| If say, you watched an anime and you thought the first arc was good (maybe a 9 or a 10), but the second arc was trash (a 3 or a 4), and maybe there's also a filler arc (you give this a 1). How do you rate anime/manga whose quality changes so drastically over a long period of time? Take the weighted average of the scores based on arc-episode length and rate it as a whole? |
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| I just dont rate anything above 100 eps, but i guess if someone insists on rating, the method you mentioned would be the best. |
 Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| I just rate them based on my enjoyment till the end.... If the fillers kills my enjoyment the end , then it'll also kill my scores there.. No mercy. |
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| It depends, if the mangaka totally missed only a couple of chapters, rushed ending or the manga went downhill and never recovered. Usually the minus on the score can be from a -1 to a -3 for me. |
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| I average that shit. Or if an overall bad anime has a really good arc, I add 1-2 scores. Similarly, if an overall good anime has a really shitty arc, I deduct 1-2 scores. |
| So like Bleach then? Average it out and give it a rating based on that. Bleach started off enjoyable but consistently grew worse after the Soul Society arc. I couldn't even finish the last arc, it was so bad. Ended up dropping it before it ended and gave it a 4. |
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| I've never looked at individual arcs like that, it's more that I have a score in mind that represents what I'm thinking of the overall show and how much I like it. I also never encountered such drastic variation like OP described. Even if it's a filler arc that I find bad it should still have the same characters that I like in the show so it'll be more like a 4 or 5 at worst since it still has enjoyable elements. Good filler arcs can actually be a plus (some of the later filler arcs in Shippuuden for example). If I feel like I'm generally enjoying an anime less and less over time (Fairy Tail, Bleach) I'll slowly lower the rating depending on how long it goes on like that. But not drastically all at once. If the show started as a solid 8/10 for the first 50 episodes and then goes down to like 5 or 6/10 I'll take 8 as the base and for every 30 or 50 episodes where it lurks around the 5-6 level I'll lower the score by one while I'm watching it. If it recovers it might go up in a similar way, if it doesn't the score will eventually become a 5 or 6 and unless the anime declines further will stay like that. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| so tired, I've jst dropped one piece. |
The world is cruel, ugly and pitiful. Let's watch anime and make it colorful |
| Usually I don't feel like arcs are all that different in quality? Like the only long-running shows I've watched are Gintama and Jojo, but both are mostly split up in seasons. And Gintama seasons have been pretty consistent. I'd regard it as a whole; how much did it reduce my enjoyment, how long was the bad part... It all really depends. I just rate it on how I remember the show at the end normally though |
MortalMelancholy said: (imagine this post is a 4080p version of troll face saying "you mad?")maybe there's also a filler arc (you give this a 1). |
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| Simple. I don't rate them. They belong in the same unjudged system as anime tie in shorts. |
Thats immensely interesting, what did you eat for breakfast? Do you have a blog i can follow? |
| Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| hah actually my favorite one was getting better as the episode going on, so I give a 10 score, for the other one like naruto bleach one piece fairy failed I just dropped it, and give random score (<=6), except gintama 8.. |
| “You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.” |
| I'll lower the score, obviously. Depending on how good the anime was at its peak and how much it sucked at its worst. But I generally value the good parts stronger than the bad parts. |
Pullman said: I've never looked at individual arcs like that, it's more that I have a score in mind that represents what I'm thinking of the overall show and how much I like it. I also never encountered such drastic variation like OP described. Even if it's a filler arc that I find bad it should still have the same characters that I like in the show so it'll be more like a 4 or 5 at worst since it still has enjoyable elements. Good filler arcs can actually be a plus (some of the later filler arcs in Shippuuden for example). If I feel like I'm generally enjoying an anime less and less over time (Fairy Tail, Bleach) I'll slowly lower the rating depending on how long it goes on like that. But not drastically all at once. If the show started as a solid 8/10 for the first 50 episodes and then goes down to like 5 or 6/10 I'll take 8 as the base and for every 30 or 50 episodes where it lurks around the 5-6 level I'll lower the score by one while I'm watching it. If it recovers it might go up in a similar way, if it doesn't the score will eventually become a 5 or 6 and unless the anime declines further will stay like that. Like the second half of SAO (bear with me, guys). I mean, the first half was pretty average, but the second half brought in some elf-tentacle-fantasy-creepiness among other things, with a bland plot that may as well have ripped off Super Mario (and added some tentacles n' stuff). Or like the Chimera Ant arc of HxH, or Bleach after the soul society arc; most major long-running anime (especially shounen) tends to have major ups and downs. A lot of the time, it's like the story's basically over, but they want to extend it because of initial success, and just end up making garbage. