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| Overall disappointed with this series. It wasn't as if the universe was that unclear to anyone who was a purely anime watcher so this series was more exciting to me with the premise of seeing how the lovable characters we see in DR2 get turned into despairs. The psychological dark corners we can revert to is a key part of Danganronpa, without it there would be no murders and no trials. Which is why with a concept of regular, talented students who became tools of pure evil was really interesting to me. How would Juno break them down, driving them into darkness and causing them to turn (for lack of better phrase) to the dark side. It would have been very possible, with her expertise and the pasts of the students themselves, for a coherent plot centred on contorting and torturing them until they regress to such a dark state. Still aware of themselves but so overcome with despair that they do such awful things. Brainwashing... is uncreative and boring. It dismisses any issue with how Junko could be so cunning as to break students like them. It also makes them fully innocent, not like with the murderers from DR1 and DR2 who we acknowledge have done wrong but we still hold blame for Junko who put them in that situation. It requires no character depth or development and is effective immediately. What was a key core of the series to me was this concept of the infectious power of despair that can affect anyone, NOT the power of changing people's brains so that they love despair. It could be someone losing their dreams, family or sense of self like the student's pasts could have been possible with. I know there are quite a few students, and they DID have the Nanami torture to make it a bit more meaningful, but in my opinion much more creativity and focus should have been placed on how Junko broke them down meticulously. Honestly, how many "Hey, you have a daughter, Kirigiri, right? I wonder if she'll do anything important in the future hmmmm" and 'we see Sakakura's fuck up that we were hinted at in the future arc' scenes do we fucking need? |
| Well, it's over and I'm not fully sure how I feel. I was enjoying this season so much when it began, but I felt like it just kept on getting harder for me to watch. I know that they're all supposed to fall into despair ultimately, but it could have been written so much better. Just compare episode 11 of the Future Arc to this. Showing how Naegi was I feel like Despair Arc could have done better. I feel as if Peko and Fuyuhiko should have been in despair since Fuyuhiko's little sister was murdered and they planned their revenge. I feel as if a lot of things from the backstories shown in the game could have come into play for this anime. Overall, still a great show. I personally love how they portrayed the SHSL Imposter. They made him into a great character with a fleshed out personality in the end. I feel as if they were given the short end of the stick in the second game. I'm still wondering why Mitarai NEVER appeared in the second game. Maybe it's because the only time he did go to campus was to "help" Junko with her mind control device. He was still a part of their class, so I feel bad they left him out. Anyways, I enjoyed this series. I started off liking Despair Arc more than Future Arc, however now it's switched. I feel as if Future Arc has a better story and flow overall. It was still GREAT to see my babies from SDR2 animated, though! I kind of wish they did an anime that recreated the second game's events. Maybe if these anime are popular enough it will be a thing in the future? One can hope, aha. |
FUTURE ARC HASN'T LET ME DOWN YET. LET THIS BE A STEPPING STONE FOR HOPE that some of plot points dropped in Despair around Komaeda will actually amount to something. ;___; HyperL said: Man, people sure are letting their disappointment control them... 4/10 just because of some brainwashing plot device? 4/10 just because the 78th class was not the focus of the story? People are deeming the show as bad just because of one or two things...Just because they let their expectations go sky high and antecipated things that were clearly impossible, specially for a 11ep story, like seriously, you people should've predicted it a mile away, and one doesnt need to be Izuru to predict this, you all brought your own disappointment upon yourselves... I gave it 4/10 myself and I never had any higher expectations than getting to see Komaeda animated alongside some hopefully solid-ish writing. The reason it got so low a score is that it retroactively almost ruined DR2 for me. Not just because it was Bad Anime, but 'cause it messed around with important principles of canon for no freaking reason, not even bothering to explain itself. Just "Muh Hinata-kun", "Muh best girl Chiaki". And, well, it was a hell of a lot of telling rather than showing (other than torture porn, which it seemed to revel in), throwing out plot threads that went nowhere, character motivations that made little sense etc.). I am also very steamed, re:the 77th class since this was supposedly their story, but it was 60% Chiaki worship & Junko antics, 30% backstory for DR3 characters, 10% anything else. The show was very specifically marketed to be about them, but it wasn't. They were one-note background characters in what was promised to be their story. Perhaps if the marketing would have been more honest I'd have given it a 5/10 instead. I'm glad some people feel like they didn't waste their time, but like. I don't understand. What did they enjoy about DR2 in the first place? Collecting underwear??? |
currycurrySep 23, 2016 7:01 PM
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4Dissinity said: Angry_Always said: Brainwashing... is uncreative and boring. I don't know why people dislike brainwashing so much for Angry (and a couple other people i assume), its cause it was boring and un-creative. And Hypno-mindbreaking isn't the only way to brain wash someone, even tho that's the only way present in this show. anyways, watched the subs and that final classroom session is really weird. if it wasn't for the spinning eyes, i would be confused as to if they were actually despair or not based on their dialog. Spread joy? Sending medicine to hospitals? Who are they trying to fool, did i miss something? |
AzuStar said: for Angry (and a couple other people i assume), its cause it was boring and un-creative. And Hypno-mindbreaking isn't the only way to brain wash someone, even tho that's the only way present in this show. Its pretty much the only way to do it within a short timespan to make people commit mass suicide and turn normal starry eyed kids into psychopathic genocidal self mutilating monsters. I think it would have been WAY more half ass'd if Junko also had the power of the super high school "charisma". People already complain about Nagito's talent solving things, this is like x10's that (Junko did it because she has the talent to do it, no context or story needed, the end). Because face it, withought brainwashing or some Danganronpa level talent theres no way to do what she did. And I think what everyone (not necessarily you) is forgetting is that no matter what Junko did to change the 77 class, it would be considered brainwashing. Whether through charisma or anime. make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure. The only difference is the means, and like someone else said in this thread, a Clockwork Orange type Anime based brainwashing is pretty fkng original. The opposite of un-creative. Hell, for every 1 brainwashing plot I have ever seen I've seen like 100 amnesia plots lol. I also disagree that it was boring. It had a direct effect on multiple characters because it was brainwashing. Miritai's talent that he thought would make the world happy did the exact opposite, and Munakata ends up alone not knowing who he can trust because everyone could be brainwashed. And it lead to the ability to have a killing game with no killer. (what is the quantifier for "boring" anyway?) Too many people look at it as brainwashing without any context in how it is used in the story. You know what else is boring and lazy without any story context, AMNESIA! Honestly the more I consider the way they were brainwashed the more I like it. |
