Chiibi said: The fact that moe misrepresents woman is enough proof for what it's promoting.Zilf said: you're being nitpicking and asking me to scan everyone's brain into data and show it to you, like what? Generally the portray of woman in anime are misrepresentation. the reason of those "misrepresentation" come from what all this moe stuff promoting. No, I am not asking you to scan everyone's brain for data. What. I'm asking you to link to real life cases that show that moe anime has a bad influence on real life. If you can't do that, then I have a hard time buying that it's true at all. |
CherryLover said: Chiibi said: Forgive me but I don't understand what's "misogynistic" about a cute anime moeblob or a sexy anime girl designed for the target audience to enjoy. Misogyny is the belief that women are inferior to men or that they are hateful or weak. The toxic shit with abusive "romance" like in Twilight and 50 Shades is FAR MORE misogynistic than ANY cute, slice-of-life moe girl anime I've ever bloody seen. As for the "sexy girl harem anime".......criticizing that it "objecifies" women is the same as we women barging into a porn shop's male section and screaming "I'M OFFENDED!!" First, I never brought up 50 Shades, which is fairly misogynist, but that's besides the point. Porn and the like by its nature objectify people (most often women) as merely sex objects. Harem/ecchi anime does the same, to a lesser degree. The idea that some males see women in anime as "cum dumpsters" is an example of this. As long as they don't see women in real life that way, why is it bad? As for moe, the issue is misrepresentation, which I feel I have adequately explained. Why is misrepresentation bad? That's the WHOLE point of fiction/fantasies. And it doesn't make it any less objectifying. But it's like you're saying people aren't allowed to enjoy things that are objectifying? It's the same as saying they aren't allowed to enjoy porn. Really, this is becoming old. Quit derailing the topic by mentioning my favorites. His point is that if you gave K-ON a high rating, that means you support the very thing you claim to be against, "immature moeblob girls". So it doesn't make a lot of sense. |
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Seidou_Takizawa said: @CherryLover If people can differentiate fiction from reality then why should the author be censored? He/she has the right to portray a character in a way he/she sees fitting the story. It's not harming anyone. Erm, I don't know. By actually writing a realistic female character? One that isn't based off the fantasy of the dominant demographic, perhaps? Or is that too much to ask? hoopla123 said: you're being nitpicking and asking me to scan everyone's brain into data and show it to you, like what? Generally the portray of woman in anime are misrepresentation. the reason of those "misrepresentation" come from what all this moe stuff promoting. And you think men are represented properly? It's fiction. Who the fuck cares.[/quote] Men are misrepresented. Typical masculine traits in many characters (esp in Shounen) are further perpetuating the importance of gender roles. Though that is a different topic entirely which I will refrain from delving into to avoid derailment. |
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hoopla123 said: just because it's fiction doesn't mean it can do what ever it wants.you're being nitpicking and asking me to scan everyone's brain into data and show it to you, like what? Generally the portray of woman in anime are misrepresentation. the reason of those "misrepresentation" come from what all this moe stuff promoting. And you think men are represented properly? It's fiction. Who the fuck cares. View on male will mostly about comedy if misrepresenting. but female character that is misrepresent are those character that create with intention of pleasing and pandering to male viewer. The purpose behind creating those character are different. |
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Seidou_Takizawa said: wrestling is just an example, I'm talking about the "idea" that it's promoting.@CherryLover If people can differentiate fiction from reality then why should the author be censored? He/she has the right to portray a character in a way he/she sees fitting the story. It's not harming anyone. @Zilf If you are talking about kids then that's the parents job to notarize their children and what they are watching. Other than that i don't see grown people (apart from some idiots) imitating it. Also calling people idiot for your own convenience isn't an argument. |
Zilf said: View on male will mostly about comedy if misrepresenting. but female character that is misrepresent are those character that create with intention of pleasing and pandering to male viewer. The purpose behind creating those character are different. Comedy? ROFL. Do you even yaoi? Hell, do you even shoujo? Both go out of their way to make the guys sexy objects because that's what girls like. There's an example in my av/sig. Owari No Seraph is a shounen series.....but it has more fanservice for GIRLS than for guys by a long shot. ALL the main male characters are drawn to be appealing to girls. They go shirtless a lot. They get beat up and still look hot. The anime even went out of its way to make scenes more "gay" than originally intended. Probably the most blatant of "male objectification" I've seen in a series targeted at males. |