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Pullman said: I've never looked at individual arcs like that, it's more that I have a score in mind that represents what I'm thinking of the overall show and how much I like it. I also never encountered such drastic variation like OP described. Even if it's a filler arc that I find bad it should still have the same characters that I like in the show so it'll be more like a 4 or 5 at worst since it still has enjoyable elements. Good filler arcs can actually be a plus (some of the later filler arcs in Shippuuden for example). If I feel like I'm generally enjoying an anime less and less over time (Fairy Tail, Bleach) I'll slowly lower the rating depending on how long it goes on like that. But not drastically all at once. If the show started as a solid 8/10 for the first 50 episodes and then goes down to like 5 or 6/10 I'll take 8 as the base and for every 30 or 50 episodes where it lurks around the 5-6 level I'll lower the score by one while I'm watching it. If it recovers it might go up in a similar way, if it doesn't the score will eventually become a 5 or 6 and unless the anime declines further will stay like that. Like the second half of SAO (bear with me, guys). I mean, the first half was pretty average, but the second half brought in some elf-tentacle-fantasy-creepiness among other things, with a bland plot that may as well have ripped off Super Mario (and added some tentacles n' stuff). Or like the Chimera Ant arc of HxH, or Bleach after the soul society arc; most major long-running anime (especially shounen) tends to have major ups and downs. A lot of the time, it's like the story's basically over, but they want to extend it because of initial success, and just end up making garbage. I'm confused why did you quote my post in particular for that response? Chimera Ant arc is the reason why I bumped HxH from a 9 to 10. Also a lot of battle shounen don't have a specific main story so I don't see how the 'story is basically over' at any point. They're more about the adventures and encounters of the main character/cast. Especially HxH and One Piece but also Fairy Tail, Bleach, Dragon Ball etc... That's the beauty of these long-runners, they can theoretically continue almost endlessly as long as they stay successful by pleasing their fans. If you don't like that then most long-runners just aren't for you. Naturally the arcs won't all be the same quality and some shows will be more consistent than others but to me they're usually somewhat consistent and just occasionally slowly decline, but rarely drop off completely from one episode to the other. |
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Dishonest said: I really deslike one piece now, the story is getting nowhere , waste of time. Thats immensely interesting, what did you eat for breakfast? Do you have a blog i can follow? For now, no Blog yet :D ehhehe |
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| @Pullman I quoted the wrong thing, kinda tired lol It's not really like the plot gets worse; rather, everything, from details to animation quality, to pacing, to screenwriting, gets worse. I think the chimera ant arc was nearing the end of the published manga chapters, so it really tried to drag the story out. And it did s by really spamming the goddam narrator for useless explanations that nobody wanted, and it took the time required to spam the narrations out of actually animating the story. |
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Luuji222 said: Dishonest said: I really deslike one piece now, the story is getting nowhere , waste of time. Thats immensely interesting, what did you eat for breakfast? Do you have a blog i can follow? For now, no Blog yet :D ehhehe Haha, you watched 740 eps and rated it a 2 XD I mean if I were to drop it I would do it before the Fishman Island Arc? |
| Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| Well as soon as the anime reaches a point where there are way too many flaws (and I notice them), I immediately drop its score to a 7 or below. Of course I will take into consideration the parts (in this case the arc) I enjoy and give it a higher score than what I normally would to a shitty anime throughout the series. I believe most of time these anime falls between the 5-7 range. EDIT: Oh, just noticed this is my 100th post lol. |
MrTralalaSep 23, 2016 7:05 AM
