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| @Fai Fai said: He literally flashed back to his death in his mind when he saw the threatening attack. Its painfully clear that it was Ram who cut his throat. Rem displayed absolutely nothing like that attack and relied on the ball and chain instead. Well okay Ram cut the throat, that would mean that leg was cut using the weapon by Rem? Or Ram did that with wind magic cause that would make no sense. |
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PointyThingy said: ....No,it is what Rem and Ram thinks in last 2 loops =_=... I wont talk about the rest more...If you dont even believe your own words and what clearly happened in this episode i give up on talking about that situation more...LoneWizard said: she hated the guy who works for the Witch cult and killed her sister Never said I can't see what the author wanted Subaru to do, but that part... is it spoiler? |
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sirflimflam said: Mickdrew said: - Subaru always seemed to take restarting the same days and people forgetting him in stride and never really cared that everyone's tsun to him. Suddenly at the beginning he breaks down in tears over how no one remembers him. I guess this relates back to my tone issue; this was all played up for laughs until now. - Subaru has been killed numerous times, and once again he always seemed to take it in stride. Suddenly in this episode he's got PTSD and has traumatic nightmares. I think this can easily be explained by everyone having their breaking point. I think if I were in the same situation and got locked in a loop, I would take it in stride as "that's just how this happens, just gotta do it all over again" -- but after that happens a few times, the wave of futility hits and suddenly the realization that you hold all these feelings for these people and they have no idea how or why would eventually make me crack. Especially with the emotional feeling behind the scenes where he starts breaking down. Subaru's breakdown definitely wasn't sudden. They were a whole bunch of visual cues and dialogue throughout ep 5 and ep 6 that showed he was under strain. He's reaction after the 4th loop was only natural because his breaking point had been hit after what happened in the 3rd loop. Until the end of this episode he could not see way of this mess which where he got some of his resolve back. |
Mickdrew said: There are still a few issues I have with this show. - The tonal fluctuations can be pretty jarring. It seems to alternate between comedic "Imma chuuni" mode, to shonen "I gotta do something" mode, and then suddenly it becomes a trauma and gorefest. Maybe I'm still adjusting. - Subaru always seemed to take restarting the same days and people forgetting him in stride and never really cared that everyone's tsun to him. Suddenly at the beginning he breaks down in tears over how no one remembers him. I guess this relates back to my tone issue; this was all played up for laughs until now. - Subaru has been killed numerous times, and once again he always seemed to take it in stride. Suddenly in this episode he's got PTSD and has traumatic nightmares. Still, this is definitely the strongest episode so far imo. In the same way that Kabaneri won me over with its 3rd episode, RE Zero won me over with this one. 4/5 -the point of subarus character acting all cheery funny and stuff like that is so that the author can slowly destroy him and thus leave a bigger impact on the viewers (or meybe he is just a sadist who wants to see all the fans of anime such as NGNL,SAO etc suffer) -Subaru was always afraid but he was trying to act brave so the others dont notice that something is wrong with him but this time it was too much |
kamisama751 said: Gosh, I think I should just move my attention to this discussion thread instead. xD Please no! Go back to the Kabaneri discussion. You have more to discuss with them. This is just a boring thread. Don't bother as it will bore you to death. :D |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
kamisama751 said: Sometimes791 said: Please no! Go back to the Kabaneri discussion. You have more to discuss with them. This is just a boring thread. Don't bother as it will bore you to death. :D But... but it has 200 more comments so it must be more entertaining. :D But we need you in the Kabaneri threads |
kamisama751 said: Sometimes791 said: Please no! Go back to the Kabaneri discussion. You have more to discuss with them. This is just a boring thread. Don't bother as it will bore you to death. :D But... but it has 200 more comments so it must be more entertaining. :D Actually, there is as much SCIENCE!!! involved in this as it is in Kabaneri. |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
| @kamisama751 Oh god xD Well at least I now know how to take your comments now. The thing is this is not anime original so we will most likely have an answer to anything you throw at us while Kabaneri is defenseless. So Kabaneri should be more entertaining. Besides this will probably be quiet for 3 weeks without any discussion due to a tennis event :D |
