Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 19 Discussion

Buck_Wade said:


Lol, when has a loop in Re: Zero gone 100% smooth?

Buck_Wade said:

Is it because:
Maybe, just maybe, some people are looking for an excuse to criticize?

Buck_Wade said:
Okay, I'm confused in the case of Re: Zero haters, and as a result, frustrated. Many times I've completely disagreed with other opinions, but I understood WHERE those opinions come from:

I can understand WHY many find Beetlejuice scary even though I find him to come off as a pathetic Joker wannabe.

I can KINDA understand why the poster with the purple haired girl avatar thinks that Subaru's recovery was too fast in ep 18.

What I can't understand is, why are people:

Calling Re: Zero "torture porn" when only 3 episodes (7, 15, 17) had Subaru suffering like crazy with gore, and those very episodes gave new info on the plot and character(s). Is it because the fanbase won't shut up about it?

Saying that Subaru should've been used to seeing his friends die by know, even though ep 15 is the first time he actually has (arc 1, barely knew Emilia, Felt, and old man. Arc 2, felt conflicted about Rem because she had betrayed him) seen people he cared about die on a completely different level of brutality from the previous loops.

Saying that Subaru's "bipolar" or something when:
Ep 16: encounter with Beetlejuice from ep 15 enraged him to the point where he clearly couldn't think properly. Seriously. Don't talk to an enraged person with the face of a murderer, or trust them to act normally at the moment.
Ep 17: the short route at that point was the only way he KNEW to get to the mansion, which was why he still continued on even though Rem died. But from his movements, it's clear her death partially made him give up, which is why the moment he realized memories of Rem were gone for good, he went, "screw it", and, well, yeah.
Ep 18: after 3 loops of failing, he gets fed up, tired, sick of being useless, doesn't want to see his friends die anymore, etc. And so talking to Rem made him realize that he's actually a good person, albeit flawed, and that he's given up too soon. The ep ends with him gaining hope and to try again.
Ep 19: Uses his knowledge from the previous routes (like in arc 1 & 2) to try probably the hardest one: Convince the candidates to help defeat the whale.

Is it because:
The anime airs on a weekly basis, so a lot of us forget things from previous episodes?
Maybe, just maybe, some people are looking for an excuse to criticize?

simonli2575 said:

There're those who legitimately don't like the show.
There're also those who just shit on things for the sake of it.
Then there's bait.

Jagd84 said:


You run a fool's errand trying to understand them bruh. No matter what you say some prefer the version show in their heads to then one might be watching. Just let them hate, they ones wasting their time and lives.

SenpaiJay98 said:
Bait is the best so far IMO

Psyotic said:
It was mostly a build up episode. Still good none the less, but there doesn't seem to be a lot to discuss in depth the way I see it. It's basically hyping up its own battle which will go one of two ways (there are probably more, I know):

1. The battle lasts the entire episode, possibly spilling into episode 21. I'm just hoping they make it worth watching and not have it simply be a time killer.

2. A large middle chunk of the battle is cut out so we can get to the end and see the fall out of the battle and the events that occur because of the whale's death.

Of course this assumes that the there are only the whale and the host, however I wouldn't be too surprised if the Witch's Cult also becomes involved.

Kitsu-nee said:

Well I've never said it has to be 100%, as long as it somehow plays out :> Also, considering that Subaru and all of his friends are alive so far, none of the "final" returns ended up that terribly, at least up until now.

Ereganusu said:
Subaru x Ground Dragon confirmed.

Ourworld_Sin said:
Im just wondering where can I find the translated versions of each arc of the web novel as I just cant wait for the next episode...

Ereganusu said:
Subaru x Ground Dragon confirmed.

NitroKageAki said:


Ground Dragon is the show's hidden heroine!!! Go #Team Ground Dragon

TeamDalaiLana said:
I don't think there is one but there are summaries of the arcs.

-Gin-chan- said:
Wilhelm death flag??

benriya said:

did you mean,
Patrasche?

Heitokun said:


Nothing really THAT important, but if you wanna know...

Asakura_Ryoko said:
Anyone else get goosebumps when the ringtone was playing?

Azu942 said:
Soooo... This has already been argued to death, but I wanna share my thoughts here.