ChiibiSep 15, 2016 6:40 PM
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Zilf said: Question is can that statement be trust. tbh i'm surprise by the fact that fapping to loli is consider normal in this community but fapping to male is gay. It contradicts the whole with the whole loli is not real argument, but well guess they only project an argument that sounds convenience to them without considering about the flaw of logic. But lolis are different from actual kids? Ofc if you like a male in anime, you probably already like males irl. |
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Zilf said: hoopla123 said: just because it's fiction doesn't mean it can do what ever it wants.you're being nitpicking and asking me to scan everyone's brain into data and show it to you, like what? Generally the portray of woman in anime are misrepresentation. the reason of those "misrepresentation" come from what all this moe stuff promoting. And you think men are represented properly? It's fiction. Who the fuck cares. View on male will mostly about comedy if misrepresenting. but female character that is misrepresent are those character that create with intention of pleasing and pandering to male viewer. The purpose behind creating those character are different. Lol what? Fiction can't do what it wants? Is moe breaking any laws or harming anyone? With your logic, 90% of western media and movies should be banned too. And comedic sense for males only? Do you know what Otome VNs and manservice shows like Free! are? How about Shoujo, fucking shows every man as some abusive ass mother fucker. The whole purpose of fictional works like anime/movies/shows is for entertainment. If you find it harmful, you should get thicker skin or just turn off your goddamn computer/TV. |
Zanzegan said: Male in anime also isn't real. if fapping to male in anime making you attract to male in real life then fapping to loli in anime should be the same.Zilf said: Question is can that statement be trusted. tbh i'm surprised by the fact that fapping to loli is consider normal in this community but fapping to male is gay. It contradicts the whole with the whole loli is not real argument, but well guess they only project an argument that sounds convenience to them without considering about the flaw of logic. But lolis are different from actual kids? Ofc if you like a male in anime, you probably already like males irl. |
Zilf said: Zanzegan said: Male in anime also isn't real. if fapping to male in anime making you attract to male in real life then fapping to loli in anime should be the same.But lolis are different from actual kids? Ofc if you like a male in anime, you probably already like males irl. I'm gonna have to say "no" to that......because they really don't ACT OR LOOK ANYTHING ALIKE. Now, I've never fapped to anything (I'm not into that) but the male characters male fans fap to are probably traps who look like girls. |
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Surely it would be problematic if your kid and/or S.O. had these views, no? Looking to fantasies for gratification gives males an inherent predilection for apathy for woman in general. Chiibi said: Why is misrepresentation bad? That's the WHOLE point of fiction/fantasies. See above. But it's like you're saying people aren't allowed to enjoy things that are objectifying? It's the same as saying they aren't allowed to enjoy porn. Porn also objectifies... His point is that if you gave K-ON a high rating, that means you support the very thing you claim to be against, "immature moeblob girls". So it doesn't make a lot of sense. Just maybe there was more to it than moeblob..? What series I like shouldn't have any relevance to this topic regardless. |
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@CherryLover - Inquiring into the validity of your comments is not derailing. If you're so ardently against moe girls, why do you deem one of the grand masters of moe, K-On, a masterpiece (and favorite at that)? Given that you pose the idea of men liking moe as immoral and a degradation against women, what high ground gives you exclusive rights to being allowed to like this? Zilf said: Actually men can indeed be attracted to exotic forms of anime guys such as traps and bishounen without being gay. It depends on what attracts you to them. If you're interested in their male appendage, you're gay. Just like screaming "Oh I love that prepubescent body!" would be a red flag for pedophilia. I'm not attracted to my signature (anyone who is should die), yet I have a wonderful repertoire of loli waifus I'd put a ring on in a heartbeat.Question is can that statement be trusted? tbh i'm surprised by the fact that fapping to loli is consider normal in this community but fapping to male is gay. It contradicts the whole with the whole loli is not real argument, but well guess they only project an argument that sounds convenience to them without considering about the flaw of logic. |