MortalMelancholy said: @Pullman I quoted the wrong thing, kinda tired lol It's not really like the plot gets worse; rather, everything, from details to animation quality, to pacing, to screenwriting, gets worse. I think the chimera ant arc was nearing the end of the published manga chapters, so it really tried to drag the story out. And it did s by really spamming the goddam narrator for useless explanations that nobody wanted, and it took the time required to spam the narrations out of actually animating the story. I really don't think you can say that about Togashi. The guy doesn't write unless he wants to and is enjoying it. He forced the decision to end Yu Yu Hakusho on the editorial staff because he didn't enjoy working on it anymore towards the end. He's not the guy who drags out things just for the sake of i success. On the contrary, his inconsitent publishing schedules and long hiatuses are everything an editor or publisher who wants to mil a franchise would never want. It's almost the opposite of what you're suggesting. Just because you arrogantly think 'nobody' liked the chimera ant arc or the narrator doesn't make any of it true. I already mentioned it's my favorite arc and many others feel the same. |
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Pullman said: MortalMelancholy said: @Pullman I quoted the wrong thing, kinda tired lol It's not really like the plot gets worse; rather, everything, from details to animation quality, to pacing, to screenwriting, gets worse. I think the chimera ant arc was nearing the end of the published manga chapters, so it really tried to drag the story out. And it did s by really spamming the goddam narrator for useless explanations that nobody wanted, and it took the time required to spam the narrations out of actually animating the story. I really don't think you can say that about Togashi. The guy doesn't write unless he wants to and is enjoying it. He forced the decision to end Yu Yu Hakusho on the editorial staff because he didn't enjoy working on it anymore towards the end. He's not the guy who drags out things just for the sake of i success. On the contrary, his inconsitent publishing schedules and long hiatuses are everything an editor or publisher who wants to mil a franchise would never want. It's almost the opposite of what you're suggesting. Just because you arrogantly think 'nobody' liked the chimera ant arc or the narrator doesn't make any of it true. I already mentioned it's my favorite arc and many others feel the same. Funny enough , the narrator was one of my favourite characters ( if we can call him that ) . Though it is okay if someone didn't like the chimera arc ( oviously) , since togashi wrote diffrenet arcs , like the "in game " arc which for example was my least favourite arc . |
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| I really liked the voice of the narrator in Chimera Ant and his comments on what each character was thinking and feeling :D but i admit it couldve been faster paced. I agree with Togashi being pretty pedantic in his work, not in the schedule part(sadly) but in portraying his vision exactly as he wants it and not pandering to the crowd. |
SpaghettiSpikeSep 23, 2016 7:18 AM
| Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| While I typically try to avoid long running anime and manga, this is something that occurred on a smaller scale a handful of times. One of the first manga I read, 'Red River' (I can't currently recall what it's Japanese Name was) started out relatively strong, but stagnated early, and then fell apart except for a handful of average-yet-interesting chapters near the end. I ended up rating it a 5, but that was a long time ago, well before I had a MAL account, so I'm running off of faded memories. More recently, I tackled and finished the 39 episode Revolutionary Girl Utena. (Minor spoilers ahead) The first five or so episodes, the middle 'filler' arc with the Black Rose Society, and the last seven episodes were very strong. But everything else...well, the show is occasionally called 'Redundancy Girl Utena' for a reason. Typically, I rate 5 percent of the show based on sound, 10 percent on art/animation, 35 percent on characters, 30 percent on Enjoyment and 20 percent on story. After attempting to give a numerical score over the entire series with this method, it turned out to be a bit too low. I didn't imagine the series deserved a 4.5. So, I made a separate system, which judged each arc on it's own merits for Characters, Story, and Enjoyment, while keeping the music and animation scores consistent throughout. The end result here was a bit on the higher side (6.5), because despite the sludgy repition of the earlier episodes in the third arc, it was made to seem higher in quality by the final seven. Since, this has led me to make slight modifications to both systems, which in turn led me to give Utena an end rating of 5.5 (Rounded up to 6). I've not yet tackled any other longer-then-2-cour series that have dealt with similar quality decay, but FMA (2003), HxH 2011, Pretty Cure, and Cardcaptor Sakura are all coming up for me, and they might give this new system of mine a better test. |