beast_regards said: PointyThingy said: By the way, it's a contradiction in itself to suggest that Subaru gets attached to people fast because he is a neet, since neet, especially in Japan, are socially withdrawn people who had trouble socializing and therefore become recluse, I thought by now it should be fairly obvious that Subaru does not fit the neet even in definition, and that's why he was written to be so contradictory. A socially awkward teenage boy yet at the same time is a savant in developing relationships, he is basically a personality-fluid character the author can fit into any scenario. Those who complain didn't do so because they didn't understand, but because it is unrealistic. Yes, I can still suspend my belief to enjoy the show, but I also am not wrong to point it out. He more importantly perceives the whole situation as the Visual Novel where he tries to get a completionist play-through which involves getting all the girls. This is actually the reason for the majority of stupid and fairly unnecessary scenes he makes, because he feels that VN protagonist should make them. He gets painfully reminded it isn't the game each time he gets killed, but he didn't let this to stick to him as he is completely obsesses with getting all the girls. This episode is actually the first time he got confronted with the fact that girls he tries to get will kill him for the very same power he (ab)uses to get close to them. And he decides he will be ignorant again because blessed be the ignorant ones. Look man he's not trying to woo them, he believe they aren't inherently bad people when they went comfort him despite having the witch's scent spilling all over the place. It should have be obvious anyone actually paying attention. If maids still attempt to kill him in the next loop for the same reasons even when tries his best to turn things around then yes he's fool, but they don't then he was correct about them after interacting for 4 weeks. Then ignorant ones are the naysayers who couldn't past their own bias. |
Hmm not really, it just requires a bit patience until it makes sense to you, best example Subaru's decision this episode. So picking on nearly any supposedly SCIENCE will end up being for naught :P |
Fappa said: @kamisama751 Oh god xD Well at least I now know how to take your comments now. The thing is this is not anime original so we will most likely have an answer to anything you throw at us while Kabaneri is defenseless. So Kabaneri should be more entertaining. Besides this will probably be quiet for 3 weeks without any discussion due to a tennis event :D We should open a new thread for kamisama unless we want a thread full of spoiler tags, if the argumentation war begins. kamisama751 said: I am here because the Kabaneri thread is slicent as f*ck right now. xD Why did Darklight block you? :( He could've kept you from boredom. |
Bernkishi07May 16, 2016 12:08 PM
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jagd84 said: sirflimflam said: I think this can easily be explained by everyone having their breaking point. I think if I were in the same situation and got locked in a loop, I would take it in stride as "that's just how this happens, just gotta do it all over again" -- but after that happens a few times, the wave of futility hits and suddenly the realization that you hold all these feelings for these people and they have no idea how or why would eventually make me crack. Especially with the emotional feeling behind the scenes where he starts breaking down. Subaru's breakdown definitely wasn't sudden. They were a whole bunch of visual cues and dialogue throughout ep 5 and ep 6 that showed he was under strain. He's reaction after the 4th loop was only natural because his breaking point had been hit after what happened in the 3rd loop. Until the end of this episode he could not see way of this mess which where he got some of his resolve back. We literally saw him multiple times both in the previous episode and episode before that trying to keep himself in check and not fall apart from experiences. Beatriceoutright states that a the start of previous ep - he is afraid and masking his fear via silly behavior. Hell he does this in this episode too - creating a comedic scene just before he jumps to his death. Hell we saw him do that when he encountered Elsa on the street - its his defense mechanism. Its no different from Okabe's chuuni behavior in S;G. |
AhenshihaelMay 16, 2016 12:08 PM
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kamisama751 said: The biggest problem of this show till now is the light-hearted-ness Subaru shows us. It is out of place and ruins every serious situation. ugh looks like i will have to say it again -the point of subarus character acting all cheery funny and stuff like that is so that the author can slowly destroy him and thus leave a bigger impact on the viewers (or maybe he is just a sadist who wants to see all the fans of anime such as NGNL,SAO etc suffer) there are also other things but i wont spoil |