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currycurry said: FUTURE ARC HASN'T LET ME DOWN YET. LET THIS BE A STEPPING STONE FOR HOPE that some of plot points dropped in Despair around Komaeda will actually amount to something. ;___; HyperL said: Man, people sure are letting their disappointment control them... 4/10 just because of some brainwashing plot device? 4/10 just because the 78th class was not the focus of the story? People are deeming the show as bad just because of one or two things...Just because they let their expectations go sky high and antecipated things that were clearly impossible, specially for a 11ep story, like seriously, you people should've predicted it a mile away, and one doesnt need to be Izuru to predict this, you all brought your own disappointment upon yourselves... I gave it 4/10 myself and I never had any higher expectations than getting to see Komaeda animated alongside some hopefully solid-ish writing. The reason it got so low a score is that it retroactively almost ruined DR2 for me. Not just because it was Bad Anime, but 'cause it messed around with important principles of canon for no freaking reason, not even bothering to explain itself. Just "Muh Hinata-kun", "Muh best girl Chiaki". And, well, it was a hell of a lot of telling rather than showing (other than torture porn, which it seemed to revel in), throwing out plot threads that went nowhere, character motivations that made little sense etc.). I am also very steamed, re:the 77th class since this was supposedly their story, but it was 60% Chiaki worship & Junko antics, 30% backstory for DR3 characters, 10% anything else. The show was very specifically marketed to be about them, but it wasn't. They were one-note background characters in what was promised to be their story. Perhaps if the marketing would have been more honest I'd have given it a 5/10 instead. I'm glad some people feel like they didn't waste their time, but like. I don't understa ornd. What did they enjoy about DR2 in the first place? Collecting underwear??? Well, I think the characters are most important part of DR2 since you have to spend a lot of time with them, thing is we already learned everything of importance about them in the game itself, What use would they have in the anime other than being the guys that get screwed over? |
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currycurry said: FUTURE ARC HASN'T LET ME DOWN YET. LET THIS BE A STEPPING STONE FOR HOPE that some of plot points dropped in Despair around Komaeda will actually amount to something. ;___; HyperL said: Man, people sure are letting their disappointment control them... 4/10 just because of some brainwashing plot device? 4/10 just because the 78th class was not the focus of the story? People are deeming the show as bad just because of one or two things...Just because they let their expectations go sky high and antecipated things that were clearly impossible, specially for a 11ep story, like seriously, you people should've predicted it a mile away, and one doesnt need to be Izuru to predict this, you all brought your own disappointment upon yourselves... I gave it 4/10 myself and I never had any higher expectations than getting to see Komaeda animated alongside some hopefully solid-ish writing. The reason it got so low a score is that it retroactively almost ruined DR2 for me. Not just because it was Bad Anime, but 'cause it messed around with important principles of canon for no freaking reason, not even bothering to explain itself. Just "Muh Hinata-kun", "Muh best girl Chiaki". And, well, it was a hell of a lot of telling rather than showing (other than torture porn, which it seemed to revel in), throwing out plot threads that went nowhere, character motivations that made little sense etc.). I am also very steamed, re:the 77th class since this was supposedly their story, but it was 60% Chiaki worship & Junko antics, 30% backstory for DR3 characters, 10% anything else. The show was very specifically marketed to be about them, but it wasn't. They were one-note background characters in what was promised to be their story. Perhaps if the marketing would have been more honest I'd have given it a 5/10 instead. I'm glad some people feel like they didn't waste their time, but like. I don't understand. What did they enjoy about DR2 in the first place? Collecting underwear??? Can you post the article where you found that they said it will be only about them? I've gone through a few of the past articles and all I could find is that Super Danganronpa 2's cast will play a role in Side:Despair. In any case, what more would you want from the SDR2 cast? They were almost all fully developed in the game, except for the imposter, yet he got enough screen time in this anime to develop him a bit, we even got to see his real face. They were even generous enough to give us 2 whole episodes featuring them in comedic moments, not to mention showcasing them here and there almost every episode. Nagito got a whole episode dedicated to him, Hajime too. Chiaki got a lot of screentime which makes sense since we don't really know her. |
| ++++++++++++++++points for Chapter 5 Investigation music. -----points for stopping it at the middle. :/ Okay. Honestly, the last part was all what I was waiting for. But I got disappointed cause I felt that Despair arc was just a stepping stone and background building for Future arc. Sure, they showed a lot of DR2 foreshadowings, but it didn't felt like a DR2 show like I imagined. They had fun, brainwashed, and became despair. That's it. Izuru only did 1 or 2 things besides saying "boring". And Ryota and Yukizome had more character dev than the DR2 cast. We loved DR2 because of both characters and story. I don't really think that this arc (and Future arc as well) has captured that feeling. BUT BUT BUT. I know that what they're doing is not for the fanservice. Unfortunately, what I'm ranting about is that it did not meet my expectations as a DR player, but it doesn't mean that they did it wrong. So for me, I'm still giving it a 7/10. |
RyuugamonoSep 24, 2016 8:42 AM
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| And now we know why anime and memes are a threat to your lyfe. I started watching this series just because it shares the same characters from DR1 and SDR2, thinking that it would give me the same level of suspense and excitement.. but boy was I wrong. Now that the despair has ended, let's hope that the final episode of future arc can give this series the best possible ending .. and by that, I mean bringing Junko back as a mastermind.. somehow ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 6/10 for Zetsubou-hen |
| I couldn't help but laugh at the "memes" Despair spread through memes... Possible. Very possible. Now dare you show Kirigiri's class.... It turns out Kirigiri and Asahina were friends back then, too. And Mondou and Chihiro, too. Gah... See? Enoshima is merciful where it really counts. Deep inside, she always wanted to die in the most despairing kind of way. She kinda won that ending at least. And she left a huge mark on everyone. What a villain, I love. Man Chisa should be High School ultimate actor. I feel the worst for her, because she wanted to grant hope to her students and she did her best. But got brainwashed in the worst way possible. And now all this happened. She managed to curropt Munakata, too. Like Damn, it's tragic. Just as hope can't exist without despair, despair can't exist without hope either. Junko knows it well and makes full use of it. Great. Dammit don't show Chiaki x Hinata at the end... Danganronpa 2... I might like AI Chiaki more (tho I like her human ver. too) |