I believe Subaru has not recovered from his trauma after Rem's pep-talk. He's just decided to shunt all of his issues to the side for 'everyone else's sake.' He's still broken, and he likely will be for a very long time. I've not read the LN, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see semi-frequent breakdowns in the times to come. His newfound resolve is fragile and based on the fact that he's found someone who doesn't want him to screw off. To quote him, "Giving up isn't easy." He doesn't want to be a loser. He doesn't want to be a quitter. He doesn't want to run away. He just didn't see an outcome where he could get the happy ending he wanted, and was going to give up because he thought it was pointless to keep trying to help if no one really wanted him around to begin with.

Subaru still hates himself. He's going to doubt every bit of praise he receives for a very long time, and will not feel proud of his accomplishments. He will attribute everything he achieves to others, even when he acts egotistic on the outside. He likely doesn't believe anyone but Rem to truly be his friend (especially after Puck fucking KILLED HIM), and he likely pities her for believing in him when she's surely going to be disappointed.

He continues onward because he can't let go of his wish to become a hero. He hates the thought of giving up - of losing - more than anything else. While his pride has been beaten down, it still simmers hot. A big part of his suffering has been his refusal to rely on others; rather, it's been his refusal to let anyone else play the part of the hero. Even when he gave in and sought help from the other camps, it was, in his mind, a heroic acquiescence on his part. He was sacrificing his main role for the sake of others, and so became insanely frustrated when it was thrown back in his face. He's not satisfied with anything unless he feels that it was his doing, which is why this world where he's so powerless tortures him so much. He absolutely despises feeling useless and unappreciated.

Subaru is not going to feel anywhere near content with himself until he's obtained the power to save everyone by himself, and he's done it without 'cheating.' Having some great power dumped on him out of the blue would be the worst possible thing for his self-esteem right now, because he'd never be able to attribute a victory to himself again unless he didn't use it at all. Simultaneously, Subaru's a NEET. He has no idea how to work hard to become stronger, and he's so unwilling to screw up more than he already has that he's been refusing to even really try up until now. After all, the one time he tried to learn magic, he found out that he was utter crap at it.

After having his own powerlessness rubbed in his face so many times, seeing his friends killed so many times, being killed so many times - twice by someone he considered a close friend! -, and after being told to screw off so many times when he was trying to help, he's definitely not 'recovered.' He just can't accept a reality where he 'loses.' Even if Rem hadn't talked him out of it, Subaru would have ended up offing himself and coming back. There's almost definitely a festering resentment for everyone who has turned him aside in the last few episodes, and likely a very strong resentment for Emilia - though he will do his best to deny it. He's simply determined to prove them all wrong. They'll be his friends whether they like it or not kinda deal. The only person he likely believes supports him is Rem, and he takes her for granted. Though he cares for her very much right now as a result of her kindness and support, she 'doesn't count,' because she's not the one he wanted to impress.

Subaru being broken isn't anything new. He's been this way since episode one, on Earth. In the end, the only thing really keeping Subaru going is his own stubborn Pride.

mertsi said:

The dude is a huge death flag himself. Old age, m-muh dead waifu which I want to see and a chance to battle this humongous beast that could obliterate the whole army just by bellyflopping. It will be way more weird if he stays around after the whole impending fiasco.

leNerd said:
Okay episode i guess. The first half felt very slow in the bad way, but at least the latter half was more exciting with the build up to the whale appearance.
The brofist was great though.

But the thing about this episode that makes me think the most is....
when Subaru and Rem rode that Ground Dragon together....
and Subaru is riding so closely behind Rem.....
with the constant up and down hopping from the dragonsteps......

Who would not get a boner in that situation? And how would Rem not notice it with it poking that much in her back

Am i the only one who thinks about this stuff lol?

Buck_Wade said:
I'm very surprised to hear that you think that the pacing was slow, since most posts I've read here say they felt it was too fast. Me, on the other hand, felt it was balanced.

And I doubt Rem would care...

leNerd said:

Well for the first whole 10 minutes all that happened was basically Subaru convincing Crusch to fight the Whale. Thats pretty much all that happened. If you now keep in mind that the last episode was basically 20 minutes of Subaru and Rem screaming at each other then it really feels like nothing happened in ages

Slow pacing isnt necessarily bad, that last episode for example was good. It drove the characters further.
This episode however felt "stretched" because it didnt do much for either the characters or the story

But seriously, Subarus only wearing a training suit. Rem must have felt every inch ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


On the contrary. I think she cares alot hehe

Buck_Wade said:
I disagree about the last ep (not tryin to argue), since it'd take a LOT of time arguing to convince someone broken at that point to get back up and not give up.

Wait, are track suits, like, thin or something?

leNerd said:

Wait so you think it wasnt to slow, but even that it was too fast?