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hoopla123 said: Zilf said: just because it's fiction doesn't mean it can do what ever it wants. View on male will mostly about comedy if misrepresenting. but female character that is misrepresent are those character that create with intention of pleasing and pandering to male viewer. The purpose behind creating those character are different. Lol what? Fiction can't do what it wants? Is moe breaking any laws or harming anyone? With your logic, 90% of western media and movies should be banned too. And comedic sense for males only? Do you know what Otome VNs and manservice shows like Free! are? How about Shoujo, fucking shows every man as some abusive ass mother fucker. The whole purpose of fictional works like anime/movies/shows is for entertainment. If you find it harmful, you should get thicker skin or just turn off your goddamn computer/TV. We don't talk about law here, we're talking about the idea that its promoting. the idea of misrepresenting woman. And yeah just because we're in fiction doesn't mean you can outright objectifies woman in any you want. I said for mostly, yeah misrepresenting man in otome game exist but it doesn't cover in this topic. Just because something exist, doesn't mean you should do the same. But it's different topic here. Are you going to say the whole animal torture is for fun too and should be fine? That is just running away. |
hoopla123 said: Zilf said: just because it's fiction doesn't mean it can do what ever it wants. View on male will mostly about comedy if misrepresenting. but female character that is misrepresent are those character that create with intention of pleasing and pandering to male viewer. The purpose behind creating those character are different. Lol what? Fiction can't do what it wants? Is moe breaking any laws or harming anyone? With your logic, 90% of western media and movies should be banned too. And comedic sense for males only? Do you know what Otome VNs and manservice shows like Free! are? How about Shoujo, fucking shows every man as some abusive ass mother fucker. The whole purpose of fictional works like anime/movies/shows is for entertainment. If you find it harmful, you should get thicker skin or just turn off your goddamn computer/TV. Yet that said entertainment is making light of actual issues instead of providing us realistic portrayals across both genders. As a fan of the medium, I have a right to voice my opinion on what I think is wrong with it. Misrepresentation and objectification just so happen to be very important factors that will hinder my enjoyment. The "it's fiction" argument does not justify anything. |
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| The funny thing is that, after this whole bunch of generalizations and buzzwords taking the place of arguments, you aren't even close to explaining why. Why pleasing and pandering to male viewers is bad, why misrepresentation (the new word for characterization I guess) in fiction is bad, why should people stop liking the concept of moe, why is it so deeply rooted with «inherent sexist oppression», why it can't be detached from this stigma, why does it have the ability to influence reality in such a large scale form that we should all notice, why is it insulting to real women, why it changes males' views on females, and etc. And we haven't even got to the point that moe, actually, is a form of entertainment for virtually all audiences without a defined demographic. I get the point. But if you are trying to blame moe, an entire set of traits around a concept that is ridiculously wide, for something that is so specific and depends so much on the show or the individual, then it's plain futile. |
That's why you don't let children WATCH things until they can tell the difference between real and fake. That's why YOU TEACH them the proper way to think when they are young. Porn also objectifies... So porn is "bad"? From what I understand, teenage boys need it to satisfy their urges. Unless you'd rather them go rape a little girl instead? Just maybe there was more to it than moeblob..? Guess what? A lot of OTHER moe anime are like that too. he funny thing is that, after this whole bunch of generalizations and buzzwords taking the place of arguments, you aren't even close to explaining why. Why pleasing and pandering to male viewers is bad, why misrepresentation (the new word for characterization I guess) in fiction is bad, why should people stop liking the concept of moe, why is it so deeply rooted with «inherent sexist oppression», why it can't be detached from this stigma, why does it have the ability to influence reality in such a large scale form that we should all notice, why is it insulting to real women, why it changes males' views on females, and etc. THAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOU. Nobody from the "misogyny" side is coming up with anything legit. lol |
ChiibiSep 15, 2016 6:50 PM
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Seidou_Takizawa said: ofcourse fiction is fiction. the point is the idea and influence that it has on viewers.Zilf said: wrestling is just an example, I'm talking about the "idea" that it's promoting. Also calling people idiot for your own convenience isn't an argument. I didn't use it as a argument i used it as a joke. Should i had said brain dead instead or that also is a "no no" ^^ And i will not repeat myself, i already prove you that fiction is just that fiction, and as such, should not be blamed for the actions of some individuals that cant differentiate it from reality. Also what @hoopla123 said. If a deep and meaningful anime can effect your view on reality why can't misrepresenting woman idea affect view on reality? |