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HyperL said: currycurry said: ... Well, I think the characters are most important part of DR2 since you have to spend a lot of time with them, thing is we already learned everything of importance about them in the game itself, What use would they have in the anime other than being the guys that get screwed over? By that logic, why were Chiaki and Junko in the show at all? We know plenty about them already, especially Junko. Why is anyone other than the new DR3 characters major players? Or whatever. No. It'd just be great if - with whatever screen time they have - the returning 77th class of characters + Junko and Mukuro could have the low-low standard of staying in character. For example: Mukuro's dismissal of Naegi, Mahiru and Sonia's tendency to be active at building the group up, Komaeda's fear of planes. Or, if the 77th class are going to become completely dependent on Chiaki that could, you know, be portrayed as a BAD thing? That Chiaki's (inexplicable) obsession with Hajime to the point of NOT QUESTIONING why he shot Komaeda, instead asking about his HAIR could be portrayed as a BAD thing? That her guilt-tripping her whole class to charge towards two KNOWN DANGERS INDIVIDUALS in order to save her teacher (who very much didn't wanted to keep her class saved! Thank you very much!) who be portrayed as the deliberate self-delusion it was? But noooo. It's just 'cause Junko is Evil!!! Precious Cinnamon Roll Chiaki did nothing wrong. uwu And it would be even better if the purpose of DR2 isn't implied to have been some random Waifu x Waifu showdown between Junko and Chiaki, thus again undermining the agency of the 77th class. And more impossible retconning, like Izuru somehow making the Chiaki AI for his Junko x Chiaki AI showdown despite the fact that Chiaki AI implies she's made by Chihiro Fujisaki, that she and Monomi are connected, and both were in there as part of the original game programming to monitor the Despair students. Just... no. DR3 Despair just isn't compatible with DR2. I haven't been commenting in the forums much, and I've TRIED to see ways some of this universe could work with canon (many sides to a story!), but I can't excuse it anymore. It has it's bright moments, but DR3 Despair is badly written Mary Sue fan fiction. And believe me - I've read badly written Mary Sue fanfiction in my time on earth. Despair has all the signs of one. It's entire purpose is to warp reality so she can be a tragic waifu Jesus figure, unblemished by Sin. Disclaimer: imo scenes w/ the DR3 characters (on the whole) are some of the few quality moments in DR, even in Despair arc. Rukoudiora said: Can you post the article where you found that they said it will be only about them? I've gone through a few of the past articles and all I could find is that Super Danganronpa 2's cast will play a role in Side:Despair. No, no, no. You misunderstood me. The marketing - not just an article, but marketing - never said Despair would ONLY be about them, but it gave the impression that their role would still be more equal than what it became. It also wasn't revealed until just before the teaser trailer that Human Chiaki as even a thing, let alone that her role would encompass the entire show. In fact, Hajime dominated the posters and he hardly had a role! I include Izuru in this since he did jack all beyond a couple conversations and staring a whole lot. Honestly, I've been following the marketing for ages and trying to detail all it's done to mislead expectations would be a huge undertaking and not something I want to do for an anime I've come to hate. There are better and more positive uses of my time. But the paragraph above is what I can think of off the top of my head. There is much, much more. In any case, what more would you want from the SDR2 cast? They were almost all fully developed in the game, except for the imposter, yet he got enough screen time in this anime to develop him a bit, we even got to see his real face. They were even generous enough to give us 2 whole episodes featuring them in comedic moments, not to mention showcasing them here and there almost every episode. Nagito got a whole episode dedicated to him, Hajime too. Chiaki got a lot of screentime which makes sense since we don't really know her. I wrote a lot of my grievances about the DR2 cast in response to someone else just above. Feel free to read that. One thing I'll add, though, is that a lot of problems re:characters is the amount of repetition and "moments" that don't go anywhere whatsoever. Episode 3 was great - one of my favorites - but it has very little impression on the characters beyond them being bummed in Episode 4 in order for Nagito to do his thing. Which makes no SENSE. Three people were involved in the murder of another person and it has zero emotional weight beyond "wow, the class is Sad". For some reason. Also - why? I mean, I love him - Nagito's my favorite character in all of video gaming - but why did he need an entire episode to portray his luck cycle? Will it have any plot importance down the line? And when he was expelled - WHERE WAS HE FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR? But no, none of this is explained. He just shows up knowing veering, has a gun, lol, just after fun times on vacation with on a flying metal birth of death, something he's canonically terrified of. Then he sees Kamakura, finds hope in the shojo field, then none of it matters anyway because everyone's memories are gonna be erased 'cause... reasons??? Like, there could be a good reason for all of this (bar the memory erasure, which is garbage) but none of it is explained. Which makes none of it valid. It's like. a bunch of random fan service that serves no purpose other than to undermine the story you're telling. It's terrible writing. Unless your point is that all roads lead to Chiaki Nanami? In which case... yeah. Good job. Top tier job. =__= There's more... I'm just. Done. Thinking about everything this show has done wrong is depressing. Feel free to look up the DR3 thread on neogaf. They had a LOT of ideas about what could have been done about the 77th class in this 11 ep anime format. I don't agree with all of them, but they're almost all better than what we got. |
currycurrySep 24, 2016 1:52 PM
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currycurry said: HyperL said: Well, I think the characters are most important part of DR2 since you have to spend a lot of time with them, thing is we already learned everything of importance about them in the game itself, What use would they have in the anime other than being the guys that get screwed over? By that logic, why were Chiaki and Junko in the show at all? We know plenty about them already, especially Junko. Why is anyone other than the new DR3 characters major players? Or whatever. No. It'd just be great if - with whatever screen time they have - the returning 77th class of characters + Junko and Mukuro could have the low-low standard of staying in character. For example: Mukuro's dismissal of Naegi, Mahiru and Sonia's tendency to be active at building the group up, Komaeda's fear of planes. Or, if the 77th class are going to become completely dependent on Chiaki that could, you know, be portrayed as a BAD thing? That Chiaki's (inexplicable) obsession with Hajime to the point of NOT QUESTIONING why he shot Komaeda, instead asking about his HAIR could be portrayed as a BAD thing? That her guilt-tripping her whole class to charge towards two KNOWN DANGERS INDIVIDUALS in order to save her teacher (who very much didn't wanted to keep her class saved! Thank you very much!) who be portrayed as the deliberate self-delusion it was? But noooo. It's just 'cause Junko is Evil!!! Precious Cinnamon Roll Chiaki did nothing wrong. uwu And it would be even better if the purpose of DR2 isn't implied