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Dishonest said: I did a marathon before, and because of the comedy I get hooked. but when I see the animation is getting worst every arc, I stick on manga, but the story still not reach the middle of the whole pirate king thing :D,,,and characters keep popping out of nowhere, in short (I realized, its a waste of time :D)Luuji222 said: I really deslike one piece now, the story is getting nowhere , waste of time. For now, no Blog yet :D ehhehe Haha, you watched 740 eps and rated it a 2 XD I mean if I were to drop it I would do it before the Fishman Island Arc? |
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| That depends if the seasons are bifurcated with their own pages or not. If they are, each gets its own score. else on how it ends. If it got so bad it quit/dropped it, its a 1. if it picked up and ended on a high note, well, score it higher. |
hisokathebutcher said: Pullman said: I really don't think you can say that about Togashi. The guy doesn't write unless he wants to and is enjoying it. He forced the decision to end Yu Yu Hakusho on the editorial staff because he didn't enjoy working on it anymore towards the end. He's not the guy who drags out things just for the sake of i success. On the contrary, his inconsitent publishing schedules and long hiatuses are everything an editor or publisher who wants to mil a franchise would never want. It's almost the opposite of what you're suggesting. Just because you arrogantly think 'nobody' liked the chimera ant arc or the narrator doesn't make any of it true. I already mentioned it's my favorite arc and many others feel the same. Funny enough , the narrator was one of my favourite characters ( if we can call him that ) . Though it is okay if someone didn't like the chimera arc ( oviously) , since togashi wrote diffrenet arcs , like the "in game " arc which for example was my least favourite arc . Yeah that's not my favorite arc either (tho I still loved it). One friend of me however calls it his favorite arc of the whole show. I think in HxH every arc has the potential to be someone's favorite, that's how close they are to each other in terms of quality. |
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Pullman said: MortalMelancholy said: @Pullman I quoted the wrong thing, kinda tired lol It's not really like the plot gets worse; rather, everything, from details to animation quality, to pacing, to screenwriting, gets worse. I think the chimera ant arc was nearing the end of the published manga chapters, so it really tried to drag the story out. And it did s by really spamming the goddam narrator for useless explanations that nobody wanted, and it took the time required to spam the narrations out of actually animating the story. I really don't think you can say that about Togashi. The guy doesn't write unless he wants to and is enjoying it. He forced the decision to end Yu Yu Hakusho on the editorial staff because he didn't enjoy working on it anymore towards the end. He's not the guy who drags out things just for the sake of i success. On the contrary, his inconsitent publishing schedules and long hiatuses are everything an editor or publisher who wants to mil a franchise would never want. It's almost the opposite of what you're suggesting. Just because you arrogantly think 'nobody' liked the chimera ant arc or the narrator doesn't make any of it true. I already mentioned it's my favorite arc and many others feel the same. The chimera ant arc significantly dropped in overall quality particularly near the end. Maybe they were trying to wrap up the arc in a specific number of episodes; I'm not well informed on the reasons, but it did get pretty bad at some points. |
MortalMelancholySep 23, 2016 10:58 AM
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| If what you juat said can be applied to Detective Conan... Users will rant about not able to give -x/10 score |
MortalMelancholy said: Pullman said: I really don't think you can say that about Togashi. The guy doesn't write unless he wants to and is enjoying it. He forced the decision to end Yu Yu Hakusho on the editorial staff because he didn't enjoy working on it anymore towards the end. He's not the guy who drags out things just for the sake of i success. On the contrary, his inconsitent publishing schedules and long hiatuses are everything an editor or publisher who wants to mil a franchise would never want. It's almost the opposite of what you're suggesting. Just because you arrogantly think 'nobody' liked the chimera ant arc or the narrator doesn't make any of it true. I already mentioned it's my favorite arc and many others feel the same. The chimera ant arc significantly dropped in overall quality particularly near the end. Maybe they were trying to wrap up the arc in a specific number of episodes; I'm not well informed on the reasons, but it did get pretty bad at some points. Well, I'm not gonna try to hammer the concept of 'it's just your opinion' into your head for a third time since you seem to be clearly immune to that realization. I don't make a point of prolonging conversations with stubborn people like you. Have a good day. |
