual style. Off topic, I can't help but feel like you're misinterpreting the hell out of NHK, Brain ol' pal. I'm not bandwagoning, but seriously, considering how these people who view it so positively sincerely outnumber you, there has to be something they see in it in which you haven't gotten around to. But I digress. Could we all take a moment to appreciate the irony of this post? I'm no fan of Monster but give it some credit. It does rely on realism too much which makes its character design less attention-grabbing. Compare it to Ping Pong or Paranoia Agent, which are more minimalistic but had small touches which made their designs memorable. Still, it has an abundance of details that's quite admirable if not beautiful. I'm also outnumbered by people who love Texhnolyze. At least people had a theory behind Tex. If someone can show me the virtues of NHK go ahead. I didn't know it's such a sacred cow. If thats all that NHK was to you, than nothing i can say will change that, but there is a reason its such a highly rated and loved anime. |
| No correlation for me neither. Especially about old anime; they don't necessarily have that astonishing design, yet they can be masterpiece by their story or anything else. I also think that lower quality in the design can give a good feel in an anime. Such as NHK for that matter. Sometimes design can be awesome but story (if there's at least a story) so bad ... |
| Because all of your favorites were visually appealing to you... art style is a universal cornerstone in anime as a storytelling medium. Right. Anyway, in my experience visual appeal and impressiveness has never been directly correlated to overall quality, and even excellent visual storytelling isn't enough to "carry" a work beyond passable if the base story isn't that great. The case in point for me would be Makoto Shinkai films, which tend to have excellent visual storytelling, yet the stories themselves are rarely ever compelling. Conversely, the House of Small Cubes never does anything particularly noteworthy with its art style or camera, yet it tells its story very well all the same. Of course, there are times when they do line up. For as overblown as the style might have been at points, some of the more subtle points of Ef's visual storytelling stick with me, particularly the times when images of the bright, cloudy skies filled the character desgins atop a black backdrop, symbolizing the dreams they carried. This added to the experience. Likewise, the final episode of Kimi ni Todoke's first season wouldn't have been nearly as magical without the gorgeous setting and the subtle changes to the main duo's character designs (that being the first time we've seen them dressed in a more flattering way). Further, One Piece has a number of excellent symbolic framing shots throughout the series, demonstrating the relationships between characters in a much more profound way than narration or dialogue could in such a short time. That being said, there's a huge difference between saying visual storytelling can add to the experience and saying it's a requirement for an excellent experience. Even more, having an appealing or unappealing art style has little to do with the presence or lack thereof of visual storytelling, making an appealing art style a requirement for a high quality experience nonsensical beyond personal preference. |
SakurasouBusters said: TheBrainintheJar said: Sorry, but a hikkie who doesn't know net porn exist is as believable as clothes that talk - at least KLK presented itself as fantasy. Doe that anime really has such a sensitive fanbase? I'm no fan of Monster but give it some credit. It does rely on realism too much which makes its character design less attention-grabbing. Compare it to Ping Pong or Paranoia Agent, which are more minimalistic but had small touches which made their designs memorable. Still, it has an abundance of details that's quite admirable if not beautiful. I'm also outnumbered by people who love Texhnolyze. At least people had a theory behind Tex. If someone can show me the virtues of NHK go ahead. I didn't know it's such a sacred cow. If thats all that NHK was to you, than nothing i can say will change that, but there is a reason its such a highly rated and loved anime. There's also a reason people worship Boom Bap - its lack of mainstream appeal makes them feel cool about themselves. The music's still crap. TripleSRank said: Because all of your favorites were visually appealing to you... art style is a universal cornerstone in anime as a storytelling medium. Right. Anyway, in my experience visual appeal and impressiveness has never been directly correlated to overall quality, and even excellent visual storytelling isn't enough to "carry" a work beyond passable if the base story isn't that great. The case in point for me would be Makoto Shinkai films, which tend to have excellent visual storytelling, yet the stories themselves are rarely ever compelling. Conversely, the House of Small Cubes never does anything particularly noteworthy with its art style or camera, yet it tells its story very well all the same. Of course, there are times when they do line up. For as overblown as the style might have been at points, some of the more subtle points of Ef's visual storytelling stick with me, particularly the times when images of the bright, cloudy skies filled the character desgins atop a black backdrop, symbolizing the dreams they carried. This added to the experience. Likewise, the final episode of Kimi ni Todoke's first