to have been some random Waifu x Waifu showdown between Junko and Chiaki, thus again undermining the agency of the 77th class. And more impossible retconning, like Izuru somehow making the Chiaki AI for his Junko x Chiaki AI showdown despite the fact that Chiaki AI implies she's made by Chihiro Fujisaki, that she and Monomi are connected, and both were in there as part of the original game programming to monitor the Despair students. Just... no. DR3 Despair just isn't compatible with DR2. I haven't been commenting in the forums much, and I've TRIED to see ways some of this universe could work with canon (many sides to a story!), but I can't excuse it anymore. It has it's bright moments, but DR3 Despair is badly written Mary Sue fan fiction. And believe me - I've read badly written Mary Sue fanfiction in my time on earth. Despair has all the signs of one. It's entire purpose is to warp reality so she can be a tragic waifu Jesus figure, unblemished by Sin. Disclaimer: imo scenes w/ the DR3 characters (on the whole) are some of the few quality moments in DR, even in Despair arc. Rukoudiora said: Can you post the article where you found that they said it will be only about them? I've gone through a few of the past articles and all I could find is that Super Danganronpa 2's cast will play a role in Side:Despair. No, no, no. You misunderstood me. The marketing - not just an article, but marketing - never said Despair would ONLY be about them, but it gave the impression that their role would still be more equal than what it became. It also wasn't revealed until just before the teaser trailer that Human Chiaki as even a thing, let alone that her role would encompass the entire show. In fact, Hajime dominated the posters and he hardly had a role! I include Izuru in this since he did jack all beyond a couple conversations and staring a whole lot. Honestly, I've been following the marketing for ages and trying to detail all it's done to mislead expectations would be a huge undertaking and not something I want to do for an anime I've come to hate. There are better and more positive uses of my time. But the paragraph above is what I can think of off the top of my head. There is much, much more. In any case, what more would you want from the SDR2 cast? They were almost all fully developed in the game, except for the imposter, yet he got enough screen time in this anime to develop him a bit, we even got to see his real face. They were even generous enough to give us 2 whole episodes featuring them in comedic moments, not to mention showcasing them here and there almost every episode. Nagito got a whole episode dedicated to him, Hajime too. Chiaki got a lot of screentime which makes sense since we don't really know her. I wrote a lot of my grievances about the DR2 cast in response to someone else just above. Feel free to read that. One thing I'll add, though, is that a lot of problems re:characters is the amount of repetition and "moments" that don't go anywhere whatsoever. Episode 3 was great - one of my favorites - but it has very little impression on the characters beyond them being bummed in Episode 4 in order for Nagito to do his thing. Which makes no SENSE. Three people were involved in the murder of another person and it has zero emotional weight beyond "wow, the class is Sad". For some reason. Also - why? I mean, I love him - Nagito's my favorite character in all of video gaming - but why did he need an entire episode to portray his luck cycle? Will it have any plot importance down the line? And when he was expelled - WHERE WAS HE FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR? But no, none of this is explained. He just shows up knowing veering, has a gun, lol, just after fun times on vacation with on a flying metal birth of death, something he's canonically terrified of. Then he sees Kamakura, finds hope in the shojo field, then none of it matters anyway because everyone's memories are gonna be erased 'cause... reasons??? Like, there could be a good reason for all of this (bar the memory erasure, which is garbage) but none of it is explained. Which makes none of it valid. It's like. a bunch of random fan service that serves no purpose other than to undermine the story you're telling. It's terrible writing. Unless your point is that all roads lead to Chiaki Nanami? In which case... yeah. Good job. Top tier job. =__= There's more... I'm just. Done. Thinking about everything this show has done wrong is depressing. Feel free to look up the DR3 thread on neogaf. They had a LOT of ideas about what could have been done about the 77th class in this 11 ep anime format. I don't agree with all of them, but they're almost all better than what we got. It gave the impression to you, therefore it's your fault no? I expected from the beginning that it would be the past before everything, I knew Junko would play a big role, because it's obvious, I knew it would be more about the incidents that took place like the student council killing and how the 77th class fell into despair, the only thing I didn't expect was the future characters and Chiaki. I was genuinely surprised they dedicated two whole episodes towards the cast in the begin and I'm glad they did. I thought all the characters did in fact stay in character? Seeing Junko in this anime made me actually like her character even more, we didn't even get to see much of her in the past - I think her character was on point. Well the only exception would be Chiaki of course but that's understandable, a human and an AI is different. I understand your annoyances about Chiaki though, I never saw it in that light, Chiaki really was overly obsessed about Hajime for no fucking point, that's actually kind of bad now that I think about it. That her guilt-tripping her whole class to charge towards two KNOWN DANGERS INDIVIDUALS in order to save her teacher (who very much didn't wanted to keep her class saved! Thank you very much!) who be portrayed as the deliberate self-delusion it was? But noooo. It's just 'cause Junko is Evil!!! Precious Cinnamon Roll Chiaki did nothing wrong. uwu Well if you think about it 15 talented people including the likes of Peko, Nekomaru and Akane vs 2 people Chiaki knows nothing about? Sure, they are dangerous but I mean come on 15 against those 2 would seem quite easy in her perspective. And it would be even better if the purpose of DR2 isn't implied to have been some random Waifu x Waifu showdown between Junko and Chiaki, thus again undermining the agency of the 77th class. And more impossible retconning, like Izuru somehow making the Chiaki AI for his Junko x Chiaki AI showdown despite the fact that Chiaki AI implies she's made by Chihiro Fujisaki, that she and Monomi are connected, and both were in there as part of the original game programming to monitor the Despair students. Izuru didn't make Chiaki AI, it was already said Edit:Alter Ego did it. There could be numerous reasons for Izuru's involvement, but the fact is we know he was involved and Alter Ego made the AI. That's all. Now don't get me wrong I understand your reasonings for disliking the series, but I was quoting you on the characters and the article. There was nothing wrong with the characters except for Chiaki which you pointed out - the more I think about it, the more I know she wasn't written very well - just despair bait for the viewers, which still caught me and many other people so I suppose job well done? Also, the Komaeda thing, it was just fan service mixed with backstory for the future characters. You can also say that for episode 1, 2, 3, etc. (most non important episodes that we already know everything of) Most episodes didn't really progress the plot because we already knew everything. I agree with you on the Komaeda missing for a year then lol know everything about Junko, location, everything, etc. No explanation for that was terrible. |
RukoudioraSep 25, 2016 2:21 AM