kamisama751 said: The biggest problem of this show till now is the light-hearted-ness Subaru shows us. It is out of place and ruins every serious situation. His light-heartedness is entirely forced, though. It's like a defense mechanism he's crafted for himself to avoid falling into despair and also to avoid worrying those around him. There are situations where he's genuinely happy though, but even in the darkest of times we can put away our troubles and smile once in a while. |
kamisama751 said: Yeah, it is science after all. xD* Only to add the proper gravitas the moment, SCIENCE!!! needs to be shouted and/or written in capital letters with at least 3 exclamation marks. |
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kamisama751 said: The biggest problem of this show till now is the light-hearted-ness Subaru shows us. It is out of place and ruins every serious situation. That makes no sense. Any kind of personality can function in any setting. It's not mutually exclusive. It has no practical effect on a story only the preference of a reader. |
| Poor Subaru, I can feel his despair. Glad he confess to everyone though.... But that didn't work.... damn.... |
#CHEXIT |
Fai said: Jagd84 said: Subaru's breakdown definitely wasn't sudden. They were a whole bunch of visual cues and dialogue throughout ep 5 and ep 6 that showed he was under strain. He's reaction after the 4th loop was only natural because his breaking point had been hit after what happened in the 3rd loop. Until the end of this episode he could not see way of this mess which where he got some of his resolve back. We literally saw him multiple times both in the previous episode and episode before that trying to keep himself in check and not fall apart from experiences. Beatriceoutright states that a the start of previous ep - he is afraid and masking his fear via silly behavior. Hell he does this in this episode too - creating a comedic scene just before he jumps to his death. Hell we saw him do that when he encountered Elsa on the street - its his defense mechanism. Its no different from Okabe's chuuni behavior in S;G. People missing the obvious nuances within characters seem to be a norm on MAL unfortunately. =/ |
kamisama751 said: juicykitten95 said: ugh looks like i will have to say it again -the point of subarus character acting all cheery funny and stuff like that is so that the author can slowly destroy him and thus leave a bigger impact on the viewers (or maybe he is just a sadist who wants to see all the fans of anime such as NGNL,SAO etc suffer) there are also other things but i wont spoil Oh sorry I haven't read all those ~700 posts in this thread (yet). xD But it still won't change what I have said. The writer can cast that in more relaxing situations instead and his intention will be succeed without negative effects. This is the point of Subaru. He doesn't completely realize, in what a grave situation he is, thus he stands out in this world. Furthermore, his behavior is for his own best and to keep his sanity in check. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
kamisama751 said: Oh sorry I haven't read all those ~700 posts in this thread (yet). xD But it still won't change what I have said. The writer can cast that in more relaxing situations instead and his intention will be succeed without negative effects. y i know that the seriousness was ruined when subaru was acting goofy at the end of ep 7 but in return it helped us understand how could Subaru deal with a situation like that.Jumping of a cliff is not easy especially with a tense mind. But like every LN reader will say things will get darker so calm your inner sadist till then |
kamisama751 said: They can do it with showing him saying all that with self confidence, problem solved. Woah, come at me bros. y they can but then it would not be subaru,it would be some other character brave acting is one of the subarus characteristics and for the sake of the plot its a good trait.What i want to say is that him acting like this is for the sake of the events that are yet to come. A serious scene was "ruined" for the sake of a future serious scene having a much bigger impact.Its a trade off i guess. Is it a good trade off? i dont know maybe it would be better like you said (manga did it more like you wanted since there was no happy ost in the end bc its manga XD) , it all depends on how the studio is going to handle the next arc. in the end it all comes down to taste and personal opinion on the story value |
Pazuzu95May 16, 2016 12:45 PM
Xion69 said: Social outcasts in real life defending Social outcast in the anime. Calling people troll for having Different opinions. Different opinions can't exist in this board. Because This is Attack of the weeaboos / otaku ... Having an opinion and ignoring obvious facts the series delivers are different things. The later one describes you. Ignorant fool. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Whoahoho said: So if Rem died from a curse, then where did that curse came from in the 1st place? will be explained by beatrice in loop 5. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