Zilf said: hoopla123 said: Lol what? Fiction can't do what it wants? Is moe breaking any laws or harming anyone? With your logic, 90% of western media and movies should be banned too. And comedic sense for males only? Do you know what Otome VNs and manservice shows like Free! are? How about Shoujo, fucking shows every man as some abusive ass mother fucker. The whole purpose of fictional works like anime/movies/shows is for entertainment. If you find it harmful, you should get thicker skin or just turn off your goddamn computer/TV. We don't talk about law here, we're talking about the idea that its promoting. the idea of misrepresenting woman. And yeah just because we're in fiction doesn't mean you can outright objectifies woman in any you want. I said for mostly, yeah misrepresenting man in otome game exist but it doesn't cover in this topic. Just because something exist, doesn't mean you should do the same. But it's different topic here. Are you going to say the whole animal torture is for fun too and should be fine? That is just running away. Then we should ban all FPS videogames because they promote violence. Man GTA? That's some brutal shit. You kill innocent civilians for bumping into you and can create mass shootings. Oh man what about those TV shows like Game of Thrones. Man objectifying all women as just sexual objects, too much titty time right? How about Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and the rest of them. Promoting crime by showing a criminal MC and obviously making it look like a good thing. And comparing fucking Moe to Animal Cruelty? Guess what. One is fiction and one is real (assuming you mean actual animal cruelty videos). If you can't differentiate between fiction and reality, you are the one with the problem, not the media itself. |
CherryLover said: hoopla123 said: Lol what? Fiction can't do what it wants? Is moe breaking any laws or harming anyone? With your logic, 90% of western media and movies should be banned too. And comedic sense for males only? Do you know what Otome VNs and manservice shows like Free! are? How about Shoujo, fucking shows every man as some abusive ass mother fucker. The whole purpose of fictional works like anime/movies/shows is for entertainment. If you find it harmful, you should get thicker skin or just turn off your goddamn computer/TV. Yet that said entertainment is making light of actual issues instead of providing us realistic portrayals across both genders. As a fan of the medium, I have a right to voice my opinion on what I think is wrong with it. Misrepresentation and objectification just so happen to be very important factors that will hinder my enjoyment. The "it's fiction" argument does not justify anything. Goddammit Cherry. If you roll that way, so can I. Your pic of wormslut triggers all victims of rape (men or women) and should be taken down before someone gets a seizure. |
hoopla123 said: Zilf said: We don't talk about law here, we're talking about the idea that its promoting. the idea of misrepresenting woman. And yeah just because we're in fiction doesn't mean you can outright objectifies woman in any you want. I said for mostly, yeah misrepresenting man in otome game exist but it doesn't cover in this topic. Just because something exist, doesn't mean you should do the same. But it's different topic here. Are you going to say the whole animal torture is for fun too and should be fine? That is just running away. Then we should ban all FPS videogames because they promote violence. Man GTA? That's some brutal shit. You kill innocent civilians for bumping into you and can create mass shootings. Oh man what about those TV shows like Game of Thrones. Man objectifying all women as just sexual objects, too much titty time right? How about Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and the rest of them. Promoting crime by showing a criminal MC and obviously making it look like a good thing. And comparing fucking Moe to Animal Cruelty? Guess what. One is fiction and one is real (assuming you mean actual animal cruelty videos). If you can't differentiate between fiction and reality, you are the one with the problem, not the media itself. GODDAMN THIS SHOULD BE A CRIME THE WAY YOU DESTROY YOUR OPPONENTS |
| ofcourse fiction is fiction. the point is the idea and influence that it has on viewers.[/quote] Again, I want proof that anime specifically influences people to be harmful IRL. If a deep and meaningful anime can effect your view on reality why can't misrepresenting woman idea affect view on reality? Because that's an entirely different creature altogether. A "deep and meaningful anime" is meant to give its viewer a positive message. A harem of moe girls is meant to satisfy a fantasy. It doesn't go "DO THIS TO REAL GIRLS AND YOU'LL BE THE BEST!!" |
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Chiibi said: That's why you don't let children WATCH things until they can tell the difference between real and fake. That's why YOU TEACH them the proper way to think when they are young. If you're teaching kids this, then surely they would have no need to cling to a fantasy to gratify their base urges? So porn is "bad"? From what I understand, teenage boys need it to satisfy their urges. Unless you'd rather them go rape a little girl instead? Of course it is bad. Porn isn't stopping any man from raping little girls, rather it is conditioning them to see women as sex objects. This is contrary to you belief of "teaching children". Guess what? A lot of moe anime are like that too. There plenty of examples, yes. But the vast majority paint a negative picture of women to society in general. |