| @currycurry currycurry said: And more impossible retconning, like Izuru somehow making the Chiaki AI for his Junko x Chiaki AI showdown despite the fact that Chiaki AI implies she's made by Chihiro Fujisaki, that she and Monomi are connected, and both were in there as part of the original game programming to monitor the Despair students. NO, FFS, Why does everybody get that part wrong? *sigh*, sorry for my burst of rage there...But no, she doesn't imply that she was created by Chihiro, she implied that she was created by Alter Ego, you know, the one that manages the whole program and can create shit on command, All those times where Chiaki and Monomi talked about a dad or something, they were most likety talking about Alter Ego...As for being part of the original program, you can't prove that...Please look at this:  Notice the sentence "For this session", which means that the program was not always like this, it was programmed that way for that particular session with the Remnant of Despair (by Naegi and the others or course), and that can be interpreted this way: Nor Chihiro and the others involved with the program didn't made it like that by default and AI Chiaki most likely didn't have anything to do with their original program, which also means that she was most likely added by someone there recently, and that someone is strongly implied to be Izuru... Now lets have a little analysis on the situasion... First, Chiaki and AI Chiaki clearly have slightly different personalities, the voice and the way they speak are different too...If Chihiro had know Chiaki, woudn't it make more sense for her to had made a more accurate version of Chiaki? Why are the two Chiaki's different? Clearly because the one who made the AI had little details about her...That fits Izuru... Second, even if Chihiro met Chiaki, why the heck would she include her AI, the one of a freaking gamer, into a therapy program? And why would the others invlved in the program's creation even allow that? (don't forget that when the project started, an apocalypse caused by a bunch of teenagers was the furthest thing from their mind)... So seriously, is not the stuff DR3 showed that don't connect, is that fucking idea that Chihiro have anything with Chiaki that never connected in the first place, it even worse because the idea itself comes from hints of the game that were misinterpreted (I'll say it again one final time, the person Chiaki and Monomi were refering too were, more likely, Alter Ego)...Unless they manage to confirm the Chihiro theory with the remaining episodes of DR3, though I don't think they will be tackling any more details about DR2 again... It also seems that a very big part of your issues with the anime is that you are not very fond of Chiaki, at least not as fond as most people... |
HyperLSep 24, 2016 4:00 PM
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HyperL said: @currycurry currycurry said: And more impossible retconning, like Izuru somehow making the Chiaki AI for his Junko x Chiaki AI showdown despite the fact that Chiaki AI implies she's made by Chihiro Fujisaki, that she and Monomi are connected, and both were in there as part of the original game programming to monitor the Despair students. NO, FFS, Why does everybody get that part wrong? *sigh*, sorry for my burst of rage there Come. I shall hug you.Can definitely feel your pain. |
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AmyTwo said: HyperL said: @currycurry NO, FFS, Why does everybody get that part wrong? *sigh*, sorry for my burst of rage there Come. I shall hug you.Can definitely feel your pain. I shall accept your virtual hug my fellow virtual friend...Thanks... |
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| whoa the finale was real good |
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| *rewatching with subs* GAAAH Jin Kirigiri gonna be dead soon! Did izuru says "memes"? I don't understand how memes can relate and lead people to despair. So the 78th class were locking inside to protect themselves from those mess "parade". But in the end the reserve course students watched the last brainwash video from junko and they really did suicide. Damn that was creepy. And both ironically junko had erased 78th class memories and then they hardly tried to go outside instead. So Komaeda's luck is predictable, beside Naegi's luck is hard to predict. I don't get this. Tobi said: I'm a little disappointed that they didn't show how the remnants of despair got captured. I wonder if the previous cast of Danganronpa ronpa (1 and 2) are going to be referenced in V3? I hope Junko isn't the only one referenced! It's impossible to fit that scene, but it might slightly showed in hope side arc. If they do, they should show dr0 scenes too. |
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HyperL said: @currycurry currycurry said: ... NO, FFS, Why does everybody get that part wrong? *sigh*, sorry for my burst of rage there...But no, she doesn't imply that she was created by Chihiro, she implied that she was created by Alter Ego, you know, the one that manages the whole program and can create shit on command, All those times where Chiaki and Monomi talked about a dad or something, they were most likety talking about Alter Ego...As for being part of the original program, you can't prove that...Please look at this: Notice the sentence "For this session", which means that the program was not always like this, it was programmed that way for that particular session with the Remnant of Despair (by Naegi and the others or course), and that can be interpreted this way: Nor Chihiro and the others involved with the program didn't made it like that by default and AI Chiaki most likely didn't have anything to do with their original program, which also means that she was most likely added by someone there recently, and that someone is strongly implied to be Izuru... Now lets have a little analysis on the situasion... First, Chiaki and AI Chiaki clearly have slightly different personalities, the voice and the way they speak are different too...If Chihiro had know Chiaki, woudn't it make more sense for her to had made a more accurate version of Chiaki? Why are the two Chiaki's different? Clearly because the one who made the AI had little details about her...That fits Izuru... Second, even if Chihiro met Chiaki, why the heck would she include her AI, the one of a freaking gamer, into a therapy program? And why would the others invlved in the program's creation even allow that? (don't forget that when the project started, an apocalypse caused by a bunch of teenagers was the furthest thing from their mind)... So seriously, is not the stuff DR3 showed that don't connect, is that fucking idea that Chihiro have anything with Chiaki that never connected in the first place, it even worse because the idea itself comes from hints of the game that were misinterpreted (I'll say it again one final time, the person Chiaki and Monomi were refering too were, more likely, Alter Ego)...Unless they manage to confirm the Chihiro theory with the remaining episodes of DR3, though I don't think they will be tackling any more details about DR2 again... It also seems that a very big part of your issues with the anime is that you are not very fond of Chiaki, at least not as fond as most people... Er. Did you not do Chiaki's Free Time Events? She mentions her Dad and Brother. If Alter Ego made her, who's supposed to be her brother? It makes much more sense that the "Dad" is Chihiro Fujisaki, therefore the brother is Alter Ego. DR3 skips over the creation of the Neo World Program entirely, so what's actually 100% true is unclear. This is one of many problems the Despair Arc has - showing us events we never needed to see in detail, rehashing stuff we already know, and never expanding things in the lore that would actually be useful to know. But the direction of episode 11 - Izuru wanting to see "hope" (aka Chiaki) vs. "despair" (aka Junko) implies very strongly he made the Chiaki AI to ensure this battle. But this doesn't make any sense? And doesn't line up with the above canon? So it's a pointless retcon just so Izuru has a motivation that involves Chiaki. Argh. I'm actually very fond of DR2 Chiaki. it's DR3 Chiaki who I can't stand - like I said, she's a Mary Sue. It's not so much her personality as how her presence affects the focus and writing of the entire anime. Just look at how literally every character she ever interacts with has to find her fascinating or be obsessed with her or motivated by her or w h a t e v e r. It's terrible writing. |