season wouldn't have been nearly as magical without the gorgeous setting and the subtle changes to the main duo's character designs (that being the first time we've seen them dressed in a more flattering way). Further, One Piece has a number of excellent symbolic framing shots throughout the series, demonstrating the relationships between characters in a much more profound way than narration or dialogue could in such a short time. That being said, there's a huge difference between saying visual storytelling can add to the experience and saying it's a requirement for an excellent experience. Even more, having an appealing or unappealing art style has little to do with the presence or lack thereof of visual storytelling, making an appealing art style a requirement for a high quality experience nonsensical beyond personal preference. This is all personal preferences. Art is personal, after all. I also find artstyle to be integral to visual storytelling. I wasn't saying that artstyle elevate stories to the next level. Rather, that great anime often have great artstyles. I haven't seen a great anime that lacked in the visual department. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: SakurasouBusters said: If thats all that NHK was to you, than nothing i can say will change that, but there is a reason its such a highly rated and loved anime. There's also a reason people worship Boom Bap - its lack of mainstream appeal makes them feel cool about themselves. The music's still crap. TripleSRank said: Because all of your favorites were visually appealing to you... art style is a universal cornerstone in anime as a storytelling medium. Right. Anyway, in my experience visual appeal and impressiveness has never been directly correlated to overall quality, and even excellent visual storytelling isn't enough to "carry" a work beyond passable if the base story isn't that great. The case in point for me would be Makoto Shinkai films, which tend to have excellent visual storytelling, yet the stories themselves are rarely ever compelling. Conversely, the House of Small Cubes never does anything particularly noteworthy with its art style or camera, yet it tells its story very well all the same. Of course, there are times when they do line up. For as overblown as the style might have been at points, some of the more subtle points of Ef's visual storytelling stick with me, particularly the times when images of the bright, cloudy skies filled the character desgins atop a black backdrop, symbolizing the dreams they carried. This added to the experience. Likewise, the final episode of Kimi ni Todoke's first season wouldn't have been nearly as magical without the gorgeous setting and the subtle changes to the main duo's character designs (that being the first time we've seen them dressed in a more flattering way). Further, One Piece has a number of excellent symbolic framing shots throughout the series, demonstrating the relationships between characters in a much more profound way than narration or dialogue could in such a short time. That being said, there's a huge difference between saying visual storytelling can add to the experience and saying it's a requirement for an excellent experience. Even more, having an appealing or unappealing art style has little to do with the presence or lack thereof of visual storytelling, making an appealing art style a requirement for a high quality experience nonsensical beyond personal preference. This is all personal preferences. Art is personal, after all. I also find artstyle to be integral to visual storytelling. I wasn't saying that artstyle elevate stories to the next level. Rather, that great anime often have great artstyles. I haven't seen a great anime that lacked in the visual department. Ill agree to disagree with NHK, However by saying about the art style, you're pretty much saying that all old anime from the 70s and 80s are bad which is far from the truth. |
| Well I would say that all of the 10 anime in my favourites have great visuals but at the same time I don't think good artstyle implies a good narrative (and *gasp* some of those anime in my faves aren't in my faves because of the story). For example even though it had amazing visuals I don't think 5cm Per Second was anything more than just "good". Interesting that you would say that NHK is so bad. I think it is a very contrived anime filled with plot convenience, almost to the point of being an "idiot plot", and that lots of people just like it because it's "relatable", but at the same time I don't think it is bad. |
TheBrainintheJar said: When I first started reviewing, I always said a creative art style is a cornerstone. Since anime is a visual medium, the visual element must tell half the story. Else, why choose it? It seems I was right. All of my favorite anime are visually expressive. Even Paranoia Agent - which is fairly realistic - puts effort into character design and memorable visual cues. On the other hand, the worst anime I've ever seen is NHK and it also has the worst art style. What's your experience? really doubt the worst anime you've ever seen is nhk lol. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Sorry, but a hikkie who doesn't know net porn exist is as believable as clothes that talk - at least KLK presented itself as fantasy. Doe that anime really has such a sensitive fanbase? Well I'm not sensitive about it, since you're free think whatever you want but what I got out of was: |
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