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hoopla123 said: CherryLover said: Yet that said entertainment is making light of actual issues instead of providing us realistic portrayals across both genders. As a fan of the medium, I have a right to voice my opinion on what I think is wrong with it. Misrepresentation and objectification just so happen to be very important factors that will hinder my enjoyment. The "it's fiction" argument does not justify anything. Goddammit Cherry. If you roll that way, so can I. Your pic of wormslut triggers all victims of rape (men or women) and should be taken down before someone gets a seizure. Very funny. Insulting my favorite character to try and trigger me? I am not the one that posts vile rape pictures of her, it is you and your friends that have created the joke and it is quite disgusting. |
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CherryLover said: Chiibi said: That's why you don't let children WATCH things until they can tell the difference between real and fake. That's why YOU TEACH them the proper way to think when they are young. If you're teaching kids this, then surely they would have no need to cling to a fantasy to gratify their base urges? Honey. It's called "puberty"? XD You can teach them until you're hoarse; they're still going to need that release. Open a biology book! Of course it is bad. Porn isn't stopping any man from raping little girls, rather it is conditioning them to see women as sex objects. This is contrary to you belief of "teaching children". Uh I'm pretty sure porn was created to satisfy urges. There plenty of examples, yes. But the vast majority paint a negative picture of women to society in general. Really? Have you watched a "vast majority" of them? And what defines "negative picture" to you? |
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CherryLover said: hoopla123 said: Goddammit Cherry. If you roll that way, so can I. Your pic of wormslut triggers all victims of rape (men or women) and should be taken down before someone gets a seizure. Very funny. Insulting my favorite character to try and trigger me? I am not the one that posts vile rape pictures of her, it is you and your friends that have created the joke and it is quite disgusting. im not trying to trigger u. ur trigger everyone else pls fam im not even a fate fag PoeticJustice said: hoopla123 said: Then we should ban all FPS videogames because they promote violence. Man GTA? That's some brutal shit. You kill innocent civilians for bumping into you and can create mass shootings. Oh man what about those TV shows like Game of Thrones. Man objectifying all women as just sexual objects, too much titty time right? How about Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and the rest of them. Promoting crime by showing a criminal MC and obviously making it look like a good thing. And comparing fucking Moe to Animal Cruelty? Guess what. One is fiction and one is real (assuming you mean actual animal cruelty videos). If you can't differentiate between fiction and reality, you are the one with the problem, not the media itself. GODDAMN THIS SHOULD BE A CRIME THE WAY YOU DESTROY YOUR OPPONENTS Look at these poor kids influenced by moe only to become gangbangers  #banmoe |
hoopla123 said: Zilf said: We don't talk about law here, we're talking about the idea that its promoting. the idea of misrepresenting woman. And yeah just because we're in fiction doesn't mean you can outright objectifies woman in any you want. I said for mostly, yeah misrepresenting man in otome game exist but it doesn't cover in this topic. Just because something exist, doesn't mean you should do the same. But it's different topic here. Are you going to say the whole animal torture is for fun too and should be fine? That is just running away. Then we should ban all FPS videogames because they promote violence. Man GTA? That's some brutal shit. You kill innocent civilians for bumping into you and can create mass shootings. Oh man what about those TV shows like Game of Thrones. Man objectifying all women as just sexual objects, too much titty time right? How about Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and the rest of them. Promoting crime by showing a criminal MC and obviously making it look like a good thing. And comparing fucking Moe to Animal Cruelty? Guess what. One is fiction and one is real (assuming you mean actual animal cruelty videos). If you can't differentiate between fiction and reality, you are the one with the problem, not the media itself. what you're saying is like trying to minimize the problem without confronting it. it's like rather than trying to reduce and eliminate the raper, you're telling woman to stay in the house so the rape won't happen. we're not talking banning or anything here we're talking about the idea that it has, the issue it presenting. And oh, your logic is " is for entertainment." so based on that logic it's comparable. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. |