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taynis said: FUNANIMATION DELAYED ALL THE THREE LAST EPISODES! D: Watching the raws then... Argh Sakakura...Enoshima Junko and innocent on the same phrase is just too wrong XD Chisa talking to the other despair students, everything going down and those flowers for Chiaki, man, that was so disturbing D: DESPAIR SCHOOL FOR YOUR DESPAIR TEENAGERS YAY! So, Izuru didn't really bought Junko's despair. KIZAKURAAAAA *tips fedora intensively* Always knew that those Monokuma theathers were eviiiil! XD (I like this because now it seems like Junko was trying to brainwash us too lol) IT'S RAINING MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! Literally. (Sorry, bad taste joke here) Dr1 cast ç-ç Kirigiriiiiii ç-ç Yep, Izuru went to NWP to see what was better: hope or despair. Chiakiii ç-ç MY QUESTIONS IS: THEY SKIPPED DR0 THEN, RIGHT? Really weird tho because it seems it all went into a straight line, so a time skip don't really fit @-@ Countdown for Hope side on the website: http://www.nbcuni.co.jp/anime/danganronpa3/ (I'm hyped, Munakata, Naegi and Hinata will finally form the dead waifu club) DR0 was just basically Junko testing out how far and effective a fake Junko and a memory wipe can last. It was just an OVA if it was animated. |
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| It was a good finale. Izuru was never a despair;I can't believe that other MAL user called it three episodes ago. The other ultimates from the 76th class were slaughtered and never got a chance to become despair. Damn it sucks to be them. Sakakura ruined everything lmao but the fangays doesn't want to admit it after Kodaka managed to brainwash the fans to make them believe he was a hero lol Also I never knew Junko's jokes about loving Naegi was actually not a joke. She actually has a "I hate him but I love him" relation with Naegi. So Junko knowing that Mukuro liked Naegi wasn't just because she was her sister and she has Ultimate Analyst ability but it's because she liked Naegi as well. Naegi truly is lucky/unlucky. He's got SHSL/Ultimate Harem which is canon. Too bad everyone in his harem is dead except Asahina who is the most recent in his harem. MAL has the worst DR fandom it seems. They keep hating on really well-developed characters 'cause they want a more passive or emotionless waifu character. Fuckng Remnants of Despairs in the fandom. |
DarkwindJRSep 25, 2016 6:24 AM
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DarkwindJR said: It was a good finale. Izuru was never a despair;I can't believe that other MAL user called it three episodes ago. The other ultimates from the 76th class were slaughtered and never got a chance to become despair. Damn it sucks to be them. Sakakura ruined everything lmao but the fangays doesn't want to admit it after Kodaka managed to brainwash the fans to make them believe he was a hero lol Also I never knew Junko's jokes about loving Naegi was actually not a joke. She actually has a "I hate him but I love him" relation with Naegi. So Junko knowing that Mukuro liked Naegi wasn't just because she was her sister and she has Ultimate Analyst ability but it's because she liked Naegi as well. Naegi truly is lucky/unlucky. He's got SHSL/Ultimate Harem which is canon. Too bad everyone in his harem is dead except Asahina who is the most recent in his harem. MAL has the worst DR fandom it seems. They keep hating on really well-developed characters 'cause they want a more passive or emotionless waifu character. Fuckng Remnants of Despairs in the fandom. Hey, it's true that Sakakura allowed shit to happen, but at least he fucking regrets it, and deeply...You can feel his level of regret in this episode and that explain why he is so eager to follow Munakata's orders and kill everyone in Mirai-hen, and why he feels jealousy towards Makoto too...Yes, he's a asshole, but not a terribly written character, which allows people to at least understand him a little... |
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currycurry said: HyperL said: @currycurry NO, FFS, Why does everybody get that part wrong? *sigh*, sorry for my burst of rage there...But no, she doesn't imply that she was created by Chihiro, she implied that she was created by Alter Ego, you know, the one that manages the whole program and can create shit on command, All those times where Chiaki and Monomi talked about a dad or something, they were most likety talking about Alter Ego...As for being part of the original program, you can't prove that...Please look at this: Notice the sentence "For this session", which means that the program was not always like this, it was programmed that way for that particular session with the Remnant of Despair (by Naegi and the others or course), and that can be interpreted this way: Nor Chihiro and the others involved with the program didn't made it like that by default and AI Chiaki most likely didn't have anything to do with their original program, which also means that she was most likely added by someone there recently, and that someone is strongly implied to be Izuru... Now lets have a little analysis on the situasion... First, Chiaki and AI Chiaki clearly have slightly different personalities, the voice and the way they speak are different too...If Chihiro had know Chiaki, woudn't it make more sense for her to had made a more accurate version of Chiaki? Why are the two Chiaki's different? Clearly because the one who made the AI had little details about her...That fits Izuru... Second, even if Chihiro met Chiaki, why the heck would she include her AI, the one of a freaking gamer, into a therapy program? And why would the others invlved in the program's creation even allow that? (don't forget that when the project started, an apocalypse caused by a bunch of teenagers was the furthest thing from their mind)... So seriously, is not the stuff DR3 showed that don't connect, is that fucking idea that Chihiro have anything with Chiaki that never connected in the first place, it even worse because the idea itself comes from hints of the game that were misinterpreted (I'll say it again one final time, the person Chiaki and Monomi were refering too were, more likely, Alter Ego)...Unless they manage to confirm the Chihiro theory with the remaining episodes of DR3, though I don't think they will be tackling any more details about DR2 again... It also seems that a very big part of your issues with the anime is that you are not very fond of Chiaki, at least not as fond as most people... Er. Did you not do Chiaki's Free Time Events? She mentions her Dad and Brother. If Alter Ego made her, who's supposed to be her brother? It makes much more sense that the "Dad" is Chihiro Fujisaki, therefore the brother is Alter Ego. DR3 skips over the creation of the Neo World Program entirely, so what's actually 100% true is unclear. This is one of many problems the Despair Arc has - showing us events we never needed to see in detail, rehashing stuff we already know, and never expanding things in the lore that would actually be useful to know. But the direction of episode 11 - Izuru wanting to see "hope" (aka Chiaki) vs. "despair" (aka Junko) implies very strongly he made the Chiaki AI to ensure this battle. But this doesn't make any sense? And doesn't line up with the above canon? So it's a pointless retcon just so Izuru has a motivation that involves Chiaki. Argh. I'm actually very fond of DR2 Chiaki. it's DR3 Chiaki who I can't stand - like I said, she's a Mary Sue. It's not so much her personality as how her presence affects the focus and writing of the entire anime. Just look at how literally every character she ever interacts with has to find her fascinating or be obsessed with her or motivated by her or w h a t e v e r. It's terrible writing. Well, its not like they adore her for nothing, she really helped everybody...She glued the 77th class together, gave Hajime some support and and of course, she never gave up hope...Its no wonder that people came to like her, and why she was chosen as the sacrifice... Just let me confirm something...The reason you dislike Chiaki is because she is a Mary Sue right? If so, than the concept of Mary Sue or Gary Stu is always a bad thing for you? |