kamisama751 said: You know that they can "fix" this problem even before they release anything of it? Just don't do this from the beginning on and there won't be this problem. juicykitten95 said: brave acting is one of the subarus characteristics and for the sake of the plot its a good trait.What i want to say is that him acting like this is for the sake of the events that are yet to come. A serious scene was "ruined" for the sake of a future serious scene having a much bigger impact.Its a trade off i guess. Is it a good trade off? i dont know maybe it would be better like you said (manga did it more like you wanted since there was no happy ost in the end bc its manga XD) , it all depends on how the studio is going to handle the next arc. Brave acting doesn't means acting funny in the middle of those scenes by the way. I have also no idea what trade off you mean since there is nothing "victimized" for the future. It is simply ruined. What if I tell you that standards exist? You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| @kamisama751 so you think this story would be better if subaru was not acting funny at all,or at least not overdo it ? By trade off i mean that i think it has more impact to mentally brake a character that was able to act goofy even in a situation like having to jump of a cliff rather then a normal person. |
Sometimes791 said: You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. It may be because I watched all of Gintama (where they do things like managing to insert vagina joke into a completely serious scene in a perfect manner), but I don't see the issue with a little bit of goofiness. A little pause from grimdark things being grimdark is always welcome, even more if the character you're rooting for finds a new resolution in that moment. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
juicykitten95 said: @kamisama751 so you think this story would be better if subaru was not acting funny at all,or at least not overdo it ? By trade off i mean that i think it has more impact to mentally brake a character that was able to act goofy even in a situation like having to jump of a cliff rather then a normal person. Exactly. If he was someone serious from the beginning, the psychological effect wouldn't work so well. It's the same reason why Okabe is a great MC for a series like S;G. |
Sometimes791 said: You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. y the comedy destroyed the atmosphere in the end of ep 7. But the question is how long will the comedy be able to keep existing |
juicykitten95 said: Sometimes791 said: You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. y the comedy destroyed the atmosphere in the end of ep 7. But the question is how long will the comedy be able to keep existing We will start missing the comedy very soon... |
Vinyet said: juicykitten95 said: y the comedy destroyed the atmosphere in the end of ep 7. But the question is how long will the comedy be able to keep existing We will start missing the comedy very soon... To be honest, I hate comedy in this season. It's so damn poorly executed and I welcome any drama anime with open arms. Especially, if it's out of place like at the cliff. juicykitten95 said: Sometimes791 said: You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. y the comedy destroyed the atmosphere in the end of ep 7. But the question is how long will the comedy be able to keep existing I'm waiting. :D Aurioch said: Sometimes791 said: You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. It may be because I watched all of Gintama (where they do things like managing to insert vagina joke into a completely serious scene in a perfect manner), but I don't see the issue with a little bit of goofiness. A little pause from grimdark things being grimdark is always welcome, even more if the character you're rooting for finds a new resolution in that moment. I've watched ~240 episodes of Gintama and love its transitions. The problem is where you include it. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Sometimes791 said: To be honest, I hate comedy in this season. It's so damn poorly executed and I welcome any drama anime with open arms. Especially, if it's out of place like at the cliff. I see you crave for EDGY stuff like me.The next arc of this anime is where the sales for LN dropped bc people could not handle the drama. |
| @_Yato_God Did you miss my comment? :-) Yes, it was Ram who cut his leg. And it was also her who killed him in loop 2. Whoahoho said: Most likely the source of the curse was in the village. But it's hard to tell (now) what was it.So if Rem died from a curse, then where did that curse came from in the 1st place? I thought it was the bite from the dog, but I'm not so sure anymore. |
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mozgow said: Yes, it was Ram who cut his leg. And it was also her who killed him in loop 2. And he was also killed by her in loop 3. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| One other thing I did not read anyone mentioning. Beatrice is confirmed to be a spirit (unless there are other beings that can make contracts just like spirits). |