The one im wearing right now is

Jagd84 said:


You run a fool's errand trying to understand them bruh. No matter what you say some prefer the version show in their heads to then one might be watching. Just let them hate, they ones wasting their time and lives.

TheDeadApostle said:
Why are people complaining about his phone having battery power?

Can't phones be turned off?

L-Ryoshi said:


Maybe it's the fact that even old flip phones like that shouldn't be able to last for weeks on end even if turned off? Or perhaps it's because a phone that's turned off wouldn't be able to have an accurate time, specially since you have to reset the clock every time he has to turn it back on, which he has done several times now? They aren't exactly like smart phones that can sync to real world time with the push of a button you know, there's no internet in his new world.

There are plenty of things unrealistic about the phones mysterious ability to not draw on it's electricity source and still be able to have an "accurate" digital time-keeping mechanism, as well as the fact that batteries, regardless of whether you use them or not, still leak and run out of juice slowly over time, that's especially true for phones with batteries constantly plugged in, and I don't recall ever seeing Subaru ever taking out his phone battery for storage purposes either.

L-Ryoshi said:


Maybe it's the fact that even old flip phones like that shouldn't be able to last for weeks on end even if turned off? Or perhaps it's because a phone that's turned off wouldn't be able to have an accurate time, specially since you have to reset the clock every time he has to turn it back on, which he has done several times now? They aren't exactly like smart phones that can sync to real world time with the push of a button you know, there's no internet in his new world.

There are plenty of things unrealistic about the phones mysterious ability to not draw on it's electricity source and still be able to have an "accurate" digital time-keeping mechanism, as well as the fact that batteries, regardless of whether you use them or not, still leak and run out of juice slowly over time, that's especially true for phones with batteries constantly plugged in, and I don't recall ever seeing Subaru ever taking out his phone battery for storage purposes either.

TheDeadApostle said:


I dunno about that. Nowadays there are still flip phones in the market. Most are more modernized but from what I've seen in other anime(because I don't know much about Japanese phones otherwise),flip phones in Japan aren't too uncommon. So the phone itself might not even be such an old model.

Also who has to reset their phone's time each time they turn it off? I for one, don't and have never done that apart from once or twice when I left it alone for two months or so. Also the time didn't even need to be correct. All it had to do was match up with the previous loop's time.

It's been like what, 2 weeks since he arrived in the world? Not so long if it was turned off.

Superpieguy said:
For a little bit I figured the whale might not make its appearance xD That would have absolutely killed it for Subaru. Even if he could restart from there, that might have been the ultimate despair. He's already on edge as is. Or has been, really. Love this anime! Rem is just too adorable.

Superpieguy said:
For a little bit I figured the whale might not make its appearance xD That would have absolutely killed it for Subaru. Even if he could restart from there, that might have been the ultimate despair. He's already on edge as is. Or has been, really. Love this anime! Rem is just too adorable.

Rehls said:


Sorry if I missed something but why'd the phone have to be on for the time to match? It could be off, right? Anyway.

The time skip was a supposition. But there was really no evidence of it. It should be two weeks, still.

L-Ryoshi said:


Phones nowadays have a function that allows them to draw electricity from the battery to maintain the running of their internal clock. Think about things logically, even old analog clocks require a power source, no matter how small, there is no way your mobile phone would be able to maintain it's time-count mechanism without utilizing an energy source.

The fact that you can turn off the phone and turn it back on with the clock still running is simply because (a) the battery is still plugged into the phone and (b) the battery still has energy to supply to the phone.
A good way to experiment on this would be to shut off you phone's auto time sync, turn it off and take out the battery for an hour. You'll notice the difference immediately after you turn it back on in an hour. A second experiment would be to completely drain a phones battery to 0% so that it cannot even react to you pressing the power button (which means it still has a charge) and again leaving it out for an hour or two.

As for time matching up with the previous time loop, that would entail that he has had the phone on constantly and that the battery is slowly being used up, even if the phone is shut off. If his phone was a newer model as some have suggested, and not the old hardcore nokia-esque phones, then battery drainage would be even faster every time he turns it on, because of all the background functions that the phone is running.

As for the length of time he's been in the new world, If I recall from past posters, he's been in this world for at least a month or so (there was a time skip between the end of arc 2 and the beginning of arc 3), which makes the phone's inexplicable battery life all the more unbelievable.

Standby time refers to the amount of time a phone can remain powered on while not being used.