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| but weren't the students of the 78th class supposed to spend a schoolyear together? that's what was said in the animation, they had photo's of them spending time in a classroom the schoolyard playing with snow and in the pool swimming together but that didn't seem to have happened now because they were already shutting down the school and stuff... besides why was nanami (or whatever she is called) alive and hinata back to normal in the end? |
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yonaaofthedawn said: but weren't the students of the 78th class supposed to spend a schoolyear together? that's what was said in the animation, they had photo's of them spending time in a classroom the schoolyard playing with snow and in the pool swimming together but that didn't seem to have happened now because they were already shutting down the school and stuff... besides why was nanami (or whatever she is called) alive and hinata back to normal in the end? And that's exactly what happened... Between the episode when Junko arrived and this last episode, an entire year passed... Danganronpa Zero happened between episode 10 and 11... And the epilogue showed a part of Danganronpa 2...In DR2 the 77th class (the ones that were brainwashed) were put into a virtual reality with their memories of the school erased (meaning their brainwash was undone and Hajime returned to his normal state) , the Chiaki in the virtual reality is an AI (just like Chihiro's AI, Alter Ego)... To summarise, Naegi (that was already part of the Future Foundation at that time), found the 77th class and put them in the virtual reality program without the rest of the FF knowing (the rest of FF wanted to kill them no matter what, but Naegi was against that idea), but everything fell apart because Izuru uploaded an Junko AI into the program without anyone noticing, and her AI forced the 77th class to parcitipate in a killing game (just like DR1)...Why did Izuru do that? As said in this last episode, he wanted to test what was more unpredictable, Hope or Despair, so he uploaded AI Junko (representing Despair) and it's strongly implied that he uploaded AI Chiaki (representing Hope) as well... |
HyperLSep 25, 2016 9:41 AM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
HyperL said: DarkwindJR said: It was a good finale. Izuru was never a despair;I can't believe that other MAL user called it three episodes ago. The other ultimates from the 76th class were slaughtered and never got a chance to become despair. Damn it sucks to be them. Sakakura ruined everything lmao but the fangays doesn't want to admit it after Kodaka managed to brainwash the fans to make them believe he was a hero lol Also I never knew Junko's jokes about loving Naegi was actually not a joke. She actually has a "I hate him but I love him" relation with Naegi. So Junko knowing that Mukuro liked Naegi wasn't just because she was her sister and she has Ultimate Analyst ability but it's because she liked Naegi as well. Naegi truly is lucky/unlucky. He's got SHSL/Ultimate Harem which is canon. Too bad everyone in his harem is dead except Asahina who is the most recent in his harem. MAL has the worst DR fandom it seems. They keep hating on really well-developed characters 'cause they want a more passive or emotionless waifu character. Fuckng Remnants of Despairs in the fandom. Hey, it's true that Sakakura allowed shit to happen, but at least he fucking regrets it, and deeply...You can feel his level of regret in this episode and that explain why he is so eager to follow Munakata's orders and kill everyone in Mirai-hen, and why he feels jealousy towards Makoto too...Yes, he's a asshole, but not a terribly written character, which allows people to at least understand him a little... Yes, without a doubt, Sakakura is a well-written character but the fandom proclaiming him a hero just shows how much gullible they are. He didn't actually came to save Naegi, he was there to kill him with his own hands but he failed to do so and actually saved Naegi by mistake. When he turned off the power, everyone else had just woken up so Munakata could have done what he had done after their talks. |
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| @DarkwindJR Yeah, I know. It was kinda weird since they didn't even put a hint that a time skip happened (just one scene, or something). But, I noticed that Junko is using her DR0 outfit :) I still think Sakakura is a dick. He had his reasons and all, I cried when he died because I'm a sissy buuut, he did some really bad things anyway XD |
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| The ending did not induce despair from me... The previous episodes were quite despair inducing especially to wait another week for the next episode but this ending... It did not live up to my expectations... Junko I'm disappointed in you. Despairingly disappointed... |
taynis said: @DarkwindJR Yeah, I know. It was kinda weird since they didn't even put a hint that a time skip happened (just one scene, or something). But, I noticed that Junko is using her DR0 outfit :) I still think Sakakura is a dick. He had his reasons and all, I cried when he died because I'm a sissy buuut, he did some really bad things anyway XD The series kind of time skips in months in every episode so they probably thought we would understand. I think DR0 happened at beginning of this episode when Sakakura and Chisa vouched for Junko's innocence and Junko watching from the Reserve Course building with Hajime probably was recently after the events of DR0. There were at least three timeskips in this episode alone. You're right. Juzo still caused billions of people to die because of his lie even though he knows what Junko was capable of and him beating up Hajime sped things up by a lot. |
DarkwindJRSep 25, 2016 11:22 AM
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BaconKingpin said: I'm still wondering how the fucking government was killed off lol they should've just nuked the place. Peko and Fuyuhiko infiltrated the Senate and kill all the politicians. Sonia did that too in all the other places with her army. |
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| Not a really good ending. Poor Munakata though. Still give it 8/10 after all for the ride. |
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DarkwindJR said: BaconKingpin said: I'm still wondering how the fucking government was killed off lol they should've just nuked the place. Peko and Fuyuhiko infiltrated the Senate and kill all the politicians. Sonia did that too in all the other places with her army. If the entire world couldn't withstand horseplay from sixteen deluded, frolic highschool students under the shoes of a psychopathic narcissist with an obsessive compulsive sister, then it probably did deserve the tragedy. |