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mozgow said: One other thing I did not read anyone mentioning. Beatrice is confirmed to be a spirit (unless there are other beings that can make contracts just like spirits). I mean, maybe. She does call Puck her brother. But at the same time I don't think it's confirmed that you have to be a spirit to make a magical contract. |
kamisama751 said: juicykitten95 said: @kamisama751 so you think this story would be better if subaru was not acting funny at all,or at least not overdo it ? By trade off i mean that i think it has more impact to mentally brake a character that was able to act goofy even in a situation like having to jump of a cliff rather then a normal person. What I want to say is doing comedy is okay, but not at those moments. Tastes and preferences it is then |
mozgow said: One other thing I did not read anyone mentioning. Beatrice is confirmed to be a spirit (unless there are other beings that can make contracts just like spirits). This was known in ep4. "You... aren't human... and I don't mean just your personality..." "Took you long enough to notice, I suppose" |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
kamisama751 said: juicykitten95 said: @kamisama751 so you think this story would be better if subaru was not acting funny at all,or at least not overdo it ? By trade off i mean that i think it has more impact to mentally brake a character that was able to act goofy even in a situation like having to jump of a cliff rather then a normal person. What I want to say is doing comedy is okay, but not at those moments. Any other complaints? If not, then the series has done a pretty good job so far. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
y i heard you it did ruin the moment at the end of ep 7 but just imagine how bad the situation can get if the comedy stops the comedy that was able to exist even at those moments stops,just imagine the impact it will have (and by that i mean fingers crossed that white fox handles it well) |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: Currently we know that only spirits can form magical contracts. We do not know if there are any other beings that can do such things (that's why I added "unless..." :-)).mozgow said: One other thing I did not read anyone mentioning. Beatrice is confirmed to be a spirit (unless there are other beings that can make contracts just like spirits). I mean, maybe. She does call Puck her brother. But at the same time I don't think it's confirmed that you have to be a spirit to make a magical contract. Aurioch said: Well, I posted this in episode 4 discussion thread :-)mozgow said: One other thing I did not read anyone mentioning. Beatrice is confirmed to be a spirit (unless there are other beings that can make contracts just like spirits). This was known in ep4. "You... aren't human... and I don't mean just your personality..." "Took you long enough to notice, I suppose" It wasn't confirmed but was heavily implied that she is a spirit. This episode IMO confirmed that. |
mozgowMay 16, 2016 1:42 PM
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Aurioch said: Sometimes791 said: You probably wrote out my only complaint, that I have with this series so far. The "comedy" destroys the atmosphere a bit. It may be because I watched all of Gintama (where they do things like managing to insert vagina joke into a completely serious scene in a perfect manner), but I don't see the issue with a little bit of goofiness. A little pause from grimdark things being grimdark is always welcome, even more if the character you're rooting for finds a new resolution in that moment. especially when during those ''comedy moments'' we see more of the Characters and even get some character development. Tell me, everyone, would this episode be as good without getting to know the characters a little and the development we got in the last 3 episodes? |
kamisama751 said: No, because I got so bored at watching it that I allmost felt asleep. I knew that this would be your impression of the episode. You're pretty predictable. :D |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
kamisama751 said: Show Subaru saying all that with self confident instead gives him much more development in subtlety. How can he, How can anyone be confindent in his situation? |
mozgow said: It wasn't confirmed but was heavily implied that she is a spirit. This episode IMO confirmed that. and she should be quite a strong spirit if she can mantain a material form everytime, where instead puck has to rest and can't be material all the time --- about this comedy talk, personally i like it when there is some comedy mixed with drama, it makes for a nice bittersweet flavour i had a chuckle at both the silly answers of subaru while getting questioned by rem, he using the phone flash, and the squishy sound when he reached the end of the cliff, and those little things made all the other more dark parts more enjoyable (and/or more bearable in some cases) |
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