| If porn can't stop people from raping, then it can't condition them to do it either. What a way to use the «fantasy influences reality» argument in your own advantage. Fantasy influences reality but hey it's only true for one side. |
Zilf said: hoopla123 said: Then we should ban all FPS videogames because they promote violence. Man GTA? That's some brutal shit. You kill innocent civilians for bumping into you and can create mass shootings. Oh man what about those TV shows like Game of Thrones. Man objectifying all women as just sexual objects, too much titty time right? How about Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and the rest of them. Promoting crime by showing a criminal MC and obviously making it look like a good thing. And comparing fucking Moe to Animal Cruelty? Guess what. One is fiction and one is real (assuming you mean actual animal cruelty videos). If you can't differentiate between fiction and reality, you are the one with the problem, not the media itself. what you're saying is like trying to minimize the problem without confronting it. it's like rather than trying to reduce and eliminate the raper, you're telling woman to stay in the house so the rape won't happen. we're not talking banning or anything here we're talking about the idea that it has, the issue it presenting. And oh, your logic is " is for entertainment." so based on that logic it's comparable. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. One is fiction. One is reality. Learn to differentiate between the two first before you come into discussions like these. |
hoopla123 said: see this is slut shaming on Sakura character because she isn't a pure heroine like other.CherryLover said: Yet that said entertainment is making light of actual issues instead of providing us realistic portrayals across both genders. As a fan of the medium, I have a right to voice my opinion on what I think is wrong with it. Misrepresentation and objectification just so happen to be very important factors that will hinder my enjoyment. The "it's fiction" argument does not justify anything. Goddammit Cherry. If you roll that way, so can I. Your pic of wormslut triggers all victims of rape (men or women) and should be taken down before someone gets a seizure. |
hoopla123 said: That's what you will always say. but here the thing you're ignoringZilf said: what you're saying is like trying to minimize the problem without confronting it. it's like rather than trying to reduce and eliminate the raper, you're telling woman to stay in the house so the rape won't happen. we're not talking banning or anything here we're talking about the idea that it has, the issue it presenting. And oh, your logic is " is for entertainment." so based on that logic it's comparable. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. One is fiction. One is reality. Learn to differentiate between the two first before you come into discussions like these. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. |
Zilf said: hoopla123 said: That's what you will always say. but here the thing you're ignoringOne is fiction. One is reality. Learn to differentiate between the two first before you come into discussions like these. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. And like I said. With your logic, 99% of all forms of media should be banned or restricted. And if you agree with ^... That's all I have to say. And wait Zilf said: what you're saying is like trying to minimize the problem without confronting it. it's like rather than trying to reduce and eliminate the raper, you're telling woman to stay in the house so the rape won't happen. we're not talking banning or anything here we're talking about the idea that it has, the issue it presenting. And oh, your logic is " is for entertainment." so based on that logic it's comparable. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. That's it boys and girls. Moe officially promotes rape. Better stay inside at home doors closed cuz all the goddamn moe fags gonna come and rape ur ass. |
jal90 said: I like how you're always replying here and there even though you said you're done with this threadIf porn can't stop people from raping, then it can't condition them to do it either. What a way to use the «fantasy influences reality» argument in your own advantage. Fantasy influences reality but hey it's only true for one side. But i know your feeling, how can one ignore such a glorious thread? :P |
jal90 said: If porn can't stop people from raping, then it can't condition them to do it either. What a way to use the «fantasy influences reality» argument in your own advantage. Fantasy influences reality but hey it's only true for one side. It does condition them to doing it. There are plenty of studies in academia confirming this. Social institutions have done nothing but help normalize a rape culture. hoopla123 said: CherryLover said: Very funny. Insulting my favorite character to try and trigger me? I am not the one that posts vile rape pictures of her, it is you and your friends that have created the joke and it is quite disgusting. im not trying to trigger u. ur trigger everyone else pls fam im not even a fate fag Look at these poor kids influenced by moe only to become gangbangers #banmoe Obvious troll. |