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HyperL said: yonaaofthedawn said: but weren't the students of the 78th class supposed to spend a schoolyear together? that's what was said in the animation, they had photo's of them spending time in a classroom the schoolyard playing with snow and in the pool swimming together but that didn't seem to have happened now because they were already shutting down the school and stuff... besides why was nanami (or whatever she is called) alive and hinata back to normal in the end? And that's exactly what happened... Between the episode when Junko arrived and this last episode, an entire year passed... Danganronpa Zero happened between episode 10 and 11... And the epilogue showed a part of Danganronpa 2...In DR2 the 77th class (the ones that were brainwashed) were put into a virtual reality with their memories of the school erased (meaning their brainwash was undone and Hajime returned to his normal state) , the Chiaki in the virtual reality is an AI (just like Chihiro's AI, Alter Ego)... To summarise, Naegi (that was already part of the Future Foundation at that time), found the 77th class and put them in the virtual reality program without the rest of the FF knowing (the rest of FF wanted to kill them no matter what, but Naegi was against that idea), but everything fell apart because Izuru uploaded an Junko AI into the program without anyone noticing, and her AI forced the 77th class to parcitipate in a killing game (just like DR1)...Why did Izuru do that? As said in this last episode, he wanted to test what was more unpredictable, Hope or Despair, so he uploaded AI Junko (representing Despair) and it's strongly implied that he uploaded AI Chiaki (representing Hope) as well... wow seriously? I didn't know that much time has passed thanks a million |
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| Nie episode. And now, maybe its time to rewatch the first anime adaption of danganronpa, only to remember what happened (I remember a little of it). |
| I only have two problems with this anime. One is Junko, where she didn't always frequently change her personality due to being THAT bored with the world. She did it a decent number of times, but I wish she always did that, and she pretty much only changed to two or three of them. That's a minor problem, though.I suppose it would've gotten to difficult or, well, annoying. The second problem I have is that, well, I was confused as to certain events that already had passed. Like, Yasuke, one of Junko's closest friends, appeared at episode 8 as a cameo. I had absolutely NO idea that they were already finished with Danganronpa/Zero until I had the feeling when Junko said she already erased their memories, and nearly confirmed myself after I've seen Junko and Mukuro sealing themselves inside. I wish they would at least mention that, but they did not. They didn't even mention him with such a relation ship to Junko in anyway. I knew that this is for the Danganronpa fans in order to patch things up, but you really gotta pay attention to detail along with being quite familiar with pretty much everything that went on canon-wise, else you'll be rather confused. Still enjoyed this overall, but yeah. |
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| Well, I'm not even going to bother rating this part until I see Danganronpa 3 all the way through, Despair's been so tied in with the Future arc and obviously the Hope arc is going to be a big deal, it doesn't feel fair to just rate this on it's own. Had I done that though, I'm not sure how high I'd give it because these last two episodes, have not worked well for me. And yes, the brainwashing method wouldn't have been my preferred route, but no my dissatisfaction doesn't really stem from there, at least not completely. I already missed my chance to rant about the brainwashing scene from last episode and quite frankly I don't want to invest too much time into this post so I'll just talk about the finale directly. I don't get it. I don't understand how the Chiaki brainwashing torture session lead to the class happily boosting about there dreams while still be infected by Despair. I fine with them being turned into Despair via brainwashing, especially when the method still had a touch more emotional connection with Chiaki's death, but that scene kind undercuts the tragedy of the situation plunging it into straight camp. And don't get me wrong, I love that Danganronpa is cartoonish in that sense but while the scenarios were often high concept silliness, it always managed to retain the emotional impact from a character & dramatic standpoint at least, but here it failed to convey that but maybe that's also because that scene failed to connect to the Remnants of Despair presented to us earlier. How'd they go from this happy, follow my dreams cause despair mood to the fervently obsessed with Junko Remnants we saw in the second game. The transition from the brainwashing sequence in episode 10 to that function makes sense but it just gets muddled when you interject that goodbye class scene. I suppose they mostly did that to give everyone a final moment but I'd rather they just truncated it or did something else. Make it more eerie, or maybe strip them more of their base personality/talent goals, I mean if you're going the brainwashing route. The rest of the episode I liked for the most part. Loved Izuru, the scene of Junko testing Makoto's luck, and of course seeing some of Danganronpa 2 animated, since I guess if I'm being honest, my love for the franchise basically stems from that one game. Kinda hoping that if Danganronpa 3 proves to be a big success we'll get a full adaption of it, hopefully two-cours at least (Danganronpa 3 practically got that). Of course that's almost definitely will never happen, and even with my personal disappointment with the Despair arc (the Future arc has stumbled once or twice but has been mostly improving with each installment), I'm still glad we got Danganronpa 3 instead of 2 animated but I'd still watch a Danganronpa 2 anime even if it came out ten years later. Anyway, Despair arc as a whole was pretty lopsided but I enjoyed the vast majority of it a lot so I imagine it'll get a good score from me when all is said and done. |
DarkwindJR said: The series kind of time skips in months in every episode so they probably thought we would understand. I think DR0 happened at beginning of this episode when Sakakura and Chisa vouched for Junko's innocence and Junko watching from the Reserve Course building with Hajime probably was recently after the events of DR0. There were at least three timeskips in this episode alone. I have to disagree on the times. In episode 7 the Student Council mutual killing happened, so I believe episode 8 was the start of DR0. Junko was the person who "found" the crime scene first and so she was throughly interrogated, so then Matsuda enters the scene and alters Junko´s brain. That is why we see a cameo of him in that episode. Junko´s purpose of the tragedy of Kibougamine was also to have a chance to investigate Matsuda´s memory altering techniques. In episode 9, when Chisa is resisting the brainwashing, Mukuro reads a small notebook and then proceeds with the needles. That notebook is most likely one of Ryouko´s, that had Matsuda´s tecniques described in it. Then, in episode 10, after killing Nanami and sending the 77th class into despair, she says they will be like her, rejoicing in the despair of losing someone you love. As I mentioned before, by this time she had already killed Matsuda. The other possible hint of DR0 starting in episode 8 is when Tsumiki massages Junko´s legs. As I also said before, Ryoko was being chased by Madarai and ran a lot. That is mostly about what I could gather about the times. The only thing that confuses me is the monobear´s class and the Monobear Maiden. They seem to be Chisa and the class, but when this happened, Matsuda was still alive and the kids haven´t fallen yet into despair. I have many things to attach, but i´m sleepy. Feel free to correct me. |
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