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Pullman said: MortalMelancholy said: The chimera ant arc significantly dropped in overall quality particularly near the end. Maybe they were trying to wrap up the arc in a specific number of episodes; I'm not well informed on the reasons, but it did get pretty bad at some points. Well, I'm not gonna try to hammer the concept of 'it's just your opinion' into your head for a third time since you seem to be clearly immune to that realization. I don't make a point of prolonging conversations with stubborn people like you. Have a good day. Is that what you were trying to do? Certainly it's my opinion that the way it was done is "bad," but it's undeniable fact that the amount of narration vastly increased, especially during action/fight scenes, cutting time out from said scenes, and that this is a style that was not used for pretty much the entire anime before the end of the Chimera Ant arc. Yes, I'm immune to the idea that someone could like the narrator butting into a fight to state some generic nonsense in a droll, monotone voice, while you seem to hold the opposite opinion. Good day to you too. |
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| If you're really worried about it, just put tags on them explaining your methodology. I think if you're going to rate them, which I'm neither for nor against on a categorical level, and you're worried about how your ratings will be perceived, that's the only solution. Obviously if you have a series in mind where you thought, say, the first half was an 8 or 9, and the second half was a 4 or 5, you should probably give it a 6 or 7. It also depends on how much you want your ratings to reflect your own personal enjoyment vs. judgments on the quality from a more critical perspective. You could delineate that in your list as well. |
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| The ending matters to me, if the ending was good then I'll just take an average or something, but if the ending was bad, rushed, incomplete and very much inconsistent with the development so far then even if the entire series except the final arc was good I'll still give it a very low score. Because if it has arcs then it is long and specially when it comes to manga I've been following for years then it I feel betrayed, I'll definitely rate it very low. If it's still ongoing then I'll just update the score based on how the latest chapter/episode was. Quite the opposite I might still rate it pretty high if something in between wasn't good but the ending still pleased me. |
| I lower the rating to somewhere near the center of the scale. Depending on the ratio of good content to bad that there was in the show if it was mostly good I'd give a 7, if it was mostly bad I'd give it 5, and if it was pretty much equal I'd give it a 6. |
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| The quality must remain different for a long time to make me change my score... |
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| @MortalMelancholy I never watched this animated series but I feel obliged to say that it was probably only the way they choosed to stick to the manga. Because what you are writing about the animation sounds actually to be identical to what I read in the manga. The manga equivalent would have certainly made you even more upset, becoming basically a stack of white pages with minimal strokes to draw the least amount of things possible. |
MortalMelancholy said: If say, you watched an anime and you thought the first arc was good (maybe a 9 or a 10), but the second arc was trash (a 3 or a 4), and maybe there's also a filler arc (you give this a 1). How do you rate anime/manga whose quality changes so drastically over a long period of time? Take the weighted average of the scores based on arc-episode length and rate it as a whole? Drop that shit lmao!!!! |
| It depends on if said arc completely butchers the show or not. For me the prime example has always been Ruroini Kenshin. Great show, one of my favorites, and I would love to give it a high score except that the show continued past the Kyoto arc and nose dived until it hit the pavement. The early filler would not affect the rating because it led into something magical while still providing some value by fleshing out and getting you more attached to the characters. The filler and mini arcs after Kyoto though? Ugh. Drops the rating for the show easily. TL:DR Sure, it affects the score. I'm willing to overlook smaller dips in quality though. |
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| Easy, just don't rate them while their ongoing. Except One Piece, give that a 10 right now. |
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| How do I deal... haha. Hahaha. Hahahaha. Hahahahaha. My 10 to One Piece has been like that since Enies Lobby. It should be lower at this point, after the bunch of really low quality stuff Toei has been consistently bringing for years. But you know, laziness. |
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