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| What I find amusing is no matter how much people cry "MISOGYNIST!!" at anime, you don't live there so there's nothing you can f*cking do about this so-called "issue". Pointless and a waste of time to keep bitching, really. What possible good could this do? Japanese studios that make moe aren't gonna come on MAL, look at this topic and go "IKENAI!! MONDAI DA!! ANIME WO HAYAKU KAWARE!" |
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hoopla123 said: what you're doing is trying to change the topic and issue, assuming the conclusion and running away. why must it ban? and you think banning it will solve the idea of misrepresenting woman? No, it isn't about just censoring it and it will magically disappeared.And like I said. With your logic, 99% of all forms of media should be banned or restricted. And if you agree with ^... That's all I have to say. And wait Zilf said: what you're saying is like trying to minimize the problem without confronting it. it's like rather than trying to reduce and eliminate the raper, you're telling woman to stay in the house so the rape won't happen. we're not talking banning or anything here we're talking about the idea that it has, the issue it presenting. And oh, your logic is " is for entertainment." so based on that logic it's comparable. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. That's it boys and girls. Moe officially promotes rape. Better stay inside at home doors closed cuz all the goddamn moe fags gonna come and rape ur ass. I was using the rape statement as example but nice try. try building more, you might project something fun out of it. |
Chiibi said: What I find amusing is no matter how much people cry "MISOGYNIST!!" at anime, you don't live there so there's nothing you can f*cking do about this so-called "issue". Pointless and a waste of time to keep bitching, really. What possible good could this do? Japanese studios that make moe aren't gonna come on MAL and go "IKENAI!! MONDAI DA!! ANIME WO HAYAKU KAWARE!" So just silence the minority opinion because it won't "accomplish anything?" Who's censoring whom now? As a consumer of the medium, I will express my grievances with it. There's small wonder why anime is a niche here in the West: because many (and rightfully so) perceive the medium as cringy. Maybe less objectification could help make the industry bigger... But what I do I know? I'm just a feminazi on the Internet, right? |
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Zilf said: hoopla123 said: what you're doing is trying to change the topic and issue, assuming the conclusion and running away. why must it ban? and you think banning it will solve the idea of misrepresenting woman? No, it isn't about just censoring it and it disappeared.And like I said. With your logic, 99% of all forms of media should be banned or restricted. And if you agree with ^... That's all I have to say. And wait That's it boys and girls. Moe officially promotes rape. Better stay inside at home doors closed cuz all the goddamn moe fags gonna come and rape ur ass. I was using the rape statement as example but nice try. try building more, you might project something fun out of it. I make fun of it because the fact that you can't differentiate reality and fiction is a joke. And running away from the problem? More like your making a problem out of literally nothing. |
CherryLover said: Heh, i never though stating the truth is insulting ;^)hoopla123 said: Goddammit Cherry. If you roll that way, so can I. Your pic of wormslut triggers all victims of rape (men or women) and should be taken down before someone gets a seizure. Very funny. Insulting my favorite character to try and trigger me? I am not the one that posts vile rape pictures of her, it is you and your friends that have created the joke and it is quite disgusting. |
| @CherryLover Then show me. Plain and simple. I think this is what this thread has been lacking all this time. Actual data that can be verified. @Spooky_E ikr? This thread is too addictive. |
CherryLover said: Chiibi said: What I find amusing is no matter how much people cry "MISOGYNIST!!" at anime, you don't live there so there's nothing you can f*cking do about this so-called "issue". Pointless and a waste of time to keep bitching, really. What possible good could this do? Japanese studios that make moe aren't gonna come on MAL and go "IKENAI!! MONDAI DA!! ANIME WO HAYAKU KAWARE!" So just silence the minority opinion because it won't "accomplish anything?" Who's censoring whom now? As a consumer of the medium, I will express my grievances with it. There's small wonder why anime is a niche here in the West: because many (and rightfully so) perceive the medium as cringy. Maybe less objectification could help make the industry bigger... But what I do I know? I'm just a feminazi on the Internet, right? If you want to bitch, hey, all right, freedom of speech. But realistically, what do you honestly hope to accomplish here? Less objectification? That wouldn't happen unless you packed up, flew to Japan and picketed outside their studios. With like 9842938493258 other people. Even then, it still probably wouldn't do much. You are a gaijin and you don't buy the Japanese BDs. |
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hoopla123 said: how many do you want me to quote myselfZilf said: what you're doing is trying to change the topic and issue, assuming the conclusion and running away. why must it ban? and you think banning it will solve the idea of misrepresenting woman? No, it isn't about just censoring it and it disappeared. I was using the rape statement as example but nice try. try building more, you might project something fun out of it. I make fun of it because the fact that you can't differentiate reality and fiction is a joke. And running away from the problem? More like your making a problem out of literally nothing. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. Out of nothing? or are you saying you don't see the misrepresenting of woman in anime? sure, hugs your disgusting waifu and turn blind eyes to it, that's what you guys always do anyway. |
Zilf said: sure, hugs your disgusting waifu and turn blind eyes to it, that's what you guys always do anyway. Hey now, if you're gonna insult animu waifus, they are still women and that's very misogynistic, sir. D: |
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Zilf said: hoopla123 said: how many do you want me to quote myselfI make fun of it because the fact that you can't differentiate reality and fiction is a joke. And running away from the problem? More like your making a problem out of literally nothing. It really isn't about differentiate between fiction and reality but the idea, theme and whatever the fiction trying to present. Out of nothing? or are you saying you don't see the misrepresenting of woman in anime? sure, hugs your disgusting waifu and turn blind eyes to it, that's what you guys always do anyway. Every gender, race and fucking species is mispresented in all forms of media. You see anyone bitching about misrepresentation of men in anime/tv shows/video games/VNs/etc? No. What a waste of time. Talking to a wall is more productive than talking to a delusional sjw. |
| @jal90: http://www.vawnet.org/sexual-violence/print-document.php?doc_id=418&find_type=web_desc_AR Spooky_E said: CherryLover said: Heh, i never though stating the truth is insulting ;^)Very funny. Insulting my favorite character to try and trigger me? I am not the one that posts vile rape pictures of her, it is you and your friends that have created the joke and it is quite disgusting. It is insulting to make fun of a character who is a victim of rape and slut-shame her. Not only is it insulting, it is downright disgusting. |
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Zilf said: I find this comment extremely objectifying to men. Please apologize, I am a human being not your lamp post.sure, hugs your disgusting waifu and turn blind eyes to it, that's what you guys always do anyway. |
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CherryLover said: when you're whining about, you should have an idea of how you want it to accomplish, how you will accomplish, what your rant will accomplish.Chiibi said: What I find amusing is no matter how much people cry "MISOGYNIST!!" at anime, you don't live there so there's nothing you can f*cking do about this so-called "issue". Pointless and a waste of time to keep bitching, really. What possible good could this do? Japanese studios that make moe aren't gonna come on MAL and go "IKENAI!! MONDAI DA!! ANIME WO HAYAKU KAWARE!" So just silence the minority opinion because it won't "accomplish anything?" Who's censoring whom now? As a consumer of the medium, I will express my grievances with it. There's small wonder why anime is a niche here in the West: because many (and rightfully so) perceive the medium as cringy. Maybe less objectification could help make the industry bigger... But what I do I know? I'm just a feminazi on the Internet, right? srsly instead of just outright whining here and there, try thinking what you will get by shouting all this pointless and non exist problem. |
hoopla123 said: Zilf said: how many do you want me to quote myself Out of nothing? or are you saying you don't see the misrepresenting of woman in anime? sure, hugs your disgusting waifu and turn blind eyes to it, that's what you guys always do anyway. Every gender, race and fucking species is mispresented in all forms of media. You see anyone bitching about misrepresentation of men in anime/tv shows/video games/VNs/etc? No. What a waste of time. Talking to a wall is more productive than talking to a delusional sjw. How are men being misrepresented do you think? |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Zilf said: I find this comment extremely objectifying to men. Please apologize, I am a human being not your lamp post.sure, hugs your disgusting waifu and turn blind eyes to it, that's what you guys always do anyway. Ikr?! It is insulting to all those who identify as lamp posts too. Personally, I used to identify as one, now I'm just a worm. |
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Emnschweiz said: hoopla123 said: Every gender, race and fucking species is mispresented in all forms of media. You see anyone bitching about misrepresentation of men in anime/tv shows/video games/VNs/etc? No. What a waste of time. Talking to a wall is more productive than talking to a delusional sjw. How are men being misrepresented do you think? Read any popular shoujo manga and you'll see. Or just watch Free!. I have zero problems with any form of misrepresentation on media. But if someone cries about female representation and says that males aren't misrepresented, I'll prove the point. |
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